I'm still surprised no one commented on my article where micon states before the raid he was already planning to take his family to Antigua for the entire year. Quite clear that this was not spur of the moment as some suggested. Its quite possible he was already planning to never come back.... I'm wondering if he knew the heat was on. Otherwise why would he be so quiet about trip?
Maybe his grand idea was to get licensed in Antigua? To make this all legit?Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
As for the not coming back part, it's Micon. He absolutely loves the WSOP. I think even with his year long vacation in Antigua he was definitely planning on coming back for it.
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Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
It was pretty common knowledge in some circles, he was definitely planning on setting up a perm secondary residence there. I think that those plans were derailed/postponed by the bitcoin collapse, honestly.
And at no point was he planning on doing anything to keep him from returning for WSOP.
Its hard to understand why he would go to Antigua instead of Costa Rica but I'm guessing they were in flight mode and felt their research into Antigua made it a suitable launching point for whatever was next.
how nervous will he be when the plane lands in the U.S., the door opens and who will be waiting?Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdogMaybe his grand idea was to get licensed in Antigua? To make this all legit?Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
As for the not coming back part, it's Micon. He absolutely loves the WSOP. I think even with his year long vacation in Antigua he was definitely planning on coming back for it.
I don't think we will see him at this year's WSOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charhamhow nervous will he be when the plane lands in the U.S., the door opens and who will be waiting?Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
He tweeted something to a friend shortly after arriving in Antigua, saying that he's going to have to start his own tournament series over there.
I don't believe Micon will return to the US, and especially not to Nevada, until the statute of limitations runs out for the NGC pressing charges on him. I believe that's 3 years for the crime of which he's currently accused. If they do press charges and convict him in absentia, he will likely never come back.
Ya obviously 0.0% chance he comes back this year for WSOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI don't think we will see him at this year's WSOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charham
He tweeted something to a friend shortly after arriving in Antigua, saying that he's going to have to start his own tournament series over there.
I don't believe Micon will return to the US, and especially not to Nevada, until the statute of limitations runs out for the NGC pressing charges on him. I believe that's 3 years for the crime of which he's currently accused. If they do press charges and convict him in absentia, he will likely never come back.
The only way he comes back to the USA is with a deal on the table.
How does it work with him coming back? I thought if he is not actually charged with anything he can come back. Can they still arrest him if he should come back to lasvegas if no charges against him are pressed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI don't think we will see him at this year's WSOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charham
He tweeted something to a friend shortly after arriving in Antigua, saying that he's going to have to start his own tournament series over there.
I don't believe Micon will return to the US, and especially not to Nevada, until the statute of limitations runs out for the NGC pressing charges on him. I believe that's 3 years for the crime of which he's currently accused. If they do press charges and convict him in absentia, he will likely never come back.
Google statute of limitationsQuote:
Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZOHow does it work with him coming back? I thought if he is not actually charged with anything he can come back. Can they still arrest him if he should come back to lasvegas if no charges against him are pressed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
No need for a conviction in absentia, all they need do is file the case within the statute and slowly play it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Of course, if they think he's still running a poker room servicing Nevada customers (which he is), then there's a chance the statute NEVER runs out as long as micon operates a poker site.
Also, and I'm not 100% on this, and it isn't necessarily the case everywhere, but in some places, and for certain in some federal cases, if you flee the area to avoid possible punishment and prosecution, the statute is rendered moot, and time limitations are completely lifted.
Everyone calm down, this is all part of The Micon System - the unreleased version.
Why am I googling statute of limitations? He hasn't been charged with anything. If he isn't charged with anything why couldn't he come back? All they did was confiscate his computer as far as I know. Wouldn't they have to file something either way? Wouldn't he have the right through the freedom of information act to find out what was filed if anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22Google statute of limitationsQuote:
Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO
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Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZOWhy am I googling statute of limitations? He hasn't been charged with anything. If he isn't charged with anything why couldn't he come back? All they did was confiscate his computer as far as I know. Wouldn't they have to file something either way? Wouldn't he have the right through the freedom of information act to find out what was filed if anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
No.
