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Originally Posted by thesidedish
i can totally see why you would feel that way, given that no one with better than a public high school education takes you seriously.
drain the swamp lol dude.. who do you think got him elected?
WHAT? is this a Russia joke??
Send you back to RussiaQuote:
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WHAT? is this a Russia joke??
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Originally Posted by hongkongerSend you back to RussiaQuote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
"all the Russia stuff is true"
"huma abedin is a great advisor"
COUNTRY UNDER LIBERAL CONTROL
Well, yes. That and the fact that the US health care system is the best in the world by a factor of 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by WiganerAnd manages to spend a far greater of its GDP on healthcare than countries with "socialised healthcare" for worse outcomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
A group of egomaniacal dicks who thought they could shovel an unlikeble cunt down the countries throat?Quote:
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Originally Posted by thesidedish
i can totally see why you would feel that way, given that no one with better than a public high school education takes you seriously.
drain the swamp lol dude.. who do you think got him elected?
You talking about UB?Quote:
Originally Posted by DalyA group of egomaniacal dicks who thought they could shovel an unlikeble cunt down the countries throat?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
At least there's finally starting to be some talk regarding the COST of health care, and what to do about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerExaaaaaaaactly. The country of business has the least efficient health care in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiganer
Neither party is offering a good solution yet, but at least there's some attention finally being paid to the matter, albeit via this stupid "subsidy" argument.
The US health care system is broken. It needs to be completely torn apart and redesigned. A shell game regarding who pays for it isn't going to get the job done. That's what both parties are failing to understand -- or are intentionally ignoring.
The current US healthcare cost model is: You don't know what services you're buying, and you don't know what they cost, but you're legally responsible to pay for them, once your insurance foots its share of the bill.
Republicans are apparently mostly okay with this, and just want the poor and lower-middle-class to start paying more of their share of the costs. They're weakly trying to increase competition in order to somewhat bring costs down, but it will have a minimal impact, at best. They aren't understanding that the primary cost model is broken.
Democrats are no better. They are also fine with this opaque, highly overpriced, inefficient system. They just want the government and the rich to foot more of the bill. Democrats also find themselves obsessed with "required coverages", basically adding a needless level of cost to each plan. Insurance should be protecting you against the unforeseen. A checkup is not unforeseen. A pap smear is not unforeseen. These should not be part of insurance -- or at least not part of mandatory coverage for insurance. But honestly, as dumb as the non-insurance insurance requirements are, that's just a drop in the bucket compared to the real issues with US healthcare. But it's a glaring example as to how the Democrats don't get it, either.
The subsidy argument is a tough one. On one hand, it's cruel to deny health care to the poor because they can't afford it. And if you DO give care to the poor, then someone has to pay for it -- hence the subsidies. But then there's the other side of the coin. Government subsidies basically keep a broken system from falling apart, and delay the necessary reform to fix things. Why bother changing the system if it continues to be propped up by government subsidies? There's much less urgency to do so, and in the meantime, a staggering amount of money gets wasted each year, feeding the healthcare pig.
As I've said many times, we need to get costs under control FIRST, and then worry after that who pays for everything.
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Originally Posted by DalyA group of egomaniacal dicks who thought they could shovel an unlikeble cunt down the countries throat?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Ohhhh so you think politics is a popularity contest, not an opportunity to embrace actual policy and steer the planet towards the future.
You sir, are an absolute caution.
His point is that the Democratic Party treated everyone like fools.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Daly
Ohhhh so you think politics is a popularity contest, not an opportunity to embrace actual policy and steer the planet towards the future.
You sir, are an absolute caution.
I couldn't believe how many times I read/heard things like, "Hillary Clinton's scandals are just right wing conspiracy theories", "Muslims aren't more likely to commit acts of terror in the US", and "Obamacare hasn't raised health care costs. In fact, premiums have gone down!"
Like, just patently false stuff that was shoved down people's throats, and you were treated like an ignoramus if you dared question these "facts".
