Says the DNC, trying so desperately to push a vast Russian right wing conspiracy, despite not one shred of evidence to support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
We should definitely believe them. They said it so it must be true!
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Says the DNC, trying so desperately to push a vast Russian right wing conspiracy, despite not one shred of evidence to support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
We should definitely believe them. They said it so it must be true!
Did you get my pm? I go out of my way not once but twice to apoligize for an error I made and you can't even acknowledge it?
I saw it, was not aware acknowledging it was mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Thanks, it really wasn't that big of a deal but appreciate it.
Anyone watching this shit show??
This is nuts!!
Feel the Bern-ers are mad!! And they aint gonna take it anymore!
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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustlerSays the DNC, trying so desperately to push a vast Russian right wing conspiracy, despite not one shred of evidence to support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
this is incorrect. the investigation into the breach yielded forensic evidence from a very specific state sponsored APT from Russia.
I'll let you guys in on a lil secret.
As a card carrying member of the #Bernieorbust #NeverHillary club I must confess.
We are running a semi bluff. If Trumps leading in the polls near election day we will step up and vote Hillary. Even tho many of us claim we'd rather Trump win than vote for Hillary.
The truth is
Trump's a bigger liar than even Hillary. He's a whaCKY conspiracy theorist, he has no experience and he's totally incompetent.
He's not this great business man. He's a greasy con man who's been fucking over people his entire adult life.
There's not many Bernie supporters who can "really" overlook his negatives and Pence ices the cake.
Webb sounded more presidential than anyone I've seen on any stage in weeks.
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Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
this is incorrect. the investigation into the breach yielded forensic evidence from a very specific state sponsored APT from Russia.
That was a hell of a fast investigation!
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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustlerLink?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
That was a hell of a fast investigation!
What...? The investigation started in June of 2014. FireEye blew up APT 29's spot a year later:
https://www2.fireeye.com/rs/848-DID-...hammertoss.pdf
Here's CrowdStrike's analysis:
https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bea...nal-committee/
Hillary's odds to win continue to drop. They will continue to drop too the more she talks as she comes off so bad when speaking. Even hard core democrat Nate Silver said if election was today Trump would win. This is going to get good.
Uhh I'm really confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
What...? The investigation started in June of 2014. FireEye blew up APT 29's spot a year later:
https://www2.fireeye.com/rs/848-DID-...hammertoss.pdf
Here's CrowdStrike's analysis:
https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bea...nal-committee/
I was talking about the leaked emails, which just surfaced this past week.
Not in 2014.
I'm not lying, you're obv. not used to hearing the core truth that resides just below emotions and rhetoric.
Everyone is speculating at this point. Nothing more. Not only as to who, but why.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us...ia-emails.html
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It may take months, or years, to figure out the motives of those who stole the emails, and more important, whether they were being commanded by Russian authorities, and specifically by Mr. Putin. But the theft from the national committee would be among the most important state-sponsored hacks yet of an American organization, rivaled only by the attacks on the Office of Personnel Management by state-sponsored Chinese hackers, and the attack on Sony Pictures Entertainment, which Mr. Obama blamed on North Korea. There, too, embarrassing emails were released, but they had no political significance. The WikiLeaks release, however, has more of a tinge of Russian-style information war, in which the intent of the revelations is to alter political events. Exactly how, though, is a bit of a mystery, apart from embarrassing Democrats and further alienating Mr. Sanders’s supporters from Mrs. Clinton.
He has no shot of winning. She will have well over the 270 needed. I predict she gets over 300. White men alone can't win a national election now a days, what is so hard to figure out? Seems like common sense to me.
Im accepting wagers if anyone is intrested. +200 which is well above the market price. COME GET SOME
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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustlerUhh I'm really confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I was talking about the leaked emails, which just surfaced this past week.
Not in 2014.
The breach that resulted in the exfiltrated emails and campaign research was traced back to APT 29, and the details regarding that breach have been public for weeks. Everyone knew these emails had been stolen, who stole them, when, and how. It was not a surprise to anyone that they popped up at Wikileaks, the only question was how the Kremlin was going to release them and when. Those questions have been answered, as you say, but again there was never any ambiguity when it came to attribution for the root breaches.
