jsearles and Chinamaniac debate about the value of his WSOP pieces

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

You do realize that if your claim is the statement is ambiguous than that cuts both ways right? Even if you're right that there are multiple interpretations, you're wrong in that Vegas would owe you money for the very same reason...

The absolute best you could ever hope for is the best is cancelled, you would never be entitled money

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Don't put words in my mouth. I never said the offer was ambiguous. I think the offer made was very clear and concise:

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Originally Posted by Vegas1369

How about I find, lets say 15 posts, where you have used those two words incorrectly?

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Your own words will hang you:

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The first level headed person to weigh in acknowledges that the bet can be interpreted multiple ways. Although he ultimately sides with Vegas, he attempts to mitigate the loss amount by acknowledging that the bet was not clear and concise per both parties. ***Also known as ambiguous***

The fact of the matter is that I accepted the bet on the premise that both words would be used in the same post as this is precisely what was offered. Steve-O acknowledges that this is a legit interpretation.

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Your arguement is that the bet has multiple interpretations. My friendly advice is to stop digging and figure out a way to make this right

Also, you should probably realize that I'm the closest to your version of facts in this thread (which isn't all that close but is still better than anyone else is giving you) coming at me as your main instigator is probably the worst decision you could make

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZtd2FwEhX0
1:00 mark, listen to Ivey.

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said the offer was ambiguous. I think the offer made was very clear and concise:

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Originally Posted by Vegas1369

How about I find, lets say 15 posts, where you have used those two words incorrectly?

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Your own words will hang you:

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The first level headed person to weigh in acknowledges that the bet can be interpreted multiple ways. Although he ultimately sides with Vegas, he attempts to mitigate the loss amount by acknowledging that the bet was not clear and concise per both parties. ***Also known as ambiguous***

The fact of the matter is that I accepted the bet on the premise that both words would be used in the same post as this is precisely what was offered. Steve-O acknowledges that this is a legit interpretation.

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Your arguement is that the bet has multiple interpretations. My friendly advice is to stop digging and figure out a way to make this right

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You have continually argued the bet was ambiguous, I have repeatedly said that I feel the bet was clear and concise. I said I accepted the bet "precisely" as it was offered. If you are getting ambiguous out of my mouth then you are just wanting to believe the web you have wove. I simply acknowledged your opinion, I didn't marry myself to it.

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said the offer was ambiguous. I think the offer made was very clear and concise:

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Your own words will hang you:

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The first level headed person to weigh in acknowledges that the bet can be interpreted multiple ways. Although he ultimately sides with Vegas, he attempts to mitigate the loss amount by acknowledging that the bet was not clear and concise per both parties. ***Also known as ambiguous***

The fact of the matter is that I accepted the bet on the premise that both words would be used in the same post as this is precisely what was offered. Steve-O acknowledges that this is a legit interpretation.

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Your arguement is that the bet has multiple interpretations. My friendly advice is to stop digging and figure out a way to make this right

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You have continually argued the bet was ambiguous, I have repeatedly said that I feel the bet was clear and concise. I said I accepted the bet "precisely" as it was offered. If you are getting ambiguous out of my mouth then you are just wanting to believe the web you have wove. I simply acknowledged your opinion, I didn't marry myself to it.

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Wow, change your avatar to a washing machine you're doing so much spinning. I officially wash my hands of this and will no longer offer you the best potential outcome and advice you have gotten so far...

From your own mouth

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Steve-O acknowledges that this is a legit interpretation

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Meaning there is another interpretation!The REAL one

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

Your own words will hang you:

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The first level headed person to weigh in acknowledges that the bet can be interpreted multiple ways. Although he ultimately sides with Vegas, he attempts to mitigate the loss amount by acknowledging that the bet was not clear and concise per both parties. ***Also known as ambiguous***

The fact of the matter is that I accepted the bet on the premise that both words would be used in the same post as this is precisely what was offered. Steve-O acknowledges that this is a legit interpretation.

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Your arguement is that the bet has multiple interpretations. My friendly advice is to stop digging and figure out a way to make this right

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You have continually argued the bet was ambiguous, I have repeatedly said that I feel the bet was clear and concise. I said I accepted the bet "precisely" as it was offered. If you are getting ambiguous out of my mouth then you are just wanting to believe the web you have wove. I simply acknowledged your opinion, I didn't marry myself to it.

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Wow, change your avatar to a washing machine you're doing so much spinning. I officially wash my hands of this and will no longer offer you the best potential outcome and advice you have gotten so far...

