Sanlmar: "Chesnoff & company gonna drink heavily each night of the trial swapping Micon stories"
So you're Micon. Please choose.
Door A. Kiss the U.S. goodbye.
Door B. You're looking over your shoulder always and could be swept off the beach by a bounty hunter A.K.A. Nevada Gaming Commission tough.
Door C. You buy your ass back to the place where you were born and not serve time.
I currently am in pretty good standing in US Open freeroll. If I happen to cash I will donate all proceeds to a "Guess the Icon's Sentence" pool. You will need to guess the length of any probation, and length of any time in jail/prison.
That would be a cool contest but I wouldn't be counting my chickens just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
If Day withdraws, which is entirely possible, his score goes from -2 to +17 for you & effectively takes you out of the running.
He already said he is playing tomorrow. If he was well enough to hit a bunker shot 10 min later, he will be fine with full 24hrs rest. No shit there is long way to go but if I win an Icon pool it is with proceeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey GuyThat would be a cool contest but I wouldn't be counting my chickens just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
If Day withdraws, which is entirely possible, his score goes from -2 to +17 for you & effectively takes you out of the running.
Next NGC press confrenence: "We want Micon BACK!"
I assume you're not watching the coverage. There's no guarantee he plays. This has been an issue for him in the past forcing him to withdraw & not just dehydration or something easily treated.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustlerHe already said he is playing tomorrow. If he was well enough to hit a bunker shot 10 min later, he will be fine with full 24hrs rest. No shit there is long way to go but if I win an Icon pool it is with proceeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
LOL I have watched every fucking second of coverage. The guy has a chance to win the US fucking Open they will gave to drag him off course. China has me either way, he has Spieth and DJ and his others will all make cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey GuyI assume you're not watching the coverage. There's no guarantee he plays. This has been an issue for him in the past forcing him to withdraw & not just dehydration or something easily treated.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
I'm very confused here.
He's apparently coming back to Nevada to face this, perhaps sign an already-negotiated plea deal.
That I understand.
But how the hell is SWC.eu still running?? Isn't that pretty much committing the exact same crime while making a plea bargain to the previous crime?
I know he posted on one forum that he "stepped away" from SWC.eu, but I'm sure they have all the videos on lockdown where he admits that he was the one who started the new site. So how is it still running? Is he honestly going to claim that he no longer has anything to do with it? And they're supposed to believe it just because he says so?
This is soooooooooooo strange.
You would think that shutting down the new SWC immediately would be a prerequisite for any kind of deal.
Unless that's what he'll be doing once the deal is signed.
Could be that it falls just out of the Nevada Gutting Commission's jurisdiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesCould be that it falls just out of the Nevada Gutting Commission's jurisdiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Anyone in Nevada could sign up there and play.
Exactly what happened on the first Seals, and the reason Micon was indicted.
This is no different, except Micon was in Aruba when he started it.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffHow?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
Anyone in Nevada could sign up there and play.
Exactly what happened on the first Seals, and the reason Micon was indicted.
This is no different, except Micon was in Aruba when he started it.
Really? It's on dem den aint it?
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I hate to be the first to say it but Druff, like Tiger, may have seen better days.
When I think of Bryan Micon returning to Vegas I think of the opening of Rounders when Matt Damon talks about spotting the sucker in the first 30 minutes and if you can't then you are the sucker aka Micon deciding to come back to Vegas without knowing his true fate.
When reading this and you mentioned Rounders, the thought that popped into my mind is that Micon will have to be on the truck for awhile before he gets his roll back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I'm skeptical that any final plea agreement is already in place - why wouldn't the DA first require Micon to come to the US and surrender before offering any firm agreement? And I've got to believe that any agreement would include as a term of probation that Micon refrain from similar internet activities for an extended period of time. Where that leaves SWC is anyone's guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
For those wagering on the outcome, in the spirit of Joe Navarro, I'm going to speculate and handicap the conclusion of this matter as follows:
If Micon appears in Court next week wearing a full suit and tie, then there is a high probability of a fine + probation only.
