Damn! Almost positive I gave him that, can't remember the exact reason though. I actually went to look him up a week or so ago over there but the site was down...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Belly Buster
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Damn! Almost positive I gave him that, can't remember the exact reason though. I actually went to look him up a week or so ago over there but the site was down...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Belly Busterlol
yup him having the scammatar was conjecture too I guess, and how the fuck does his brokeass shady ways has nothing to do with this? doesnt it fit your argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369Garret's an early frontrunner for the "4Bet I told you so award" of 2014. Good work Garret.
Simpdog, not sure why you are so down on Weiss here, you are obv both in the same situation. You escrowed with Druff, Weiss escrowed with me and then you have this...
You were both in the exact same boat. The fact that Weiss pulled back his $100 payment once he figured out this guy was most likely freerolling has nothing to do with any of this. Whether or not Weiss was trying to freeroll too is complete conjecture on your part.Quote:
Originally Posted by cla
FWIW, I have done a lot of transactions with Weiss since my early days on NWP, and have never had a problem. He might be a little bit of a slow payer, but he has always made good on his bets and entry fees for FFB.
i love you but you gotta unswallow that nutsack
I swallow no nutsack my friend. His scammatar was from something that happened long before even I joined NWP, and obv it was all just a big misunderstanding :)Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantiumyup him having the scammatar was conjecture too I guess, and how the fuck does his brokeass shady ways has nothing to do with this? doesnt it fit your argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
i love you but you gotta unswallow that nutsack
Both Weiss and ShadyJ said that my bet is not valid since there was no escrow from CLA.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
So if Weiss follows that logic, his first bet still stands with cla....then his second two bets do not since nothing was escrowed by both parties.
Anyways I'm done with arguing about this. Everyone flip flops around contradicting themselves all over the place.
Badguy gets a free pass due to his schtick.
Weiss gets a free pass because people like him and have known him for a while. Plus it's okay to scam someone who was possibly scamming.
Garrett's a complete tool who thinks he's Nostradamus due to hindsight and his post about a contest being a scam even though cla was going to escrow.
FTR I was saying both you and Weiss had action with him considering he confirmed with that last post I quoted him in. He def owes you $500. The only action that was killed was on his end considering he never escrowed with Druff or I, but you and Weiss had a confirmed bet and you both escrowed, so that POS definitely owes.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdogBoth Weiss and ShadyJ said that my bet is not valid since there was no escrow from CLA.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
Im trying to make this right pm me. LOL that this guy was a dd scammer I did not know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdogBoth Weiss and ShadyJ said that my bet is not valid since there was no escrow from CLA.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
So if Weiss follows that logic, his first bet still stands with cla....then his second two bets do not since nothing was escrowed by both parties.
Anyways I'm done with arguing about this. Everyone flip flops around contradicting themselves all over the place.
Badguy gets a free pass due to his schtick.
Weiss gets a free pass because people like him and have known him for a while. Plus it's okay to scam someone who was possibly scamming.
Garrett's a complete tool who thinks he's Nostradamus due to hindsight and his post about a contest being a scam even though cla was going to escrow.
When he first popped up, the Az Cardinal logo felt familiar with a previous user, but there was that limit poker kid on NWP and DD from Arizona. I can't recall his name, but I was thinking he may have had that avatar and that's why it felt familiar. Leave it to BB to locate the obvious that could have avoided this whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369Damn! Almost positive I gave him that, can't remember the exact reason though. I actually went to look him up a week or so ago over there but the site was down...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Belly Busterlol
Yeah, I gotta ask BB how he was even able to find him over there. After he posted that DD avatar I went to the site to search him out to see if I could find his scam over there. I couldn't even find him with the user search feature. Weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRWhen he first popped up, the Az Cardinal logo felt familiar with a previous user, but there was that limit poker kid on NWP and DD from Arizona. I can't recall his name, but I was thinking he may have had that avatar and that's why it felt familiar. Leave it to BB to locate the obvious that could have avoided this whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
I remember CLA from DD, but I didn't know he ended up with the scammatar.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRWhen he first popped up, the Az Cardinal logo felt familiar with a previous user, but there was that limit poker kid on NWP and DD from Arizona. I can't recall his name, but I was thinking he may have had that avatar and that's why it felt familiar. Leave it to BB to locate the obvious that could have avoided this whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
Maybe he is dead, when people say shit like this, something that has absolutely nothing to do w/the debt, probably not going to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by cla
one thing w/this guy that didn't make sense was a few months ago he was saying how expensive it is to live in CA, then during the badguy thing he said he was just visiting his cousin there, that he lives in AZ.
My bs dectector went off, and that is when I stopped harassing Badguy, the loveable scammer.
Its like w/Badguy, he might be a scammer, but he is our scammer.
Did you notice he never wanted to take any of my bets?
I guess he knew I was a straight up gangsta wrong nigga to fuck wit.
No financial transactions with people you don't know on a gambling forum. End transmission.
rum dick: you're whole tone in this thread is coming off as whiny dipshit. that's not how you normally are. bit of unsolicited advice - walk away from this thread asap and don't look back.