moar spoilers please
Yes, that's exactly what they do. My guess is that their admin module has a binary ' Yes/No" counter associated with each player record, and that it is this which is what they would be using. This btw is how the old PM Operated. This actually may provide an interesting insight into the amount of control they have over the system,as follows: it's clearly to their advantage to show as large a number of players as possible, so it's reasonable to assume they would would multi-count players if they could. However, this necessitates communication between the web client and the underlying admin module. If the vendor of the system they are using did not integrate this capability from the gitgo, they would have to do it themselves. While, of course, we don't know how granular their access to the underlying source is, but even assuming they have the source and the rights to mod it as they choose, it would still require someQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
programming to build in a real-time counter. So we might conclude that they either don't have full control over the system, or they don't have the resources to do non-essential work, or of course, they're just clueless about stuff like this. (The latter is certainly a possibility when you see the crappy way their FAQ is set up - the rake explanation for example. But they did always have that IKEA style when attempting to use the English language, so who knows?)
Also I know I have brought this point up before. But since its official now that Micon is majority owner. For you guys that actually play on the site... are none of you concerned that one of the highest volume players is the owner?
Just had a quick look and there are a lot of tables open with one player seated, and the same 2-3 players are seated alone at about 10 tables.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoDoxPoker_ChairmanYes, that's exactly what they do. My guess is that their admin module has a binary ' Yes/No" counter associated with each player record, and that it is this which is what they would be using. This btw is how the old PM Operated. This actually may provide an interesting insight into the amount of control they have over the system,as follows: it's clearly to their advantage to show as large a number of players as possible, so it's reasonable to assume they would would multi-count players if they could. However, this necessitates communication between the web client and the underlying admin module. If the vendor of the system they are using did not integrate this capability from the gitgo, they would have to do it themselves. While, of course, we don't know how granular their access to the underlying source is, but even assuming they have the source and the rights to mod it as they choose, it would still require someQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
programming to build in a real-time counter. So we might conclude that they either don't have full control over the system, or they don't have the resources to do non-essential work, or of course, they're just clueless about stuff like this. (The latter is certainly a possibility when you see the crappy way their FAQ is set up - the rake explanation for example. But they did always have that IKEA style when attempting to use the English language, so who knows?)
So if they are only counting the active unique users and the number of tables open, then the stats would make sense.
SOL issues are not so always easily resolved. In Micon's case if he is still allowing Nevada residents to gamble on his "new" site it might be deemed an ongoing violation. Additionally, he might well still be considered a Nevada resident and certainly is a US citizen so not likely to be a jurisdictional problem if the regulatory authorities decide to pursue this.....likely won't need an in abstentia conviction to keep him at risk......of course as of now he is free to come and go but each entry would be a risk.....only true solution for him is to get licensed there but doesn't seem like he will do that.....and lol at his claiming not to understand the warrant or potential exposure.....
How many tables of cash games are actively running?Quote:
Originally Posted by Belly Buster
You're correct that they could consider the crime ongoing given that he is still running Seals, so yeah, that will keep him from entering the US by itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlyNo need for a conviction in absentia, all they need do is file the case within the statute and slowly play it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Of course, if they think he's still running a poker room servicing Nevada customers (which he is), then there's a chance the statute NEVER runs out as long as micon operates a poker site.
Also, and I'm not 100% on this, and it isn't necessarily the case everywhere, but in some places, and for certain in some federal cases, if you flee the area to avoid possible punishment and prosecution, the statute is rendered moot, and time limitations are completely lifted.
For some reason I didn't think about that when I made my post.
Micon's story is fantastic. Guy you have followed for years. He's one of our own.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
He gives the authorities the middle finger and runs.
We debate his choices, speculate and mock him.
Micon hasn't hurt anyone nor has he stolen anything. Unless you got some love for the Nevada Gaming Commission or authority figures in general - you gotta be privately rooting for this guy to make it.
I was anyway.
But if finances, fear and a little desperation make this kid cross the line then I am all for the last scene in the Bonnie & Clyde movie. The good one. Warren Beatty & Faye Dunaway.
Sitting at the tables on his own site? If this is confirmed then this all becomes a little less fun.
Who cares how many people are at how many tables? I agree with BCB
Wether he is stealing or not this is just wrong. He wasn't the owner before. We knew he was the mascot. It's different now.
Hire a shill or a prop. A real one - have the guy chat and post videos and all that shit. It just can't be the owner for gods sake.
Please say it ain't so.
Edit: alcoholism and stress have taken a toll. The written evidence is there.
Apologies again to Simp, Pooh, BCR & BCB.