From your own mouth

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Steve-O acknowledges that this is a legit interpretation

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Meaning there is another interpretation!The REAL one

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guess they didnt offer intro to logic 101 @ Missouri Western State University

im really not sure what searles deal is with betting people, it looks like he's chalking up quite a negative reputation. You have this fiasco then the china fiasco and before augusta people were talking about how many majors rory would get in his career, I clearly stated under 5 life time and he fires at me if I want rory +2 on the season.

If I have Rory pegged at U5 lifetime why in the fuck would I bet +2 on the season lmao, I'm positive other people have experienced some stupidity from this guy but it appears like the kid is betting illiterate.

Wait.... so you didn't realize that you were the mark in lewfather's don't knock the hustle post? Seriously?

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Originally Posted by RealTalk

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by lewfather

you see a mark you take him down, do you tell the fish at your table he shouldnt be playing ace rag like that?

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Finally someone's sides with me. I saw Vegas slip up and I pounced. Don't playa hate, congratulate.

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Originally Posted by lewfather

[ ] siding with jsearles

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just so you can piece this together you fucking mongoloid...

yeah your interpretation of things is pretty rock solid...

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shout out to realtalk, this got glossed over but he picked up on it right away.

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Originally Posted by Jasep

Wait.... so you didn't realize that you were the mark in lewfather's don't knock the hustle post? Seriously?

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The "druff better then china" tag is gold.

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Originally Posted by Jasep

Wait.... so you didn't realize that you were the mark in lewfather's don't knock the hustle post? Seriously?

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Nope, I actuallly thought that my arch nemesis Lewfather had all of a sudden come to my rescue like a knight in shining armour. Jesus Christ, are you guys seriously that foolish?

are you still confusing me with hockey guy? only because of your retardation did I have to spank that ass, n-word. Move along, zero fucks are given about you.

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Originally Posted by lewfather

are you still confusing me with hockey guy? only because of your retardation did I have to spank that ass, n-word. Move along, zero fucks are given about you.

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Nope, you are now my arch nemesis. I forgot all about Hockey Guy as he is seemingly napping it out like the douchebag that he is. You however are still an epic failure of a poster. The only thing you have done right recently is getting the 4s.

And Im not sure why you felt compelled to put ass, n-word, and fuck in the same post so close together. It seems to me that you have some affinity with those three things together simultaneously?

I'm pretty sure hockeyguy is in Ireland visiting, atleast thats the last thing I remember him saying on the boards myself.

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Originally Posted by lewfather

I'm pretty sure hockeyguy is in Ireland visiting, atleast thats the last thing I remember him saying on the boards myself.

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You are right, I do remember that now. What a lucky fucking douchebag he is

Slow day at work ?

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Originally Posted by lewfather

Slow day at work ?

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Still a raging douche that can only resort to my facebook profile I see?
Are you jealous that I got a job that requires a college degree considering you having seemingly failed at everything in life?

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by lewfather

Slow day at work ?

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Still a raging douche that can only resort to my facebook profile I see?
Are you jealous that I got a job that requires a college degree considering you having seemingly failed at everything in life?

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You're a scammer, your information needs to be outed so that we can get vegas his money in a timely fashion. The community and these boards need to be aware of your scamming actions. So yes, we are going to take all necessary avenues to get Vegas paid in full to his settled upon amount of $450 dollars. We can put you on a payment schedule if need be.

Isn't your job involving rent-a-cop security people?

LOL @ acting like that job requires a college degree, a friend of mine was offered a job with them and he is borderline retarded. On top of that, what kind of college offers English classes that you can graduate from when you don't understand basic rules; like the difference between "then" and "than"?

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Originally Posted by Serial Fail

LOL @ acting like that job requires a college degree, a friend of mine was offered a job with them and he is borderline retarded.

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keep the hits coming

lewfather, you are out of line here by posting at least three instances of jsearles22's personal info. If you want Vegas to be able to track him down for whatever reason, a PM to him would have worked just fine. This type of shit was SPECIFICALLY mentioned by Druff as the type of bullshit he doesn't want posted here.

From Druff's "Rules of this Forum" thread: "4) Personal information. Don't post phone numbers, addresses, or workplace information. Also don't post anyone's full name or picture if they haven't made it public. Definitely do not post any information about anyone's family members, including pictures, names, or anything else about them."

I'm all for taking scammers to task, but this vigilante public shit is not cool, imo.

People, please do NOT post any family info of any member here. Even if they turn out to be a scammer, please don't get their family members involved.

