for those wondering if bernie is going to absolutely harvest trump's soul in an election, this is him talking some Real Shit with a fucking fox news audience:
for those wondering if bernie is going to absolutely harvest trump's soul in an election, this is him talking some Real Shit with a fucking fox news audience:
I have to admit the formats of the debates make him come off crazier than he really is. Going on Joe Rogan was one of the smarter things he ever did because he was able to comfortably explain himself. I haven’t looked when his uptick started but I wonder if it was around the time of that interview. I’ve always thought he was the most genuine candidate by miles but I can’t get behind the extreme components of his plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Yeah it's weird. Bernie has the smarts to demolish Trump in a debate. But a few are speculating there will be no debate. At which point Democrats should just wage a media war outlying what a piece of shit Trump is as a human.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Left or Right is almost irrelevant when you have a psychotic at the helm and whose track record says it all.
bernie's appeal to the forgotten middle to lower-middle class is actually similar to trump's message. i think he'd have a chance against trump, but he has to hedge on medicare for all.
i still think running on taking away your private insurance in favor of government funded healthcare is too scary for most people. the average person is covered by insurance and likes it (rightly or wrongly), and will never dig deep and critically analyze (or even understand) the merits of his proposal. he needs to pivot to a public option like the other candidates with the unspoken goal being medicare for all down the road.
yeah butQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
The average bible thumping racist red nick doesn't think like you
The problem with a Public-option-now-but-Medical-for-all plan private insurance companies would dump their higher risk policyholders, who in turn would load up the federally-funded insurance fund with higher cost policyholders, and the ballooning cost of the public option policies would be used as political ammunition to drive down support for adopting Medicare-for-all. That would be a repeat of what the GOP has already done with Obamacare plans when they gutted the individual mandate penalty, which effectively allows potential lower cost policyholders to not be required to help fund Obamacare policies, which in turn makes them more expensive to those seeking health insurance coverage through such a plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
But you raise a good point, but it should be rephrased to expose the truth of why many currently prefer their private health insurance: They have been fooled by a well-crafted and executed propaganda campaign by the health insurance industry about how much “choice” they have with private health insurance. David Doel, of The Rational National show, explains using coverage of a series of recent tweets by Wendell Potter, the former PR exec for Cigna.
https://youtu.be/o2Pnb8C4DX0
Cory Booker has dropped out, and the Washington Post leads with an headline about how “less diverse” the Dem presidential primary has become with him dropping out.
Sen. Cory Booker exits the Democratic presidential primary, making the field less diverse
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-less-diverse/
FFS, people!!! Cory Booker is one of the biggest corporate-backed oreos in modern American politics! If Cornell West had been running and dropped out, this headline would have been legit. Hell! If I were Black, I’d be disappointed at that, because Brother West would have brought real diversity to the nomination race. But I’m gonna still love it when President-Elect Sanders invites Dr. West to be a White House advisor.
[Cue dwai red repping me with his trademark “n-word lover” comment.]
More evidence of establishment media attempting to smear Bernie Sanders, along with a *very* bad move by Warren and her campaign to use that smear to boost their fundraising and position in the polls.
https://youtu.be/9JZXj7hN1ZI
:facepalm
Cory Booker's only qualification for running was being U.S. Senator and wasting huge amounts of money when he was mayor of Newark, New Jersey.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
Look at the bright side.
He can still get a job at Facebook.
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Got that right boyQuote:
Originally Posted by limitlesyeah butQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
The average bible thumping racist red nick doesn't think like you
OBAMACAREQuote:
Originally Posted by splitthisGot that right boyQuote:
Originally Posted by limitles
BOO
The Sanders/Warren feud is heating up. "Sources" leaked to CNN that in a 2018 meeting between Sanders and Warren, Sanders told Warren that a woman couldn't win. Sanders outright denied the claim, essentially calling the "sources" liars, and that the accusation is being made by people who weren't even in the room. Warren, instead of saying "of course that's not true", declined to comment on the story.
