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You'll also need to consider this entire board / sideburns.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by JMM
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Originally Posted by PuppyMonkeyBabyJust going to leave this here for your consideration.
You'd also need to consider that Diaz stands right in front of you, and doesn't move his head.
4oz gloves.
170 pounds.
Kicks and elbows.
And the fact that everyone simply doesn't cut the same.
I have no clue what the fuck this article is talking about.
http://awfulannouncing.com/boxing/ma...dds-fight.html
Betonline actually has Floyd an even bigger favorite than before at -720. Conor at +545
Someone who has a Bovada account check that shit, there is no way the gap can be that wide.
The line has moved considerably since it opened, IIRC Floyd was in the -1200 range when this went live, but the cult of Conor always seems to stack their dole checks on him so yeah, the line has moved. On top of which, a lot of perfectly rational people are taking the Conor via KO in rd 1-4 line, which has great value.
So yeah I'm side-eyeing the assertion that this had anything to do with the pressers.
So, l can get +290 that Mayweather gets knocked down. Isn't this easy money folks?
In response to JMM, I think McGregors boxing credentials are being massively downplayed. Read his wiki:
Background
When McGregor was twelve years old, he began boxing at Crumlin Boxing Club under two-time Olympian Phil Sutcliffe.[165] It was here where he laid the foundations to his striking ability,[166] training with fighters such as Dean Byrne and Jamie Kavanagh, both of whom went on to train at Wild Card Gym under Freddie Roach. Kavanagh recalls McGregor as "a game kind of boxer. He was very game. He loved to fight. But he was also very strong - he could seriously bang."[167] McGregor would eventually become an All-Ireland champion at youth level,[168] but his attention began to turn towards other martial arts when he was about sixteen.[165] Despite this, and his family moving to West Dublin, McGregor continued boxing. He has regularly sparred at Celtic Warrior Gym, Blanchardstown, which has been home to boxers such as Gary O'Sullivan and Frank Buglioni.[169][170] Head coach Packie Collins, brother of Steve, commented "he comes down here and he can hold his own with world champions." He continued "I won’t name names but, the last time he was up here a very good boxer of ours couldn’t make head nor tail of what Conor was doing. He has what appears like a kind of chopping movement when he strikes and he doesn’t use a traditional stance, so this guy just couldn’t time him at all."[171]
On paper its still an epic mismatch, but it's not without merit - like I hear some saying how he has 0 chance because he's never boxed before.
Mayweather is not going to get touched. This will basically be like Canelo vs Chavez JrQuote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
McGregor routinely gets his ass handed to him in sparring sesions with guys ranked between 10-20. He is BOXING arguably the greatest BOXER of all time. You can't just pick up timing in training camp. The timing required to box at the elite level is so far beyond what McGregor or any other human could learn in such a short period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
Yeah, he boxed as a kid. Most people are talking about the fact that he's never boxed as PRO before.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
I don't know who he's boxed at the gyms in Ireland, but Freddy Roach said he visited his gym, and Freddy's guys busted him up pretty good.
The angles and unpredictability are what he has going for him. Some of those chopping shots like Maidana landed are what bothered Floyd so much in their first fight. Shit he's not expecting because they're coming from angles he's not used to from boxers.
That said, I don't think his footwork will be near good enough to get to the positions that Maidana got to.
Floyd is a master at setting traps and getting the fuck out of the way. Conor should be hitting air for however long it lasts.
I get a kick out of people saying "well, McGregor has been boxing since he was a kid!"
But, do you know who else has been boxing a pretty long time? Floyd Mayweather.
Closer to the fight need set up a prediction freeroll. Pick the result round or decision, dead heat rules apply.
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Originally Posted by RegGaymer
So if you think McGregor's boxing credentials are going to help him vs Floyd, you must be absolutely positive that Nate Diaz could beat Floyd's ass like a tambourine or something?
Arguably being the key word there. Mayweather is smart give him that, he cherry picked all the winnable fights against fighters who were not usually bigger than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by El GalloMcGregor routinely gets his ass handed to him in sparring sesions with guys ranked between 10-20. He is BOXING arguably the greatest BOXER of all time. You can't just pick up timing in training camp. The timing required to box at the elite level is so far beyond what McGregor or any other human could learn in such a short period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
If u rank a top 100 all time boxing list I doubt he makes top 20 and that's being generous
I see no reason why McGregor can't pick up a few of the early rounds if he lands some and makes Floyd miss on the counter, after that who knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
So if you think McGregor's boxing credentials are going to help him vs Floyd, you must be absolutely positive that Nate Diaz could beat Floyd's ass like a tambourine or something?
