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Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by Tellafriend
to be clear, the joke is that the arabic numerals are literally the decimals 0 to 9.
oh snap. got me.
did catshit get the joke too or are you/others joshing on him?
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Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
to be clear, the joke is that the arabic numerals are literally the decimals 0 to 9.
oh snap. got me.
did catshit get the joke too or are you/others joshing on him?
i assure you he did not get the joke.
The "Arabic numerals" trick has been used for the last few years for haughty libs to pretend they're intellectually superior to conservatives.
That term is rarely used anymore. In fact, it was never even formally taught to me. I ran into it when reading a 1960s math book we were using in elementary school, instructing me to write "Arabic numerals". The 8-year-old me was thinking, "What? We never learned numbers in Arabic!"
Then I turned the page and it showed the first few answers, and they were regular numbers. "Oh, so that's what they mean by Arabic numerals!", I thought to myself. The term seemed weird to me, but I accepted it.
I didn't hear about Arabic numerals again until libs were using it in the 2010s to bait MAGA people on social media.
When some white liberal chick on my Facebook was posting screen shots of conservatives being fooled by it, I asked her, "Would you like to make a bet that if I went to a meeting of any group of mostly white liberals, most would have no idea what an Arabic numeral is?" She wouldn't take the bet, and in fact conceded that I was probably right. I then asked why she found this so funny if people on HER side also mostly didn't know the term, and she replied, "I'm just showing how ignorant conservatives are."
Sigh.
I gave up.
Anyway, Mamdani hasn't formally taken office yet, and we have synagogues in NYC being surrounded by protesters screaming about "intifada", and whatever this fucking mess is:
https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1991466551740953082
NYC will be London soon enough.
The whole "Arabic numerals" thing is mainly an attempt by leftists to promote third wordlism, especially Islamism, and shit on Western progress. The truth is the ME was relatively advanced in culture, math and sciences BEFORE it became Islamic. Before the 7th century the ME and North Africa was generally what we would call "Western", both in culture and genetically*.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
And starting in the 7th century when Jihadis from different parts of Asia invaded, conquered and ethnically replaced (or race mixed) with previous populations; Islam destroyed all progress, as it does. Although depending on place, it would often take a century or two from when Mohammedans would initially conquer a territory and their previous culture was degraded in favor of Islam.
And the cultural takeover and degradation was variable. Persia and Spain did a much better job of retaining native culture (with Spain eventually pushing the Muslims out and recovering fully) whereas most of North Africa and what we now called the Arab world (which wasn't Arab at all before Islam) just became backward shitholes permanently.
So leftists do this trick where they say look at all this progress that happened AFTER Muslims took over. But the truth is all the progress happened by remnants of previous civilizations that hadn't been completely assimilated and degraded yet, and when Islamic assimilation progressed to a certain point all innovation and progress invariably stops.
* This is why in much of the Islamic world, especially Egypt, genetic analysis of mummy's is forbidden, because they want to suppress that the current inhabitants of Egypt are not the descendants of ancient Egyptian civilization, but mainly occupiers hailing from other parts of the world who came much later. Your average Greek or Italian probably is closer genetically to Cleopatra than the vast majority of the 100 million Egyptians living there today.
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Originally Posted by Kalam
fascinating...
chatGPT 5.1
does Israel have strict rules regarding dna tests
Israel treats DNA testing the way a skittish rancher treats a gate: it’ll let people through, but only if it absolutely knows they won’t start any trouble. The rules are unusually strict compared to most Western countries, and the reason is simple but heavy: Jewish/halachic lineage and the legal status of children.
Here’s the terrain, straight up:
Israel’s government does not want DNA tests casually determining parentage, because accidental proof of the wrong parent can create a legal category called mamzer (a child born from certain prohibited relationships). That status affects marriage eligibility under Jewish law. The state tries very hard to avoid creating new ones.
So the rules:
• You can’t do legal paternity/maternity DNA tests on your own.
A court order is required—yes, even if all the adults consent. Private mail-in kits are technically illegal for determining parentage.
• Courts are cautious as hell.