Here's what I think is happening. Warren is gearing up to use this as an attack in the debate. Warren's people leaked this story to CNN the day before the debate, which is being hosted on CNN. Now CNN basically has to bring it up during the debate, and Warren can confirm that it's true and use it as an attack on Bernie. This is much better than her bringing it up on her own out of the blue. And how is Bernie going to respond? He can't accuse Warren of not being in the room. Will Bernie just call Warren a liar? Not exactly a great look. Progressives are supposed to #BelieveWomen after all.
My guess as to what actually happened. Bernie didn't make a sexist comment but rather said something like it's more difficult for a woman to win, in an attempt to dissuade Warren from running. But Bernie will probably have difficulty spinning that, so he'll probably just deny it outright (which is what he's been doing).
And once again the heat is being taken off the actual frontrunner, Biden. At this rate, Biden's gonna win Iowa and it could be a rather non-dramatic primary with Biden practically sweeping. If he wins Iowa, it's all over.
more or less this is what i expect was said: "this country is fucking terrible and it would never elect a woman which is why hillary lost."
the reason warren's camp would trot this out is because a script was released where the berniebros are basically describing warren to voters as "their second favorite candidate" which is being spun as a negative attack because (as mentioned) warren is panicking.
Biden being being a front runner is because he's the closest thing Democrats can come to being Republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIT this
Who knows it may work in the Un United States but how proud are those who choose Biden as a leader?
Woof. Iowa is 3 weeks out.
The Left Doesn’t Want a Biden Nomination — But It’s Split on How to Stop Him
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n?srnd=premium
Even if Joe Biden gets more votes, Elizabeth Warren will give her delegates to Bernie Sanders which will give him the Democratic nomination for President.Quote:
Progressive Democrats are growing increasingly concerned that their preferred presidential candidates Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders risk splitting the movement’s vote and handing the Democratic nomination to Joe Biden.
The anxieties have led to calls by some for one of the two candidates to drop out before the March 3 “Super Tuesday” contests and endorse the other, in order to coalesce the left behind one standard-bearer. But others reject that approach and say both Sanders and Warren should stay in to amass delegates and join forces at the nominating convention in July.
“A movement can’t have two leaders. There needs to be one going into Super Tuesday,” said Sean McElwee, a progressive organizer and co-founder of the research firm Data for Progress, who called for a pre-Super Tuesday winnowing to unify behind one candidate.
Larry Cohen, a former union leader who chairs the pro-Sanders group Our Revolution, called that a “terrible strategy.” He wants Democrats to nominate Sanders or Warren over a moderate Democrat, but said both should continue to campaign through the primary calendar, rack up delegates, and contest the convention if needed.
The dispute comes as Biden remains the front-runner, in part thanks to strong support from black voters who have picked the nominee in every Democratic primary since 1992. His enduring lead concerns progressives who view 2020 as a rare opportunity to redefine the party in their populist image after decades of nominating centrists like Barack Obama, John Kerry and both Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Competitive Race
Sanders and Warren round out the top three in national polls. Iowa, the first contest, is highly competitive — a poll released Friday by the Des Moines Register and CNN found Sanders leading the pack with Pete Buttigieg, Warren and Biden closely behind, but a separate survey published Monday by Monmouth showed Biden ahead of his rivals.
And it’s not clear Sanders and Warren would team up. A longstanding nonaggression pact between the two appeared to fizzle over the weekend after Politico reported that Sanders volunteers were directed by the campaign to tell voters that Warren’s base is limited to upscale and educated people, to which Warren told reporters she’s “disappointed to hear that Bernie is sending his volunteers out to trash me.” Sanders blamed staff for the move.
Recent polling by Morning Consult found that Warren is the top second-choice preference for Sanders voters nationally, and that Sanders is the top second-choice preference for Warren voters. But the survey showed that Biden would be the second choice for about one-fourth of each candidate’s supporters.
Cohen argued that if Sanders and Warren combine for a majority of the pledged delegates they’ll have a persuasive argument at the July convention that one of the two movement progressives should be the nominee, even if Biden leads all other rivals in the delegate count.
