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just sign the damn NDA when his host presents itQuote:
Originally Posted by desertrunner
what is more likely:
1. i break bread w dr
2. i go to freemont st.
3. none of the above
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Originally Posted by Sanlmarjust sign the damn NDA when his host presents itQuote:
Originally Posted by desertrunner
what is more likely:
1. i break bread w dr
2. i go to freemont st.
3. none of the above
Casinos on the strip are now unionized
https://apnews.com/article/las-vegas...84ab17531b2e25
It is but its all right there, you don't have to go anywhere except an elevator. People who have not cruised don't realize that on the big ships there are like 8 restaurants and several huge venues for entertainment, like 10 bars, comedian shows, music everywhere and of course a casino. There is also a jail, yes a jail. While rare, the Captain can order anyone to jail and it literally is a cell, and then the next port of call, the local police come on board and escort you off. I saw it first hand, when some guy hit on a straight guy and they got into a fight. Security was there in like 20 seconds, literally, and tackled both of them. The next day each were escorted off the boat with their luggage and had to find their own way home. Talk about a bad beat. I also saw a very drunk crew member, apparently he began hitting on female passengers, though I did not see that. Here again they kicked him off at the next port and he had to find his own way home.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesYour description of ocean cruising is eerily similar to that of a Las Vegas weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgull
I’m assuming you don’t go on the low end trashy lines like Carnival.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullIt is but its all right there, you don't have to go anywhere except an elevator. People who have not cruised don't realize that on the big ships there are like 8 restaurants and several huge venues for entertainment, like 10 bars, comedian shows, music everywhere and of course a casino. There is also a jail, yes a jail. While rare, the Captain can order anyone to jail and it literally is a cell, and then the next port of call, the local police come on board and escort you off. I saw it first hand, when some guy hit on a straight guy and they got into a fight. Security was there in like 20 seconds, literally, and tackled both of them. The next day each were escorted off the boat with their luggage and had to find their own way home. Talk about a bad beat. I also saw a very drunk crew member, apparently he began hitting on female passengers, though I did not see that. Here again they kicked him off at the next port and he had to find his own way home.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
LOL, no, I mean when I was younger I did because Carnival ships are so cheap. But then you are around the 'family reunions' if you catch my drift, so I avoid them at all costs even though I still get mailers for free rooms. I stick to Royal and Princess. But I only go on the super large ships because I like the paid restaurant options. I stay away from the general dining rooms because I don't like being around people that somehow think its the last meal they will ever eat. $50 a head you get classy people around you, most of the time. I'll do the breakfast buffet at 7am when it opens and virtually empty but that is about it, I don't like commoners. I just pay the toll and go to the paid versions, its better food and much quieter.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozI’m assuming you don’t go on the low end trashy lines like Carnival.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgull
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Originally Posted by tgullLOL, no, I mean when I was younger I did because Carnival ships are so cheap. But then you are around the 'family reunions' if you catch my drift, so I avoid them at all costs even though I still get mailers for free rooms. I stick to Royal and Princess. But I only go on the super large ships because I like the paid restaurant options. I stay away from the general dining rooms because I don't like being around people that somehow think its the last meal they will ever eat. $50 a head you get classy people around you, most of the time. I'll do the breakfast buffet at 7am when it opens and virtually empty but that is about it, I don't like commoners. I just pay the toll and go to the paid versions, its better food and much quieter.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
you would enjoy celebrity. but be sure you are on one of their newer Edge class ships. there are now 5 of them. if you have the 4mm in the bank you claim, you should stay in their Retreat.
I finally saw the WW2 Navy flick “Greyhound” with Tom Hanks last night. Who doesn’t love movies involving German submarines?Quote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by tgull
you would enjoy celebrity. but be sure you are on one of their newer Edge class ships. there are now 5 of them. if you have the 4mm in the bank you claim, you should stay in their Retreat.
Enjoyed it a lot
Maybe the Russians take out a Carnival cruise ship. I have half the screenplay already written in my head.
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Originally Posted by SanlmarI finally saw the WW2 Navy flick “Greyhound” with Tom Hanks last night. Who doesn’t love movies involving German submarines?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
Enjoyed it a lot
Maybe the Russians take out a Carnival cruise ship. I have half the screenplay already written in my head.
this is sitting on my shelf to be read along with too many others now.
Das Boot (German pronunciation: [das ˈboːt], English: The Boat) is a 1973 autobiographical German novel by Lothar-Günther Buchheim based on his experiences as a war correspondent on U-boat submarines. Buchheim recorded his time on submarine U-96 and submarine U-309 during World War II. The Buchheim historical drama book was published in 1973 by Piper Verlag, the book has sold millions of copies and was translated into 18 languages. The novel portrayed the harsh and difficult submarine warfare life on a German submarine.
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Originally Posted by Sanlmar
what is more likely:
1. i break bread w dr
2. i go to freemont st.
3. none of the above
#3 is the correct response.
