So coronavirus is definitely going to kill a few of us.

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So what is everyone's position on the vaccine?

Maybe I should post a poll about this. I'm torn on it.

Part of me wants to take it because I really fear COVID.

Part of me doesn't want to take it until I wait some time and see how people do with it.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer in any way. However, it's true that this thing is rushed. While rushing it makes sense, it's still rushed.

I will also need to decide what to do regarding giving it to Benjamin. That's an even tougher one, because there I'm leaning toward NOT vaccinating him, unless I'm pretty close to 100% sure it's safe. At 10 years old, he's very unlikely to have a bad time with COVID. I do give him the yearly flu vaccine because kids ARE vulnerable to bad effects from the flu. I don't take the flu vaccine, feeling it to be unnecessary at my age.

My parents will take it when it's available, which makes sense because they're old.

I'm in that age range where it's a tough call between taking it right away and waiting.

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Me personally, and not in any way because of some like "personal feeling" this way or that way, I usually just shut up and do mostly what im asked to from Dr's

Taking a flu shot I wouldnt overthink myself honestly. And, its a flu shot at the end of the day. Like anything, flu oriented or a vaccination, it comes with risks and we all understand that, and most take it and not worry. Its a huge math model, 150 Million shots taken if there's 100 life threatening side affects, it happens I personally Know that and dont want to hear more about it maybe lol. But you know and accept that risk, and a lot take it generally.

This whole Covid ordeal is out of hand imo, and Im not in any way shape or form concerned about some not on the market Vaccine myself. Or Covid for that matter, so ill probably end up waiting. Anyway its an interesting subject, and one imo that is still being blown way out of control. Ive had my own real world things to worry about, im not worried about lol a flu virus really, and Ive been tested, its getting annoying.

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I think Pfizer will do everything they would normally do to ensure it is safe and effective, despite working as quickly as possible. It's not going to be available until they're reasonably sure it should be released. Could be next summer or later. And there will be independent medical opinions available about who should take it and when. I might not be first in line but I will get it if that is the public health recommendation.

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Okay, but let's talk about a "public health recommendation".

If the vaccine isn't completely safe, but widespread usage will lead to herd immunity and perhaps the eradication of COVID-19, it's still in the public interest to recommend its usage.

If we had hive mind and only acted 100% in the interest of society, with zero selfish motivations, this would be the right thing for everyone to do.

However, individuals see it differently. Many will choose not to risk their own personal health for the greater goal of herd immunity. This is even more true if the individual isn't likely to benefit much from taking it, such as young people or those with little exposure.

I have a feeling we will get a low percentage cooperation with taking the vaccine for several months, and it will mainly be taken by old and/or vulnerable people.

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Certainly if there are contrary recommendations from credible sources (not anti-vaxxers) I would weigh that in my decision.

Waltsy has acquired the BigDick virus and has a bad strain of it.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

So what is everyone's position on the vaccine?

Maybe I should post a poll about this. I'm torn on it.

Part of me wants to take it because I really fear COVID.

Part of me doesn't want to take it until I wait some time and see how people do with it.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer in any way. However, it's true that this thing is rushed. While rushing it makes sense, it's still rushed.

I will also need to decide what to do regarding giving it to Benjamin. That's an even tougher one, because there I'm leaning toward NOT vaccinating him, unless I'm pretty close to 100% sure it's safe. At 10 years old, he's very unlikely to have a bad time with COVID. I do give him the yearly flu vaccine because kids ARE vulnerable to bad effects from the flu. I don't take the flu vaccine, feeling it to be unnecessary at my age.

My parents will take it when it's available, which makes sense because they're old.

I'm in that age range where it's a tough call between taking it right away and waiting.

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My household has zero issues with taking the vaccine immediately. We want to go to a movie and then spend a looooong night at the nearest dive bar. It's been one hell of a year.

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Much to Druff's chagrin, I no longer feel like I have lower lung capacity, but one factor that is likely a result of COVID is my stamina is shot.

Could be connected to overall lower physical activity as a result of working from home, but I find myself COMPLETELY gassed after a strenuous exercise.

For example: normally a long run (10-12 miles) would maybe render me a bit sore the morning after but no other effects day of, etc. I ran 11 yesterday, was completely physically/mentally exhausted for the rest of the day and still feel drained today. Normally run 6x per week but have scaled back frequency because I simply feel wiped some days.