“I would totally oppose either one dropping out. It’d be a huge mistake,” Cohen said. “Their voters do not overlap — they’re not a single circle. There’s a huge number of voters who wouldn’t even vote for the other. So you need to maximize the elected delegates for the two candidates through June,” when the primaries finish.
That’s easier said than done, because party rules say that if a candidate drops out, he or she can’t compel delegates to back their second choice. They become free agents.
‘Corporate Wing’
The group Democracy For America is planning to launch a grassroots effort aimed at defeating what it calls “the corporate wing” of the Democratic Party and ensuring a Sanders or Warren nomination. The nightmare scenario for the left is that Buttigieg shines in the early states and blunts momentum for the progressives before they battle Biden in the critical March contests.
“It’s especially important that we do everything we can, as the iterative contest goes on, for progressive voters to unite to defeat the corporate wing,” said Neil Sroka, a spokesman for Democracy For America.
Democracy for America
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@DFAaction
.@BernieSanders and @ewarren, you both are progressive champs & our movement needs to see you working together to defeat your corporate Dem opponents -- not attack each other.
Progressives will win in 2020, but only if we don't let the corporate wing or Trump divide us. 🤝
The battle within the party is unnerving Democratic leaders and strategists, whose overarching priority is to defeat President Donald Trump. But the internal divisions are born of a disagreement about how to win the presidency. The establishment wing says a moderate nominee is critical to attracting swing voters, while liberals say an insurgent with bold ideas is needed to inspire voters.
Progressive voters are torn between Warren, the ex-professor and anti-Wall Street crusader known for her policy plans, and the 2016 runner-up and Franklin Delano Roosevelt acolyte who has been consistently promoting economic populism for three decades in Congress. While both are strong with “very liberal” voters, Warren performs better with older people and mainstream Democrats, while Sanders is stronger with younger voters and independents.
People close to the Sanders and Warren campaigns say neither team has been thinking seriously about dropping out early, and that both are focused on winning Iowa and New Hampshire. The two campaigns are building grassroots operations across the country far beyond the early states, a sign that both are bruising for a long battle.
It’s not clear either would exit and make way for the other in a hurry.
“If both finish in the top three, neither is going to drop out and endorse the other” after the first two contests, said Brian Fallon, a former spokesman for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign. “It’s pundit brain to think one of them would submit to the other in that scenario.”
http://i.imgur.com/Iv6L3Zi.jpg
a strong case could be made that a lot of biden voters would vote for trump if warren or sanders won the democratic primary.
however, no sanders or warren voters would vote for trump if biden won the democratic primary. they might stay home, but they wouldn't vote trump.
Right but the other than Biden voters won't stay home. There is a job to be done and anything but Trump is itQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
Lose the battle, win the war
also, supporters of other candidates like mayor pete or klobuchar might vote trump over bernie.
warren would lose 50 states if she somehow won a brokered convention
If any Democrat or any person not tied to the Republican doctrine votes Trump then they will get what they deserve. A public servant, which is what it's supposed to be about, does not profit directly from their post.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
That is just one strike amongst many against Trump which is ignored by too many
Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyThe problem with a Public-option-now-but-Medical-for-all plan private insurance companies would dump their higher risk policyholders, who in turn would load up the federally-funded insurance fund with higher cost policyholders, and the ballooning cost of the public option policies would be used as political ammunition to drive down support for adopting Medicare-for-all. That would be a repeat of what the GOP has already done with Obamacare plans when they gutted the individual mandate penalty, which effectively allows potential lower cost policyholders to not be required to help fund Obamacare policies, which in turn makes them more expensive to those seeking health insurance coverage through such a plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
But you raise a good point, but it should be rephrased to expose the truth of why many currently prefer their private health insurance: They have been fooled by a well-crafted and executed propaganda campaign by the health insurance industry about how much “choice” they have with private health insurance. David Doel, of The Rational National show, explains using coverage of a series of recent tweets by Wendell Potter, the former PR exec for Cigna.
https://youtu.be/o2Pnb8C4DX0
For once, Mumbles in correct.
