Two thumbs up! I got into it with Phil Hellmuth at the table today

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

"Repeatedly stone bubbling" when I've done it twice in 13 WSOPs?

It's just an unfortunate coincidence that both bubbles occurred on the first event of the year, and both were limit holdem.

Of course, you're more likely to stone bubble limit holdem because you can't shove all-in pre, so you're not getting your stack in as often when you are fairly short.

Look at my $1500 WSOP Limit Holdem event last year, where I was chip leader with 42 left, and finished 40th. That's not the sign of someone playing scared.

In this case, I was not consistently winning hands at any point in the tournament, but kept chipping back out of the danger zone when low.

Unfortunately, after getting to 30k today, I stopped hitting hands, and was getting some of the worst flops possible. So it kept going raise, get 3-bet, see horrendous flop, fold. Then I was card dead forever. Then the 88 hand.

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Mea culpa. I'm not a limit or any type of pro obviously. Just an observation. You likely played it completely optimal and just ran bad. Todd is God after all

You're the best. We all love you. Keep your chin up. You can do it. We are all behind you and whatnot......

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You are such a condescending piece of red neck shit.

Take it down Druff!

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Every year I am reminded why I hate tournament poker, and then 11 months pass and I return for the same frustration.

Being the stone bubble boy after you've spent 13 hours playing is really annoying. It's not even the money, but rather the knowledge that you achieved the absolute worst result -- maximum time invested for zero return.

This isn't quite as bad as 2012 where I lost 4 consecutive hands to become the $5k Limit Holdem bubble boy (also my first event of the year), but it's close.

Had I cashed, it would have been a nice accomplishment given that I was below average in chips almost the whole tournament.

Great way to start out the WSOP.

I do get 3 days to calm down before my next event, so there's that.

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Bubbling means "nothing" in the grand scheme of things. Your way ahead in limit hold em tournaments lifetime and that's all that matters at the end of the day

you really showed him, Druff.

As for those claiming that Druff angled Hellmuth here. Let me point out the official TDA rules that would cover this exact situation.

37: Methods of Betting: Verbal and Chips
A: Bets are by verbal declaration and/or pushing out chips. If a player does both, whichever is first defines the bet. If simultaneous, a clear and reasonable verbal declaration takes precedence, otherwise the chips play.
B: Verbal declarations may be general (“call”, “raise”), a specific amount only (“one thousand”) or both (“raise, one thousand”).
C: For all betting rules, declaring a specific amount only is the same as silently pushing out an equal amount. Ex: Declaring “two hundred” is the same as silently pushing out 200 in chips.

No where does it state here that betting is done by hand gestures

49: Accepted Action
Poker is a game of alert, continuous observation. It is the caller’s responsibility to determine the correct amount of an opponent’s bet before calling, regardless of what is stated by others. If a caller requests a count but receives incorrect information from a dealer or player, then pushes out that amount, the caller has accepted the full correct action & is subject to the correct wager or all-in amount. As with all situations, Rule 1 may apply at TD’s discretion.

In this case, Druff was alert and as the callers responsibility....he asked for clarification. The dealer gave Druff wrong information (that it was a raise) and the floor overturned it

Last but not least...

52: Non-Standard & Unclear Betting
Players use unofficial betting terms and gestures at their own risk. These may be interpreted to mean other than what the player intended. Also, if a declared bet can reasonably have multiple meanings, it will be ruled the lesser value. Ex: NLHE 200-400 blinds, player declares “I bet five.” If it is unclear whether “five” means 500 or 5,000, the bet is 500. See Rules 2, 3 & 42. See Illustration Addendum.

If reggiman takes this down can Druff get him on radio for a winners interview?

LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS FUED ESCALATE PLZ. tbh todd, fueding with phil hellmuth is kind of a no brainer way to get famous in poker these days. THE FORUM COULD SEE ALOT OF ACTION. the ppl need a new story after #hashtagking and mcdonalds fail.

reggiman is the chip leader with 19 left.

I went down earlier to the scene of my bubbling and said hello to him.

He does listen to PFA Radio occasionally.

GL to him

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

reggiman is the chip leader with 19 left.

