Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta and we found out the truth and we're supposed to be mad, lol.
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Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta and we found out the truth and we're supposed to be mad, lol.
That is the part I don't understand about the logic of the die hard Hillary supporters. If you are told something that is true, what does it matter who the source is or what their motivation is?Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
cmon SK where u at. I'm tired of arguing with beta cucks and I want to argue with a retarded alpha male that thinks being hard is life priority #1
two factions compete for control of a nation; one is intelligent, educated, experienced, dignified. the other is habitually under-educated, supersticious, racist, science-denying fuckups. both sides are craven cheaters and always have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by shortbuspokerThat is the part I don't understand about the logic of the die hard Hillary supporters. If you are told something that is true, what does it matter who the source is or what their motivation is?Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
an enemy of that nation wants the influence the election to guarantee the simpleton fuckups get power, so they provide them proof of the other sides craven cheating, essentially handing them the election.
the nation is weakened, and abandons its commitments to 'big picture' agendas like preserving life on our planet.
the issue is not that the 'thing we were told' is true or who told it, but that its an incomplete picture being painted to do existential damage to America.
you had me up to this point. we never gave a shit about anything that didn't directly affect us today, tomorrow, or next month. fuck five years from now.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by shortbuspokeryou had me up to this point. we never gave a shit about anything that didn't directly affect us today, tomorrow, or next month. fuck five years from now.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Global warming has been classified as a national security issue not just by us, but by virtually every first world nation for years.
Sane party: its in our best interests to start looking for solutions to global warming.
Team Yokel Koch Brother Ass-puppet: LOL COAL JOBS HASHTAG THEWALL
It's not treason but it's not nothing either. Crimes were committed and the investigation into them was obstructed.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by big dick
"CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin cast doubt on the legal case for treason."
I get that every swinging dick who wants to live on a habitable planet is going to tar and feather the Trump Dynasty at every opportunity but trotting out the word 'treason' here is nothing but the same snake-oil carny preacher politics that got Trump elected; it has absolutely no basis in reality.
The Russians did what they have been doing since the 40's: engineer circumstances that undermine American political stability.
That the Trump's were so basic.... so country stupid... so overwhelmingly naive as to get this deeply gut-hooked/compromised is the real news here.
You're right, it doesn't matter or change the truth, which should be told. But it is still legit to examine the motivation of the source and if there were people involved who committed (or may have committed) crimes they should still be called to account for their actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by shortbuspokerThat is the part I don't understand about the logic of the die hard Hillary supporters. If you are told something that is true, what does it matter who the source is or what their motivation is?Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
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Originally Posted by hongkongerIt's not treason but it's not nothing either. Crimes were committed and the investigation into them was obstructed.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
How do we know it wasn't treason? Why does anyone believe the meeting didn't amount to anything? Trump Jr has been lying about this from the beginning, including lying about the reason for the meeting on Saturday. So we just believe the Russian gov't agent didn't have much?
If I was in Trumpland, I'd be mostly worried about Mueller. No leaks and a team of veteran investigators and prosecutors spells a lot of trouble for an admin that ignores the advice of counsel and includes a whole lot of dummies. I don't think Trump will be impeached any time soon, but plenty of people in the admin could face any number of charges. I expect a lot of shady douches from Trump Org are sweating this thing.
if trump gets impeached on something irrelevant he becomes as popular as bill Clinton and stays in office, u guys don't know what ur doing. give the Dems a better idea than "shit on the white man to appease minorities" if u want to beat trump
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Originally Posted by thesidedish
People like you aren't gettable and I'll never support a political party that would tailor their platform towards the sidedishes of the world. The Pepes need to understand that. Democrats don't need to be more understanding of racist uneducated whites, they need to run a candidate that doesn't suck. If they did that in 2016, Trump would be taping the Apprentice right now and not shitting the bed in Washington.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
love krauthammer's take on trump jr.
Appearing on The Story with Martha MacCallum, Krauthammer highlighted how he had previously said that the Russian collusion story seemed to be a cover-up in search of a crime and that for a long time there didn’t seem to be a there there. However, based on Trump Jr’s own release, we can see that there is now at least something there.
“This just showed up in black in black and white — released by Don Jr. himself,” he stated. “This is not released in the, you know, anti-Trump media. So you see it in black-and-white.”
He added that collusion isn’t necessarily a crime but that any denial about there not being collusion is very weak because Trump Jr. showed he was “receptive.”
After MacCallum recapped some of what had been previewed from Sean Hannity’s interview with Trump Jr., pointing out that the Trump scion said he never received any real info, she asked Krauthammer if it could be collusion if he didn’t get anything from the meeting.
