I'm not saying he doesn't, but I think we've come to realize that poker players don't always tell thed truth, and depending on WHO is doing the backing there could be a number of reasons for him to say this. I find it hard to believe that Kyllonen has $10+ million in liquid cash, and anything less than that he is uber-degenQuote:
Originally Posted by fluffer
there is a video where he confirmed that he has 100% of himselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
How do you make that fold? It's got to be a brutal fold especially if it was a business man vs. pro. I seriously doubt any pro is going to make that laydown.Quote:
Originally Posted by shortbuspokerGalfond tweeted it. Tuckman said that guy folded quad eights on a board that could only lose to 9 10 suitedQuote:
Originally Posted by hotshott74
Found his tweet:
Phil Galfond @PhilGalfond
Just saw the craziest hand I've ever seen. Guy folded 88 face up on Js87s8sKs.
if i was a player and was in my mid-late 20s and had $5MM net worth i'd probably take the chance of buying the vast majority of myself in a tourney like this...it's a retirement ticket waiting to be cashed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-OI'm not saying he doesn't, but I think we've come to realize that poker players don't always tell thed truth, and depending on WHO is doing the backing there could be a number of reasons for him to say this. I find it hard to believe that Kyllonen has $10+ million in liquid cash, and anything less than that he is uber-degenQuote:
Originally Posted by fluffer
yeah the variance is gonna be cringeworthy, but fuck it cant be any worse than multitabling 50/100, 100/200, 200/400 PLO...
That 6 was a gutshot that he tried bluffing flop-call, turn-call and hit it on river. Fucking sick two pots think he is running good or what?Quote:
phil_hellmuth @phil_hellmuth
Just won a $6 million pot on the live coverage: my A-A vs their K-K all in pre-flop...Got lucky vs @RealKidPoker and hit a 6 on river...
Mizrachi is doing his best Paris Hilton right now taking all the ass fucking that Saloman can dish out
he actually saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve-OI'm not saying he doesn't, but I think we've come to realize that poker players don't always tell thed truth, and depending on WHO is doing the backing there could be a number of reasons for him to say this. I find it hard to believe that Kyllonen has $10+ million in liquid cash, and anything less than that he is uber-degenQuote:
Originally Posted by fluffer
''what am i going to do, buy a car, property.....why not gamble?''
then makes the whining call against Mizrachi with the king high flushQuote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
Sicko degen it is then! Holy shit, jens may just be my new favorite player with an attitude like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by flufferhe actually saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
''what am i going to do, buy a car, property.....why not gamble?''
its funny, moments before he was asked what his greatest strengths as a poker player wereQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve-OSicko degen it is then! Holy shit, jens may just be my new favorite player with an attitude like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by fluffer
''i would have to say game selection and bankroll management''
he must be hanging out with ziggy back in finland...Quote:
Originally Posted by flufferits funny, moments before he was asked what his greatest strengths as a poker player wereQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
''i would have to say game selection and bankroll management''
Is there a feed for this?
einhorn ftw...
http://www.homevideos.com/freezefram...ctective15.jpg
:lol2Quote:
Originally Posted by flufferits funny, moments before he was asked what his greatest strengths as a poker player wereQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
''i would have to say game selection and bankroll management''
Its funny to watch these guys with the massages, phones texting, and one guy had a meal in first hour in a $1mm tourney. Jees, I would want to focus totally on the game at these prices.....
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by BUBBLES
Watching the one drop feed. The massage girl is smoking hot!
and one guy had a meal in first hourQuote:
Originally Posted by Charham
Are you fucking serious?
I get nervous for $ 200 entry tournament, no way could I eat at that table.
