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Originally Posted by sonatine
Curious your opinion on the Atlanta, tazer incident. Justified shooting or no?
its light years less cut and dried than the floyd murder, but i weigh it like this:
scenario one) you dont shoot a dude in the back and he gets away and your ego is hurt and you pout because he stole your taser but the world goes right on turning, and you can get a warrant out on him and catch him later.
scenario two) you end that mans life when clearly no one is in any danger.
legally justified? maybe. state sanctioned death squads get a lot of latitude. but morally justified? you have to think nothing of a human life to justify that shooting morally.
but they fired that cops ass fast and im guessing told him to check in if he plans on leaving the state so they know where he is when its time to arrest him.
you know, im not saying i have solutions to urban decay and violence etc but we have utterly failed to prevent our police from being infested with the same sociopath murderers we used to count on wars to keep busy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqHZWdFVyyQQuote:
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Originally Posted by OSA
its light years less cut and dried than the floyd murder, but i weigh it like this:
scenario one) you dont shoot a dude in the back and he gets away and your ego is hurt and you pout because he stole your taser but the world goes right on turning, and you can get a warrant out on him and catch him later.
scenario two) you end that mans life when clearly no one is in any danger.
legally justified? maybe. state sanctioned death squads get a lot of latitude. but morally justified? you have to think nothing of a human life to justify that shooting morally.
but they fired that cops ass fast and im guessing told him to check in if he plans on leaving the state so they know where he is when its time to arrest him.
you know, im not saying i have solutions to urban decay and violence etc but we have utterly failed to prevent our police from being infested with the same sociopath murderers we used to count on wars to keep busy.
I might have seen the wrong angle but I was under the impression that he turned around and pointed something at them. Maybe I am wrong.
I feel though that the bigger problem is that, psychologically, many people have an issue with understanding that when they are interacting with someone who is in a LEO capacity, there are not in control anymore. They have rights as an American citizen, but they cant interact with a significant other or a coworker the same way they do with an officer of the law. They have, throughout life, used their reasoning and manipulation abilities to get out of trouble or to solve their personal issues, and when they realize that it wont work in this situation, that's when shit rolls down hill and resisting arrest leads to panic and you then put yourself in a situation where you are making things worse and violence occurs.
In reply to OSA: It seems obvious the guy running away with the taser turned around to try to "shoot it" at the police, and then turned back around to run and got shot in the back. At that range I imagine the taser was completely useless, and him pointing it was pretty instinctual. But at the same time, the officer who decided to reply by shooting the suspect with a real gun was probably acting on instinct too.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineits light years less cut and dried than the floyd murder, but i weigh it like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by OSA
scenario one) you dont shoot a dude in the back and he gets away and your ego is hurt and you pout because he stole your taser but the world goes right on turning, and you can get a warrant out on him and catch him later.
scenario two) you end that mans life when clearly no one is in any danger.
legally justified? maybe. state sanctioned death squads get a lot of latitude. but morally justified? you have to think nothing of a human life to justify that shooting morally.
but they fired that cops ass fast and im guessing told him to check in if he plans on leaving the state so they know where he is when its time to arrest him.
you know, im not saying i have solutions to urban decay and violence etc but we have utterly failed to prevent our police from being infested with the same sociopath murderers we used to count on wars to keep busy.
I am guessing in the heat of the moment the officer wasn't even processing the guy was pointing a taser (as opposed to a real gun) at him. It is real easy to armchair QB on rewind, but I am guessing a lot harder in the heat of the moment.
I think what a lot of these situations boil down to is many police officers are not very good at making good decisions in high leverage spots when the adrenaline is pumping and they perceive their life is in danger. I suspect the ability to do this is more rare than we give credit for.
And the insane amount of guns and gun violence in our country overall (including gun violence against police) compared to every other country probably isn't helping matters either.