Nate can box, not at pro boxing level, but McGregor has power on his side which gives him a fair punchers chance
Mayweather wouldn't crack the top 20? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymerArguably being the key word there. Mayweather is smart give him that, he cherry picked all the winnable fights against fighters who were not usually bigger than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gallo
If u rank a top 100 all time boxing list I doubt he makes top 20 and that's being generous
Other pro fighters consider him one of the best ever, and damn sure the best of his generation.
No respectable list leaves him out of the top 20.
Full disclosure, one of my wagers is Conor in rd 1-4, but again Nate outboxed Conor... soooooo badly.
Mayweather is no.1 in boxing at what he does. MAKE MONEY! You can't even mention his name in the same breath as some of the true warrior boxers of past generations.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMMMayweather wouldn't crack the top 20? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
Other pro fighters consider him one of the best ever, and damn sure the best of his generation.
No respectable list leaves him out of the top 20.
I still think that is a good bet to hedge against Floyd by decision. I have a theory that Connor has worked on his cardio since the Diaz fights and is going to come out semi-berserker style and swarm him. He knows that if he gets one good clip in that makes Floyd even a bit wobbly the defenses will fall to a great degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Please. Mayweather would have been competitive in any era of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymerMayweather is no.1 in boxing at what he does. MAKE MONEY! You can't even mention his name in the same breath as some of the true warrior boxers of past generations.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMM
You seem a lot like the people who think Mayweather's career started at 147.
He lost in the amateurs enough times, and was beaten in the pros but got a gifted at least 1 decision.
As if you gonna mention his name next to greats like Sugar Ray Robinson.
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Originally Posted by RegGaymer
Dude, I hate Mayweather.... but truly elite boxers have been made to look like silly by him.... guys like Canelo, Cotto, Marquez, Juddah, Mosley... got systematically picked apart by him. There is no way McGreggor is 20% the boxer Mosley was.
Christ dude. Everyone loses in the Am's.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
He hasn't been gifted a single decision. You can't find ONE fight of his that he lost clearly.
Castillo 1 was close.
Maidana 1 was close.
No other fight was close.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Your entire argument is that he lost as an amateur and had a close pro fight.
Can't mention him with Sugar Ray Robinson who lost 19 times, though.
Your own goddamn argument works against you.
I love people bringing up Sugar Ray Robinson all the time. Yeah bro I'm sure you've really analyzed those 3 videos from 1947 long enough to form an intelligent argument.
Yeah I watches the Castillo fight and he was def having problems there with his aggression. Close but seemed like he didn't do enough ftw.
Not sure bout Maidana, some say he lost first 1 too, bit he put a poll on twitter who he should fight next and the result was khan but he never fought him - they say styles make fighys, and khans speed would have been better
Obv he also ducked Margarito
Close fights aren't "gift decisions".Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
All Khan had was speed.
And "styles makes fights" is the most over used phrase in boxing. If the style made the fight, the same style would win every time. It's the ability to implement the style that wins the fight. And Khan was terrible at sticking to a gameplan.
That fight goes something like.....Khan starts out with quick jabs. Floyd gets the timing down of his jab, starts to counter. Khan stops throwing the jab because of the counters. Floyd sweeps the late rounds and wins 8 rounds to 4.
It takes more than speed.
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Originally Posted by JMMClose fights aren't "gift decisions".Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
All Khan had was speed.
And "styles makes fights" is the most over used phrase in boxing. If the style made the fight, the same style would win every time. It's the ability to implement the style that wins the fight. And Khan was terrible at sticking to a gameplan.
That fight goes something like.....Khan starts out with quick jabs. Floyd gets the timing down of his jab, starts to counter. Khan stops throwing the jab because of the counters. Floyd sweeps the late rounds and wins 8 rounds 4.
It takes more than speed.
What he said
That's the only legitimate fight that I think anyone can say he ducked.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
Granted, he did turn it away to make $8 million, and win a title in an easier fight. Anyone in his position would have done the same.