It was the same exact tone during the Jasep scam from him (Simp was the biggest loser in that one too..22Q actually made out since CMoney and Mason made it right with them). Dudes got a serious proclivity for betting against the true shit of society. No offense Simp.
Obviously no PM from him... Sim I like you buddy, my only advice is bet with trusted members on this forum not some random who shows up or known scammers (you know who they are). In all honesty, look on the bright side, atleast you didn't lose $500 to him of your own money.
Sim you wanna bet on one of the games for Sunday? Only 100, we can escrow with Vegas if he's cool with it.
A couple of detectives did their homework on this and spotted this was fake - I "photoshopped" it in paint.net.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belly Busterlol
Was hoping to tease cla out of his silence.
Other than entrusting some $$$ here with Druff, Vegas1369, or china are you people really that stupid to place it in someone elses hands with all the internet scamming going on these days? I mean this entire post is nothing more than a farce.
People are being too hard on simpdog in this thread.
Don't blame the victim.
As far as I am concerned, cla owes simpdog $500 (I don't care if he never escrowed -- he said it was a bet), Weiss doesn't owe a thing to cla (as it's clear he was being freerolled), and badguy... well, I don't know what to say about him.
What actually pisses me off the most is how cla was so indignant about being a victim and how it was somehow this site's fault that he got "scammed", when he was the one scamming in the first place.
I am sorry for being rough on simpdog, I really didnt know the extent of his dealings with Jasep.
This cla character got me interested rather quick for some reason. He tried to reverse level, and got re-leveled, then just quit.
lol gg that was fun.
I believe you posted earlier that since CLA didnt escrow you wouldnt have sent him SDs funds. So basically you helped SD freeroll off of CLA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
When he came into the thread and told SD he would honor the bet is when he is on the hook for the money. Not before that according to what you said yourself or you're part of the problem.
That said I think I cant be sure but I think if SD had lost he would have been willing to pay. If not theres clearly no bet and CLA could have clearly got out of it, but he did himself in when he said he would honor it. Once he said that hes on the hook imo.
Come on simpdog? You want Seattle? I will take SF at +4. Let me know. I am already escrowed from my previous bet with cla with Vegas.
Let me know
No thanks. Can't anger the worm hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide
So when does this guys info get posted? Also ship badguy scammatar but allow him to continue to post.
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Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
I have his info. Whats the point of posting it?
None of you people ever do anything about it anyway
If people ever google his name they may find this and it can help them out. I think it's actually wrong if you don't post it dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicideQuote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
I have his info. Whats the point of posting it?
None of you people ever do anything about it anyway
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Originally Posted by handicapmeIf people ever google his name they may find this and it can help them out. I think it's actually wrong if you don't post it dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide
I don't think it's my place to do so. I know Druff has the info as well as a few others, including possibly simpdog, who is the big loser in all of this(allegedly ;))
If you want it personally and want to post it I will send it to you via PM, but not really my place to publicly post this guys info.
I hear ya, just saying it should be posted by someone...Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicideQuote:
Originally Posted by handicapme
I don't think it's my place to do so. I know Druff has the info as well as a few others, including possibly simpdog, who is the big loser in all of this(allegedly ;))
If you want it personally and want to post it I will send it to you via PM, but not really my place to publicly post this guys info.
Also, the bolded part really isn't necessary man, come on brah you'd be upset too, no need to rub it in his face.
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Originally Posted by handicapmeI hear ya, just saying it should be posted by someone...Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide
Also, the bolded part really isn't necessary man, come on brah you'd be upset too, no need to rub it in his face.
No, I totally mean it. He lost the most. He should be the one who decides whether to post it or not. The allegedly part was just because its been said I have flip flopped on it many times, so I didn't want to do that again
I wrote earlier I would hold off until Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicideQuote:
Originally Posted by handicapme
No, I totally mean it. He lost the most. He should be the one who decides whether to post it or not. The allegedly part was just because its been said I have flip flopped on it many times, so I didn't want to do that again
If he doesn't show by then I think releasing his name and maybe having someone research him would be fair.
simpdog escrowed as agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJI believe you posted earlier that since CLA didnt escrow you wouldnt have sent him SDs funds. So basically you helped SD freeroll off of CLA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
When he came into the thread and told SD he would honor the bet is when he is on the hook for the money. Not before that according to what you said yourself or you're part of the problem.
That said I think I cant be sure but I think if SD had lost he would have been willing to pay. If not theres clearly no bet and CLA could have clearly got out of it, but he did himself in when he said he would honor it. Once he said that hes on the hook imo.
cla didn't escrow and clearly was going to run some BS about why simpdog owed him if he won. He didn't win, so he just ran off. The fact that he promised to pay (and never argued that the bet was invalid) is proof that this was a scam from the start.
As far as I'm concerned, if you bet as part of a scam/freeroll, you are not entitled to any winnings, but are responsible for any losses you incur during your attempt to scam/freeroll.