The cop who shot that guy was NOT fearing for his life. He was pissed off that the guy got wrestled free from him and took his taser, and used the taser being pointed at him as an excuse to shoot him. Proof? He was recorded saying to the other cop right after the shooting in a celebratory manner “Got him!”.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaardIn reply to OSA: It seems obvious the guy running away with the taser turned around to try to "shoot it" at the police, and then turned back around to run and got shot in the back. At that range I imagine the taser was completely useless, and him pointing it was pretty instinctual. But at the same time, the officer who decided to reply by shooting the suspect with a real gun was probably acting on instinct too.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I am guessing in the heat of the moment the officer wasn't even processing the guy was pointing a taser (as opposed to a real gun) at him. It is real easy to armchair QB on rewind, but I am guessing a lot harder in the heat of the moment.
I think what a lot of these situations boil down to is many police officers are not very good at making good decisions in high leverage spots when the adrenaline is pumping and they perceive their life is in danger. I suspect the ability to do this is more rare than we give credit for.
And the insane amount of guns and gun violence in our country overall (including gun violence against police) compared to every other country probably isn't helping matters either.
https://youtu.be/wxY0Rswdh1U
Drunk people are dumb.
Shouldn’t have been killed but he should have just been arrested vs punching those cops, but like I said Drunk people are dumb
He also hit him with a right cross but once again shouldn’t be shot for it.
Problem is, where does it lead if we go down the road where the cop’s SOP is to just let you go if you beat the shit out of them and run?
Seriously, what should they cops do?
Abrown brought up a good idea that maybe the penalty for resisting arrest should be huge to deter people from doing it. I’m sure there’s issues with that as well.
Almost no one does any significant time anymore. They call it criminal justice reform.
If 4dragons was black he'd be posting right now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
Maybe cops should carry two guns, one regular and one with rubber bullets. In situations like Atlanta that aren’t life threatening they could bustout the rubber bullets which do plenty of damage.
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Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
Source?
Ive seen posts of her/him/it threatening to kill itself, but nothing else.
Bump
Still looking for a source...
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Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Yeah but they already carry 2 guns. One regular and one tazer. How many variations of guns should we have on hand to handle animals who want to continue this shit??
Here’s an extremely similar situation.
https://youtu.be/ccSM9RTbmS0
Soon as this guy runs around his car and reaches for something through his window, I'm emptying the magazine into him 100% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
At least the guy in the PA video was caught and eventually given a long sentence: https://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/...831-story.html
Too bad they didn't kill him at the time it happened.
I read up on the PA case. The guy's family said he got beat up real bad in a gang fight when he was a teenager and never really recovered and has serious mental/psychological issues. So on one hand you can sympathize with his situation; but it definitely seems someone mentally capable of trying to execute 2 cops for basically no reason is a serious danger to society and a ticking time bomb ready to explode again and belongs in jail for a very very long time.
Mr Mumbles...i disagree with you there. The cops thinking is: "i get shot by the taser, i am incapacitated, and then the culp goes for my gun"...Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyThe cop who shot that guy was NOT fearing for his life. He was pissed off that the guy got wrestled free from him and took his taser, and used the taser being pointed at him as an excuse to shoot him. Proof? He was recorded saying to the other cop right after the shooting in a celebratory manner “Got him!”.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
https://youtu.be/wxY0Rswdh1U
a sequence that leads to cop getting killed, it would be reasonable imo for the office to be in fear and react accordingly...
summary judgement for the policeman, case dismissed with prejudcie
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Originally Posted by OSA
its light years less cut and dried than the floyd murder, but i weigh it like this:
scenario one) you dont shoot a dude in the back and he gets away and your ego is hurt and you pout because he stole your taser but the world goes right on turning, and you can get a warrant out on him and catch him later.
scenario two) you end that mans life when clearly no one is in any danger.
legally justified? maybe. state sanctioned death squads get a lot of latitude. but morally justified? you have to think nothing of a human life to justify that shooting morally.
but they fired that cops ass fast and im guessing told him to check in if he plans on leaving the state so they know where he is when its time to arrest him.
you know, im not saying i have solutions to urban decay and violence etc but we have utterly failed to prevent our police from being infested with the same sociopath murderers we used to count on wars to keep busy.