If Micon appears in Court next week without wearing a full suit and tie but rather a collared shirt and pants, then jail time is not yet fully off the table.
And if Micon appears in Court next week dressed as you would otherwise expect Micon to be dressed, then there is a high probability of some jail time.
Unless the judge is a Hoosiers fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeDI'm skeptical that any final plea agreement is already in place - why wouldn't the DA first require Micon to come to the US and surrender before offering any firm agreement? And I've got to believe that any agreement would include as a term of probation that Micon refrain from similar internet activities for an extended period of time. Where that leaves SWC is anyone's guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
For those wagering on the outcome, in the spirit of Joe Navarro, I'm going to speculate and handicap the conclusion of this matter as follows:
If Micon appears in Court next week wearing a full suit and tie, then there is a high probability of a fine + probation only.
If Micon appears in Court next week without wearing a full suit and tie but rather a collared shirt and pants, then jail time is not yet fully off the table.
And if Micon appears in Court next week dressed as you would otherwise expect Micon to be dressed, then there is a high probability of some jail time.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
lol Micon gonna Micon
You can't hate on him in this spot because, he really is true to his own heart and is doing what he believes in. Bitcoins, poker, libertarian (tard?) etc..
It seems he is always gonna just be the Micon, loved or hated. I personally respect people who are willing to go out on a limb even in the face of tons of adversity, because they believe in their cause.
SWC.eu actually takes about < .09% (guesstimation) of any revenue from Nevadas legal sites (lol).
He fought a good cause that he genuinely believed in here. For that I commend him and I'm not surprised the State of Nevada doesnt want to wast resources/money on some libtard bitcoin barron. They will sting him just enough, and everyone will move along.
< 365 days probably is my guess, significant financial restitution, and Micon resurfaces a legend in the poker world (in his own little way)
Well played imo
I think Micon's hand was forced, when he realized that his 6 month vacation in a foreign land was coming to an end. He obv isn't in a position to kick out 4 hundo to stay, so really he had no other choice.
Druffs comment about swc.eu really resonates. How is there a plea framework in place re: sealswithclubs.com that somehow gives swc.eu a pass...
I talked to a lawyer in 2009 about what it would take to start a poker site from Costa Rica (same thing here really). I was told, point blank, by a lawyer, "If you go that route, you can never step foot in the US again."
So I really hope Micon knows what hes doing here...
Honestly......I don't think Micon will learn anything from this unless he does some time.
insightQuote:
Originally Posted by Muck Ficon
meant to write
Part of me thinks Karma dictates he goes to prison and then online poker becomes legal in the U.S. while in prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muck Ficon
So I guess I am rooting for prison?
Perhaps has no real control as an investor/operator that can be traced or documented and if he does could he notQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
legally cut ties with that company as part of his deal?
Muck Ficon: "Sill on your drug/alcohol binge i see."
You guess.
You should consider that route yourself as you have nothing to lose.
Lol I have a lot to lose. Wait don't you have kids.....Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
You don't have much to lose in the personality department and general awareness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muck FiconLol I have a lot to lose. Wait don't you have kids.....Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
It'll be interesting to see him come back. I don't like him for the way he treated Todd and Drex, however I dont honestly believe he deserves a long jail sentence. Give him a $100k fine/1yr probation and sign an agreement to never open another gambling site, I think this would be more than fair.
Everyone is convinced there is a deal. Why? It's a theme or a Micon meme now. We have graduated to simply trying to guess how long probation will be. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Is everyone's assumption a homage to the great Chesnoff? Dude gets paid if this becomes a 2 year trial as well. There are numerous wildcards that Chesnoff can only rely on Micon for complete and accurate info. Lots of luck.
I previously offered SWC 2.0 as an example of issues that must be argued. As others have pointed out, why can't we have some additional charges filed?