If it were a situation where a guy just legitimately forgot to escrow, then I would just declare the bet invalid on both sides.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druffsimpdog escrowed as agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJ
cla didn't escrow and clearly was going to run some BS about why simpdog owed him if he won. He didn't win, so he just ran off. The fact that he promised to pay (and never argued that the bet was invalid) is proof that this was a scam from the start.
As far as I'm concerned, if you bet as part of a scam/freeroll, you are not entitled to any winnings, but are responsible for any losses you incur during your attempt to scam/freeroll.
If it were a situation where a guy just legitimately forgot to escrow, then I would just declare the bet invalid on both sides.
So based on this I am still owed 100$
One more long post...
This whole cla situation is becoming a clusterfuck for numerous reasons.
cla gets action with Weiss and badguy. Taking action from badguy in the first place is a red flag making you wonder why anyone at this point would do that unless they were freerolling themselves knowing they probably were going to be freerolled.
cla wins both bets. badguy wasn't going to pay him and Weiss was out of town then I believe sent a check but then cancelled when he realized he wasn't going to get paid on the next bet.
simpdog accepted action from cla which I'm not going to come down on him for it but I will say their are better people he could get action from. Their were no policies put in that BOTH parties must have escrowed the money prior to the game yet they were using an escrow? This defeats one of the key purposes to having an escrow in the first place as you want them to hold the money prior to a game then ship it out afterward.
Some others now think badguy should ship to simpdog and the debt is a wash which financially that sounds ok BUT it's wrong because we don't know if cla had any funds to cover these bets in the first place and it basically means he could keep on betting freerolling it up and hope his wins would settle with his losses. This is terrible on so many levels.
So... the whole situation is a big mess.
Everyone should have used an escrow in the first place imo. Bets the following week which an escrow was agreed upon cla never sent prior to the game claiming he had paypal then when it was time to pay he said his account was having issues.
Had cla won from simpdog then how does cla look after that? A guy who was clearly freerolling now would have been owed from both badguy and simpdog which I'm not saying simp wouldn't have paid him BUT technically he was being freerolled all along so perhaps they bet another week and break even or they don't and cla don't pay Weiss what he owes him so then simpdog is in a weird spot of whether to pay someone because he thinks he was being freerolled or not?
Some others might think they could bet cla after this and then just not pay him since they know he was freerolling himself so if cla never paid those people then they feel they wouldn't have to pay him. This is horrible logic but some might try that and hope that cla would come out ahead somewhere along the line then actually pay them.
All I will say is for the future if someone don't want to go through an online book and is really going to bet with PFA members then:
1. Use an escrow 100% of the time.
2. Money must be received by escrow by a certain time prior to any game starting otherwise bet is determined as no action.
3. Don't say your going to bet and then bail out not sending your money in prior to the game otherwise that escrow has a right to say "Your not allowed to use me anymore" and the potential shady bettor should be called out in the forum for not sending prior to the game causing a no action bet.
4. The escrow who should be someone considered trust worthy in the community (Druff) confirms the bet is action when both parties have sent in and escrow ships to the winner afterward.
^^^^ - follow this protocol in the future and transactions will go more smoothly.
Anyone can place a blame or criticize certain people for the way they handled this thing which obviously cla is a scammer/freeroller/welcher but without a system like the basic one I described above when betting with folks on the internet your just asking for controversy.
One other thing I forgot to mention about betting on 2+2. You could have a trustworthy reg vouch for you, but if you dont pay the reg owes your debt.
I think I can get a few trustworthy regs to vouch for me.
Looking for the Templar, Jasep, CLA, Badguy or Peterdc to vouch for me itt.
BTW simpdog, you got the $500 back from me, right? You posted something about it being held or some BS like that, and I didn't hear anything from Paypal saying such.
If it hasn't gone through completely, let me know. I just refunded your $500 so I have no idea why they held it.
I phoned in to ask wtf was going on and they said due to the amount someone has to check it out internally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
They said there is nothing that you or I can do to speed it up, but also could not tell me how long it would take.
If I don't see anything by ~Tuesday I will definitely be calling back in. You would think a refund would be instant.
With the luck you 2 are having lately, cla has probably reported both of you & they'll probably shut down both of your accounts for abnormal activity & confiscate all the funds.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdogI phoned in to ask wtf was going on and they said due to the amount someone has to check it out internally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
They said there is nothing that you or I can do to speed it up, but also could not tell me how long it would take.
If I don't see anything by ~Tuesday I will definitely be calling back in. You would think a refund would be instant.
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Originally Posted by simpdogI wrote earlier I would hold off until Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide
If he doesn't show by then I think releasing his name and maybe having someone research him would be fair.
If anyone has any information on cla please post it here or PM me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BUBBLESQuote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
Here you go:
Christopher Lawrence Allred
444 N Gila Springs Blvd
Chandler, AZ 85226
Age 47
Not sure if address is current. There is another address I found for him on W Estrella Dr in Chandler.
I don't like posting users' info, but when they scam people and ignore questions about what they did, these are the consequences.