And then there was the SJW wing of the party which loudly took over the Democratic narrative, accusing basically everyone of being some kind of "phobic".
In the meantime, the working class people in the middle -- the ones losing jobs and increasingly feeling confused and uncomfortable regarding the direction of America -- decided to vote for the flawed-but-more-relatable guy who seemed to at least understand what they were going through.
The blue collar voter in Michigan who traditionally went Democrat thought to himself, "The Democrats aren't being honest with me. They're telling me that Muslims aren't terror threats, and I keep seeing news stories of Muslim terror attacks in the US. They keep saying the economy is great, and yet I'm worried about my job. They keep saying Obamacare worked, but my brother who is self-employed can barely afford his premiums. They keep saying I'm homophobic or transphobic because I don't want men in women's bathrooms. They keep saying I'm racist because I support the police against career violent criminals. You know what? I don't recognize the Democratic party anymore. I'm voting for Trump."
It was also a really, really, poorly run campaign.
They made so many rookie mistakes, it was just amazing.
Insult the other side's voters and potential voters, thus energizing the opponent's base? Check.
Ignoring blue-collar, middle-of-the-road voters in states where you could potentially lose? Check.
Campaigning to those who were already going to vote for you anyway? Check.
Creating a narrative of, "We're smarter than you. The problems you think you have don't really exist. Just shut up and go with what we say." Check.
Cheating against a primary opponent who had virtually no chance to beat you, thus opening yourself up to resentment within your own party if it got found out (which it did)? Check.
LOL DEMOCRATS
Druff your party is literally taking away medical coverage from disabled children so they can push through a tax break for the rich and you're like "LOL HER EMAILS".
I know you had a rough WSOP but pull it together.
hongmonger and FPS are literally lurking, rep repping, or posting nonsensical liberal VOMIT 24/7
UNBAN MINTJEWLIPS
I agree with a lot of this, but look beyond the parties and see who is really behind it. As always, follow the money. Big Pharma, the medical device manufacturers, insurance companies, doctors, hospitals and other big corporate sectors are raking it in at everyone else's expense (including the government's). They are going to fight to protect their cash haul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffAt least there's finally starting to be some talk regarding the COST of health care, and what to do about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
Neither party is offering a good solution yet, but at least there's some attention finally being paid to the matter, albeit via this stupid "subsidy" argument.
The US health care system is broken. It needs to be completely torn apart and redesigned. A shell game regarding who pays for it isn't going to get the job done. That's what both parties are failing to understand -- or are intentionally ignoring.
The current US healthcare cost model is: You don't know what services you're buying, and you don't know what they cost, but you're legally responsible to pay for them, once your insurance foots its share of the bill.
Republicans are apparently mostly okay with this, and just want the poor and lower-middle-class to start paying more of their share of the costs. They're weakly trying to increase competition in order to somewhat bring costs down, but it will have a minimal impact, at best. They aren't understanding that the primary cost model is broken.
Democrats are no better. They are also fine with this opaque, highly overpriced, inefficient system. They just want the government and the rich to foot more of the bill. Democrats also find themselves obsessed with "required coverages", basically adding a needless level of cost to each plan. Insurance should be protecting you against the unforeseen. A checkup is not unforeseen. A pap smear is not unforeseen. These should not be part of insurance -- or at least not part of mandatory coverage for insurance. But honestly, as dumb as the non-insurance insurance requirements are, that's just a drop in the bucket compared to the real issues with US healthcare. But it's a glaring example as to how the Democrats don't get it, either.
The subsidy argument is a tough one. On one hand, it's cruel to deny health care to the poor because they can't afford it. And if you DO give care to the poor, then someone has to pay for it -- hence the subsidies. But then there's the other side of the coin. Government subsidies basically keep a broken system from falling apart, and delay the necessary reform to fix things. Why bother changing the system if it continues to be propped up by government subsidies? There's much less urgency to do so, and in the meantime, a staggering amount of money gets wasted each year, feeding the healthcare pig.