Chip Counts
Posted 17 minutes ago by 123md
Chip Counts
Frederique Banjout FR FR 8,390,000 790,000 pos
Phil Hellmuth US US 8,105,000 135,000 pos
Brian Rast US US 7,650,000 -700,000 neg
Sam Trickett GB GB 5,785,000 985,000 pos
David Einhorn US US 5,475,000 75,000 pos
Bobby Baldwin US US 5,082,000 1,332,000 pos
Mikhail Smirnov RU RU 5,077,000 -723,000 neg
Antonio Esfandiari US US 3,983,000 283,000 pos
John Morgan US US 3,911,000 -89,000 neg
Ben Lamb US US 3,840,000 115,000 pos
Brandon Steven US US 3,815,000 -225,000 neg
Mike Sexton US US 3,588,000 128,000 pos
Gus Hansen MC MC 3,481,000 31,000 pos
Jason Mercier US US 3,365,000 465,000 pos
Roland De Wolfe 3,310,000 360,000 pos
Vivek Rajkumar US US 3,290,000 -335,000 neg
Rick Salomon 3,268,000 -1,132,000 neg
Phil Ivey US US 3,248,000 198,000 pos
Tom Marchese US US 3,210,000 -140,000 neg
Richard Yong MY MY 3,105,000 235,000 pos
Noah Schwartz US US 2,963,000 -12,000 neg
Robert Bright US US 2,894,000 -206,000 neg
Paul Newey GB GB 2,583,000 198,000 pos
Talal Shakerchi GB GB 2,490,000 165,000 pos
Bill Perkins 2,390,000 -460,000 neg
Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...limit-hold-em/
:scalirQuote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415and one guy had a meal in first hourQuote:
Originally Posted by Charham
Are you fucking serious?
I get nervous for $ 200 entry tournament, no way could I eat at that table.
holy shit what a hand between Antonio and Mercier. aces vs kings and Esfandiari is up to around 17 million
Sick hand KK vs AA... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by shortbuspoker
Rofl kill yourself if you rail this shit
i'll get right on that while they're on dinner breakQuote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
the stream seemed to be all Micon'd up for me. Shits the bed every few seconds and crashes.
click the 'HD' button...download Veetle if you have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK Star
UQuote:
Originally Posted by shortbuspokeri'll get right on that while they're on dinner breakQuote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
Rofl
:facepalm
god i hate both these commentators - Doc Sands, Joe Hachem time switch it up
Johnny Chan and Patrik Antonius were supposed to play in this tournament.
What the fuck happened? They play in high stakes cash games in Macau all the time for millions of dollars.
I'm sure next year the cap for this $1 million dollar buy-in tourney will be set at 100 players.
However Caesars/Harrah's will find a way to overcharge and fuck the players out of their cash.
:shock
Hachem is brutal, why the dislike for Sands? I thought he did a pretty good job.Quote:
Originally Posted by yaahello
least we'll have some decent comms tonight in lon/norm and olivier, can't stand tuchman.
Tuchman reminds me of Brian Kilmeade when he used to do sportsQuote:
Originally Posted by rickastley
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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker
I didn't read the thread and I assume someone pointed out that you are not very knowledgeable about how poker taxes work. There is an IRS form that even I turn into the IRS most years called the W2-G
Basically you count your profits minus your expenses at the END OF THE YEAR. This includes hotel, gas food etc.
Let's say you play 2 tournaments in 2012. Let's say you win the first and the prize is $1,060,000. Lets say you paid 50k entry...so you have $1,010,000 in profit. Lets say you flew in from Florida and your total travel expenses are $5k a tournament. You have $1,005,000 in taxable income.
So when you travel to tourney number #2 the $1,000,000 buy in plus travel costs.
You now have zero in taxable income. it is set up just like a business dude.
If I sell cranes and I buy one for a million, make 300k and use that money to buy another one which I sell in 2013....my federal taxable income is zero fro the year if I hadn't sold the second crane for a profit by Dec 31, 2012. They don't tax me on every crane i sell, they tax me at the end of the year after i paid my secretaries, rent etc. Its the same with poker. Or blackjack. Its a business. They dont tax me after every single fucking blackjack hand or even every single winning night or month. taxes or yearly.
the only exception on the top of my head that is relevent is slot jackpots and other luckbox jackpots. The feds take the money out AT THE TIME, similar to your paycheck. This is to prevent unsophisticated degens from spending those winnings and then claiming poverty. Which happened often. Anyway even if you win a 3 million slot jackpot, pay 1 million in fed tax upfront....if you then entered the 1 million event and lost.......and blew the other 2 million on craps you would file that on your taxes that you made zero gaming income and the IRS would give you a tax refund of one million on the money they took out of your slot jackpot.