If a test might reveal something that would create religious-legal complications, the judge can refuse it.
• Immigration/aliyah cases are handled separately.
DNA is allowed but only as a last resort and with approvals; they try not to use it unless documents fail.
• Criminal DNA work is normal.
Israel runs forensic DNA like any other modern state. The strictness is specifically about family lineage tests.
So the short version: everyday ancestry kits are fine; anything that touches parentage is locked behind a judicial door. This is one of those real-world places where religion, law, and genetics are sitting in a tiny room together, pretending they’re not elbowing each other.
If you’re poking at this because of a specific scenario, there are some interesting nuances in how courts choose when to allow or deny testing.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
>> pretend
And yet there is a tremendous amount of DNA testing of Israelis and scholarship on the subject, mostly done by Jews. It is almost as if some cultures embrace knowledge and others embrace ignorance, and govt can only do so much to force compliance one way or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
fascinating...
chatGPT 5.1
does Israel have strict rules regarding dna tests
Israel treats DNA testing the way a skittish rancher treats a gate: it’ll let people through, but only if it absolutely knows they won’t start any trouble. The rules are unusually strict compared to most Western countries, and the reason is simple but heavy: Jewish/halachic lineage and the legal status of children.
Here’s the terrain, straight up:
Israel’s government does not want DNA tests casually determining parentage, because accidental proof of the wrong parent can create a legal category called mamzer (a child born from certain prohibited relationships). That status affects marriage eligibility under Jewish law. The state tries very hard to avoid creating new ones.
So the rules:
• You can’t do legal paternity/maternity DNA tests on your own.
A court order is required—yes, even if all the adults consent. Private mail-in kits are technically illegal for determining parentage.
• Courts are cautious as hell.
If a test might reveal something that would create religious-legal complications, the judge can refuse it.
• Immigration/aliyah cases are handled separately.
DNA is allowed but only as a last resort and with approvals; they try not to use it unless documents fail.
• Criminal DNA work is normal.
Israel runs forensic DNA like any other modern state. The strictness is specifically about family lineage tests.
So the short version: everyday ancestry kits are fine; anything that touches parentage is locked behind a judicial door. This is one of those real-world places where religion, law, and genetics are sitting in a tiny room together, pretending they’re not elbowing each other.
If you’re poking at this because of a specific scenario, there are some interesting nuances in how courts choose when to allow or deny testing.
kalam is being histrionic yall.
its funny, im part jewish and i sometimes remind myself that kalam is trying to rope me into his batshit worldview when hes conflating israel and judaism and generally advocating for ethnic cleansing.
"Maybe we are all Jews"Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
(This is a very deep movie cut of a very interesting movie IMO, and props if you get it without having to look it up)
Real Jews or the ones in Israel?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
From a purely genetic standpoint, Jesus of Nazareth (born ~4 BCE in Judea/Bethlehem, spoke Aramaic, lived in Galilee, crucified in Jerusalem) would share overwhelmingly more DNA with modern Palestinians, Lebanese Christians, Druze, and Samaritans than with the majority of today’s Jewish population in Israel, which is predominantly Ashkenazi and Sephardi.
Allahu Akbar
By this logic none of us are really Americans. Maybe we should all go back to Poland so Turtle Island can be free from the European occupation.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRReal Jews or the ones in Israel?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
From a purely genetic standpoint, Jesus of Nazareth (born ~4 BCE in Judea/Bethlehem, spoke Aramaic, lived in Galilee, crucified in Jerusalem) would share overwhelmingly more DNA with modern Palestinians, Lebanese Christians, Druze, and Samaritans than with the majority of today’s Jewish population in Israel, which is predominantly Ashkenazi and Sephardi.
Allahu Akbar
I know you are just trolling, but I generally find "blood and soil" arguments for who gets to live where to be pretty meh. In practice it seems to mostly be a third wordlists strategy to weaponize compassion of whites against themselves. It never goes the other way.
I say fuck the true Israelites and all the other browns. And while we are at it, lets take Constantinople and Alexandria back too.
Canada is getting royally fucked up the ass right now by their courts giving away land hand over fist to "natives."