As I've said many times, we need to get costs under control FIRST, and then worry after that who pays for everything.
Maybe jewlips should think twice before spewing in every thread making baseless accusations of disgusting crimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
Exactly. Wake me up when we're "taking" from pharma and insurance to "give" to consumers.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
WSOP is only half over for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Your description of Republicans' attempts at healthcare reform is highly loaded and inaccurate. And I say this as someone who does NOT agree with the way Republicans have handled healthcare reform (see my message about an hour ago).
This isn't about "taking away medical coverage from disabled children" (or any other sympathetic group), nor is it a "tax break for the rich".
Republicans are saying, "The subsidy train is out of control, we need to rein it in, and some people have to start paying their fair share."
Democrats are saying, "OMG OMG OMG, you're taking away healthcare from kids! No, the government needs to subsidize even MORE, and in fact, how about dat single payer idea we keep tossing out there?"
I am saying, "Instead of fighting about who pays into our horrendously inefficient, confusing, and corrupt healthcare system, how about we work hard to bring costs down, and THEN figure out who pays?"
Word on the street Justice Kennedy is retiring, meaning Donald Trump is going to name a SECOND Supreme Court Justice in his first year alone!
We are getting back to the Constitution people!
Fuck, I am proud to be an American. Damn proud.
I watched Mark Levin's appearance on Steven Crowder's show on Friday. Regardless of what you might think of either of those guys, Levin had a great (and unfortunately accurate) line during the interview:
"Our healthcare system has been changed to where it's now built around the poor. I have no problem with giving the poor assistance if they can't afford care, but we shouldn't build the entire system around them, and ruin it for everyone else."
EXACTLY
That's what I've been saying about Obamacare (which I have personally experienced, sadly) for years.
I've posted many times on this forum that Obamacare fixed one glaring problem with the individual health care system (inability for many to get insured) but also broke the system for everyone else (everyone who had it before is paying several times more for worse care.)
I'm not suggesting we roll things back to pre-Obamacare days. I am suggesting we seriously look at the problems with our healthcare system, and fix it in a way which will survive long term.
Neither party has come up with a viable long term (or even medium-term) solution yet.
for better or worse, people just don't view health care the same way they view other services that are subject to market forces. more and more people just expect it as a right.
what are health care costs like in canada? i honestly don't know and i'm too lazy to google. just wondering what will happen when we eventually go single payer.
I think it's hillarious that people who hang out on your side Of the isle on most issues are quick to point out the electoral college impact to the general election but won't actively discuss/acknowledge the impact of DNC superdelegates giving us the president we have today.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Daly
Ohhhh so you think politics is a popularity contest, not an opportunity to embrace actual policy and steer the planet towards the future.
You sir, are an absolute caution.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffWSOP is only half over for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Your description of Republicans' attempts at healthcare reform is highly loaded and inaccurate. And I say this as someone who does NOT agree with the way Republicans have handled healthcare reform (see my message about an hour ago).
This isn't about "taking away medical coverage from disabled children" (or any other sympathetic group), nor is it a "tax break for the rich".
Republicans are saying, "The subsidy train is out of control, we need to rein it in, and some people have to start paying their fair share."
Democrats are saying, "OMG OMG OMG, you're taking away healthcare from kids! No, the government needs to subsidize even MORE, and in fact, how about dat single payer idea we keep tossing out there?"
I am saying, "Instead of fighting about who pays into our horrendously inefficient, confusing, and corrupt healthcare system, how about we work hard to bring costs down, and THEN figure out who pays?"
I'm way out of my depth talking about in the inner workings of US healthcare. But if they're making amendments which is literally going to kill thousands of Americans, because of money.
Then isn't that like totally fucking immoral?
They find money to bail out banks and spend hundreds of billions on pointless wars. But they can't keep sick people/kids alive until they find a real solution to this mess?