It all gets figured out yearly. Not by the moment. As that would constitute a double tax at the end of the year.
i hope this helps.
The betting odds on this thing are out of line, way overestimating the skill advantage in a donkament where there really aren't any weak players that will fold to cash up a level. They will take spots and let the cards runout. So the odds should be much closer to the chipstack advantage. This is especially true given the prize weight on first. The tricky ICM spots where amateurs make mistakes are not really there. Making what is normally a bad call with a good hand is now a good call because of the top heavy payout.
There is just no way anyone is a 2:1 favorite in this structure with these players.
Set odds:
Payouts:
Chip counts:
I'm sure that you know more about it than I do but my main point was that for someone who has had tax problems in the past to blow a million that he just won is absurd. I'm not sure about Nevada but in Mississippi they will deduct state taxes(albeit it not a high percentage) before they pay you out on any score over $1200 and give you a state w-2g or i9g I can't remember which number.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMBLE-BOT
Not that I'd bet but if I was I think their is some real value on Brian Rast to ship it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deal
At 8:1 I think a lot of smart money will pick Rast. At the odds layed the best bets are against Tricket and Antonio.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPokerNot that I'd bet but if I was I think their is some real value on Brian Rast to ship it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deal
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Originally Posted by Deal
Exactly. I think the worst bet in history is on the British guy. This guy is staked heavily and he needs to scrape into the top 3 or 4 to have a decent profit. I can't imagine Rast having a favorable stake deal either, but at least he is going off at 8-1.
If helmuth is staked he is getting a great deal IMHO and it shouldnt be that great of a factor. I know people dog him on his play but he is so well known he can get a stake with a great payback. I really believe he is the best bet considering the odds. I like him in these situations. He does well and he is only against 3 other people who still play poker for a living.
Guy Liberte is not winnning his own tourney and he will meltdown if he gets in final 3 trying to be too flambo. 6-1? Come on man.
Esfiandari is the second worst bet here. He probably is getting stakes too and 2 to 1 is ridiculous.
I think Einhorn or Baldwin is the second best bet here.
Id bet-
Helmuth
Einhorn
baldwin
Yong
Rast
Liberte
Esfiandari
Trickett
If anyone likes one of these more than i do in a different order, I will book your bet if you book mine.
In other words. If you like Trickett and want to bet against Rast, I will take it. i won't bet against Einhorn and bet on Rast though for example.
Let me know.
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Originally Posted by shortbuspokerI'm sure that you know more about it than I do but my main point was that for someone who has had tax problems in the past to blow a million that he just won is absurd. I'm not sure about Nevada but in Mississippi they will deduct state taxes(albeit it not a high percentage) before they pay you out on any score over $1200 and give you a state w-2g or i9g I can't remember which number.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMBLE-BOT
Again, the state can take out the taxes like a jackpot, but if you don't make any money on gambling they have to end it back. If you win small poker torunies and have this state tax taken out like in Louisiana, but then dont file a LA return stating you lost x gambling at craps with some ATM machine receipt....you just paid a stupid tax. Especially in MS
No state tax in Nevada would apply.
Yes he is putting too much of his bankroll if he he isnt staked.
Even if i was the grinder this isn't a good tourney pay out and field to have much of an edge IMO. The only wildcard is establishing yourself as a brand like Helmuth. If this thing takes off on TV, and I know zero about what kind of TV will apply, then being on camera a lot in a well promoted TV tourney can be worth money in future horseshit freerolls at local indian casino championships, ad money and guest appearances, if executed correctly. Phil works this angle now, so does Antonio, but I have never heard of Grinder being sponsored by anyone anywhere in brick or mortar.