I climbed Mount Adams in June both in 2019 and 2020 (post-COVID), and was fucking shot for days this year.

Hoping this will also dissipate but intuitively feel like it may be permanent to some extent.

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I want to be out of shape like you. I could run that distance for about 6 months in my life before 16. Last year I wanted to test myself. Got 4 in and my lungs felt like they were going to explode. I stick to the elliptical. I promised myself when I was sick if I ever got well I would run a marathon. Instead I got divorced, moved in with a stripper, and did cocaine for most of 3 years. The best laid plans...

Your lesser capacity sounds pretty top 2%.

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LOL not the best examples.

But also holds true for shorter runs (3-4 miles) that used to be effortless, and even for shit like carrying around my son for an hour or so, moving boxes around etc.

Some of this could be a result of not going to the gym since March and from being worn out from having a baby, but I've been worn out in other scenarios before and never felt like it impacted my stamina like this.

Cliffs: take COVID seriously and don't get lazy with preventative measures.

some things to remember about the pfizer vaccine

- it requires storage at 30 degrees below the temperature of the south pole

- there is an incredibly long line of people who are essential / front line workers who would receive it months before any of us would even have the option, so long before we really had to choose, we would have a pretty solid pool of data regarding first hand experiences with side effects etc

- it was developed 100% outside the sphere of influence of the trump administration / pence jesus superfans covid team, meaning its actually a valid scientific effort and not some cheeseball stock pump and dump scheme

- regardless of whether or not we end up rolling with it, the fact that we know to target the spike protein is of immeasurable value to parallel efforts

so yeah i have a good feeling about spring/summer. not a great feeling but a good one.

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some things to remember about the pfizer vaccine

- it requires storage at 30 degrees below the temperature of the south pole

- there is an incredibly long line of people who are essential / front line workers who would receive it months before any of us would even have the option, so long before we really had to choose, we would have a pretty solid pool of data regarding first hand experiences with side effects etc

- it was developed 100% outside the sphere of influence of the trump administration / pence jesus superfans covid team, meaning its actually a valid scientific effort and not some cheeseball stock pump and dump scheme

- regardless of whether or not we end up rolling with it, the fact that we know to target the spike protein is of immeasurable value to parallel efforts

so yeah i have a good feeling about spring/summer. not a great feeling but a good one.

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just stay in your house, the world is doing fine without you

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some things to remember about the pfizer vaccine

- it requires storage at 30 degrees below the temperature of the south pole

- there is an incredibly long line of people who are essential / front line workers who would receive it months before any of us would even have the option, so long before we really had to choose, we would have a pretty solid pool of data regarding first hand experiences with side effects etc

- it was developed 100% outside the sphere of influence of the trump administration / pence jesus superfans covid team, meaning its actually a valid scientific effort and not some cheeseball stock pump and dump scheme

- regardless of whether or not we end up rolling with it, the fact that we know to target the spike protein is of immeasurable value to parallel efforts

so yeah i have a good feeling about spring/summer. not a great feeling but a good one.

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https://news.yahoo.com/so-is-pfizer-...175429888.html



Still, the issue is somewhat more complicated than what social media may lead one to believe.

Operation Warp Speed was started in the spring as “a public-private partnership to facilitate, at an unprecedented pace, the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 countermeasures,” according to the Trump administration’s own description of the program.

While other pharmaceutical companies did take federal funds to develop a vaccine, Pfizer declined to do so, the only one of the major prospective developers to go it alone.

At the same time, on July 22, Pfizer agreed to a $1.95 billion deal with the Trump administration “for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval.”

Technically, that agreement has nothing to do with the development of the vaccine. But it also appears to undermine the claim that Pfizer is operating entirely outside Operation Warp Speed.

A senior administration official told Yahoo News that since “the early days of March when President Trump convened pharmaceutical companies at the White House, Pfizer has been a part of the incredible public-private partnership forged to combat the coronavirus pandemic. Additionally, the nearly 2 billion dollars awarded to Pfizer will go a long way in the manufacturing and distribution of the Pfizer vaccine in development.”


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You can leave your cabin next year

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You can leave your cabin next year

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i mean yeah in theory

Update on my sister

her blood sugar is back to normal
she had to do dialysis today so were waiting to hear results of how that went. She hasn't been able to urinate

the ventilator was at 60% capacity now it's @ 30



I will know more tomorrow and will update when I do

thanks to everyone for wishing her well

up to 10,000,000 infected

I take the flu vaccine every year and have never had the flu. So if they're promising me something that will get me back into dive bars and movie theaters, I'm all the fuck in.

