Mikki Mase -- casino crusher, liar, or scammer?

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Originally Posted by aayjay

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Originally Posted by khalwat

Watched the video -- pretty clearly Mikki does not have a "system" for beating baccarat.

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Yes, Eliot has like 15+ videos on You Tube that show no system on banker/player bets wins with any appreciable EV , only a few side bets that are pretty well known among the knowing. The system claim is as old as time immemorial.

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Speaking of side bets, if anyone wants to hear a really good story, watch Elliots video below. If you like AP stuff, you should love it. If you are a gambling fan in general you will like it.

A brief summary...
Elliot had come up with a strategy that could beat the Dragon 7 side bet in Baccarat. So when you hear Baccarat side bets are beatable, give thanks to Elliot. He was able to publish this strategy on the Wizard or Odds site. Before publishing it, he ran it by another math guy to verify all the numbers were correct and it was +EV. Prior to him publishing this strategy, very few people knew this Baccarat side bet was beatable, and if they did know about it - they likely developed it on their own. Even seasoned AP’s were not aware of this. Anyway, it happened to be published right before G2E (Global Gaming Expo) which is the largest casino gaming trade show. It’s basically where game manufactures show off there new games. Anyway, everyone in the business had seen his strategy. The head guy for the company that owns the Dragon Side bet (Yes, casinos pay large fees to the game designers/owners until the patent is up, then any casino can provide them royalty free) approaches Elliot and he was furious for 2 reasons. First, his company was going to present a new Baccarat side bet at G2E and now has to put it on hold because word is out that Their Dragon 7 side bet is beatable. Second, he has calls from pretty much every table games director in the country asking is it true that their game is beatable, and has to call them all back and give them an explanation. Lol

During this period, some casinos actually stopped letting customers bet this side bet, as they thought people would flood the Baccarat table to exploit this bet. Elliot said it is also rumored that a large shareholder sold off much of his stock in the company that owned the Dragon 7 bet as it was one of their biggest and widely distributed games, since it’s future was uncertain. This particular game/side bet would definitely impact their stock price.


Anyway, very interesting story...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeR2AxY3O7Q

Eliot Jacobson has never made any money gambling in his life. Just a fun fact.

Mikki, Michael or whatever the fuck he wants to call himself. He has a successful, winning Baccarat strategy that the casinos just have no idea and no defense against.

BULLSHIT!!!

The casinos look at every single hand that is played and they have a huge edge unless somehow he is cheating.

Anyone giving money to this clown is an idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HboZJhq1fA8

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Originally Posted by DavidDough

Eliot Jacobson has never made any money gambling in his life. Just a fun fact.

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Yes, by Elliots own Admission he only did a small amount of Advantage Play.
IIRC, he hole carded 3 Card Poker and Blackjack.

Everyone has their own skills and desires. His were apparently on the math side - in developing/testing strategies. His satisfaction apparently came from this vs. actually doing AP techniques at the tables/slots. I’m sure he is more than capable of turning a profit in a casino if that was his desire. He was kind enough to share his work so others could turn a profit.

I know many people don’t like Elliot because he did/does consulting work with casinos. Many people view this as him sharing secrets he learned from the AP community with the casinos. To me this is really no different than consulting in any other business. Many would do the same if they were in his shoes.

He doesn’t discriminate who he shares his knowledge with. Anyone can email him and he will usually answer. Another good video of his is where he discusses being Phil Iveys expert witness in the edge sorting case where the casino was suing Ivey for the return of millions of dollars.

Sorry Mikki, I know this is your thread, I will try to be back on topic now...

Listened to Todd’s interview. Not sure what was meant by the “hashmarks” referred to.

There are a variety of marks and colors on the automatic baccarat scorecards. These days, most baccarat games I’ve seen read the cards automatically (RFID) when dealt and update the board. Extra colors and marks appear when the player/banker won with a natural, etc.

Any “data” from a scorecard is nothing different than what can be written down by hand. And none of this has proven to mathematically show a profit. Only tracking numeric cards used up in the shoe has been known to have a slight advantage very late in shoes on base and side bets.

Unless he’s got Mike Postle’s phone and hat to know what cards are coming, I can’t see how he’s pulling anything off here.