The public option is a lot of nonsense for several reasons. It can't exist at the same time as private insurance in the US marketplace. It is based upon the incorrect premise that insurance company profits are the reason healthcare in the US is so expensive. The fact is that insurance profits are only 0.6% of all healthcare expenditures.
Indeed, if a public option exists, one of the side effects will be the high risk patients moving to the public option, thus driving up the cost of the public option and making it unfeasible.
Even if the mandate to not reject patients for preexiting conditions remains in place for private insurance (thus leveling the playing field), there will still be the problem where many doctors simply won't accept the public insurance, as they will get paid less than insurers pay them. And if it's mandated that doctors have to accept the public option, they might de-prioritize those patients. And if they can't de-prioritize those patients, then private insurance will fail, and everyone will be forced onto the public "option".
I don't think Bernie will compromise, anyway. He's no Elizabeth Warren. He has his ideas, whether crazy or not, and he's gonna push them. He's not going to sell out. He really thinks that he can convince the country that Medicare For All is what they need.
Oddly, Bernie has not explained what he will do to address the doctor shortage in the US, which will get several times worse under Medicare For All.
Also, Republicans have done a poor job (thus far at least) educating the public about the crippling wait times in socialized systems for non-emergency tests and specialist visits. 4 months is the wait time in the UK. 4 fucking months. Once Americans learn this, most will abandon the support for such a system.
Warren has now put out a statement addressing this reporting and saying of the meeting with Bernie, “Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed.”
https://www.mediaite.com/news/elizab...-he-disagreed/
this is about to go nuclear as fuck
Last year, 62 CEOs of health-care companies made a combined total of $1.1 billion in compensation. That's according to a new report out from Axios, which coincidentally notes that CEO compensation eclipses what the Centers for Disease Control spent on chronic disease prevention by $157 million. That comparison might make the executive compensation seem galling, but a look at the bigger picture...doesn't make it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffQuote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
For once, Mumbles in correct.
The public option is a lot of nonsense for several reasons. It can't exist at the same time as private insurance in the US marketplace. It is based upon the incorrect premise that insurance company profits are the reason healthcare in the US is so expensive. The fact is that insurance profits are only 0.6% of all healthcare expenditures.
Indeed, if a public option exists, one of the side effects will be the high risk patients moving to the public option, thus driving up the cost of the public option and making it unfeasible.
Even if the mandate to not reject patients for preexiting conditions remains in place for private insurance (thus leveling the playing field), there will still be the problem where many doctors simply won't accept the public insurance, as they will get paid less than insurers pay them. And if it's mandated that doctors have to accept the public option, they might de-prioritize those patients. And if they can't de-prioritize those patients, then private insurance will fail, and everyone will be forced onto the public "option".
I don't think Bernie will compromise, anyway. He's no Elizabeth Warren. He has his ideas, whether crazy or not, and he's gonna push them. He's not going to sell out. He really thinks that he can convince the country that Medicare For All is what they need.
Oddly, Bernie has not explained what he will do to address the doctor shortage in the US, which will get several times worse under Medicare For All.
Also, Republicans have done a poor job (thus far at least) educating the public about the crippling wait times in socialized systems for non-emergency tests and specialist visits. 4 months is the wait time in the UK. 4 fucking months. Once Americans learn this, most will abandon the support for such a system.
In 2018, each of those executives made an average of nearly $18 million, before taxes at least. Meanwhile, Americans are borrowing as much as $88 billion annually to pay for medical expenses, which goes a long way toward explaining why an estimated one out of every five Americans is reportedly struggling with either medical bills or debt. One study found that millennials alone made up the largest chunk of people in the U.S. with medical debt, and those numbers are likely to get even worse if the current lawsuit against the Affordable Care Act is upheld in the Supreme Court.
https://www.gq.com/story/eat-the-health-care-ceos
Yeah insurance is not a for profit business...ha ha. Anytime personal profit is available you will find profiteers who just don't give a shit. Health care/insurance should not be provided at the whim of anyone. The history of your country is laden with such foolishness. But you don't know, most of you anyway
IT'S LIT!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
Lol, she's such a bitch. She's pushing the story while saying she doesn't want to make this a story
this is an incredible burger of nothingness
whats the current line on bernie?