Hillary's denials during her 60 Minutes interview remind me of some of Howard Lederer's responses during the Pokernews interview post-black Friday
https://youtu.be/iBaJL_AM2tg
https://youtu.be/NkZrFSQkM2M
i'm no trump fan but anyone that thinks he has no chance is in complete denial. if he had zero chance, he'd be getting killed in the polls, not winning.
you're also discounting the possibility of more terror attacks and more leaked emails from wikileaks, which assange already said he will be releasing (that supposedly directly implicate clinton). i can't wait to see how the sanders' supporters react then.
finally, damn. the dnc already looks like way more of a clusterfuck than the rnc. is the crowd going to boo everytime hillary's name is mentioned? check out the videos in this link.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/shout...ic-convention/
im not sold on the vocal core of those 'bernie bros' being anything but trump operators. they are out of fucking control and seem to be serving absolutely no purpose but derailing this and alienating people. one simply has to ask why that's happening and there just arent that many reasons. they even boo'd bernie, and that kinda spells out what their agenda is.
Maniford has connections with Putin.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
No doubt they put Russia in play for trump..
Finnally a Republican with balls that fights back against the PC crowd and the dirty tricks the DEMS have been bashing us with for decades..
yeah but the people in the videos are actual delegates booing from inside the conventionQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
and the people building pipe bombs for Earth First were FBI agents. i mean come on...
i get it, a lot of them are just legit assclowns, but this is brazenly destructive behavior that only benefits one orange skinned scamlord.
also sarah silverman is taking the stage at 6:10 PST and i expect its going to be utterly spectacular when she sons the shit out of her fuckup peers.
At this point I'm starting to think that Trump is possible favourite to take this. I think what everyone has underestimated including myself is how much the whole political environment has been transformed into entertainment. CNN looks nothing like it was 20 years ago when it was conceived. Nearly all news has become editorialized and trump knows exactly how to handle that realm. On top of that just look at the loyalty of trump supporters compared to Hillary. Hillary supporters basically go "ya she's crap but better than alternative" while trump supporters go "he is the greatest man who ever lived". No doubt trump support going to be much more difficult to steal.
I'm interested though how international investors are going to react to this?
I was worried that the DNC would be boring. I figured there was no way it could be a bigger shit show than the RNC.....but this has potential. Politics lol.
on msnbc, all rachel maddow is talking about is whether the sanders' delegates will permit hillary's name to be said over the next four days without loud booing. this is legit crazy
"Thanks, Bernie."
- President Trump
DNC always a better show. Usually produced by Hollywood's finest.Quote:
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If Bernie buys a Lear jet after this and Trump wins... I told you so.
bernie seriously fucked hillary by not dropping out of the race like 27 weeks ago
dems fucked america by nominating one of the least liked candidates in history, and possibly giving us fucking president trump
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Wrong, this entire nation has a short political memory.
The FBI investigating Hill for months, Bill meeting Loretta a week before they announce their decision to not indict Hillary etc.. These current DNC email leaks may actually be a good thing in the long run. It took the focus off the mother of all political scandals. Lynch and Comey and their respective agencies are prob happy about the leaks. These are the absolute worst things that can happen to presidential candidate. This is Hillary's rock bottom and it'll be old news in a month.
The media is pro Clinton and at just the right time they will pivot away from Hillary and go hard at Trump and all his scams and scandals.
Tin foil hat area:
1. There's some crazy shit going on with these paperless electronic voting machines. They can be rigged by insiders and hackers. The corporation that makes them gave generously to the Clinton foundation. Strange exit poll anomalies in the primary and only 5 states will get federal election officials to over see things.
2. Then there's many est Repubs who quietly back Clinton over Trump.
3. Last but not least
Israel strongly supports Hillary and dislikes Trump. Israel runs shit in the US.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
you know... its going to be great when all the berniefags saying "hillary is as bad as trump" are like "wait so now i cant get abortions legally and i have no medical insurance and i have to buy cartel dope again?"
Does Hillary Get It?
by Robert Reich
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11181298.html
My take on Reich's suggestion in bold: Hillary Clinton doesn't have the credibility to convince enough voters to "make the system work for the many rather than a privileged few." Especially after the DNC emails discussing how certain donors will be earmarked for political appointments. While it may be "politics as usual", the specific details consistent with that notion, now made public, have likely eviscerated any chance Hillary can credibly carry that torch.Quote:
Does Hillary Clinton understand that the biggest divide in American politics is no longer between the right and the left, but between the anti-establishment and the establishment?
