*** OFFICIAL 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Race Thread ***

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Originally Posted by blake

biden matches up better in swing states against trump than any other democrat. pennsylvania would be a lock for biden

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Tell me who can win Pa, Oh, Mi, Wi, Fl and I’ll tell you who they should nominate.

Bernie winning Iowa would change nothing nor should it be considered important because Trump is going to carry the state. NH doesn’t matter either because Trump in all likelihood won’t win no matter who he is running against.

Biden is who can win these important states. He should be the nominee if the DNC is serious about this race.

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Wrong, hillary won NH by 3k+ votes and it was a possible scam that cost me 10k+

Hillary is the biggest scammer on the planet, Muh Ukraine is a scam to knife Biden

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by blake

but "don't worry, he can't accomplish any of the things he's running on," doesn't seem like the best reason to vote for the guy.

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would you rather have bernie fail to turn this country into a welfare state or would you rather have trump succeed in turning into a fascist idiocracy.

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i'd probably vote for anyone other than trump, so i'd take option a.

that said, i don't think many people will view this in the pragmatic way you are. i think there are a whole lot of people like tony b who are doing well financially and would not vote for a socialist (democratic or otherwise) under any circumstances. they think it will actually make their lives worse, beginning with a stock market crash.

of course, my predictions suck and change every other day.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

Then Trump wins relatively easily.

Bernie is dangerous enough that I'd vote for Trump over him, and I borderline hate Trump.

Enough people feel the same way I do which is why I'm confident Bernie doesn't win the nomination. It will still be Biden.

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Bernie is dangerous to no one honestly. Make a list of the things he could accomplish without bipartisan support. He wont even have dem support for his big ticket items.

Hes going to be a one termer but he its going to be a very relaxed term with a lot of environmental initiatives and general 'lets fuck the little guy less' moments.

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I could get behind this if I believed it, especially if it meant a Trump free reboot of the Republican party.

There's already a move left in the House and if the D's retook the Senate I could envision a move to eliminate the filibuster completely.

No thanks.

Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, any of the three B's would get my vote. So would Klobuchar frankly and I don't like her at all.

The message of, "If Trump gets elected, awful things X and Y will happen to this country" isn't going to work this time around.

We've had Trump for 3 years, the economy is the best it's been in a long time, and the average American hasn't seen any major change for the worse.

The "rise of white supremacist groups", often cited by histrionic people on the left or the media, is a bunch of nonsense, and those type of crimes account for a tiny percentage of overall crime in this country. In truth, Obama actually hurt race relations more than Trump ever could, but that's a different subject for a different time.

Anyway, when the economy is booming, you're not going to get across the message of "terrible consequences if we elect Trump" if we've already had Trump for one term and the consequences aren't terrible.

This is why the "fascist idiocracy" scare tactics from people like sonatine are so laughable at this point. Time to leave that line in 2016 and move on.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

The DNC really, really, really doesn't want Bernie to win the nomination.

They hate him. But he just might if Warren's support craters off quickly.

However, he still isn't doing well with the black vote (not as bad as Buttigieg, but still bad), so he's gonna get killed versus Biden in any state where blacks make up a healthy percentage of the Democratic voters. Iowa is lily white, as is New Hampshire (both over 90% white), so those don't really mean as much as people think. Bernie has an additional edge in NH because of its proximity to Vermont (he destroyed Hillary in NH in 2016), so again, that's not really a referendum on his chances of being the nominee.

I will say that a brokered convention is looking more likely.

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EXCLUSIVE POLL: Just as Many African-Americans Say They’d Consider Voting for Bernie Sanders as Joe Biden

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z...s-as-joe-biden

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VICE is garbage. I don't trust their poll.

The 17% considering Buttigieg is especially suspect.

And what does "considering voting" mean? In the primary? In the general election? Either one?

Sounds like either one, which becomes a whole different ballgame than the primary. The black voter who would have a 0.0% chance of supporting Buttigieg in the primary may still vote for him against Trump.