I went down earlier to the scene of my bubbling and said hello to him.

He does listen to PFA Radio occasionally.

GL to him

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:shock

:crowd

i hope pokernews is wrong but since meeting druff, reggiman now is the short stack with 33k??

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Originally Posted by WillieMcFML

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

reggiman is the chip leader with 19 left.

I went down earlier to the scene of my bubbling and said hello to him.

He does listen to PFA Radio occasionally.

GL to him

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:knife

:shock

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i hope pokernews is wrong but since meeting druff, reggiman now is the short stack with 33k??

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That's really odd.

It claims he lost 437k since the last update, which is very hard to believe given that it's a limit tournament.

I would have to go with "mistake", but maybe he just ran super awful.

I did lose 160k in a matter of 75 minutes at an earlier stage of the tournament last year, dropping from chipleader to out 40th place.

He's back to 346k.

I imagine that the "33k" was probably something like "335k" and they mistyped it.

Gotta give Druff credit, that was a bold move. I'd say over 95% of the other players would never think to call him on that. I couldn't imagine calling him out on something that trivial esp on someone as experienced as Hellmuth. Then with all the extra attn because it's Hellmuth.

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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia

Gotta give Druff credit, that was a bold move. I'd say over 95% of the other players would never think to call him on that. I couldn't imagine calling him out on something that trivial esp on someone as experienced as Hellmuth. Then with all the extra attn because it's Hellmuth.

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failing to see the bold move here.

he called the guy out for an obvious rule infraction...

if the dealer wasn't a fucking dipshit, letting his poker fanboy-gayness get in the way, he'd have done his job correctly and said "Sir, are you trying to raise?"

but no. he didn't do his fucking job correctly. good thing the floor came by and did his job correctly. And people wonder why dealers are continually getting less and less tip money. here's your answer.

try again FPS.

Are some of the details wrong in the OP or am i missing something?

As it reads now the blinds were 250-500. A player threw in a 1k chip without saying anything. How is it not a raise?

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Originally Posted by gimmick

Are some of the details wrong in the OP or am i missing something?

As it reads now the blinds were 250-500. A player threw in a 1k chip without saying anything. How is it not a raise?

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JFC are you kidding? Good thing you weren't the floor either.

the player was Phil Helmuth. someone who is no stranger to the rules of the game poker. Someone who should've just shut the fuck up after the floor ruled the way it was supposed to be. But no, Phil didn't, he continued to whine and moan about it. Sorry, but i'm sure this wasn't Phil's first limit hold 'em tournament. He knew that action could be construed different ways and the dealer should've caught it.

beating a dead horse i guess. Dealer was a jackass. Floor wasn't.

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Originally Posted by Al from Cheers

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Originally Posted by gimmick

Are some of the details wrong in the OP or am i missing something?

As it reads now the blinds were 250-500. A player threw in a 1k chip without saying anything. How is it not a raise?

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JFC are you kidding? Good thing you weren't the floor either.

the player was Phil Helmuth. someone who is no stranger to the rules of the game poker. Someone who should've just shut the fuck up after the floor ruled the way it was supposed to be. But no, Phil didn't, he continued to whine and moan about it. Sorry, but i'm sure this wasn't Phil's first limit hold 'em tournament. He knew that action could be construed different ways and the dealer should've caught it.

beating a dead horse i guess. Dealer was a jackass. Floor wasn't.

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There's only one way 2xbb bet is ever understood in limit when there is no verbal declaration. Doesn't matter who it is. Chips speak.

edit: NVM didn't know one chip rule applied to limit even when it's the exact only allowable raise amount... literally haven't played live in 15 years

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I replied, "I've been in your cash game before. And I did last through the day. Well, maybe not on UB."

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Originally Posted by Shizzmoney

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I replied, "I've been in your cash game before. And I did last through the day. Well, maybe not on UB."

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“Hoss_TBF”:
With the money you’ve given us we can get plastic surgery and become stallions


TEARS ON CHEEKS

“Count Counter”:
Donk down

Hellmuth:
Donk down, that’s what you say to someone after they have lost 28K straight?