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Originally Posted by DalyI think it's hillarious that people who hang out on your side Of the isle on most issues are quick to point out the electoral college impact to the general election but won't actively discuss/acknowledge the impact of DNC superdelegates giving us the president we have today.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Umm, what? What exactly are you saying about super delegates here? Are you saying Bernie would have won if not for super delegates?
The Republican "health care bill" is not a health care bill, it is a tax cut. They essentially leave ACA in place, including insurance subsidies but simply pull money out to cut taxes.
I think you need to re-examine such rhetoric. It's clearly below par and it looks like it might get worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by DalyWell, yes. That and the fact that the US health care system is the best in the world by a factor of 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiganer
The rich enjoy the best money can afford but that's the only area it can be seen as better.
Getting back to the constitution lol. You don't know the first damn thing about the constitution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Hordell
What's your source for Kennedy retiring? The same guy who told you Manziel will be MVP?
It's appalling. But the DNC is a private organization and can choose their nominee however they want. Parties used to choose at their conventions, up through the 60s. Not that this was better but just to make the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by DalyI think it's hillarious that people who hang out on your side Of the isle on most issues are quick to point out the electoral college impact to the general election but won't actively discuss/acknowledge the impact of DNC superdelegates giving us the president we have today.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
The EC is not private; it's part of the constitution and it happens to be a ridiculous relic of slavery. It's embarrassing that it still exists.
WOW LOOK AT THE PFA LIBTARD MAFIA SPIN COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL
ENJOY THE RIDE DICKWIPES
I do, but it's Saturday.Quote:
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Tyde: DO YOU EVEN HAVE A JOB ?
You on the other hand, do not.
He cooks for other grown men for a living and brags about it like it's cool or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
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Originally Posted by big dickHe cooks for other grown men for a living and brags about it like it's cool or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
lol must be so tilted
actually no retard, I'm not a 'cook' I run the entire department
I don't think you fully understand what my job description entails
sweet jab though
Ill go back to being on vacation not giving a fuck now
Fights back?...lol. I disapprove of him because he constantly lies but has about 35% of the population hypnotized into thinking he is their Cheeto Savior, has undermined our national security on a criminal level (just wait my friend, Mueller is coming), has appointed members to his cabinet not based on their merits and accomplishments but instead based on their wealth and agenda, has gone back on a lot of promises including medical marijuana, has incredibly stupid ideas and constantly acts like a child, constantly feels the need to be reassured he is liked and respected, brags about shit that doesnt matter to anyone but him... I could go on and on... The one thing that will never be on that list is "he fights back". Just fucking LOL at that garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken HordellNo, we are not on the same team. Most hate elitist libtards who on the first day Trump was in office began attacking him. What you people don't like is Trump fights back.Quote:
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I keep hearing this line that the two parties are private organizations and can do what they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerIt's appalling. But the DNC is a private organization and can choose their nominee however they want. Parties used to choose at their conventions, up through the 60s. Not that this was better but just to make the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
The EC is not private; it's part of the constitution and it happens to be a ridiculous relic of slavery. It's embarrassing that it still exists.
Technically, this is true, but the vast majority of Americans don't see it that way, and the average voter would be appalled if he knew that his vote in the primaries wasn't binding in any way.
The GOP has this issue to a lesser degree. For example, there is no voting in the Republican primary in Colorado.
However, the Democratic Party is far, far worse. The whole concept of superdelegates is a complete affront to the concept of democracy, essentially giving certain elite individuals the equivalent of hundreds of thousands of votes each (!!!)
For a party which prides itself upon being the one "for the people" and "for the little guy", their Presidential primary with superdelegates demonstrates the exact opposite.