May weather got his ass handed to him in sparring years ago by some American Italian boxer, can't remember his name, who got sent down for beating his gf and pulling a flick knife and a blueberry muffin at a grocery store checkout
Paul Spadafora.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
And that was a rumor.
And it was sparring.
And sparring isn't a real fight.
And you're grasping at straws.
I can do this all night. Keep 'em coming.
Lol its not a rumour
No smoke without fire ya get me
Tis true that sparring stories are to be taken with a pinch of salt tho
Of course it was a rumor. There's no proof of it happening, so it's as good as he said/she said.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
I believe Spadafora probably did get the better of him in a sparring session.
In a....SPARRING session.
Sparring isn't about winning. It's about testing. You try new things, new moves, punches from different angles, setting up traps, working on your stamina, defense, etc.
Sparring isn't judged because sparring is training.
lol jmm loves boxing so much hes out here arguing with an actual retard JUST FOR THE LOVE OF THE SPORT
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Originally Posted by JMMThat's the only legitimate fight that I think anyone can say he ducked.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
Granted, he did turn it away to make $8 million, and win a title in an easier fight. Anyone in his position would have done the same.
I disagree. I think he ducked a lot of people including Manny for many years. He should have fought Cotto 3 years earlier. I also consider fighting Canelo when he was only 21 a pretty shitty thing to do. He did not fight the best available fighters the last 6 years of his career.... he is still, in my opinion, the best boxer of all time. I think Julio César Chávez is high on the list of best boxers ever and he always fought the best available boxers.
I have lolwow on ignore bcoz he used to be a terrible poster.
I now read his posts when I get the chance as he is competition on here and that's saying something
No offense but u sound like somewhere in the middle of casual and boxing expertQuote:
Originally Posted by El GalloQuote:
Originally Posted by JMM
I disagree. I think he ducked a lot of people including Manny for many years. He should have fought Cotto 3 years earlier. I also consider fighting Canelo when he was only 21 a pretty shitty thing to do. He did not fight the best available fighters the last 6 years of his career.... he is still, in my opinion, the best boxer of all time. I think Julio César Chávez is high on the list of best boxers ever and he always fought the best available boxers.
Chavez Jr is nothing compared to his father / thread
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Originally Posted by RegGaymerNo offense but u sound like somewhere in the middle of casual and boxing expertQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gallo
Chavez Jr is nothing compared to his father / thread
Lol... read again... I didn't say Jr
Never mind.
I don't have the energy to go through the Manny ordeal again. Long story short, I blame 90% of that fight not happening sooner on Bob Arum. He knew Manny wasn't beating Floyd so he made excuses to hold the fight up. Remember, Arum said Mayweather was the best he'd seen since Ali. Until he left Top Rank. Then the shit storm began.Quote:
Originally Posted by El GalloQuote:
Originally Posted by JMM
I disagree. I think he ducked a lot of people including Manny for many years. He should have fought Cotto 3 years earlier. I also consider fighting Canelo when he was only 21 a pretty shitty thing to do. He did not fight the best available fighters the last 6 years of his career.... he is still, in my opinion, the best boxer of all time. I think Julio César Chávez is high on the list of best boxers ever and he always fought the best available boxers.
Floyd tried to fight Cotto earlier. Cotto's team said he wasn't ready. Canelo had over 40 pro fights when he fought Floyd. He's the same fighter today, that he was then. He'd lose the exact same way in a rematch. Canelo just doesn't fight in the manner that it takes to rattle Mayweather. I do think he's got a real good shot to beat GGG, though.
People forget that Mayweather tried to fight a lot of these guys early on. They didn't want any part of him until he became the cash cow. Mosley didn't want him at 140 because he had to get some dental work done. Cotto said it was too early. Pacquiao wanted a cutoff date for drug testing.
People just hate Mayweather because he's a shitty person. Which is fine, but it blinds them from the facts.
Smartest thing you've said.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
Apologies el gallo for not reading your post properly
You still a boxing casual tho
Enjoy smoking Floyd Mayweather dick u loser
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Again, I'm not a Mayweather fan. But he is the best boxer in history... why is calling me a casual fan an insult in your mind? Are you an expert in the sport of boxing... I was unaware.