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07-13-2012, 08:50 AM
jsearles22

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

Tony- maybe it was Hockeyguy with the $100 that was in before me? I know for a fact one of you had put in $100 before i donated.

Maybe so, I'll double check my dates for commitment and when I shipped.

I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.
07-13-2012, 08:58 AM
tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

Maybe so, I'll double check my dates for commitment and when I shipped.

I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

I committed and shipped the morning of June 20th.
07-13-2012, 09:00 AM
JUSTIFIEDhomicide

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

I committed and shipped the morning of June 20th.

lol, you're not at fault at all.

No need for the two of you to go back and forth to make anyone feel better about the situation.

Everything you did had good intentions.
07-13-2012, 09:06 AM
jsearles22

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

I committed and shipped the morning of June 20th.

I committed on 6/19 so I was in before you. Tuesday 6/19 I committed; the stake was to start on Wednesday 06/27. On 06/21 I received a PM asking me to ship the funds immediately. I did so. I should have picked off that he was being pretty pushy considering the stake wasnt to start for another week.

As far as his name goes, im not exactly sure what to believe. His paypal address shows one name, but then the description on my bank account shows another spelling variation that would read the same (made up example- Thomas Night and Tom Knite).
07-13-2012, 09:17 AM
BetCheckBet

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Originally Posted by chinamaniac

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

If he is reading it: I don't believe he had bad intentions (could be wrong, but it's my read from him), and if things are as the yappear to be, I hope he comes back and just explains the situation even if it makes him look terrible (lying about the stroke, in debt Brad Booth style, whatever). It's never too late to stop the charade, and at this point the amount he owes could easily be raised and repaid in the future. Just be honest if you fucked-up, we all do from time to time.

I agree with all of this. I think he just had all of his cards crumble at once.

Correct. If you read his two blogs he makes it very clear that he has a very bad gambling problem. I'm guessing most of the guys here did not read them before sending money (can't fault them as very few people read blogs). Most scammers are going to keep such secrets secrets under lock and key. Its quite possible he does have some health problems as well for real which are exacerbating the problem even more (bills, can't keep lying etc.)
07-13-2012, 09:18 AM
NaturalBornHustler

So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.
07-13-2012, 09:24 AM
JUSTIFIEDhomicide

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.

You can't blame people for not knowing how to run a scheme while someone is possibly scamming.

I'm sure nobody did anything in bad faith to tip him off. Just happened.
07-13-2012, 09:27 AM
Steve-O

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.

I kept my concerns very private (only told one other person my suspicions) but the above is just nutty: So your advice would have been to just let him keep taking people's money while people who knew better said nothing? This isn't a RICO case we were building trying to reel in the big fish by letting smaller crimes go unchecked
07-13-2012, 09:38 AM
lewfather

The idea is to keep it private and watch him scam so we can measure dick sizes later?
07-13-2012, 09:40 AM
Jasep

Wiess, what date did Templar send you some of the money he owed you? looking at the dates Tony and Jsears posted he paypaled me a 4 week old debt on 6/21 after i started expressed my annoyance, have paypal history to back up obv...

Oh and I'm not gonna say who told Templar, it was someone who doesn't know a lot about this type of shit and that person thought I was being an asshole for thinking someone like Templar could possibly scam anyone, I expressed that I had a long history in gambling and have seen many, many scams unfold and that wasn't good enough.
07-13-2012, 09:44 AM
lewfather

Aka Beebs lol

What'd I win?
07-13-2012, 09:45 AM
FPS_Russia

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Originally Posted by Vwls

I have a faint memory of Sparky Griswold from back in the day on Tyde; he had posted about getting a piece of property where he planned to keep his rescue dogs. He even posted photos of the property. Anyone remember the location? That might fill in the gap between Vegas and New Yprk? No idea. I wasn't around for the Chaz incidents, but Jewdonk did post that Sparky was Chaz, so that was established. Is the only connection between Sparky/Chaz and Templar the dog thing? If so, I'll tell you my only (probably not useful) observation:

The Templar was a rescuer of cats, not pit bulls (as far as I know). He may have a had a single pit bull (posted in the dog thread), but I spoke to him on several occasions and he never talked about dogs. He definitely had a brood of kittens he had rescued - we talked about them more than once. Seemed like a super nice guy - hope this does not turn out to be true.

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If you or anyone knows someone in the NY area looking for a little buddy. This poor guy needs a good home.

7 month old Pitt, rescue. Feel free to message me for more info.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJOuvEcarNs
07-13-2012, 09:46 AM
JUSTIFIEDhomicide

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Originally Posted by Jasep

Wiess, what date did Templar send you some of the money he owed you? looking at the dates Tony and Jsears posted he paypaled me a 4 week old debt on 6/21 after i started expressed my annoyance, have paypal history to back up obv...

Oh and I'm not gonna say who told Templar, it was someone who doesn't know a lot about this type of shit and that person thought I was being an asshole for thinking someone like Templar could possibly scam anyone, I expressed that I had a long history in gambling and have seen many, many scams unfold and that wasn't good enough.

He paid me on June 25th. Here is a screen shot of the history. I erased his full name on there, but left in each initial so you'd know who send it if you have his info.

Also, stop calling me Wiess. It's EI not IE:)

Also, it took him about a month to send me that 50$ after saying he'd pay me back within 24 hours of sending 100$ to him.