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Bernie is dangerous to no one honestly. Make a list of the things he could accomplish without bipartisan support. He wont even have dem support for his big ticket items.

Hes going to be a one termer but he its going to be a very relaxed term with a lot of environmental initiatives and general 'lets fuck the little guy less' moments.

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I could get behind this if I believed it, especially if it meant a Trump free reboot of the Republican party.

There's already a move left in the House and if the D's retook the Senate I could envision a move to eliminate the filibuster completely.

No thanks.

Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, any of the three B's would get my vote. So would Klobuchar frankly and I don't like her at all.

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Thankfully you live on the West Coast where your vote is absolutely meaningless. You could vote for Stalin and nobody would care. LOL at the state of Washington. I was in Seattle a few months ago and talk about a shithole.

at one point i thought any democrat would beat trump because trump couldn't expand his base and every young person and minority that stayed home in 2016 would come out in 2020.

now i don't think so.

the shock of trump has probably worn off for many of the never trumpers who voted for hillary but would much rather have trump than a socialist. trump might expand his base depending on his opponent

bernie loses every state right?

Most on the left don't want to talk about this, but the truth is that the black community as a whole views gays in 2020 the same way this country viewed gay people in 1985.

White liberals don't fully realize this because their white counterparts are all very accepting of gays, and even many of their white conservative friends have warmed up to gay marriage and general acceptance of gay relationships. But black people -- even ones normally liberal about other issues -- just don't aren't comfortable with gay people and gay relationships, and thus they will vote for any other Democrat besides Buttigieg. And honestly, some would vote for Trump.

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Originally Posted by tgull

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

I could get behind this if I believed it, especially if it meant a Trump free reboot of the Republican party.

There's already a move left in the House and if the D's retook the Senate I could envision a move to eliminate the filibuster completely.

No thanks.

Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, any of the three B's would get my vote. So would Klobuchar frankly and I don't like her at all.

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Thankfully you live on the West Coast where your vote is absolutely meaningless. You could vote for Stalin and nobody would care. LOL at the state of Washington. I was in Seattle a few months ago and talk about a shithole.

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It's only meaningless if I vote for Trump again, which will only happen if Bernie or Warren gets the nod.

The rest of what you say is unfortunately true.

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by tgull

Thankfully you live on the West Coast where your vote is absolutely meaningless. You could vote for Stalin and nobody would care. LOL at the state of Washington. I was in Seattle a few months ago and talk about a shithole.

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It's only meaningless if I vote for Trump again, which will only happen if Bernie or Warren gets the nod.

The rest of what you say is unfortunately true.

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When I was in Seattle I was accosted non-stop by bums and homeless people. I literally almost got stabbed by a syringe when a homeless person approached me. I don't know what is going on with your downtown, but I want nothing apart it ever again. I could have been infected.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Most on the left don't want to talk about this, but the truth is that the black community as a whole views gays in 2020 the same way this country viewed gay people in 1985.

White liberals don't fully realize this because their white counterparts are all very accepting of gays, and even many of their white conservative friends have warmed up to gay marriage and general acceptance of gay relationships. But black people -- even ones normally liberal about other issues -- just don't aren't comfortable with gay people and gay relationships, and thus they will vote for any other Democrat besides Buttigieg. And honestly, some would vote for Trump.

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did you see the latest don lemon show. he had a couple of guests on and they go on attacking trump saying that he couldn't find ukraine on a map and one of them starts generalizing southerners saying they're stupid also and starts mimmicking them.

the fucked up thing about it is that one of his guests looked indian and he started giving his southern draw mimic insults and fails trying to do so.

all the while don lemon is loling

this is an awful look for democrats, really awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsEE57PGSE8

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Originally Posted by mulva

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Most on the left don't want to talk about this, but the truth is that the black community as a whole views gays in 2020 the same way this country viewed gay people in 1985.