Get any good food while youre out there
I figured and all makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullLOL, no, I mean when I was younger I did because Carnival ships are so cheap. But then you are around the 'family reunions' if you catch my drift, so I avoid them at all costs even though I still get mailers for free rooms. I stick to Royal and Princess. But I only go on the super large ships because I like the paid restaurant options. I stay away from the general dining rooms because I don't like being around people that somehow think its the last meal they will ever eat. $50 a head you get classy people around you, most of the time. I'll do the breakfast buffet at 7am when it opens and virtually empty but that is about it, I don't like commoners. I just pay the toll and go to the paid versions, its better food and much quieter.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Another report:
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2025/ju...-11-from-2024/
Now that’s a great report with legitimate numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dive_Bar_Dave
Biggest takeaway to me is the Spirit Airlines numbers. While not 100% of their customers, but a good amount is lower end clientele. This could explain why gambling win isn’t down as much as total visitation. They aren’t big gamblers but they are the type customers to be most affected by higher prices and a tougher economy at home.
Although Spirit as part of their restructuring has cut the number of flights they fly in many places so many I’m looking into it too deeply.
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Originally Posted by tgullLOL, no, I mean when I was younger I did because Carnival ships are so cheap. But then you are around the 'family reunions' if you catch my drift, so I avoid them at all costs even though I still get mailers for free rooms. I stick to Royal and Princess. But I only go on the super large ships because I like the paid restaurant options. I stay away from the general dining rooms because I don't like being around people that somehow think its the last meal they will ever eat. $50 a head you get classy people around you, most of the time. I'll do the breakfast buffet at 7am when it opens and virtually empty but that is about it, I don't like commoners. I just pay the toll and go to the paid versions, its better food and much quieter.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Someone has been reading the Daniel Druff book to cruising. More or less his take on it and to be fair I more or less agree.
Something to being up at the crack of dawn, get a egg sammie with a hot coffee watching the ocean pass by. Bunch of other 40-70 year old men doing the same.
When I was younger, I used to like some of the cruise onboard activities. One time at 23 they approached me to be in one of their shows where I briefly played John Travolta. I’m not kidding. It was a gag where a cruise passenger (me) appears as Travolta, smoke comes on the stage, I exit, and a professional dancer who looks like me takes over. Then I come back after more smoke, and they express surprise at my skill.
I happened to look like the dancer (though I was too tall), so that’s why they approached me. Was fun.
Anyway I don’t go to any shows or onboard activities anymore, save for something gambling or sports related. Or karaoke sometimes.
I always eat in the pay dining area, and I do my own excursions at port.
Seems like tgull has it down now.
GOOD news, thanks for sharing. PRO union guy here.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardBrodiesCombover.
Wait until you see the results of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by desertrunnerGOOD news, thanks for sharing. PRO union guy here.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardBrodiesCombover.
Good news?Quote:
Originally Posted by desertrunnerGOOD news, thanks for sharing. PRO union guy here.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardBrodiesCombover.
So you're complaining about how expensive Vegas is, yet think unskilled Casino employees making $35/hr is a good thing? How do you think they can afford to pay those wages? Oh wait I know, by raising prices that's how.
Not to mention substandard Vegas service will only get worse once more Union employes are laid off to manage increased Labor costs.
Over the last 20+ years, Ive seen it mane times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Lets deep dive into this as you two are the lay persons that only know the surface info. And Druff, respectfully, youve never been in a union before and only know one side.
Whats typical non union-
Constant high employee turn over rate gives each employer roughly a 25% REDUCTION in productivity. Employer has to constantly advertise, onboard, outfit, orientate, train etc...all to lose those employees to an bigger and better offer less than a year away. Non-union places do not offer proper training and continuous education. Employee is more of a liability vs an asset.
Whats typical union- Pay the employees what they are worth, offer good benefits and pay. This new employee will turn into a long term investment and will become more of an asset vs a liability. Productivity goes up with employee retention and that 25% loss in productivity goes down.
Union- When there is a work place violation, contract dispute or internal grievance- It can get handled internally and more cost efficiently when the union lawyers and employer can work towards a solution.
Non-union- The employee has to hire a lawyer to sue the employer. This is more expensive and time consuming.
An example I know very well- The two "Right to Work" states that do not recognize unions are Arizona and Utah. Every month I see fire departments in both Arizona and Utah beg to hire firefighter/paramedics and they will get them, for a bit. And then the cycle starts- these FF/PMs with real experience mostly all leave and go to California and Nevada for the better pay, benefits and retirements. This continuous cycle runs every year over and over. Most medics go to Orange County Fire, LA County Fire, City of Las Vegas, Clark County Fire and City of Henderson. They want better pay, better benefits, better retirement and a contract. One year, the state of Utah lost many medics to LA County Fire alone during a major hiring swept. And those Utah departments lost all of the money they laid down to send those employees to medic school. All of that time, money, on-boarding, outfitting just go right out the door to a union department.