Perhaps Micon's motivation might be a little friction from the Antiguan government. How long are tourist visas? I need a refresher.
Considering a major role of a lawyer is to haggle with the prosecution for a leaner sentence, a deal is almost always in the making. Add to that, a Son of Abraham made a bad call but did not threaten anyone except those monopolies already entrenched in NevadaQuote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarEveryone is convinced there is a deal. Why? It's a theme or a Micon meme now. We have graduated to simply trying to guess how long probation will be. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Is everyone's assumption a homage to the great Chesnoff? Dude gets paid if this becomes a 2 year trial as well. There are numerous wildcards that Chesnoff can only rely on Micon for complete and accurate info. Lots of luck.
I previously offered SWC 2.0 as an example of issues that must be argued. As others have pointed out, why can't we have some additional charges filed?
Perhaps Micon's motivation might be a little friction from the Antiguan government. How long are tourist visas? I need a refresher.
Money talks. It says both sides can to do less work and the court's time is not wasted on a victimless crime. And a semi-strong message is sent out to other criminals not already working within the system.
Pay up, slap on the wrist, Bob's your Uncle.
6 months from about Feb 15th. So he has to be out by roughly Aug 15th.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarEveryone is convinced there is a deal. Why? It's a theme or a Micon meme now. We have graduated to simply trying to guess how long probation will be. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Is everyone's assumption a homage to the great Chesnoff? Dude gets paid if this becomes a 2 year trial as well. There are numerous wildcards that Chesnoff can only rely on Micon for complete and accurate info. Lots of luck.
I previously offered SWC 2.0 as an example of issues that must be argued. As others have pointed out, why can't we have some additional charges filed?
Perhaps Micon's motivation might be a little friction from the Antiguan government. How long are tourist visas? I need a refresher.
Maybe the real pressure was the thought of returning after July 14th, the end of WSOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
Imagining that walk across the tournament floor with all eyes on him was probably all the motivation Micon needed.
Nobody will own Vegas like this since Elvis.
Micon knows what he would give up for this kind of attention.
Druff or Drexel sitting final table next week. Micon would wish this too just for the added storyline.
I could lose a couple friends if I told you what I know.
David Checnoff (sp?)
You are a genius sir. Bryan is a guy who believed in his vision. he is harmless and you probably dealt with way worse, Less than 6 months and he ssuch a libtard not even a thug, that ill teach him a lesson.
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Originally Posted by limitlesConsidering a major role of a lawyer is to haggle with the prosecution for a leaner sentence, a deal is almost always in the making. Add to that, a Son of Abraham made a bad call but did not threaten anyone except those monopolies already entrenched in NevadaQuote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Money talks. It says both sides can to do less work and the court's time is not wasted on a victimless crime. And a semi-strong message is sent out to other criminals not already working within the system.
Pay up, slap on the wrist, Bob's your Uncle.
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Limitles, you need to amp up your cynicism.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
money talks
Off to a strong start
Score +1
Both sides can do less work
Lawyers are paid on contingency (n/a), flat fee (lol), hourly (bingo) Two favorite words for any lawyer - billable hours.
Score -1
courts time is not wasted
Have you ever been involved in litigation? No one gives a fuck about efficiency. This is a civil servant presiding who is elected.
Face time On a fun case
Score -1
did not threaten anyone except those monopolies already entrenched in Nevada
Entrenched monopolies with deep pockets are great opponents if you are Don Quixote
Score -1
Class participation & attendance
Score +1
If graded on the curve for posts the last day or two you still score very high but efficiency and fair justice is not how this game works.
Please correct and resubmit.
Happily. I was reacting to your assumption that this case might involve no deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarLimitles, you need to amp up your cynicism.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
money talks
Off to a strong start
Score +1
Both sides can do less work
Lawyers are paid on contingency (n/a), flat fee (lol), hourly (bingo) Two favorite words for any lawyer - billable hours.