White liberals don't fully realize this because their white counterparts are all very accepting of gays, and even many of their white conservative friends have warmed up to gay marriage and general acceptance of gay relationships. But black people -- even ones normally liberal about other issues -- just don't aren't comfortable with gay people and gay relationships, and thus they will vote for any other Democrat besides Buttigieg. And honestly, some would vote for Trump.

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did you see the latest don lemon show. he had a couple of guests on and they go on attacking trump saying that he couldn't find ukraine on a map and one of them starts generalizing southerners saying they're stupid also and starts mimmicking them.

the fucked up thing about it is that one of his guests looked indian and he started giving his southern draw mimic insults and fails trying to do so.

all the while don lemon is loling

this is an awful look for democrats, really awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsEE57PGSE8

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in our defense all those jokes were true so..

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by mulva

did you see the latest don lemon show. he had a couple of guests on and they go on attacking trump saying that he couldn't find ukraine on a map and one of them starts generalizing southerners saying they're stupid also and starts mimmicking them.

the fucked up thing about it is that one of his guests looked indian and he started giving his southern draw mimic insults and fails trying to do so.

all the while don lemon is loling

this is an awful look for democrats, really awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsEE57PGSE8

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in our defense all those jokes were true so..

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i'm not sure you realize how bad of a thing they did. the dems are fighters for the very rights they just made fun of. i won't be holding my breath waiting for the next panel to mimic and make fun of gay dudes that speak effeminately.

it's okay,....you can make fun of trump and whitey's from the south...cnn and lemon is such a sham

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Originally Posted by mulva

the dems are fighters for the very rights they just made fun of.

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Originally Posted by tgull

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

It's only meaningless if I vote for Trump again, which will only happen if Bernie or Warren gets the nod.

The rest of what you say is unfortunately true.

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When I was in Seattle I was accosted non-stop by bums and homeless people. I literally almost got stabbed by a syringe when a homeless person approached me. I don't know what is going on with your downtown, but I want nothing apart it ever again. I could have been infected.

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The unfortunately result of progressivism and what all jurisdictions can look forward to when you decriminalize crime.

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And yet you can't spare $5 for OSA's travel fund? Very disrespectful

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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When I was in Seattle I was accosted non-stop by bums and homeless people. I literally almost got stabbed by a syringe when a homeless person approached me. I don't know what is going on with your downtown, but I want nothing apart it ever again. I could have been infected.

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The unfortunately result of progressivism and what all jurisdictions can look forward to when you decriminalize crime.

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You got that right. And it’s all being done, even in red states, under the guise of “criminal justice reform.” We are sheep being led to slaughter. Lullz politicians who don’t live in the same reality as their constituents.

How about New York, where they can't set a cash bail for anything besides the most violent of violent crimes, thus forcing them to kick loose violent criminals, who just go right back out and re-offend?

And yes, that's already happened numerous times since this started in November.

Lol @ the American left's attempts at criminal justice. Just a complete disaster.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

How about New York, where they can't set a cash bail for anything besides the most violent of violent crimes, thus forcing them to kick loose violent criminals, who just go right back out and re-offend?

And yes, that's already happened numerous times since this started in November.

Lol @ the American left's attempts at criminal justice. Just a complete disaster.

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It is not just the left, I live in a red state and it is and has been an ongoing effort here. It's done for two reasons - 1. so republicans can pat themselves on their back as being sympathetic to the plight of these misguided souls and 2. to save money on building new prisons that they can use to buy votes with. again, these crimes aren't happening to the politicians or their families or else this wouldn't be the result -- same thing with tort deform. meanwhile the sheep think this is a positive thing, lol, as the wolves remain at large.

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by sonatine

would you rather have bernie fail to turn this country into a welfare state or would you rather have trump succeed in turning into a fascist idiocracy.

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i'd probably vote for anyone other than trump, so i'd take option a.

that said, i don't think many people will view this in the pragmatic way you are. i think there are a whole lot of people like tony b who are doing well financially and would not vote for a socialist (democratic or otherwise) under any circumstances. they think it will actually make their lives worse, beginning with a stock market crash.

of course, my predictions suck and change every other day.

