Police officer grabs female high school student out of desk & slams her to ground -- justified?

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Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

100% if I was in a Subway and caused a disturbance because the owner wouldn't let me have my tomatoes on the side, and then I refused to leave the establishment, resulting in situation like depicted in this video, everyone would be cheering that I got what was coming to me.

Because this involves a minor who is also female and black, and because the cop in question is muscular and menacing-looking, the girl has been cast into the victim role.

Now we have all kinds of ridiculous assumptions and excuses for her, casting mental illness upon her, believing she was seriously injured, and even claims that she was always quiet and well-behaved (but somehow was asked to leave class despite that).

If we could at least have some acknowledgement that this girl was likely just a punk who was disrupting class because of her own issues at the moment, and then agree that the cop could have handled it with a bit less force, that would be great.

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Let's take your outlook for a second, Todd. That this girl was just another unruly sheboon in the making. Do you really need a juiced up mongoloid with a badge to come rough her up? She has broken no laws. If school admin couldn't handle it, they should go find jobs bagging groceries for fucks sake.

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First off, I would feel the same way if this happened to a white kid. You may not believe me, but I never consider race in issues like this. If the person caused their own problem, I don't care if they are black, white, hispanic, or whatever.

Why should the school administrators have to deal with physical confrontation if they already have an officer who works on campus?

Ideally, all physical confrontation situations involving citizens should be handled by police, and not by non-law-enforcement.

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Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger

schools, particularly US public schools, are in a number of ways like a prison--the students have little choice in being there: it's the law, and if they don't show up, a truant office will come round to enforce attendance. And they have to be in designated classrooms at certain times of the day and to behave in a certain way--there is no choice about that to them.

as a result, a lot of problem kids are there, ones private schools won't accept; those problem kids encourage others to act up as well---and for a public school teacher, classroom management (staying in control) is way more important than subject knowledge; I've taught in LA Unified, I've seen the problem kids, dealt with them, and left them for another career

so I say let's just not insist that kids go to school so long...remove those that don't want to be there...

you do that and students like this girl aren't in the classroom or on the campus---she stays at home

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I would agree that there should be some kind of opt-out for kids who don't want to be in school, but not as young as 12 (as you suggested in a previous post).

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps

Let's take your outlook for a second, Todd. That this girl was just another unruly sheboon in the making. Do you really need a juiced up mongoloid with a badge to come rough her up? She has broken no laws. If school admin couldn't handle it, they should go find jobs bagging groceries for fucks sake.

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First off, I would feel the same way if this happened to a white kid. You may not believe me, but I never consider race in issues like this. If the person caused their own problem, I don't care if they are black, white, hispanic, or whatever.

Why should the school administrators have to deal with physical confrontation if they already have an officer who works on campus?

Ideally, all physical confrontation situations involving citizens should be handled by police, and not by non-law-enforcement.

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What physical confrontation?? What are you talking about... the girl is sitting at a fucking desk.. The officer then puts his hands near her neck and starts jerking her around... Let me go do that to you and see if you just go limp as I'm assaulting you.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Because this involves a minor who is also female and black, and because the cop in question is muscular and menacing-looking, the girl has been cast into the victim role.

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Uhm, those are kind of huge fucking differences! You can't use similar force vs a petite 14 year old female as a 6'4" Asperger suffering Pepsi drinking mongoloid, for example

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps

Let's take your outlook for a second, Todd. That this girl was just another unruly sheboon in the making. Do you really need a juiced up mongoloid with a badge to come rough her up? She has broken no laws. If school admin couldn't handle it, they should go find jobs bagging groceries for fucks sake.

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First off, I would feel the same way if this happened to a white kid. You may not believe me, but I never consider race in issues like this. If the person caused their own problem, I don't care if they are black, white, hispanic, or whatever.

Why should the school administrators have to deal with physical confrontation if they already have an officer who works on campus?