I worry she doesn’t — at least not yet.
A Democratic operative I’ve known since the Bill Clinton administration told me “now that she’s won the nomination, Hillary is moving to the middle. She’s going after moderate swing voters.”
Presumably that’s why she tapped Tim Kaine to be her vice president. Kaine is as vanilla middle as you can get.
In fairness, Hillary is only doing what she knows best. Moving to the putative center is what Bill Clinton did after the Democrats lost the House and Senate in 1994 — signing legislation on welfare reform, crime, trade, and financial deregulation that enabled him to win reelection in 1996 and declare “the era of big government” over.
In those days a general election was like a competition between two hot-dog vendors on a boardwalk extending from right to left. Each had to move to the middle to maximize sales. (If one strayed too far left or right, the other would move beside him and take all sales on rest of the boardwalk.)
But this view is outdated. Nowadays, it’s the boardwalk versus the private jets on their way to the Hamptons.
The most powerful force in American politics today is anti-establishment fury at a system rigged by big corporations, Wall Street, and the super-wealthy.
This is a big reason why Donald Trump won the Republican nomination. It’s also why Bernie Sanders took 22 states in the Democratic primaries, including a majority of Democratic primary voters under age 45.
There are no longer “moderates.” There’s no longer a “center.” There’s authoritarian populism (Trump) or democratic populism (which had been Bernie’s “political revolution,” and is now up for grabs).
And then there’s the Republican establishment (now scattered to the winds), and the Democratic establishment.
If Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party don’t recognize this realignment, they’re in for a rude shock — as, I’m afraid, is the nation. Because Donald Trump does recognize it. His authoritarian (“I’ am your voice”) populism is premised on it.
“In five, ten years from now,” Trump says, “you’re going to have a worker’s party. A party of people that haven’t had a real wage increase in 18 years, that are angry.”
Speaking at a factory in Pennsylvania in June, he decriedpoliticians and financiers who had betrayed Americans by “taking away from the people their means of making a living and supporting their families.”
Worries about free trade used to be confined to the political left. Now, according to the Pew Research Center, people who say free-trade deals are bad for America are more likely to lean Republican.
The problem isn’t trade itself. It’s a political-economic system that won’t cushion working people against trade’s downsides or share trade’s upsides. In other words, a system that’s rigged.
Most basically, the anti-establishment wants big money out of politics. This was the premise of Bernie Sanders’s campaign. It’s also been central to Donald (“I’m so rich I can’t be bought off“) Trump’s appeal, although he’s now trolling for big money.
A recent YouGov/Economist poll found that 80 percent of GOP primary voters who preferred Donald Trump as the nominee listed money in politics as an important issue, and a Bloomberg Politics poll shows a similar percentage of Republicans opposed to the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United v. FEC decision.
Getting big money out of politics is of growing importance to voters in both major parties. A June New York Times/CBS Newspoll showed that 84 percent of Democrats and 81 percent of Republicans want to fundamentally change or completely rebuild our campaign finance system.
Last January, a DeMoines Register poll of likely Iowa caucus-goers found 91 percent of Republicans and 94 percent of Democrats unsatisfied or “mad as hell” about money in politics.
Hillary Clinton doesn’t need to move toward the “middle.” In fact, such a move could hurt her if it’s perceived to be compromising the stances she took in the primaries in order to be more acceptable to Democratic movers and shakers.
She needs to move instead toward the anti-establishment — forcefully committing herself to getting big money out of politics, and making the system work for the many rather than a privileged few.
She must make clear Donald Trump’s authoritarian populism is a dangerous gambit, and the best way to end crony capitalism and make America work for the many is to strengthen American democracy.
Bottom line: I now think that Hillary is likely going to need a huge win in the debates, or an October Surprise about Trump, to win the election. Because she and her cronies have fucked it up again. #IsIt2008AllOverAgain?
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the only thing anyone here wants you to take is an overdose of sleeping pills.
Al Franken roasted Trump.
That disabled girl was really a great/brave speaker. It really is fucking unbelievable that the classless jersey orangutan made fun of the disabled
uh sarah silverman is super late taking the stage, which is weird..?
also why are the reporter tweets being scrolled on the screen insanely bitter and divisive?
All Al Franken speeches without the satellite dish are null and void.
wow... they nixed her speech or something.
this just went fucking weird. fast.