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Originally Posted by ReloadSports

Listened to Todd’s interview. Not sure what was meant by the “hashmarks” referred to.

There are a variety of marks and colors on the automatic baccarat scorecards. These days, most baccarat games I’ve seen read the cards automatically (RFID) when dealt and update the board. Extra colors and marks appear when the player/banker won with a natural, etc.

Any “data” from a scorecard is nothing different than what can be written down by hand. And none of this has proven to mathematically show a profit. Only tracking numeric cards used up in the shoe has been known to have a slight advantage very late in shoes on base and side bets.

Unless he’s got Mike Postle’s phone and hat to know what cards are coming, I can’t see how he’s pulling anything off here.

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I wasn’t sure what he meant by “Hashmarks” either when I heard him mention this.
I would have to go back and listen, but at one point he was talking about placing bets for future hands out on the table (Which is clearly illegal). He said he would place his current bet say in seat 2, then at the same time place a bet on seat 3 and seat 4, but he said that the dealer knew that seat 3 and seat 4 bets were for the following 2 rounds, and not the current round. Then he said they put a stop to it. What casino would allow this in the first place I have no idea.

Anyway, if he was talking about the “hash marks” during this time, he may have been referring to the parallel marks that separate each seats betting spots.

I highlighted them in the picture below:

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

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Originally Posted by ReloadSports

Listened to Todd’s interview. Not sure what was meant by the “hashmarks” referred to.

There are a variety of marks and colors on the automatic baccarat scorecards. These days, most baccarat games I’ve seen read the cards automatically (RFID) when dealt and update the board. Extra colors and marks appear when the player/banker won with a natural, etc.

Any “data” from a scorecard is nothing different than what can be written down by hand. And none of this has proven to mathematically show a profit. Only tracking numeric cards used up in the shoe has been known to have a slight advantage very late in shoes on base and side bets.

Unless he’s got Mike Postle’s phone and hat to know what cards are coming, I can’t see how he’s pulling anything off here.

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I wasn’t sure what he meant by “Hashmarks” either when I heard him mention this.
I would have to go back and listen, but at one point he was talking about placing bets for future hands out on the table (Which is clearly illegal). He said he would place his current bet say in seat 2, then at the same time place a bet on seat 3 and seat 4, but he said that the dealer knew that seat 3 and seat 4 bets were for the following 2 rounds, and not the current round. Then he said they put a stop to it. What casino would allow this in the first place I have no idea.

Anyway, if he was talking about the “hash marks” during this time, he may have been referring to the parallel marks that separate each seats betting spots.

I highlighted them in the picture below:

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Yes it sounds bizarre to allow betting for three hands ahead of them being dealt. Maybe in some far off third world casino but not when there’s an actual gaming commission involved.

Looks like Mikki got the best of Spencer...

Shortly after Spencer’s follow up video on Mikki he pinned his own comment that said something like:
***PLEASE READ*** I may have been duped”
He took this down!

During Mikki’s interview with Druff, Mikki stated that he still talks with Spencer. It’s possible he worked his con man skills on him.

Poor Spencer.

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Originally Posted by ReloadSports

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

I wasn’t sure what he meant by “Hashmarks” either when I heard him mention this.
I would have to go back and listen, but at one point he was talking about placing bets for future hands out on the table (Which is clearly illegal). He said he would place his current bet say in seat 2, then at the same time place a bet on seat 3 and seat 4, but he said that the dealer knew that seat 3 and seat 4 bets were for the following 2 rounds, and not the current round. Then he said they put a stop to it. What casino would allow this in the first place I have no idea.

Anyway, if he was talking about the “hash marks” during this time, he may have been referring to the parallel marks that separate each seats betting spots.

I highlighted them in the picture below:

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Yes it sounds bizarre to allow betting for three hands ahead of them being dealt. Maybe in some far off third world casino but not when there’s an actual gaming commission involved.

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So I remember watching some old Jason Sample "Built by Baccarat" videos from a couple years ago and he used to talk about "fries" or something of that sort. I just tried to go back and his original curious are gone. I guess after his whole saga when he got exposed as an ex felon and taking about gambling he took his videos down. Anyways, I think the "fries" mean "hashmarks". Here is something I found which I think is what Mikki means.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong as I've only played Baccarat a few times.