In the end, "its cheaper to keep her" and invest in your employees as long term investments and embrace the union carrot that's in front of them.
Now watch all of the hotel service employees in AZ and UT leave for Vegas- its simply "follow the money".
Yes, good news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phinnster
NO, I was never "complaining" about that, like most people, you took my words and twisted them to fit your agenda.Quote:
So you're complaining about how expensive Vegas is, yet think unskilled Casino employees making $35/hr is a good thing? How do you think they can afford to pay those wages? Oh wait I know, by raising prices that's how.
Let me clarify - My gripe is with the casino CEOs who raise prices and fees so they can get their self-entitled millions and then bounce. "Unskilled casino employees making $35 an hour is a good thing"- I never said that and have not seem that wage or skill level posted anywhere, where did you see that or did you just make it up? Raising prices- They could OR shift the entitled CEO's multi million dollar bonus money back to labor, say give the CEO just 5 million instead of the intended 10 million- he will sqweek by on that.
Also dont forget, contracts are bargained for and negotiated on BOTH sides of the table. The union can want want want, but not always get. Management side can only give up what they can afford, the problem is labor also knows the books as well at the table. Both sides come to the table well prepared.
Wrong and false. There is no auto set standard and union employees have been fired in the past. Performance issues can always be handled internally. Again, good employees follow good money and crap stays crap. If an employee has issues, they will be dealt with internally.Quote:
Not to mention substandard Vegas service will only get worse once more Union employes are laid off to manage increased Labor costs.
Also, dont forget, most of Las Vegas kitchen and service workers have already been union for decades now, this is not something completely new to Las Vegas and Clark County.
Remember- Good employees stay and become long term assets and keep productivity UP. Crap employees dont stay, high turnover hurts the business and become liabilities and keep the 25% in productivity constantly down.
Perfect example- If PFA was a hotel in Las Vegas...
Good employees I'd hire and retain- The Boz, Micky Crimm, Country678, Frank Rizzo, FTJesus, Dive Bar Dave, Split This, tgull and maybe One dollar "cry baby" box car. We would also hire LOL WOW and fit him in some where.
Bad/shit employees that are a liability- Sonatine, BCR, Sloppy Hoe, Richard Brodie, Les and the other cancer members here.
Why does Las Vegas and Clark County Fire want paramedics so bad? These "Paramedic Rescue " vans are major money makers. The money is in the EMS transport business. Below is Rescue 218 out of station 18, one of the busiest stations in the nation. So busy, they now have R218 as a second unit out of 18's.
Proof- Clark County Fire Department Launches Nationwide Recruitment Effort They are now grabbing people from all over the nation. And why not- No state income tax, No Social Security deduction and the employer (Clark County) pays 100% of your NV PERS retirement. Too sweet of a deal to pass up vs the non-union "right to work" state screwing you for an entire career.
From NV PERS- "Nevada's Public Employees' Retirement System (PERS) offers a unique structure where employers, particularly in the public sector, may cover the full employee contribution, meaning employees do not have to contribute out-of-pocket for retirement." Right to Work/anti union states Arizona and Utah do not offer this.
A joke told in the industry- You can work at the Bullhead City FD in Arizona OR go across the river to Clark County/Laughlin and double your pay.
Again, medics leave the non-union "Right to Work" states for Las Vegas and So Cal. The "Big 3" you always want- Union, Overtime and Pension. Why not double your pay, benefits and lifestyle?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jhh-BT-EVwY/maxresdefault.jpg
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Originally Posted by RichardBrodiesCombover.
always.
https://www.wynnlasvegas.com/dining/fine-dining/mizumi
Wagyu Gyoza Dumpling
45
Kobe beef, Hokkaido snow beef, Japanese black vinegar soy, spicy mayo
Sea Bass with Yuzu Kosho
24
Braised Wagyu Short Ribs with Okinawan Black Sugar, Sudachi Kabocha
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Sweet Potato with Fire Roasted 'Yasai' Sauce
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How high do you think the turnover is at Apple? How about Microsoft? IBM? Oracle? Last time I checked none of them were unionized. That's what happens when you you are educated, skilled and motivated you don't need a union to protect you. Up here in Commie Canada where I live the largest group of employes in the country are unionized government workers. One of the reasons this country has such massive debt. Lazy postal workers who only work 3 or 4 days a week but get paid for 5, far left useless teachers who get summers, Xmas and a week in March off, school custodians who spend more time getting high than doing their job or the service workers at the unemployment office who have their "window closed" sign up every half hour so they can browse the internet. I know this because I have close friends who work in every one of those occupations. One was even the Chief Union steward for his local. I was also a steward at one of the companies I worked at when I was younger and stupid. The union was rock solid with heavy employee support. With every contract we threatened to strike unless we were given a substantial wage increase, with every employee caught stealing time, drunk on the job, manipulating their time cards, etc. grievances were filed and jobs were saved. Not a single person was ever fired while I worked there.That is until the company had enough and moved to Kentucky. Union gone and 300+ jobs lost. Yay unions!Quote:
Originally Posted by desertrunnerOver the last 20+ years, Ive seen it mane times.