Atlanta police officer accused of shooting Rayshard Brooks will be charged with felony murder plus 10 more charges, DA says
i have to say chaz bono really looks like a guy now.
They attempted to set one up near the White House, and police weren't having it.
https://twitter.com/ShelbyTalcott/st...23794161012739
Somehow WaPo wouldn't put this on their front page.
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status...74973897621504
Finally some tax payers are getting together to sue the city that abandoned them.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...-disband-chop/
Looks like the latest experiment in creating a Marxist utopia is coming to its inevitable end.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
https://youtu.be/lnkwV6easkw
Oh, well. It was probably fun for some people while it lasted. Just not for the two people who got shot. (Or those business owners.)
100% support this.Quote:
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What a disgrace. One thing if they took over a public park. A entire city block..... Unreal
very disturbing saw this on pdliveQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Even the Mumbles found this funny. (And apropos in these times).
https://youtu.be/aIDRSOw-ATE
Fairly good article -- on CNN of all places -- about the demise of CHAZ/CHOP, and the causes of it.
It's long, but the cliffs: It is impossible to have a civilized society without police and without the use of force in some cases.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/05/us/ch...ety/index.html
And now this is happening.
When is it time to admit that the modern left is a cult?
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/st...77424794513408
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/st...79421677535232
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/st...81457844346880
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/st...84826415710208
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/st...87566353166341
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this is good news if it comes to nyc. the suburban housing market has really picked up as peeps want to get put of the city. that's impressive because there has been little to no growth in real estate values in 15 years
But druff you're making this up this is a strawman.Quote:
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/end sarcasm
That is dumb but way less dangerous than Trump. So the answer is "as soon as Druff admits Trump is a cult."
There fixed it for you. It’s ok to criticize your party sometimes without throwing a “but” in there to talk about Trump. It’s healthy and makes you more credible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
You're right, BUT (LOL) Druff asked a question so I answered it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishThere fixed it for you. It’s ok to criticize your party sometimes without throwing a “but” in there to talk about Trump. It’s healthy and makes you more credible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
So Seattle's latest sensitivity training spinoff is a sign off something new? Something they've been doing for years. Something that in general has been a part of culture in white collar jobs for a decade or two.
Minor detail about person doing the reporting about this. He is employed by the Discovery Institute. Conservative think tank that's looking to replace teaching evolution with creationism and something something Christian values uber alles. Something that about 3rd of all conservatives are willing to cosign for the usual cult business. Wonder if that's a sign of something.
blah blah blah "but what about conservatives" muh right wing, never call your own party out on the same bullshit when they report something, typical liberal npc stoogeQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
Ok i'll connect remarkably few dots to the slower members. This upstanding citizen that's worried about the use of taxpayer money in Seattle, works for an organization that is looking to teach creationism in every American city. Obv with taxpayer money.
1 city vs every city. One of these costs more.
this i agree with, fuck this guy's agenda, it doesn't change the fact that you don't call out similar behavior on the leftQuote:
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I think it's a waste of everyone's time. Usually the only benefit is that it employs the trainers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaithis i agree with, fuck this guy's agenda, it doesn't change the fact that you don't call out similar behavior on the leftQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
I'm guessing most cities and middle sized companies have a budget for something as stupid, whatever that be on any given year. I don't think we need to be too shocked every year about every city/company.
Why i don't call out these things more often is that they are maybe 3037th most harmful/stupid thing i can think of.
okay, I mean sure, i don't agree with this guy's agenda just like I wouldn't agree with the agenda he's reporting on.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickI think it's a waste of everyone's time. Usually the only benefit is that it employs the trainers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
I'm guessing most cities and middle sized companies have a budget for something as stupid, whatever that be on any given year. I don't think we need to be too shocked every year about every city/company.
Why i don't call out these things more often is that they are maybe 3037th most harmful/stupid thing i can think of.
6 weeks strong!!!!
keep up the good protesting.
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