Regarding personal info of scammers, this is the first we've had to deal with this here, so I will set some ground rules.

I agree that if someone is concluded to be a scammer, their personal info should not be private here.

However, since anyone can designate anyone else a "scammer", there needs to be some standards we apply to that designation.

I haven't had time to read this 12-page thread yet. Therefore, I have not yet determined who is and isn't a scammer. Please do not post anyone's personal info in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by Sandwich

lewfather, you are out of line here by posting at least three instances of jsearles22's personal info. If you want Vegas to be able to track him down for whatever reason, a PM to him would have worked just fine. This type of shit was SPECIFICALLY mentioned by Druff as the type of bullshit he doesn't want posted here.

From Druff's "Rules of this Forum" thread: "4) Personal information. Don't post phone numbers, addresses, or workplace information. Also don't post anyone's full name or picture if they haven't made it public. Definitely do not post any information about anyone's family members, including pictures, names, or anything else about them."

I'm all for taking scammers to task, but this vigilante public shit is not cool, imo.

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How do you know that I haven't already PM'd him? When you're dealing with a scammer you have to take every possible avenue to get paid, druff already let 408mike slide when he welched with vegas, then we have another welch with jsearles? I'm sorry but this is POKERFRAUDALERT, were suppose to be alerting the community of scammers and find ways to get each other paid. I've also messaged Druff about moving this thread to the scam section til we can get it all sorted out.

Thanks for your input though

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Originally Posted by lewfather

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Originally Posted by Sandwich

lewfather, you are out of line here by posting at least three instances of jsearles22's personal info. If you want Vegas to be able to track him down for whatever reason, a PM to him would have worked just fine. This type of shit was SPECIFICALLY mentioned by Druff as the type of bullshit he doesn't want posted here.

From Druff's "Rules of this Forum" thread: "4) Personal information. Don't post phone numbers, addresses, or workplace information. Also don't post anyone's full name or picture if they haven't made it public. Definitely do not post any information about anyone's family members, including pictures, names, or anything else about them."

I'm all for taking scammers to task, but this vigilante public shit is not cool, imo.

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How do you know that I haven't already PM'd him? When you're dealing with a scammer you have to take every possible avenue to get paid, druff already let 408mike slide when he welched with vegas, then we have another welch with jsearles? I'm sorry but this is POKERFRAUDALERT, were suppose to be alerting the community of scammers and find ways to get each other paid. I've also messaged Druff about moving this thread to the scam section til we can get it all sorted out.

Thanks for your input though

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while everyone agrees it was a scam I think we need to go through a few steps first to be unanimous. Druff will read it and rule and they suggested getting an impartial third party unknown to either Jearless or Vegas to rule on it. I think everyone agrees what the out come will be but it's very possible that jsearles will just agree to pay after those steps are taken. Obv if he does not pay after that time then his personal info needs to be outed and steps need to be taken to make people aware of him and getting Vegas paid.

They can settle it on the radio show tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCYg4f77Eqo&t=0m51s

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Originally Posted by Jasep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCYg4f77Eqo&t=0m51s

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or 4) have a fair and impartial arbitor rule in my favor

Searles = hitsville on radio

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by Jasep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCYg4f77Eqo&t=0m51s

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or 4) have a fair and impartial arbitor rule in my favor

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Even if by some miracle whoever decides on this thing happens to side with you do you honestly think that's it for you? Do you think you can make a single post without someone mentioning how your an angle shooting scum bag? Do you think you will be able to beg for a stake again? Do you think no one from this site will follow you to PTP to point out your angle shooting to that community? Do you honestly think Lewfathers pursuit starts and ends with facebook? Do you think your name will be able to be googled without some mention of you being shaddy? Have you even ever paid attention to the level people will go to when provoked?

Even if by some lightning in a bottle act of god you wind up getting ruled as the winner of this bet there is still no way you ever come out ahead in this situation.

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Originally Posted by lewfather

Searles = hitsville on radio

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What time is radio? I think I might be out to dinner with the wife tonight. I think its fairly later here though so I might be able to make it. I could be wrong but do you guys really want to hear me say "Vegas implicitly said both words, other wise I never would have taken the bet!" Then Vegas will say "you know thats not what I meant!" Then we will go over that in other terms about 15 different times and ways. I mean Im game if it fits in my schedule, Im just not sure the other listeners care to ruin the first scheduled radio show.