Lets deep dive into this as you two are the lay persons that only know the surface info. And Druff, respectfully, youve never been in a union before and only know one side.
Whats typical non union-
Constant high employee turn over rate gives each employer roughly a 25% REDUCTION in productivity. Employer has to constantly advertise, onboard, outfit, orientate, train etc...all to lose those employees to an bigger and better offer less than a year away. Non-union places do not offer proper training and continuous education. Employee is more of a liability vs an asset.
Whats typical union- Pay the employees what they are worth, offer good benefits and pay. This new employee will turn into a long term investment and will become more of an asset vs a liability. Productivity goes up with employee retention and that 25% loss in productivity goes down.
Union- When there is a work place violation, contract dispute or internal grievance- It can get handled internally and more cost efficiently when the union lawyers and employer can work towards a solution.
Non-union- The employee has to hire a lawyer to sue the employer. This is more expensive and time consuming.
An example I know very well- The two "Right to Work" states that do not recognize unions are Arizona and Utah. Every month I see fire departments in both Arizona and Utah beg to hire firefighter/paramedics and they will get them, for a bit. And then the cycle starts- these FF/PMs with real experience mostly all leave and go to California and Nevada for the better pay, benefits and retirements. This continuous cycle runs every year over and over. Most medics go to Orange County Fire, LA County Fire, City of Las Vegas, Clark County Fire and City of Henderson. They want better pay, better benefits, better retirement and a contract. One year, the state of Utah lost many medics to LA County Fire alone during a major hiring swept. And those Utah departments lost all of the money they laid down to send those employees to medic school. All of that time, money, on-boarding, outfitting just go right out the door to a union department.
In the end, "its cheaper to keep her" and invest in your employees as long term investments and embrace the union carrot that's in front of them.
Now watch all of the hotel service employees in AZ and UT leave for Vegas- its simply "follow the money".
Yes, good news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phinnster
NO, I was never "complaining" about that, like most people, you took my words and twisted them to fit your agenda.Quote:
So you're complaining about how expensive Vegas is, yet think unskilled Casino employees making $35/hr is a good thing? How do you think they can afford to pay those wages? Oh wait I know, by raising prices that's how.
Let me clarify - My gripe is with the casino CEOs who raise prices and fees so they can get their self-entitled millions and then bounce. "Unskilled casino employees making $35 an hour is a good thing"- I never said that and have not seem that wage or skill level posted anywhere, where did you see that or did you just make it up? Raising prices- They could OR shift the entitled CEO's multi million dollar bonus money back to labor, say give the CEO just 5 million instead of the intended 10 million- he will sqweek by on that.
Also dont forget, contracts are bargained for and negotiated on BOTH sides of the table. The union can want want want, but not always get. Management side can only give up what they can afford, the problem is labor also knows the books as well at the table. Both sides come to the table well prepared.
Wrong and false. There is no auto set standard and union employees have been fired in the past. Performance issues can always be handled internally. Again, good employees follow good money and crap stays crap. If an employee has issues, they will be dealt with internally.Quote:
Not to mention substandard Vegas service will only get worse once more Union employes are laid off to manage increased Labor costs.
Also, dont forget, most of Las Vegas kitchen and service workers have already been union for decades now, this is not something completely new to Las Vegas and Clark County.
Remember- Good employees stay and become long term assets and keep productivity UP. Crap employees dont stay, high turnover hurts the business and become liabilities and keep the 25% in productivity constantly down.
Perfect example- If PFA was a hotel in Las Vegas...
Good employees I'd hire and retain- The Boz, Micky Crimm, Country678, Frank Rizzo, FTJesus, Dive Bar Dave, Split This, tgull and maybe One dollar "cry baby" box car. We would also hire LOL WOW and fit him in some where.
Bad/shit employees that are a liability- Sonatine, BCR, Sloppy Hoe, Richard Brodie, Les and the other cancer members here.
Why does Las Vegas and Clark County Fire want paramedics so bad? These "Paramedic Rescue " vans are major money makers. The money is in the EMS transport business. Below is Rescue 218 out of station 18, one of the busiest stations in the nation. So busy, they now have R218 as a second unit out of 18's.
Proof- Clark County Fire Department Launches Nationwide Recruitment Effort They are now grabbing people from all over the nation. And why not- No state income tax, No Social Security deduction and the employer (Clark County) pays 100% of your NV PERS retirement. Too sweet of a deal to pass up vs the non-union "right to work" state screwing you for an entire career.
From NV PERS- "Nevada's Public Employees' Retirement System (PERS) offers a unique structure where employers, particularly in the public sector, may cover the full employee contribution, meaning employees do not have to contribute out-of-pocket for retirement." Right to Work/anti union states Arizona and Utah do not offer this.
A joke told in the industry- You can work at the Bullhead City FD in Arizona OR go across the river to Clark County/Laughlin and double your pay.
