i almost want you to edit this out because its literally fiscal voodoo.Quote:
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i almost want you to edit this out because its literally fiscal voodoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
I increased my position right before earnings so it shows what I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatinei almost want you to edit this out because its literally fiscal voodoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
I expect Telsa to go to $1000 over the next few years so whether I bought at $230 or $255 doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted by tony bagadonutsI increased my position right before earnings so it shows what I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I expect Telsa to go to $1000 over the next few years so whether I bought at $230 or $255 doesn't matter.
i came to the exact same conclusions, doubtless through less informed channels than you.
but if youve ever been to the google campus in the bay area, the parking lot is a literal sea of teslas.
that was the tipping point for me.
Stocks smocks, I turned 2.50 into 250 in 24 hrs. Rubes.
Here’s the problem with Tesla, they are infinitely worse for the environment than traditional cars and once the left figures that out electric vehicles will flatten out.Quote:
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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
i came to the exact same conclusions, doubtless through less informed channels than you.
but if youve ever been to the google campus in the bay area, the parking lot is a literal sea of teslas.
that was the tipping point for me.
This doesn’t even account for the fact if we get another couple million electric vehicles on the road we will have constant and continuous rolling brown outs of our power grid.
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Originally Posted by abrown83Here’s the problem with Tesla, they are infinitely worse for the environment than traditional cars and once the left figures that out electric vehicles will flatten out.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
This doesn’t even account for the fact if we get another couple million electric vehicles on the road we will have constant and continuous rolling brown outs of our power grid.
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Originally Posted by abrown83Here’s the problem with Tesla, they are infinitely worse for the environment than traditional cars and once the left figures that out electric vehicles will flatten out.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
This doesn’t even account for the fact if we get another couple million electric vehicles on the road we will have constant and continuous rolling brown outs of our power grid.
california is already converting farmland to solar collectors, the cars are best in slot as it stands eg people who can afford any car on earth are waiting months to get teslas, and none of this is even taking into consideration that there are other irons in the elon fire that can be spectacular revenue streams.
so yeah i respectfully suggest that concerns about a fuel bottleneck for electric cars sounds like Something People Shorting Tesla Would Say.
Look at the mines that they get the rare metals from, those strip mines are fucking horrible. Besides what they do to the environment, the amount of energy required to mine those minerals is insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesSay what now?Quote:
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The reality is lots of these cars are being charged by coal and natural gas burning, burning more of those is fucking terrible for the environment. So you are still burning fossil fuels it’s just not as visible as the gas is. Yes we are getting more wind and solar energy but everything I have seen says by 2030 only 30% of the energy will be generated using those clean sources.
What about these hard metals and what do we do with them when the car is done? These batteries are basically toxic and we are going to have to bury them in the Earth like we do spent fuel rods.
Lastly, great yes we are going to reduce CO2 at some level but we are also pouring new NO2 and SO2 into the environment.
This doesn’t even account for the fact that we don’t actually have enough rare Earth minerals to make the batteries at the scale that’s needed to replace all gas burning cars.
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Let us dial back the time machine Sherman - to the year 2005-7.
Full employment and folks be flush with real estate equity (loans). Nothing said “I got fuck you money” like 8mpg
There is nothing wrong with fashion
Look I've only got a couple of tinfoli hats left so let's just take the highlighted sentence above into question.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83Look at the mines that they get the rare metals from, those strip mines are fucking horrible. Besides what they do to the environment, the amount of energy required to mine those minerals is insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
The reality is lots of these cars are being charged by coal and natural gas burning, burning more of those is fucking terrible for the environment. So you are still burning fossil fuels it’s just not as visible as the gas is. Yes we are getting more wind and solar energy but everything I have seen says by 2030 only 30% of the energy will be generated using those clean sources.
What about these hard metals and what do we do with them when the car is done? These batteries are basically toxic and we are going to have to bury them in the Earth like we do spent fuel rods.
Lastly, great yes we are going to reduce CO2 at some level but we are also pouring new NO2 and SO2 into the environment.
This doesn’t even account for the fact that we don’t actually have enough rare Earth minerals to make the batteries at the scale that’s needed to replace all gas burning cars.
Your government has ditched future energy sources for one that has got us here.
The rest of the world is not doing so. So any projections you are quoting regarding energy production are antiquated
lotta IP wrapped up in those hummers?
because the IP/patents on the autodriving system alone is going to pay for his grimes clones for the next thousand years.
P.S. i don't give a flying fuck if Tesla does this or that. Letting them go on their own with no US government support or regulation and supporting a finite resource that is harmful to our environment is simply backwards. There will be other options down the road but coal and oil have had their day.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesLook I've only got a couple of tinfoli hats left so let's just take the highlighted sentence above into question.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
Your government has ditched future energy sources for one that has got us here.