“Well, it’s a hell of a defense to say your collusion might be incompetent,” he responded.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/kraut...e-incompetent/
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Originally Posted by ToasterOvenPeople like you aren't gettable and I'll never support a political party that would tailor their platform towards the sidedishes of the world. The Pepes need to understand that. Democrats don't need to be more understanding of racist uneducated whites, they need to run a candidate that doesn't suck. If they did that in 2016, Trump would be taping the Apprentice right now and not shitting the bed in Washington.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
EXACTLY. I'm racist? since when? I don't care what anybody looks like, including myself, larry confirmed earlier today
edit: also I must add that ur ability to predict politics is poor so don't act like u would have figured out other variables
this really is the scariest part of the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
trump jr. gets an email out of the blue from someone saying the Russian government has damaging info on hillary and wants to give it to him cause russia wants trump to win the election...
that is literally what trump jr. says happened.
assuming he's telling the truth, is this guy really this brain damaged that he didn't immediately figure out that responding to this unsolicited email -- in writing no less -- was a bad idea?
that's a whole new level of brain dead.
can you even imagine how many millions of dollars trump jr. lost to nigerian money scammers?
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Originally Posted by ToasterOvenQuote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
How do we know it wasn't treason? Why does anyone believe the meeting didn't amount to anything? Trump Jr has been lying about this from the beginning, including lying about the reason for the meeting on Saturday. So we just believe the Russian gov't agent didn't have much?
If I was in Trumpland, I'd be mostly worried about Mueller. No leaks and a team of veteran investigators and prosecutors spells a lot of trouble for an admin that ignores the advice of counsel and includes a whole lot of dummies. I don't think Trump will be impeached any time soon, but plenty of people in the admin could face any number of charges. I expect a lot of shady douches from Trump Org are sweating this thing.
because treason is a very, very specific charge and, to my knowledge (and im not a lawyer mind you) the basic qualifications for a charge of treason have not been met.
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."
what aid and comfort was rendered unto russia, where is the quid pro quo that extends beyond basic international diplomacy? did jr levy war against the US?
its 100% possible that some forgotten paralegal drops a daisycutter to a grand jury someplace that actual legal treason was pursued here but even then, look at the sorts who have actually been convicted of treason:
Philip Vigol and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging; pardoned by George Washington; see Whiskey Rebellion.
John Fries, the leader of Fries' Rebellion, convicted of treason in 1800 along with two accomplices, and pardoned that same year by John Adams.
Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; see Dorr Rebellion; released in 1845; civil rights restored in 1851; verdict annulled in 1854.
John Brown, convicted of treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1859 and executed for attempting to organize armed resistance to slavery.
Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown's raid and was executed in 1860 for treason against Virginia.
William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War.
Walter Allen was convicted of treason on September 16, 1922 for taking part in the 1921 Miner's March with the coal companies and the US Army on Blair Mountain, West Virginia. He was sentenced to 10 years and fined. During his appeal to the Supreme Court he disappeared while out on bail. United Mineworkers of America leader William Blizzard was acquitted of the charge of treason by the jury on May 25, 1922.
Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Forces pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen SS in 1944. He was paroled in 1960.
Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence.
Iva Toguri D'Aquino, who is frequently identified by the name "Tokyo Rose," convicted 1949. Subsequently, pardoned by President Gerald Ford.
Mildred Gillars, also known as "Axis Sally", convicted of treason on March 8, 1949; served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence.
Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952, but eventually released by President John F. Kennedy to be deported to Japan.
id say the biggest problem with finding a treason charge against the trumps isnt their guilt or innocence, its the layer upon layer of total bullshit russia has fed into the equation; they dont want anyone convicted of treason, they just want americans to be disgusted with their own country.
and golf claps at that, well bowled putin.
So... Let's just say that hypothetically Jr. is still not telling the entire story and this lawyer did in fact feed him damaging info.
Let's say that this transfer of info is eventually corroborated by a legit source.
Let's also say that that info included the mention of 33,000 emails being leaked... A number that hadn't been mentioned ever before.
Then you have Trump saying something about that exact number the following day.
And, just hypothetically... Let's say it's corroborated that Trump Sr. was given this info that Jr. received.
What then?
FLASHBACK: Trump Teased ‘Major Hillary Speech’ Hours After Don Jr. Confirmed Russian Lawyer MeetingQuote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
http://www.mediaite.com/online/flash...awyer-meeting/
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Originally Posted by vegas1369
"opposition research" probably plays unless you can find someone with enough integrity to pursue 'possession of stolen merchandise' etc etc.
the feds nailed that embedded anon journalist for posting a hyperlink to the h.b. gary swag database dump. i dont consider it a stretch to use that same framework to put shackles on jr.
but look how pot committed the right wing is to trump right now. trump is throwing them a jesus party and that is literally more important to them than whether or not life ends on earth in their grandchildren's lifespan.
so yeah good luck getting them to break ranks and let the fbi/doj do its job.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/u...rump.html?_r=0
no big deal or anything, just trump personally signed off on the farcical narrative that nothing was discussed but adoption.
uhhhhhh
...Joe Scarborough just left the republican party.