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Originally Posted by Jasep

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

or 4) have a fair and impartial arbitor rule in my favor

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Even if by some miracle whoever decides on this thing happens to side with you do you honestly think that's it for you? Do you think you can make a single post without someone mentioning how your an angle shooting scum bag? Do you think you will be able to beg for a stake again? Do you think no one from this site will follow you to PTP to point out your angle shooting to that community? Do you honestly think Lewfathers pursuit starts and ends with facebook? Do you think your name will be able to be googled without some mention of you being shaddy? Have you even ever paid attention to the level people will go to when provoked?

Even if by some lightning in a bottle act of god you wind up getting ruled as the winner of this bet there is still no way you ever come out ahead in this situation.

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You seem to be relenting to the fact that I have an argument no?

1. You seem to think I care what others say or call me here? I know im right and I will stand by that
2. Never begged for a stake yet and dont intend to.
3. Havent been on PTP in months. Havent played much online. As many of you are well aware I am a recreational donk. Attacking my poker cred is pretty LOL at best
4. Pretty sure no one of any importance is googling my name and finding anything.
5. People get pretty butt hurt over the internet. Lewfather is playing this kamikaze vigilant character like I have done something to him personally. Its kind of funny, kind of sad
6. If I am ruled the winner I wont get paid either, does that mean Vegas will be called the scammer and you wont allow him to be part of your new community. Dont dodge the question, just answer it straight up. I have given you that same courtesy

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by Jasep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCYg4f77Eqo&t=0m51s

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or 4) have a fair and impartial arbitor rule in my favor

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My choice is Johnny Hughes, he'll have Searles and Vegas behind Binions choosing between pistols or sabers :)

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by Jasep

Even if by some miracle whoever decides on this thing happens to side with you do you honestly think that's it for you? Do you think you can make a single post without someone mentioning how your an angle shooting scum bag? Do you think you will be able to beg for a stake again? Do you think no one from this site will follow you to PTP to point out your angle shooting to that community? Do you honestly think Lewfathers pursuit starts and ends with facebook? Do you think your name will be able to be googled without some mention of you being shaddy? Have you even ever paid attention to the level people will go to when provoked?

Even if by some lightning in a bottle act of god you wind up getting ruled as the winner of this bet there is still no way you ever come out ahead in this situation.

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You seem to be relenting to the fact that I have an argument no?

1. You seem to think I care what others say or call me here? I know im right and I will stand by that
I know you are an angleshooter as does everyone else here.

2. Never begged for a stake yet and dont intend to.
Yes, the "Stake me Bro" pic that you cry and complain about has no back story at all

3. Havent been on PTP in months. Havent played much online. As many of you are well aware I am a recreational donk. Attacking my poker cred is pretty LOL at best
Hope it was a permanent separation for you

4. Pretty sure no one of any importance is googling my name and finding anything.
Not yet maybe... but someone will someday

5. People get pretty butt hurt over the internet. Lewfather is playing this kamikaze vigilant character like I have done something to him personally. Its kind of funny, kind of sad.
Lewfather has a history of escalating things, your best leaving that one alone

6. If I am ruled the winner I wont get paid either, does that mean Vegas will be called the scammer and you wont allow him to be part of your new community. Dont dodge the question, just answer it straight up. I have given you that same courtesy
If a true impartial judge, that is appointed by Druff, Steve-O or someone other than a confirmed angle shooter rules in favor of you than you will get your money, I personally vouch for that... are you willing to do the same?

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I wonder what the good truthseeker Asian Spa thinks of this. Mayhap I shall inquire...

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

I wonder what the good truthseeker Asian Spa thinks of this. Mayhap I shall inquire...

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Searles, please expalin who you would consider a fair and impartial arbitrator? What type of experience/credentials do they need to have?

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by vegas1369

Now this asshole is trying to pull a scam. He knows he NEVER uses the word "than" because he is too much of a dumbass to know when it is supposed to be used, which is the ENTIRE POINT OF THIS BET. He always uses the word "then" no matter what, he literally never uses "than". I already have 23 quotes where he has used it incorrectly. So this fuckstick thinks he's being slick, but I am sure all of you agree and see the point of this bet is to point out that he is too stupid to know when to use then or than. I will have the 25 quotes, and he will be on the fence for $500.

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Originally Posted by Vegas1369

How about I find, lets say 15 posts, where you have used those two words incorrectly?

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Please explain?

How many times are bets won because the person offering offered a stupid bet? That's about 90% of bets! Vegas offered a stupid bet, and I accepted. It's that simple

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How do you not see that you are dead wrong here?

let it be known that jsearles and vegas are both idiots.