The rest of the world is not doing so. So any projections you are quoting regarding energy production are antiquated
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The old saying was “lead and life don’t mix”.
We are largely just swapping problems. E-waste.
I remember reading articles about destitute kids in Indonesian land fills pawing through the recycled automotive batteries for the lead. Always thought about the reality of where the battery I turned in to AutoZone ended up.
Then I got a latte from the Starbucks drive thru and instantly felt better
Random sanlmar story 9731:
So I’m getting gray hairs. I google Grecian formula. Immediately, I am slammed with angry product reviews.
Universal and amazing pissed off reviews. Wtf.
Apparently, one of the 2 key ingredients used to be lead acetate. It occurred in concentrations that exceeded those found in old lead paint.
The Grecian formula was revised and according to loyal customers of decades or more ... the product now is worthless.
Great trivia
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that quote is from 2014. tesla is a patent factory and has been for a minute. they may have open sourced elements of their auto driving technology but by every known metric, its a market of one for the forseeable future.
google AI+tesla+patent, they are playing great.
and so we are clear the model y is going to be bigger than early 80s van halen.
Yeah, David Lee Roth before he lost his hair.
Everybody goes to parties
They dance this mess around
tbh I’m losing my passion for the Tesla debate and am just messing around wit u.
I’m prolly gonna get some electric performance - hybrid? Who knows? Doubt it’ll be Tesla. The market will be filthy with choices any moment now.
The new mid engine Corvette was designed with electric in mind. That informs my small mind.
one thing that disappoints me about the model 3 / model y, is this obsession with 'performance' aka going from 0 to 60 in like 3.4 seconds.
the most immediate cost of that fetish is that it has racing tires. and they are not durable.
i am really, really, really hoping i can put some normal goddamned all weather suv tires on a model y.
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oh dont worry, since im backing them publicly you can rest absolutely assured that any minute now, musk is going to smoke angel dust on facebook livestream and remotely program all his cars to crash into the nearest power plant.
panel gaps the size of sebock's cock, water in the tail lights, paint wearing off six month old cars, battery packs exploding on impact, hella problems with service in general and in particular them honoring any part of their warranties, the company can barely meet payroll week to week, behind months to vendors, literally dozens of executives and head of departments leaving, .....
i could go on. #TeslaQ
that said, customers who somehow fade a lemon usually love their car and say it's like time traveling
i wish them the best and hope they get their shit straight but tesla could literally go belly-up tomorrow
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the model 3s have been an absolute spectacular success. no one is saying tesla is too big to fail but anyone taking #teslaq seriously is discardable by virtually any meaningful metric. teslas are _everywhere_ and the venn diagram of people ranting about panel gaps and exploding battery packs and people bleeding to death because of their tsla shorts is a single circle.
it simply no longer matters how many staged sleeping driver videos go viral at this point, that tipping point has been reached; its proven tech.
250kw chargers, are now.
solar chargers on roofs that power the cars for fucking free, are now.
china production, is now.
i pre-ordered a model y and you know what? its going to be a fucking mess when it arrives. its going to have fucked up panels and water in the lights and im not going to give a teensy, weensy fuck because a) teslas going to quietly fix all that shit and b) when i get my carbon wrap and dechrome it, im going to drive a fucking stealth bomber with a white leather interior and a 180 degree uninterrupted glass encased cockpit that drives its fucking self to the nearest 20/40 LHE game.
you are delusional and clearly haven't done any researchQuote:
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Originally Posted by WillieMcFML
the model 3s have been an absolute spectacular success. no one is saying tesla is too big to fail but anyone taking #teslaq seriously is discardable by virtually any meaningful metric. teslas are _everywhere_ and the venn diagram of people ranting about panel gaps and exploding battery packs and people bleeding to death because of their tsla shorts is a single circle.
it simply no longer matters how many staged sleeping driver videos go viral at this point, that tipping point has been reached; its proven tech.
250kw chargers, are now.
solar chargers on roofs that power the cars for fucking free, are now.
china production, is now.
i pre-ordered a model y and you know what? its going to be a fucking mess when it arrives. its going to have fucked up panels and water in the lights and im not going to give a teensy, weensy fuck because a) teslas going to quietly fix all that shit and b) when i get my carbon wrap and dechrome it, im going to drive a fucking stealth bomber with a white leather interior and a 180 degree uninterrupted glass encased cockpit that drives its fucking self to the nearest 20/40 LHE game.
how's advanced summon going?