Again, medics leave the non-union "Right to Work" states for Las Vegas and So Cal. The "Big 3" you always want- Union, Overtime and Pension. Why not double your pay, benefits and lifestyle?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jhh-BT-EVwY/maxresdefault.jpg
BTW- How are the casinos supposed to get rid of underperforming workers when they are protected by the union? Also when I referenced substandard service getting worse it wasn't in relation to an employees ability to do the job it was referencing the common practice of employers laying off staff shortly after their labor costs rise due to higher wages. See fast food restaurants in California who are now using order touchscreens and being automated which is putting people out of work. That ridiculous minimum wage increase isn't so great afterall.
The $35/hr is in the AP article you claimed was good news:
"The latest contracts secured a historic 32% bump in pay over the life of the five-year contract. Union casino workers will earn an average $35 hourly, including benefits, by the end of it."
Just so we're clear I have no love for the Casino executives either, they desperately focus on hitting quarterly numbers while missing the big picture. Increasing costs for tourists is turning them off and they are going to miss their numbers on a regular basis if they don't make some changes. As others have said, people can just visit their locals and save money.
I dont know as that is not my field. But you are using the same old generic auto-union language and youre incorrect. All of these companies have and will fire you any time, any day, any time regardless of talent, education or tenure. As for the the talent here in the USA youre referring to, WRONG, tech companies across California are laying off people almost weekly. Sorry, but your claims here are bogus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phinnster
First, this is only your story and only told as you see it. I know nothing about your topic points, but am smart enough to read between the lines that youre twisting the details some just to fit your agenda. Its obvious that everything you wrote here is not accurate. BUT the problem is with the system and the government, not the unions. Overhead management, laws and the government lets these issues happen. not the union.Quote:
Up here in Commie Canada where I live the largest group of employes in the country are unionized government workers. One of the reasons this country has such massive debt. Lazy postal workers who only work 3 or 4 days a week but get paid for 5, far left useless teachers who get summers, Xmas and a week in March off, school custodians who spend more time getting high than doing their job or the service workers at the unemployment office who have their "window closed" sign up every half hour so they can browse the internet. I know this because I have close friends who work in every one of those occupations. One was even the Chief Union steward for his local. I was also a steward at one of the companies I worked at when I was younger and stupid. The union was rock solid with heavy employee support. With every contract we threatened to strike unless we were given a substantial wage increase, with every employee caught stealing time, drunk on the job, manipulating their time cards, etc. grievances were filed and jobs were saved. Not a single person was ever fired while I worked there.That is until the company had enough and moved to Kentucky. Union gone and 300+ jobs lost. Yay unions!
Very, very easy- they give warnings, document, attempt to correct the behavior, suspension, demotion and if that fails- terminate. Then the union and employer can work it out. There is nothing to stop the employer from terminating. In California, union public safety employees can and have been terminated in the past- Police, fire, CHP etc. In California, a veteran police officer and union member for the California Lottery was wrongfully terminated for disagreeing with management after a winning lottery ticket investigation. She sued, won and got 500k. But as a gov. union member, she did get fired, happens often.Quote:
BTW- How are the casinos supposed to get rid of underperforming workers when they are protected by the union?
I already covered this. Water seeks its own level and the crappy employees will slowly fall off or get removed. If they lay off, oh well. Good employers keep good employees and the trash usually gets taken out.Quote:
Also when I referenced substandard service getting worse it wasn't in relation to an employees ability to do the job it was referencing the common practice of employers laying off staff shortly after their labor costs rise due to higher wages.
The fast food workers are not union. But thank the moronic CA state government for pushing that stupid idea after they were warned it would fail. Nothing to do with the new union in Las Vegas.Quote:
See fast food restaurants in California who are now using order touchscreens and being automated which is putting people out of work. That ridiculous minimum wage increase isn't so great afterall.
Yep- Good news. Thats 35% spread over 5 years equaling 7% per year. Guess what, the casino agreed to it and they know they need to keep their good employees or lose them to the other casinos who are also union and willing to pay. I addressed this above, they want to KEEP their good employees and know the high turnover rate will kill them and the 25% reduction in productivity will lead to profit loss. They figured out its better to hire and keep good employees and turn them into ASSETS instead of liability. Plus LV casinos are making record profits right now, so they know its better to pay labor and keep them happy. If you still doubt me, look up how In N Out Burger operates and then get back to me and admit, Im right. (You wont, but that's ok, I already know Im right)Quote:
The $35/hr is in the AP article you claimed was good news:
"The latest contracts secured a historic 32% bump in pay over the life of the five-year contract. Union casino workers will earn an average $35 hourly, including benefits, by the end of it."
Everything I just said...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rSyYe5v8RCQ
This one you got right, good job.Quote:
Just so we're clear I have no love for the Casino executives either, they desperately focus on hitting quarterly numbers while missing the big picture. Increasing costs for tourists is turning them off and they are going to miss their numbers on a regular basis if they don't make some changes.