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Blake, you're right but for the wrong reasons. I'm not voting for a socialist under any circumstances, but the reasons aren't egocentric. My successes and failures in life are my responsibility. Not the president, not congress, and not the supreme court. Part of the problem is that too many people think only of themselves and not what's best for the whole.

I think socialism is dangerous, but I don't think my life will change much regardless of who's elected in November. And I'm certainly not worried about the stock market. While I don't want anyone to lose money or their job, the business cycle exists for a reason and the market will enter bear territory eventually. This is ultimately healthy, if painful, and works to reset asset prices.

I'm a decade and a half away from retirement so a stock market retreat would actually be welcomed. If I was closer to retirement I'd be diversified enough to handle any sort of market pull back. Again, I decide the terms of my life, not the government. That's the point.

democrats are the party of high taxes, high crime, open borders, late term abortions, socialism and blatant corruption.

-d trump...nj rally. 2020

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Another Dem trying to fight crazy with crazy.

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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i'd probably vote for anyone other than trump, so i'd take option a.

that said, i don't think many people will view this in the pragmatic way you are. i think there are a whole lot of people like tony b who are doing well financially and would not vote for a socialist (democratic or otherwise) under any circumstances. they think it will actually make their lives worse, beginning with a stock market crash.

of course, my predictions suck and change every other day.

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Blake, you're right but for the wrong reasons. I'm not voting for a socialist under any circumstances, but the reasons aren't egocentric. My successes and failures in life are my responsibility. Not the president, not congress, and not the supreme court. Part of the problem is that too many people think only of themselves and not what's best for the whole.

I think socialism is dangerous, but I don't think my life will change much regardless of who's elected in November. And I'm certainly not worried about the stock market. While I don't want anyone to lose money or their job, the business cycle exists for a reason and the market will enter bear territory eventually. This is ultimately healthy, if painful, and works to reset asset prices.

I'm a decade and a half away from retirement so a stock market retreat would actually be welcomed. If I was closer to retirement I'd be diversified enough to handle any sort of market pull back. Again, I decide the terms of my life, not the government. That's the point.

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i hear you, and to be clear, i didn't mean "people like tony b" in a disparaging way. i'm probably in that same category

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Originally Posted by mulva

democrats are the party of high taxes, high crime, open borders, late term abortions, socialism and blatant corruption.

-d trump...nj rally. 2020

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-d trump...nj rally. 2020

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Most on the left don't want to talk about this, but the truth is that the black community as a whole views gays in 2020 the same way this country viewed gay people in 1985.

White liberals don't fully realize this because their white counterparts are all very accepting of gays, and even many of their white conservative friends have warmed up to gay marriage and general acceptance of gay relationships. But black people -- even ones normally liberal about other issues -- just don't aren't comfortable with gay people and gay relationships, and thus they will vote for any other Democrat besides Buttigieg. And honestly, some would vote for Trump.

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did you see the latest don lemon show. he had a couple of guests on and they go on attacking trump saying that he couldn't find ukraine on a map and one of them starts generalizing southerners saying they're stupid also and starts mimmicking them.

the fucked up thing about it is that one of his guests looked indian and he started giving his southern draw mimic insults and fails trying to do so.

all the while don lemon is loling

this is an awful look for democrats, really awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsEE57PGSE8

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According to this latest poll, and in the context of what they were discussing (the impeachment trial), Don Lemon and his guests in that segment were only “mocking” a little over a quarter of the country, not the “half” claimed by the gentlemen who host that YouTube show.

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Originally Posted by mulva

did you see the latest don lemon show. he had a couple of guests on and they go on attacking trump saying that he couldn't find ukraine on a map and one of them starts generalizing southerners saying they're stupid also and starts mimmicking them.

the fucked up thing about it is that one of his guests looked indian and he started giving his southern draw mimic insults and fails trying to do so.

all the while don lemon is loling

this is an awful look for democrats, really awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsEE57PGSE8

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According to this latest poll, and in the context of what they were discussing (the impeachment trial), Don Lemon and his guests in that segment were only “mocking” a little over a quarter of the country, not the “half” claimed by the gentlemen who host that YouTube show.