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Comparing each state's COVID-19 cases to how they voted in the 2020 Presidential election.

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It's every Trumptard's god-given right to get sick and die.

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Here is a list of states from Worldometer taken today sorted by deaths/million. As you can see is pretty much all Biden voting states at the top. So it looks like the real story is that Biden voting states generally have actually had much HIGHER disease prevalence, but much. lower detection. The main reason for this is probably they were hit early when screening and detection was more or less nonexistent, and is more of a geographical issue than a political one. That being said, the chart is selectively showing data to push a political motivated narrative that isn't particularly true.


1 New Jersey 269,371 16,607 185,685 67,079 30,327 1,870 5,084,793 572,471 8,882,190 [view by county] [1] [projections]
2 New York 577,857 33,898 427,369 116,590 29,704 1,743 16,068,566 825,996 19,453,561 [view by county] [1] [2] [3] [projections]
3 Massachusetts 177,541 10,222 142,264 25,055 25,759 1,483 6,906,649 1,002,052 6,892,503 [1] [projections]
4 Connecticut 84,741 4,716 45,860 34,165 23,768 1,323 2,633,797 738,734 3,565,287 [1] [2] [projections]
5 Louisiana 189,682 6,058 172,210 11,414 40,802 1,303 2,919,903 628,099 4,648,794 [view by county] [1] [projections]
6 Mississippi 129,394 3,497 111,430 14,467 43,477 1,175 1,152,661 387,299 2,976,149 [1] [2] [3] [projections]
7 Rhode Island 39,776 1,243 3,020 35,513 37,547 1,173 1,281,145 1,209,356 1,059,361 [1] [2] [projections]
8 District Of Columbia 18,379 657 14,036 3,686 26,042 931 567,062 803,490 705,749 [1] [projections]
9 North Dakota 57,373 686 45,031 11,656 75,287 900 313,606 411,523 762,062 [1] [2] [projections]
10 Arizona 265,163 6,228 43,682 215,253 36,430 856 2,235,120 307,076 7,278,717 [1] [projections]
11 Illinois 523,840 10,798 300,775 212,267 41,339 852 8,664,483 683,760 12,671,821 [1] [2] [3] [4] [projections]
12 Georgia 413,894 8,806 254,960 150,128 38,983 829 4,126,624 388,665 10,617,423 [1] [2] [projections]
13 Michigan 251,872 8,136 128,981 114,755 25,220 815 5,873,130 588,086 9,986,857 [1] [2] [3] [4] [projections]
14 Florida 858,012 17,301 606,325 234,386 39,949 806 10,714,303 498,856 21,477,737 [view by county] [1] [2] [3] [projections]
15 South Carolina 188,995 4,076 97,765 87,154 36,707 792 2,225,627 432,269 5,148,714 [1] [2] [3] [projections]
USA Total 10,708,630 247,397 6,648,679 3,812,554 32,352 747 161,916,982 489,171
16 Delaware 27,342 724 14,380 12,238 28,079 744 369,131 379,076 973,764 [1] [projections]
17 Pennsylvania 248,144 9,226 172,791 66,127 19,383 721 3,028,274 236,547 12,801,989 [view by county] [1] [projections]
18 Indiana 224,374 4,762 139,444 80,168 33,328 707 3,307,845 491,345 6,732,219 [1] [2] [projections]
19 Arkansas 126,197 2,126 110,365 13,706 41,817 704 1,542,003 510,969 3,017,804 [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [projections]
20 Maryland 158,423 4,249 8,313 145,861 26,204 703 3,729,915 616,955 6,045,680 [1] [projections]
21 Texas 1,055,199 19,573 855,503 180,123 36,391 675 9,968,721 343,798 28,995,881 [view by county] [1] [2] [projections]
22 Alabama 208,637 3,201 84,471 120,965 42,551 653 1,488,339 303,545 4,903,185 [1] [projections]
23 South Dakota 58,696 567 40,668 17,461 66,349 641 283,120 320,033 884,659 [1] [projections]
24 Nevada 113,411 1,877 74,662 36,872 36,820 609 1,362,884 442,472 3,080,156 [1] [2] [projections]
25 Iowa 166,844 1,900 104,225 60,719 52,881 602 1,061,327 336,388 3,155,070 [1] [2] [projections]