drives itself? elon's been charging for that feature for years and it's still even close to being ready
teslas going to fix this shit quietly??? this might be the most lol part of your post
demand is down worldwide for teslas - thousands of unsold tesla's are sitting uncovered in parking lots despite elon's salesmanship and tesla slashing their prices every two weeks
unfortunately, if tesla doesn't get their shit together, porsche and several other companies are going to eat their lunch (they've already started)...and then waymo will come by and give them the death blow
and nothing really even needs to be said about their lol solar panels
i apologize if you feel like youre not being taken seriously but lets be honest; youre definitely not being taken seriously and thats not likely to change as long as your 'research' is nothing but lologanda from twitter and other teslaq mean girls.
meanwhile....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIoVedXW2pE
"china production is now"Quote:
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i can't continue a discussion when almost everything you say isn't factual
is it more or less factual than you being in an estrogen tantrum because you cant afford
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigafactory_3
but yeah i mean, you can ignore videos, market data, and actual real world events if its going to make you feel better about ... things. honestly its fine.
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i misread production when you obv said under construction
just admit you have no idea what you are talking about
lol solar panels
like the only thing that makes me sad about this exchange is that you cant find joy in a quantum leap in transportation technology.
even if tesla folds tomorrow, the tech they put on the roads is going to get snatched up and put into other cars and its still going to be breath taking.
but youre not wired to enjoy that?
fucking wild shit man, get a therapist.
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oh dont worry, since im backing them publicly you can rest absolutely assured that any minute now, musk is going to smoke angel dust on facebook livestream and remotely program all his cars to crash into the nearest power plant.
You can ignore financials too. The more cars it sells the more it loses. It is forever struggling to meet manufacturing targets nevertheless. This quarter will not surprise to the upside either.Quote:
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This is another company that is the product of the fiction that is QE post 2008
A p/e and -eps that would be unsustainable in a healthy environment. Things get a little rocky and investors will pull out cause the promise was stock price growth in the absence of profit.
Gigafactory brought to you by Panasonic btw
Volkswagen/Porsche will be just fine to cite one example.
that Tesla has made valuable contributions to production electric vehicles can’t be argued. Studebaker did wonderful things with fiberglass and style with the Avanti too. It’s just not a company that successfully produces cars for a capitalist society.
History is rich with fantastic characters and their car companies. It’s a shame that there is no room for niche manufacturers as can be found in the motorcycle industry. It just never works out.
Except the super cars like Pagani.
I agree the world is generally better off as a result of their failed effort.
I love cars and Tesla never engaged me. I’ve tried
like you can call them studabaker or delorean or spruce fucking goose, the fact remains that their car is best in slot and musk has quite literally changed the world.
im hearing great things from people who own teslas. billiam hears terrible things from people who are watching their fortunes evaporate while waiting for teslas stock to crash.
and if i had to guess, id say ill be driving my space car while billiam continues to harvest vitriole from lol teslaq.
Spruce Goose and Howard Hughes in aerospace
A fascinating parallel with Musk on a lot of levels.
Both were showmen. Both made enormous contributions. Both will end up holed up in some Vegas hotel room with the drapes drawn.
Hughes loved women. Musk... not so much.
Cars have always been about sex as every sixteen year old male knows. That Musk cannot relate to this element may go a long way to explaining things.
In a way, you’re both right. In Northern VA, without exaggerating, one in every five cars I see on the road are teslas. I didn’t care much for the tesla until I heard John Carmack basically say that his P100D is superior to every super Ferrari he’s ever owned. But I can’t shake the feeling that from a financial pov TSLA is something of a disaster. Be mindful of the fact that the Saudis are the last marginal buyers of TSLA equity and debt and they are essentially the worst investors to ever roam the earth.
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i think musk's taste in women are exactly what one can expect from a guy who sent his signature vehicle into fucking space on the tip of a rocket his other company built.
That the instant torque is intoxicating and unmatched by the combustion engine can’t be denied.
However you are not going to convince me the steering response and tuning and suspension geometry rival Ferrari Krypt
Where I live there are times you’d swear it was one out of five. Plastic water bottles are illegal too so it’s a political and fashion statement.
I see older Teslas approach me on the road with their withered paint and homely front end and I instantly think Dodge Stratus 2002.
also i think we need to at least acknowledge two things:
1) the model y is a crossover suv, aka the most popular car configuration in contemporary america by light years.
2) its profit margins will be higher than the model 3 according to all known data, beyond which it shares a lot of the same hardware as the model 3.
am i going to be clutching pearls if tesla goes to zero tomorrow morning? not really, shit happens.
but if i had to predict the most likely disaster scenario its going to be some nonsense where we all have to replace our batteries in 6 years because the latest greatest chargers will destroy them, something along those lines, and its going to suck and be expensive and There Will Be Lawsuits.. but yeah teslaq just seems like twitter nerdrage at this point.
You would be 100% correct 25 years ago.Quote:
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