Been doing that for over 30 years now.Quote:
As others have said, people can just visit their locals and save money.
Sheldon Adelson would have literally shot up his own employee dining room before he would let his workers unionize.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardBrodiesCombover.
I don’t have any links handy but the stories about some of his retaliatory tactics against Venetian workers who supported union membership are the stuff of legend. He was one vindictive MF.
The biggest problem with unions on the Vegas strip is that it's completely dominated by one union -- The Culinary Workers Union Local 226.
This megaunion has 60,000 members, and despite the name implying it's just food service workers, it also includes maids, laundry service employees, hotel front desk workers, waiters, dishwashers, bellmen, and most other service positions you find in Vegas casino-hotels.
Therefore, when they strike, the strip gets crippled. Everything grinds to a halt, which is devastating for both tourists and the local economy.
This union has far too much power. Basically they've learned that the big corporate owners can't afford the effects of a Culinary Union strike, so it becomes a game where the union announces they're going to strike, makes outrageous demands, and then "compromises" to accept a lesser improvement in pay/benefits/conditions.
The union is constantly assessing how much extra they can squeeze out of the corporations, and they turn the screws until they get it.
This is very bad for Vegas, and in fact is some of the factor which has pushed up prices.
I didn't say anything about layoffs, I was addressing your wrong assertion that unions prevent turnover. Why would Apple fire a well educated, highly skilled, hard working dedicated employee? That doesn't sound like a way to run a highly successful company like Apple. If they lay off underperforming employees, who cares, going by what you say below that's perfectly fine with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by desertrunner
What exactly am I twisting? That the Union Steward and mail carrier who happens to be one of my closest childhood friends hosted a regular poker night, often attended by other mail carriers? That during these games, they would casually joke about finishing their routes in 4 to 5 hours while still getting paid for 8.5? Or their favorite trick: if they were hungover or just didn’t feel like working that day, they would show up to sort the mail in the morning, then head home without delivering a thing, leaving it all for the next day’s route.Quote:
First, this is only your story and only told as you see it. I know nothing about your topic points, but am smart enough to read between the lines that youre twisting the details some just to fit your agenda. Its obvious that everything you wrote here is not accurate. BUT the problem is with the system and the government, not the unions. Overhead management, laws and the government lets these issues happen. not the union.
I can give you intimate details about my other claims, but why bother you'll just hand wave them away because they don't it your agenda. Ask me how I would know a plant in Brampton Ontario full Of CEP union members closed 20 years ago and is still operational today in Lexington Kentucky staffed by non union workers.
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And what happens when the union constantly files grievances anytime a warning is given and when a grievance hearing is held they insist it gets rescinded or they will escalate union action or ask for arbitration hearings? Now what? I know this because I attended up to 10 of these a month. Pretty sure everyone is well aware of union employees caught exhibiting very bad behaviour wh who were defended successfully by their union. I can cite several examples if you'd like.Quote:
Very, very easy- they give warnings, document, attempt to correct the behavior, suspension, demotion and if that fails- terminate. Then the union and employer can work it out. There is nothing to stop the employer from terminating. In California, union public safety employees can and have been terminated in the past- Police, fire, CHP etc. In California, a veteran police officer and union member for the California Lottery was wrongfully terminated for disagreeing with management after a winning lottery ticket investigation. She sued, won and got 500k. But as a gov. union member, she did get fired, happens often.
Except that's not how it works. Union means seniority takes precedence. You think a union will allow a 25 year employee to be laid off while the company retains someone with 6 months service?Quote:
I already covered this. Water seeks its own level and the crappy employees will slowly fall off or get removed. If they lay off, oh well. Good employers keep good employees and the trash usually gets taken out.
The point is, if your labor costs start being uncontrollable due to idiotic laws or unrealistic demands, companies will look for ways to trim and replace their workforce to save money.Quote:
The fast food workers are not union. But thank the moronic CA state government for pushing that stupid idea after they were warned it would fail. Nothing to do with the new union in Las Vegas.
I see so when casinos keep raising prices to help pay these higher wages you're 100% on board correct? Remember no complaining about how expensive Vegas is, this is what you wanted.Quote:
Yep- Good news. Thats 35% spread over 5 years equaling 7% per year. Guess what, the casino agreed to it and they know they need to keep their good employees or lose them to the other casinos who are also union and willing to pay. I addressed this above, they want to KEEP their good employees and know the high turnover rate will kill them and the 25% reduction in productivity will lead to profit loss. They figured out its better to hire and keep good employees and turn them into ASSETS instead of liability. Plus LV casinos are making record profits right now, so they know its better to pay labor and keep them happy. If you still doubt me, look up how In N Out Burger operates and then get back to me and admit, Im right. (You wont, but that's ok, I already know Im right)
Hmmmm is In N Out unionized? No? Imagine that.Quote:
Don't want to break out on too much of a tangent, but In-N-Out is a great example of how running a company well, holding employees to high standards, and overpaying for those high standards can actually work out.