26 Missouri 231,651 3,479 60,023 168,149 37,744 567 2,859,111 465,848 6,137,428 [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [projections]
27 New Mexico 59,034 1,158 23,736 34,140 28,154 552 1,317,248 628,210 2,096,829 [1] [2] [projections]
28 Tennessee 293,381 3,761 259,438 30,182 42,960 551 3,955,150 579,155 6,829,174 [1] [2] [3] [projections]
29 Minnesota 194,570 2,810 157,164 34,596 34,500 498 3,194,842 566,498 5,639,632 [1] [2] [projections]
30 Ohio 267,356 5,656 191,950 69,750 22,872 484 4,994,937 427,316 11,689,100 [view by county] [1] [2] [3] [projections]
31 California 996,070 18,107 503,132 474,831 25,209 458 20,222,235 511,797 39,512,223 [view by county] [1] [projections]
32 North Carolina 300,561 4,698 261,719 34,144 28,657 448 4,446,251 423,934 10,488,084 [1] [2] [3] [projections]
33 Montana 42,070 472 24,594 17,004 39,363 442 547,728 512,481 1,068,778 [1] [2] [3] [4] [projections]
34 Virginia 196,506 3,741 21,716 171,049 23,022 438 3,073,701 360,107 8,535,519 [1] [2] [projections]
35 Colorado 142,402 2,443 50,282 89,677 24,728 424 1,387,268 240,898 5,758,736 [1] [projections]
36 Wisconsin 285,891 2,457 219,304 64,130 49,102 422 2,235,759 383,990 5,822,434 [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [projections]
37 Kansas 110,521 1,215 71,106 38,200 37,937 417 704,943 241,973 2,913,314 [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [projections]
38 Idaho 77,121 733 33,330 43,058 43,155 410 565,671 316,536 1,787,065 [1] [2] [3] [projections]
39 Nebraska 87,733 730 49,761 37,242 45,354 377 639,788 330,741 1,934,408 [1] [2] [projections]
40 Oklahoma 142,334 1,470 119,144 21,720 35,970 371 1,759,745 444,720 3,956,971 [1] [2] [3] [projections]
41 New Hampshire 13,148 492 10,262 2,394 9,670 362 403,090 296,453 1,359,711 [1] [2] [projections]
42 Kentucky 127,344 1,604 23,165 102,575 28,503 359 2,269,592 508,003 4,467,673 [1] [2] [3] [projections]
43 Washington 125,565 2,492 55,560 67,513 16,489 327 2,644,425 347,270 7,614,893 [view by county] [1] [projections]
44 West Virginia 30,201 553 21,877 7,771 16,852 309 871,867 486,493 1,792,147 [1] [projections]
45 Wyoming 19,374 127 11,098 8,149 33,475 219 305,408 527,695 578,759 [1] [2] [projections]
46 Utah 139,720 678 97,269 41,773 43,581 211 1,654,240 515,989 3,205,958 [1] [projections]
47 Oregon 52,770 742 N/A N/A 12,511 176 925,698 219,477 4,217,737 [1] [2] [3] [projections]
48 Hawaii 16,205 222 12,006 3,977 11,445 157 574,852 406,006 1,415,872 [1] [2] [3] [4] [projections]
49 Alaska 20,207 96 6,511 13,600 27,622 131 834,590 1,140,859 731,545 [1] [projections]
50 Maine 8,202 158 6,226 1,818 6,102 118 716,057 532,696 1,344,212 [1] [2] [projections]
51 Vermont

My wife is a front line health care worker and she is definitely concerned she is going to be forced to take a vaccine before it is proven that one is safe.

Full disclosure she isn't full on Jenny McCarthy, but she actually has a little anti-vaccer in her, mainly in that she believes based partly on what she sees empirically that vaccines have a lot more serious side effects than reported and the medical community is actively suppressing this.

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I take the flu vaccine every year and have never had the flu. So if they're promising me something that will get me back into dive bars and movie theaters, I'm all the fuck in.

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And casinos.

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My wife is a front line health care worker and she is definitely concerned she is going to be forced to take a vaccine before it is proven that one is safe.