Even without the superdelegates and without the DNC-assisted cheating on behalf of Hillary, Bernie wouldn't have won. There is a false narrative that Hillary "stole" the election from Bernie. As much as I hate Hillary, and as much as I'd like that to be true, it's simply not. Bernie failed to connect with minorities, and basically struggled big time outside of the young and/or rural demographic. That's why it was absolutely foolish to cheat Bernie, from a strategy perspective. It only had a downside (getting caught) with no upside (Hillary was going to beat him anyway.)
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffI keep hearing this line that the two parties are private organizations and can do what they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
Technically, this is true, but the vast majority of Americans don't see it that way, and the average voter would be appalled if he knew that his vote in the primaries wasn't binding in any way.
The GOP has this issue to a lesser degree. For example, there is no voting in the Republican primary in Colorado.
However, the Democratic Party is far, far worse. The whole concept of superdelegates is a complete affront to the concept of democracy, essentially giving certain elite individuals the equivalent of hundreds of thousands of votes each (!!!)
For a party which prides itself upon being the one "for the people" and "for the little guy", their Presidential primary with superdelegates demonstrates the exact opposite.
Even without the superdelegates and without the DNC-assisted cheating on behalf of Hillary, Bernie wouldn't have won. There is a false narrative that Hillary "stole" the election from Bernie. As much as I hate Hillary, and as much as I'd like that to be true, it's simply not. Bernie failed to connect with minorities, and basically struggled big time outside of the young and/or rural demographic. That's why it was absolutely foolish to cheat Bernie, from a strategy perspective. It only had a downside (getting caught) with no upside (Hillary was going to beat him anyway.)
you sound like every politician that America HATES
blah blah blah just droning on with the same canned, regurgitated empty rhetoric
Todd do yourself a favor and NEVER run for office
you're not exactly a charismatic potential candidate even on a local level.
let alone remotely coherent when it comes to being able to connect with homo sapiens
nice blog though
You seem to have an allergy to people who calmly state their opinions and the rationale behind them. Your constant childish insults and meme posting is indistinguishable from white noise. How can you even function as a human being?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
you sound like every politician that America HATES
blah blah blah just droning on with the same canned, regurgitated empty rhetoric
Todd do yourself a favor and NEVER run for office
you're not exactly a charismatic potential candidate even on a local level.
let alone remotely coherent when it comes to being able to connect with homo sapiens
nice blog though
You are too dumb to realize that I was bashing the Democratic Party for being corrupt and hypocritical -- something you've been unsuccessfully attempting to do for the past 1006 pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by TydeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
you sound like every politician that America HATES
blah blah blah just droning on with the same canned, regurgitated empty rhetoric
Todd do yourself a favor and NEVER run for office
you're not exactly a charismatic potential candidate even on a local level.
let alone remotely coherent when it comes to being able to connect with homo sapiens
nice blog though
You should be kissing my feet for making such a well-reasoned, coherent post which is essentially on the same "side" as you are.
This thread needs more posts from rational conservatives and fewer from spastic, drunk retards.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffYou are too dumb to realize that I was bashing the Democratic Party for being corrupt and hypocritical -- something you've been unsuccessfully attempting to do for the past 1006 pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
You should be kissing my feet for making such a well-reasoned, coherent post which is essentially on the same "side" as you are.
This thread needs more posts from rational conservatives and fewer from spastic, drunk retards.
FALSE. u would let urself get run over by libtards like the current gop establishment congressmen
meanwhile in the world of reality and science
"I think most mayors in America don't think we have to wait for president," whose beliefs on climate change are disconnected from science, Landrieu said.
"There's near unanimity in this conference that climate change is real and that humans contribute to it.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/b...158021319.html
300 mayors at conference in miami 6/23/17 to 6/25/17 agree to work together to achieve goals of Paris Climate Agreement.
macron and schwarzenegger make fun of cheeto jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-SrXtTvjU
right in your angry, vindictive, possibly religiously poisoned , totalitarian seeking throwback face / make the planet great again
most dangerous man in US fat shames women / whats good for the goose / with an ass like that don't expect any black fags allowed in WH.
expect to see more of this