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"Snowflakes triggered over politically incorrect anchor"

I'm not triggered by that idiotic discussion on CNN. On the contrary, I'm happy that they're still doing this shit and haven't learned from 2016.

I love it when the arrogant left looks down upon everyone aside from coastal educated elites. Just keeps driving more blue collar voters to the Republican Party.

These idiots just refuse to get it. The way to get blue collar swing voters back is to validate their concerns and then convince them you're going to both listen to them and make their life better. The left instead talks down to them, and their form of "help" involves free stuff which these people don't want in the first place.

The left's message is, "You're a dumb hick, your religion is a joke, and you enjoy all kinds of privilege for being white and heterosexual. Now sit down, shut up, and let the smarter folks get you some free things we say you need, which we will fund off the backs of rich people."

Then they wonder why these people vote for Trump.

So yeah, CNN, let's see some more mocking of Trump-voting hicks. I'm lovin' it!

The funny thing is that Trump can't actually relate to blue collar swing voters. He's never been one of them, and he hasn't really associated much with them in his lifetime.

However, he's incredibly good at understanding people's concerns and saying what they want to hear. This got him both the Republican nomination and the general election of 2016.

Democrats are really bad at this. They are so over-concerned with identity politics and never validating the "concerns of the ignorant" that they can't bring themselves to treat the blue collar swing voter respectfully, nor can they effectively pretend to be concerned with their plight. Instead it's, "Trump doesn't care about you" and "Here's some free things we will get you", neither of which really plays very well with that crowd.

Trump can speak to these people about their concerns while not offending his base. The Democrats can't. That's the real problem here.

Much like Republicans are making a mistake letting the potential Hispanic vote get away, Democrats are letting the white blue collar vote get away.

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I love it when the arrogant left looks down upon everyone aside from coastal educated elites.

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Buddy... what do you think you are?

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Anyway, when the economy is booming, you're not going to get across the message of "terrible consequences if we elect Trump" if we've already had Trump for one term and the consequences aren't terrible.

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I agreed with your general argument but smiled with “booming economy”

All time highs on Wall Street, record employment, corporate earnings surprise..........

and yet you brow beat the Fed Chairman Powell into cutting interest rates back toward zero. WHY? They just swung below 0% in Germany and France.

Yeah, we’re good.

Junk bonds are 5%. Not 12% or 17%. Risk is mispriced. This is exactly like every other credit bubble. Most recently 2008. Greenspan lowers interest rates to near zero following Sept 11 and the train could not be stopped. Investors bought mispriced risky shit like mortgage backed securities.

Nobody wanted to stop the addiction and feel a little necessary pain.

The cycle repeats itself. It always gets corrected... it just hurts worse each time it happens. Trump will almost certainly dodge the crisis but he might not. No one knows when or exactly how but it’ll come.


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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Then they wonder why these people vote for Trump.

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Voted for Trump*

One time.

Over 3 years ago.

And within a couple months a lot of them seem to have regretted it, and have regretted it ever since.

regardless of what happens going forward you can never, EVER take this speech away from Joe Biden:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZ6UfXm410&feature=youtu.be

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Then they wonder why these people vote for Trump.

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Voted for Trump*

One time.

Over 3 years ago.

And within a couple months a lot of them seem to have regretted it, and have regretted it ever since.

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If they regret it and are considering voting Democrat this time around, the worst thing you can do is insult them, belittle them, and tell them how "privileged" they are to be white and heterosexual.

That will just drive voters dissatisfied with Trump back to Trump, the same way a woman goes back to her abusive ex-boyfriend after dating a few guys she perceives to be even worse.

That's human nature.

The left is so wrapped up in identity politics and the victim olympics that they don't see the people they're driving away. They just blame "racism", "sexism", "homophobia", "ignorance", etc.