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/...bert-late-show
“My party has betrayed their core values.”
Treason is a very specific crime defined in the constitution. It consists of making war against the United States or giving aid and comfort to its enemies, commonly understood to mean actual combat enemies. It requires the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act. I have no problem believing he and others committed crimes, but not treason.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOvenQuote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
How do we know it wasn't treason? Why does anyone believe the meeting didn't amount to anything? Trump Jr has been lying about this from the beginning, including lying about the reason for the meeting on Saturday. So we just believe the Russian gov't agent didn't have much?
If I was in Trumpland, I'd be mostly worried about Mueller. No leaks and a team of veteran investigators and prosecutors spells a lot of trouble for an admin that ignores the advice of counsel and includes a whole lot of dummies. I don't think Trump will be impeached any time soon, but plenty of people in the admin could face any number of charges. I expect a lot of shady douches from Trump Org are sweating this thing.
dish how are you coming to terms with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
for months, trump, his campaign and you have all claimed that there was zero collusion between the trump campaign and the russians.
now trump jr. told a lawyer for the russians that he "loves" the fact that the russian government wants to help trump get elected by giving him damaging hillary information, and he goes to this meeting for the express purpose of hearing russia's clinton intel.
he even says that it would be good if the damaging hillary stuff was released later in the summer. i.e., he wants to orchestrate the timing of the info
isn't that the literal defintion of collusion?
or is the trump talking point now that it was only "attempted collusion."
or is it now, so what if it was collusion, it's not illegal.
how is your brain processing this story?
lol at breitbart london's editor in chief's comments:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/cnn-o...jr-email-dump/Quote:
Raheem Kassam, the editor in chief of Breitbart London, had an unexpected reaction in the aftermath of Don Jr. tweeting out screenshots of his email correspondence with music publicist Rob Goldstone, the man who brokered the meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya.
“So like, this is straight up collusion,” Kassam reportedly wrote, per a transcript of the website’s internal Slack messaging conversations obtained by CNN. “Right?”
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Originally Posted by sonatine
OMFG!!!! THE GUY FROM MSNBC!??!?!?!?
It's not like once upon a time he was a G.O.P member of the house or anything...
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Originally Posted by blake
I just assume its nothing for now cuz it always is. gonna watch the Hannity replay in a cpl hrs and see what jr says, see what happens after a cpl days
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Originally Posted by RealTalk
ya so what I was a huge al gore mark back then
i don't get this response at all. i only repeated what trump jr. has already put out there himself. check his twiter. it's real. i didn't spin this.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedishQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
I just assume its nothing for now cuz it always is. gonna watch the Hannity replay in a cpl hrs and see what jr says, see what happens after a cpl days
do you see how your refusal to comment is an example of cognitive dissonance?
Dish spinning out of control.
This is great...lol
Dish... We're only in the summer bro... Winter is still coming.
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Originally Posted by blakei don't get this response at all. i only repeated what trump jr. has already put out there himself. check his twiter. it's real. i didn't spin this.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
do you see how your refusal to comment is an example of cognitive dissonance?
do u see how u guys are 0 for 30 so therefore I'm not paying attention to 0 for 31 yet really??
do u see how little respect I have for ppl that aren't experts on particular subjects??
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Originally Posted by vegas1369
lol u guys are insufferable when things are going ur way. AND INSUFFERABLE WHEN THEY ARENT. this is why we have an ahole as POTUS
I really don't think winter is ever coming. Such a lame phrase btw, can u stop
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ation-on-trum/
shit will be a nothing burger by the wknd
America: Country of crazy religious extremists...... How do you not want to emigrate if you are not on the bible train?
Nowhere else in the civilized West will you find such diabolical nonsense.
Just look at it. Haha!!
Winter is coming.
2 min he said it, he really said it! Unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlo8yhwzC48
Seeing someone state the obvious on Israeli state run media is a miracle, ill take it.
Yea that can end his career, lets face the horror of how dark things have gotten.
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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
u would prefer a sleazeball like Donald trump to NOT be god fearing?? even if he doesn't believe its a great sign that he respects that ppl do
I'd prefer the whole planet to not be Godfearers. We'd have humans living on mars and little boys wouldn't be getting molested.
The world would be infinitely better than it is today.
So you're saying he's a sleazeball.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedishQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
u would prefer a sleazeball like Donald trump to NOT be god fearing?? even if he doesn't believe its a great sign that he respects that ppl do
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Originally Posted by hongkongerSo you're saying he's a sleazeball.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
always have. but I believe god fearing sleazeballs make the best leaders. gotta be able to see it from all sides. JFK obv HOF sleazeball. bill Clinton sleazeball