That 37-second video above kinda-sorta explains it, but misses the main point.
In-N-Out decided many years ago that they want friendly, competent employees who act professional and make few mistakes. In fast food, this is a difficult task, as many fast food workers are either very young, stupid, trashy, or a combination of all three.
In-N-Out came up with a simple-yet-elegant solution.
They start off by overpaying their store manager. The store manager is required to keep very close watch on the store, ride herd on the employees under him/her, and report back to the corporation when anything goes wrong. There are zero franchised units, and customers cannot call individual stores. The corporation has full visibility into everything.
All of the workers under the manager are also overpaid. But there's a catch.
If these workers are either incompetent, lazy, or rude, they quickly get fired. They get very few chances to get their act together. Perform well, or you're out on your ass.
The manager is incentivized to do this because he/she will also get fired if they run a shitty store with lousy employees.
The manager is judged both on the business levels of the location (compared to historical averages) and the number of complaints coming in. If any location gets a lot of customer complaints, the manager is insta-fired. Therefore, the managers keep a close watch on the store, not wanting to lose their dream position.
Nobody working at In-N-Out takes the attitude of, "It's no big deal if I get fired, I'll just go to another fast food place", because they know they won't get as much money if they do that. This especially includes the manager.
So it all works.
The only exception to this occurred between 2020 and mid-2022. This was due to the low-end worker shortage at the time, tied to the COVID checks and the rising gig economy, where it was very tough to find workers for fast food and similar jobs. Therefore, companies had to tolerate bad behavior from employees far more than they did before. During that 2-year span, In-N-Out tolerated a lot more fail than usual, and it was very noticeable. They made more mistakes in those 2 years on my orders than in the prior 30 years combined. This has since mostly corrected.
At this stage of my life I could not imagine not doing paid dining on a cruise. Back in the day they used to give you lobster tails one night of a cruise in the general (free) dining room. You would see people, especially those part of the 'family reunion' literally eating 7 lobster tails each. My girlfriend (now wife) commented to me nobody should get 7 of anything at dinner, especially a public dinner. She was right is was gag worthy watching people so excited stuffing their face, and I have never sat in the general dining room on a cruise since. The great thing is if you book your paid dining online a few weeks in advance you generally get a 25% discount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I personally like going to the shows. They are cheesy but that makes them enjoyable. I did end up on stage many years ago, Wheel of Fortune. I was so drunk I finished last, you see that show it seems easy on TV, right until their is a spotlight in your face. I had 10 drinks in me so you get what you get.
https://youtu.be/Tg4OiobxUxA?si=jI69RvtXvDY3iUu4Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullAt this stage of my life I could not imagine not doing paid dining on a cruise. Back in the day they used to give you lobster tails one night of a cruise in the general (free) dining room. You would see people, especially those part of the 'family reunion' literally eating 7 lobster tails each. My girlfriend (now wife) commented to me nobody should get 7 of anything at dinner, especially a public dinner. She was right is was gag worthy watching people so excited stuffing their face, and I have never sat in the general dining room on a cruise since. The great thing is if you book your paid dining online a few weeks in advance you generally get a 25% discount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I personally like going to the shows. They are cheesy but that makes them enjoyable. I did end up on stage many years ago, Wheel of Fortune. I was so drunk I finished last, you see that show it seems easy on TV, right until their is a spotlight in your face. I had 10 drinks in me so you get what you get.
I lost a desire to go to the shows because it's a poor imitation of a Vegas show. Some of the acrobatics type shows used to be okay, I haven't seen one in awhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullAt this stage of my life I could not imagine not doing paid dining on a cruise. Back in the day they used to give you lobster tails one night of a cruise in the general (free) dining room. You would see people, especially those part of the 'family reunion' literally eating 7 lobster tails each. My girlfriend (now wife) commented to me nobody should get 7 of anything at dinner, especially a public dinner. She was right is was gag worthy watching people so excited stuffing their face, and I have never sat in the general dining room on a cruise since. The great thing is if you book your paid dining online a few weeks in advance you generally get a 25% discount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I personally like going to the shows. They are cheesy but that makes them enjoyable. I did end up on stage many years ago, Wheel of Fortune. I was so drunk I finished last, you see that show it seems easy on TV, right until their is a spotlight in your face. I had 10 drinks in me so you get what you get.
Another report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bUt3Jpqr50
Tourism down 7.3%, 2025 vs 2024.
Returning to the sub-topic of Unions in Las Vegas, I need to list the following...
Ive read and heard this same online pro/anti-union debate for years with the neo-con's on a local gun board.They've always presented the exact same material as the anti union folks here, so for me, its not a fair fight as Ive heard it all before and its easy to dismantle and break down.
I need to be very clear on this point, even though most wont comprehend or be confused- When I say I am "pro union", I am pro meaningful, realistic and FAIR labor and benefits for labor. I am absolutely NOT for wild, unrealistic and unreasonable demands for the labor side. What I am for is management and labor coming to the bargaining table for "meet and confer" for realistic, ethical and sustainable labor talks, results and long term contracts.