I found something that may lead to the source of the money...

As Spencer has mentioned, in his search for Mikki’s real name, he came across someone that was prosecuted for bribery that he thought was related to Mikki. This person who was also prosecuted along with his brother. They have the same last name as Mikki along with having lived in the same City and State as Mikki many years ago. Almost certain one is his Dad and the other, an uncle or both are uncles.

Anyway, after reading the Reddit comments, someone mentioned going to high school with Mikki and how Mikki’s parents sent him and his brother to live with their Grandfather. This person says the Grandfather was very wealthy.

Well guess what? After doing some more research, Without mentioning any names - the father of the two gentleman that were prosecuted had passed away in mid 2018 (The father of the 2 brothers). We know how long an estate can take to settle, especially if there is a lot of Assets involved. Let’s say a year. Is it fair to say the heir’s would receive their inheritance somewhere around a year later? This would put it mid 2019.

There was nothing about Mikki online until he started doing this gambling shit. I can’t remember what podcast it was, maybe someone can chime in but if I recall correctly he said he’s been into the professional gambling for around 2 years. That would be late 2019 - To early 2020, right before the Corona Virus hit. Then he would have had to take a break.

This is all a THEORY. I think everything fits together nicely, but you can reach your own conclusion. I didn’t want to post actual names, dates, Ages, or locations. You can easily locate these with a little research.



Summary: Grandpa passes and leaves Mikki Boo-Coo Bucks?

Interesting theory, PV.

Something else I should mention.

In order to (legally) reduce estate tax burdens, some wealthy families engage in "generation skipping" inheritances, when the oldest members live a long time, and their kids are already old themselves.

So take Johnny Richguy, age 95, who has an estate of $40 million. Johnny has two sons, named Bill and Mike, who are 73 and 70, respectively. He realizes that if he leaves the estate to Bill and Mike, they might die within a few years, and estate tax will be paid all over again. Instead, he leaves half his estate to Bill's kids, and the other half to Mike's kids. This way the estate tax is only paid once, and it will be many years until it's paid agin, since Bill & Mike's kids are in their 30s and 40s.

This is especially common when the already elderly children are doing well for themselves, and don't really need the money.

Actually the way it is done is to grant the children a life estate and the grandchildren a reminder interest. The kids get the income from the estate for life and the grandkids get the the property after the parent’s death.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Looks like Mikki got the best of Spencer...

Shortly after Spencer’s follow up video on Mikki he pinned his own comment that said something like:
***PLEASE READ*** I may have been duped”
He took this down!

During Mikki’s interview with Druff, Mikki stated that he still talks with Spencer. It’s possible he worked his con man skills on him.

Poor Spencer.

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Exposing Spencer expose incoming....Call it an exposé.

Legitimate Businessman.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Looks like Mikki got the best of Spencer...

Shortly after Spencer’s follow up video on Mikki he pinned his own comment that said something like:
***PLEASE READ*** I may have been duped”
He took this down!

During Mikki’s interview with Druff, Mikki stated that he still talks with Spencer. It’s possible he worked his con man skills on him.

Poor Spencer.

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Good eye man. Wow this is just fucking bizarre. I can’t even start to speculate why he left up the video and took down the pinned comment. It’s just clear that is a very deliberate action. I think this might be the end of Spencer addressing anything about Mikki.

Honestly, I hope it just as simple as he inherited a shit ton of money. He wanted to be famous, get the all the women & have famous friends. He wanted to be known for accumulating his wealth in a “cool” way by crushing the casinos. He didn’t just want to be this guy who inherited it. Best case scenario for me.

Between the 2 Mikki videos, Spencer received around 1 million views. Based on his breakdowns he does at the end of the month, this should be around $10k. If I were him, I would take down both videos. He has already earned the bulk of the money that each video will bring in. But at this point it's so much more than that. It's about preserving his credibility, more than the amount of money earned. I think it's best to pull both videos at this point.