Full disclosure she isn't full on Jenny McCarthy, but she actually has a little anti-vaccer in her, mainly in that she believes based partly on what she sees empirically that vaccines have a lot more serious side effects than reported and the medical community is actively suppressing this.

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Actually empirically, or do you mean anecdotally?

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My wife is a front line health care worker and she is definitely concerned she is going to be forced to take a vaccine before it is proven that one is safe.

Full disclosure she isn't full on Jenny McCarthy, but she actually has a little anti-vaccer in her, mainly in that she believes based partly on what she sees empirically that vaccines have a lot more serious side effects than reported and the medical community is actively suppressing this.

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Actually empirically, or do you mean anecdotally?

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Empirically. Although could just be confirmation bias. She swears kids come in sick with weird shit way more than normal right after getting vaccinations, but she isn't exactly doing double blind trials, so who knows.

I should emphasize she isn't an anti-vaxxer. She recommends all the kids she sees get vaccinations and our kids are vaccinated, at least enough to go to public school. But she isn't exactly buying the narrative hook line and sinker. I personally am fine with vaccinations, but I am also not paranoid about getting sick. I wear my mask in public, but other than that I am pretty much over Covid. Just gonna do what I am gonna do.

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Actually empirically, or do you mean anecdotally?

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Empirically. Although could just be confirmation bias. She swears kids come in sick with weird shit way more than normal right after getting vaccinations, but she isn't exactly doing double blind trials, so who knows.

I should emphasize she isn't an anti-vaxxer. She recommends all the kids she sees get vaccinations and our kids are vaccinated, at least enough to go to public school. But she isn't exactly buying the narrative hook line and sinker. I personally am fine with vaccinations, but I am also not paranoid about getting sick. I wear my mask in public, but other than that I am pretty much over Covid. Just gonna do what I am gonna do.

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That's anecdotally.

Some of you who were on Donkdown might remember when I got shingles in 2010. This was very unfortunately timed, as the symptoms arrived 2 days before Benjamin was born, and my girlfriend figured out what I had just 5 minutes before her water broke.

I couldn't hold my only child for the first month of his life. Brutal.

Anyway, I am convinced that I got shingles as a result of the DPT vaccine. Yes, I understand that shingles is simply the chicken pox virus which lies dormant in your body for life, and then reactivates when it finds an opportunity -- usually an immune-system hiccup of some sort. But I believe that opportunity was created by the DPT shot.

In the second half of 2010, I was plagued with the worst run of colds in my life. It was unclear why this happened, and I didn't get many colds the following year. However, I was getting so many colds that it was getting tough to find a window where I could get two shots I needed as the father of a soon-to-be newborn: The flu shot and the DPT (whooping cough) booster shot.

Finally, in October, I got both within about a week of each other, only to be greeted by yet another cold -- this time a particularly bad one. About 2.5 weeks after the DPT shot, I got shingles.

It was my belief that the DPT vaccine, perhaps combined with the effects of the earlier flu shot and the subsequent cold, caused some kind of temporary immune disorder which allowed the shingles to break through.

I googled it and initially found nothing. However, about 2 years later, I googled it again, and came across two separate forum discussions about shingles and the DPT shot. There were loads of people in those threads who described my exact experience -- getting the DPT shot, and then getting shingles 2.5 weeks later. In fact, lots of people listed the timeframe specifically as "2 1/2 weeks", which was pretty amazing.

The following year, I was browsing Twitter and some Asian female poker player tweeted that she was pregnant, was just diagnosed with shingles, and had received the DPT shot "2 1/2 weeks ago".

However, there's been no clinical studies on this, and it seems there's not any interest in doing any. It is likely (in my opinion) that the DPT booster shot does bring on shingles in some adults -- even young ones -- but nobody in the medical community is talking about it.

This, of course, is all anecdotal. But it gives me pause when I think of the COVID vaccine. There are lots of weird side effects you'd never guess could be connected to vaccines. Who would have ever thought shingles and the DPT shot could be related?

Anyway, I'm really at the exact age where it's a tough decision. If I were 70, I would 100% take the vaccine at the first opportunity. If I were 30, I would not take the vaccine. At this age, it's a tough call when to take it.

I do agree with sonatine that we won't have access to it for awhile, given that it's going to the healthcare workers, old people, and those with major preexisting conditions first. That counts out most people here.

TODGERS IMMUNE SYSTEM FOLKS