Bernie's 100% right.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
Just ask Hillary Clinton.
I'm sure Elizabeth Warren knows this too.
A woman will never become President of the United States.
Warren will give up all her delegates at the Democratic convention and Bernie might make her his Vice President.
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Agreed. And it’s a huge mistake by Warren and her team to be taking this tack at this juncture. Because it only will serve to damage her reputation when the truth of the matter becomes better known.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIT this
https://youtu.be/fQQqoZ53C5k
P.S. Please repost the screenshot with Warren’s detailed comments that you uploaded improperly in your OP, as her comments are a damning indictment of her duplicity regarding this matter.
Why this weird-ass font?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesLast year, 62 CEOs of health-care companies made a combined total of $1.1 billion in compensation. That's according to a new report out from Axios, which coincidentally notes that CEO compensation eclipses what the Centers for Disease Control spent on chronic disease prevention by $157 million. That comparison might make the executive compensation seem galling, but a look at the bigger picture...doesn't make it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
In 2018, each of those executives made an average of nearly $18 million, before taxes at least. Meanwhile, Americans are borrowing as much as $88 billion annually to pay for medical expenses, which goes a long way toward explaining why an estimated one out of every five Americans is reportedly struggling with either medical bills or debt. One study found that millennials alone made up the largest chunk of people in the U.S. with medical debt, and those numbers are likely to get even worse if the current lawsuit against the Affordable Care Act is upheld in the Supreme Court.
https://www.gq.com/story/eat-the-health-care-ceos
Yeah insurance is not a for profit business...ha ha. Anytime personal profit is available you will find profiteers who just don't give a shit. Health care/insurance should not be provided at the whim of anyone. The history of your country is laden with such foolishness. But you don't know, most of you anyway
Anyway, I didn't say insurance is not-for-profit.
I'm saying that the healthcare industry in the US is so huge that the seemingly large profits in the industry actually make up less than 1% of all expenditures.
Thus, even if all insurance profits were taken out of existence, we would save less than 1% on healthcare.
Pocahontas is such scamming trash but I think James okeefe might have some goods on Bernie tmrw
Warren is turning out to be almost as shifty and phony as Hillary Clinton.
There really is nothing genuine about her.
The funny thing is that a genuine version of Warren would have been a really strong candidate and probably would have won the nomination. People are rapidly getting tired of her bullshit.
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Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
I feel like Booker in a lot of ways will be “The Kasich” of this election cycle. After Trunp beats Warren/Sanders and the post election polls show that moderates didn’t want a socialist but would have voted for a democrat so long as they were to the right of Chaiman Mao Booker will be seen as the guy who could have won if things went different.
Also, Bernie voters are still bitter about what Hillary and the DNC did to him in 2016.
Anything that looks like a backdoor attempt to fuck him in 2020 will be viewed very harshly. This is going to backfire, but I guess it's a Hail Mary by Warren, since she sees her chances rapidly slipping away.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
Biden is one brain lock from second place. Druff is gonna have to sweat Old Joe’s mental health like a NBA under.
Massachusetts knew her best. No one locally endorsed her and we typically love our Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Phony. I think even cousin Tootie would admit the same
Remember your buddy James Rockford? The studios had a strange habit of making profits disappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Rockford was more famous for his litigation over phony accounting than his movie credits.
Similar principle.
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Originally Posted by TheXFactor
where can i get 10-1 on mayor pete?Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Biden is one brain lock from second place. Druff is gonna have to sweat Old Joe’s mental health like a NBA under.
Even if the healthcare companies, are making 5 times what they claim, we're still talking 3% of total expenditures of healthcare.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarRemember your buddy James Rockford? The studios had a strange habit of making profits disappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Rockford was more famous for his litigation over phony accounting than his movie credits.
Similar principle.
It's simply not the real problem we're facing. It's an easy talking point because Bernie can yell, "Healthcare companies are taking BILLIONS OUTTA THE ECONOMY" and be correct. But billions compared to trillions is still a drop in the bucket.