Here we are with Mikki taking advantage of young hip hop / rap artist.
Over the last year videos and pics of many of the biggest hip hop rap stars playing baccarat drake jayz little baby meek the owner of the 76ers. Mikki seem to pray on the young ones that live in Cali and visit Vegas to perform.

The young man in the photo/ video is in debt to many in the hip hop world.
He owed drake money French Montana lil baby.

It’s so known that barstools gave him a loan to pay some loans.

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Originally Posted by ReloadSports

Listened to Todd’s interview. Not sure what was meant by the “hashmarks” referred to.

There are a variety of marks and colors on the automatic baccarat scorecards. These days, most baccarat games I’ve seen read the cards automatically (RFID) when dealt and update the board. Extra colors and marks appear when the player/banker won with a natural, etc.

Any “data” from a scorecard is nothing different than what can be written down by hand. And none of this has proven to mathematically show a profit. Only tracking numeric cards used up in the shoe has been known to have a slight advantage very late in shoes on base and side bets.

Unless he’s got Mike Postle’s phone and hat to know what cards are coming, I can’t see how he’s pulling anything off here.

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No baccarat shoe is RFID, that would be insanely expensive considering most games will be squeeze games where players are allowed to handle and tear, bend etc cards. It's an optical reader in the shoe played with standard paper cards.

The hash marks referred to are the "/" shaped marks for the "Macau" scoring of the alternate roads. Called "cockroach pig".

The way Mikki explained it, or the way I interpreted his remarks about the 6/3 vs 7/2 being read by the optical reader in the shoe, was incorrect. It makes NO difference on how the scoreboard is marked for the main board or the "/" board. The only thing that's taken into consideration for those markings is WHO won (player or banker), not HOW it won.

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Originally Posted by y2d2

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Originally Posted by ReloadSports

Listened to Todd’s interview. Not sure what was meant by the “hashmarks” referred to.

There are a variety of marks and colors on the automatic baccarat scorecards. These days, most baccarat games I’ve seen read the cards automatically (RFID) when dealt and update the board. Extra colors and marks appear when the player/banker won with a natural, etc.

Any “data” from a scorecard is nothing different than what can be written down by hand. And none of this has proven to mathematically show a profit. Only tracking numeric cards used up in the shoe has been known to have a slight advantage very late in shoes on base and side bets.

Unless he’s got Mike Postle’s phone and hat to know what cards are coming, I can’t see how he’s pulling anything off here.

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No baccarat shoe is RFID, that would be insanely expensive considering most games will be squeeze games where players are allowed to handle and tear, bend etc cards. It's an optical reader in the shoe played with standard paper cards.

The hash marks referred to are the "/" shaped marks for the "Macau" scoring of the alternate roads. Called "cockroach pig".

The way Mikki explained it, or the way I interpreted his remarks about the 6/3 vs 7/2 being read by the optical reader in the shoe, was incorrect. It makes NO difference on how the scoreboard is marked for the main board or the "/" board. The only thing that's taken into consideration for those markings is WHO won (player or banker), not HOW it won.

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Many casinos on the strip use a shoe that reads the cards.
Mikki plays at aria because they use a shoe that reads the cards no mistakes from dealer.
It’s called the button shoe. When I play at aria after the 3rd card is dealt for both sides I ask the dealer not to open the other side and just press the button and the winner automatically is uploaded to the board. Same goes for the shoe they use for BOL bovada 5dimes platform.

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Originally Posted by BaccaratDegen

Many casinos on the strip use a shoe that reads the cards.
Mikki plays at aria because they use a shoe that reads the cards no mistakes from dealer.
It’s called the button shoe. When I play at aria after the 3rd card is dealt for both sides I ask the dealer not to open the other side and just press the button and the winner automatically is uploaded to the board. Same goes for the shoe they use for BOL bovada 5dimes platform.

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Yes many casinos use electronic shoes, and NONE of them are RFID based as I've already mentioned. Not a single one. You won't be able to find anyone using a RFID shoe because it doesn't exist. It isn't practical; there is no need for it, and there is no advantage to using it (I can think of many disadvantages)

They are all optically read from regular paper cards.

And every once in a while the optical reader can make a mistake. It isn't 100% accurate (it's close). The scoreboard can be overriden and on some models the cards can be manually input via touchscreen.