Score -1
courts time is not wasted
Have you ever been involved in litigation? No one gives a fuck about efficiency. This is a civil servant presiding who is elected.
Face time On a fun case
Score -1
did not threaten anyone except those monopolies already entrenched in Nevada
Entrenched monopolies with deep pockets are great opponents if you are Don Quixote
Score -1
Class participation & attendance
Score +1
If graded on the curve for posts the last day or two you still score very high but efficiency and fair justice is not how this game works.
Please correct and resubmit.
This case has plea deal written all over it.
The prosecutors have an unknown factor to wrestle with.
No similar cases to serve as a prescedent. No previous judgements to call upon. A small wildcard for sure but new territory to traverse and not something they can be completely confident about.
The accused has choices. He's not in custody. His ass is on a hammock not in some lock-up.
His crime was victimless so spending money trying to bring him to justice would be overkill. However, he doesn't have the U.S. to call home and the opposition is well aware of that.
The court will consider a plea deal a victory in that justice will have been served, they can use the guilty party as a scarecrow for others and will no doubt add to the State coffers but only if they play ball.
I'm sure you're right that the majority have no problem with a long drawn out case but a decent judge would see through that rather quickly. The court system has to be overloaded as it is.
A quick victory that turns a profit ( VOLUME, VOLUME, VOLUME) will fit in nicely with the mantra of the Nation.
BTW your graph is looking quite spiky as of late.
Maybe Simp will structure the ultimate contest were Micon's fate is predicted.
Naw, used the possible prize pool donating with lol names to his go fund me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
My real question is will he be allowed @ wsop after he turns himself in and is released.
$10k horse Jul 1st
$10k dealer's choice Jul 3
$10k main Jul 5
Drex said many radio shows ago Micon would never come back if he was facing even one year in jail. I got to figure they gave him a range in the plea deal which leads him to believe it is for very little or no jail time...probation? maybe as a first time offender...
If he's coming back now, he's probably got a deal for probation or very little jail time.
He has until mid-August to stay in Antigua, so he doesn't have to bail so quickly if he's not happy with the deal being offered.
I am most interested to see the terms of the probation.
Will it involve shutting down SWCpoker?
Will it involve staying away from all casinos?
Will it involve a promise to not work for or own any online poker site?
How big will the fine be?
Pretty sure that Chesnoff attacked the case using the following:
1) Servers for Seals were not run from Nevada
2) Micon had no access to the money flowing in and out of Seals (if hdev from earlier in this thread is to be believed)
3) Micon was a paid promoter who masqueraded as owner in order to give customers more confidence in the product
4) Bitcoin, not money, was being gambled
So then the burden of proof is on the government to prove that Micon really owned it, and they may lack that, even though they might have stuff on his computer which would indicate the was much more involved than just a promoter.
I think the government's case might have its biggest weakness in that Micon had no access to the server running it and had no access to the money/bitcoin.
While abrown has pointed out that the statute makes it a crime to materially participate in running an illegal gambling site, the case becomes much weaker if they can't prosecute Micon as an owner.
So perhaps Laxalt realized that a jury might not want to convict Micon, when his defense team could prove that he had no access to the servers or the bitcoin flowing in and out. Also, a jury may be less likely to convict Micon for providing means to gamble bitcoin than they would if he was running a real money gambling site.
I also don't believe they will re-arrest Micon for SWCpoker when he gets here, or pull some dirty trick like that. High profile attorneys have a professional relationship with prosecutors, to where they basically treat each other with respect, even as adversaries. This is because they frequently have to deal with one another and negotiate, and it becomes impossible to negotiate with someone who pulls dirty tricks on you. So basically they handle matters with each other as straight shooters. It's not like what you see on TV, where the prosecution or defense presents a shocking piece of evidence or surprise witness and completely blindsides the other in court. If they were going to re-arrest Micon for SWCpoker the second he gets to Nevada, Chesnoff would be told about this in advance.