To give an example of the above, years ago I worked in public safety in the Bay Area. I had a chat with the union president and he gave me some insight on how our union came to the Cost Of Living Adjustment (COLA) in our contract. We simply took the average of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of the region and went to the table asking for the average increase. To very clearly said to me- "we just want to be average" and how can they (management) fight that and they didn't. We always got the average- not too high and not too low...and those COLAs were pretty nice. In my opinion, this was fair, reasonable and ethical.
Why I am pro-union- I feel each side should get fair and equal representation at the bargaining table. I do not believe management should be allowed to be draconian dictators and treat the employees unfairly, silenced and break the labor laws. Perfect example- What if management and/or customer service shut down, ignored or muzzled Dan Druff every time he called to complain about the service he received on a hotel, trip, airline, etc- Druff would stroke out if you totally silenced him. I see it the same way with a union and their members- Why should they be silenced, shut down or muzzled? If Druff can speak up, so should they. I hope Druff sees this and understands it- He wants to be fairly heard, understood and compensation ed, so should labor.
Lastly, unless someone has actually been a dues paying member of a union, I wont really listen to them on the topic, they do not know or have a real grasp of the topic. Its like me approaching Druff and giving him some playing advice at the WSOP as I have never sat down and played a hand myself. Most union haters have never been union members or had skin in the game. Sure, I will listen to you and answer your claims and debate, but unless you really know the system and been a member, you really dont know.
I will be back to address some of the points in the past posts here.
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If you need a small book to make a point, you're probably a bullshitter.
What is special is the anti-gun vs. pro-gun factions are arguing against the union/made in America vs. anti-union factions (read billionaire and slave).
Two factions divided by pie equals eternal damnation.
I know you hate Florida, and I kind of despise it now for the sheer fact its so fucking crowded. But if you go on Utopia of the Seas (their signature ship) out of Port Canaveral, they have a fabulous ice skating show. Now I hate ice skating, especially in the Olympics, but on this ship they are doing stunts that make you cringe because they are so risky, especially the women who are basically thrown up in the air, they somehow always get caught. The Jeopardy show is also funny because its so cringe worthy since most people on stage cannot even answer the most rudimentary questions. One question was about planets, can't remember the exact question but one lady wrote in "Moon".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI lost a desire to go to the shows because it's a poor imitation of a Vegas show. Some of the acrobatics type shows used to be okay, I haven't seen one in awhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgull
I know you don’t fit the mold but let’s be realistic, most cruise customers are lowlifes and morons that think it’s a “vacation and a value”. While spending far more than any normal vacation would cost. Thinking a 180 sf room doesn’t matter because they don’t spend much time in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullI know you hate Florida, and I kind of despise it now for the sheer fact its so fucking crowded. But if you go on Utopia of the Seas (their signature ship) out of Port Canaveral, they have a fabulous ice skating show. Now I hate ice skating, especially in the Olympics, but on this ship they are doing stunts that make you cringe because they are so risky, especially the women who are basically thrown up in the air, they somehow always get caught. The Jeopardy show is also funny because its so cringe worthy since most people on stage cannot even answer the most rudimentary questions. One question was about planets, can't remember the exact question but one lady wrote in "Moon".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I need to make a correction on my post. I wrote "Gross Domestic Product" and I think I meant to write "Consumer Price Index" (CPI) instead. This actual in-person conversation took place about 20 years ago, but I think the correction is more accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by desertrunner
Someone is waking up and getting it..
Enjoy Vegas with free parking and no resort fees at Boulder Station. Get more for your stay!
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Just got my offers for Sept-Dec and they are significantly better than the rest of the years "Comps"...
Still debating on whether or not to go to the RISE festival as those tickets are almost sold out and Stub Hub has them at 200% re-sale price!
BUT I could always stay close by, take an Uber down to the event and party in the parking lot and hopefully avoid any Lot Lizards!
The Eagles are playing that weekend too, and they are one of my Bucket List bands I need to see before I die, lol!
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Originally Posted by BedWetterBettor
The wife is a huge Eagles fan. Sit front of upper bowl if possible. Made the mistake of getting tickets close to stage and you lose some of the amazing visuals from there. Metallica rumored to be doing Sphere next year.
Another report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AViHArzuXw&t=338s
One very important note about working in public safety and being in a union- we can not strike. We can not go off the job as it impacts 24/7 emergency 911 response to the community. So if we are without a contract or getting the screw, we have to still go to work. Yes we can picket, but its off-duty.Quote:
Originally Posted by desertrunner
Why public safety needs unions- because one time California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger decided to take on all of the state's nurses, firefighters, cops and correctional officers-
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Back in 2005- Arnold was screwing over the firefighters with Prop 75 and an off-duty city of Alhambra firefighter refused to shake Arnold's hand.
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Like I said before, we all deserve fair and equal representation in the work force. This is not Nazi, Germany and the employer cant be Hitler.