I didn't think too much of it, and let myself get scammed for a max of 100$.

He ended up sending 50 after I started to haggle him for a couple weeks. It's hard to bother a guy when he says his mom just died etc etc etc. The excuses kept coming
07-13-2012, 09:52 AM
Jasep

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21st for me...

Also, on the 21 he sent me money for a swap for Six Toe Pete on ACR and money for a transfer

I before E except after C has failed me Weiss

and I had the same hassle/mom dying situation too... I waited until enough time passed from his mother dying to start asking for my money, but it was 4 weeks after I was suppose to receive it
07-13-2012, 09:53 AM
Rollo Tomasi

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Originally Posted by Jasep

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Considering that there are many of us out here who have evidently engaged in small, and perhaps not so small, online (paypal, bank transfer, online poker) transactions with The Templar... will you please disclose the nature of these conversations, and what "behaviors" you are talking about?

Someone that I had warned was highly offended by me saying be on the look out and told templar, and he confronted me about it and I told him he looked like a scammer and I gave him maybe 10 examples of how different things he was doing looked like a scam but unsuspecting people wouldn't realize it. He even agreed with me that he seemed like a scammer. Again, never having any proof I wasn't gonna put a guy on blast on a hunch and behavior patterns. I private messaged Druff about it awhile ago with my concerns, I messaged Druff again before the whole stroke thing with more concerns, I warned a few people who I thought may not be experienced enough to see it coming or were just trusting people..

I think the BAP was private so that the people who felt like something wasn't right (Me, Wiess, China, Willie) wouldn't be able to warn guys like Tony. Just my opinion on that one.
(I'm sorry Tony, I wish you had asked me my opinion before buying the BAP)

There is a decent chance that Templar has some money coming from a contest in about a week. If he does in fact have that money coming I will send it to Druff to get it sorted among the people owed.

then i'm surprised Druff let Templar be in charge of the escrow for the PFA tournament
that is what he got my $25 for so lets hope he wins to clear up some debt

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

I committed and shipped the morning of June 20th.

funny i shipped June 20th too after being hounded by PM's from Templar for 2 days
seems like he had a lot going on and he had to pull in as much as he could at the time

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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.

You can't blame people for not knowing how to run a scheme while someone is possibly scamming.

I'm sure nobody did anything in bad faith to tip him off. Just happened.

surprised you didn't pick up on it sooner Weiss were your spiddie antenna not working ?

after reading all the shit the THE TEMPLAR had running he no doubt crashed and burned
07-13-2012, 09:54 AM
Steve-O

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Originally Posted by Jasep

21st for me...

Also, on the 21 he sent me money for a swap for Six Toe Pete on ACR and money for a transfer

So he was running a ponzi scheme of sorts, robbing peter to pay paul
07-13-2012, 09:57 AM
JUSTIFIEDhomicide

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Originally Posted by Rollo Tomasi

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Originally Posted by Jasep

Someone that I had warned was highly offended by me saying be on the look out and told templar, and he confronted me about it and I told him he looked like a scammer and I gave him maybe 10 examples of how different things he was doing looked like a scam but unsuspecting people wouldn't realize it. He even agreed with me that he seemed like a scammer. Again, never having any proof I wasn't gonna put a guy on blast on a hunch and behavior patterns. I private messaged Druff about it awhile ago with my concerns, I messaged Druff again before the whole stroke thing with more concerns, I warned a few people who I thought may not be experienced enough to see it coming or were just trusting people..

I think the BAP was private so that the people who felt like something wasn't right (Me, Wiess, China, Willie) wouldn't be able to warn guys like Tony. Just my opinion on that one.
(I'm sorry Tony, I wish you had asked me my opinion before buying the BAP)

There is a decent chance that Templar has some money coming from a contest in about a week. If he does in fact have that money coming I will send it to Druff to get it sorted among the people owed.

then i'm surprised Druff let Templar be in charge of the escrow for the PFA tournament
that is what he got my $25 for so lets hope he wins to clear up some debt

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

I committed and shipped the morning of June 20th.

funny i shipped June 20th too after being hounded by PM's from Templar for 2 days
seems like he had a lot going on and he had to pull in as much as he could at the time

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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.

You can't blame people for not knowing how to run a scheme while someone is possibly scamming.

I'm sure nobody did anything in bad faith to tip him off. Just happened.

surprised you didn't pick up on it sooner Weiss were your spiddie antenna not working ?

after reading all the shit the THE TEMPLAR had running he no doubt crashed and burned

I pmed Druff literally as soon as I let him borrow money. this is literally almost 2 months ago, and warned him not to allow Templar to escrow the tourney money because of striking similarities to when fminc held the heads up nwp tourney money.

My scammer senses are always on point

Yeah, I jsut checked, I sent Druff a warning on June 13th, and someone I know sent him one even earlier. the PFa league thread started on the 18th, so I don't know wtf happened....
07-13-2012, 09:59 AM
Jasep

actually the screen shot i posted was money i sent him back that he sent me for a transfer that i didn't wind up doing... but you get the point, i can go get the correct screen shot from 2 lines down but that doesn't seem necessary
07-13-2012, 10:03 AM
FPS_Russia

Anyone rescuing animals [especially dogs] from death row is cool in my book.

The Templar has a message for PFA.;)
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuysVCJ7Ito
07-13-2012, 10:11 AM
lewfather

Does this have any affect on the ROY standings?

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