Ideally, all physical confrontation situations involving citizens should be handled by police, and not by non-law-enforcement.

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Agree with the last bit. Only problem is the pig started it. If she was oh so unruly why don't we see her mouthing off to the cop? Seems like she was ready to STFU when he got there. But he don't wanna waste a walk from his corner office to some darkie actin up, thus we get the forced extraction.

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

You don't have to sympathize with the girl to recognize that the cop crossed a line. People can be still be victims as a result of their own stupid actions.

Sometimes when poker players get scammed, I hear people say it's hard to sympathize with them because they were so naive or stupid. Fine. Don't feel sorry for them. You should still condemn the scumbag that scammed them, though.

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Not the same thing. Victims of scammers may be naive, but they are not causing any harm.

They might be stupid and foolish, but they aren't harming anyone but themselves when making ill-advised deals with shady poker players.

So that's why I get pissed when people blame the victim in such situations. Just because someone is dumb/naive doesn't mean that they deserve to be the victim of a crime.

But here you have someone who IS causing problems for other people through deliberate and highly disruptive actions. I have a hard time feeling bad for them when they have a bad experience with law enforcement trying to stop them, unless law enforcement was REALLY over the top.

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Originally Posted by El Gallo

I have no idea how anyone thinks it's ok to beat up a student or that she deserved it... what is wrong with some of you? What should he have done? I'm not a police officer, they're the experts, but what Sargent Slam shouldn't do under any circumstance is beat up a 16 year old girl... Can we agree on that? That if the girl is not being violent that getting your ass kicked should not be in the realm of possibilities? And even if she was being violent (which she wasn't) that a huge man has better options than what he did.

I can't dead lift 600 pounds but I could subdue a 115 pound girl without getting violent and acting like some kind of bad ass... I hope the cop does jail time

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Think it's only Druff who thinks its ok. And isn't she 14 not 16?

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Originally Posted by El Gallo

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

First off, I would feel the same way if this happened to a white kid. You may not believe me, but I never consider race in issues like this. If the person caused their own problem, I don't care if they are black, white, hispanic, or whatever.

Why should the school administrators have to deal with physical confrontation if they already have an officer who works on campus?

Ideally, all physical confrontation situations involving citizens should be handled by police, and not by non-law-enforcement.

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What physical confrontation?? What are you talking about... the girl is sitting at a fucking desk.. The officer then puts his hands near her neck and starts jerking her around... Let me go do that to you and see if you just go limp as I'm assaulting you.

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The girl needed to be forcibly removed. I think most people here agree with that. So that's the physical confrontation. It had to occur, and it was the girl's fault.

She wasn't just "sitting at a desk". She had disrupted class, would not leave when told to do so by the teacher, and also refused when the campus police officer asked her to leave. I don't believe there is any dispute regarding these accounts of the situation.

If you just came up to me randomly and tried to lift me out of my seat (say, if I was sitting at a poker table), of course I would fight you. Because you would have no reason or right to remove me, nor would you have any authority to do so. You would just be some asshole attacking me for no reason.

In this case, the girl knew exactly why the officer was picking her up out of her seat, and she immediately attempted to fight him.

Watch the video again and you will see. I feel like taking screen shots to prove this.

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

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Originally Posted by El Gallo

I have no idea how anyone thinks it's ok to beat up a student or that she deserved it... what is wrong with some of you? What should he have done? I'm not a police officer, they're the experts, but what Sargent Slam shouldn't do under any circumstance is beat up a 16 year old girl... Can we agree on that? That if the girl is not being violent that getting your ass kicked should not be in the realm of possibilities? And even if she was being violent (which she wasn't) that a huge man has better options than what he did.

I can't dead lift 600 pounds but I could subdue a 115 pound girl without getting violent and acting like some kind of bad ass... I hope the cop does jail time

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Think it's only Druff who thinks its ok. And isn't she 14 not 16?

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Not sure on her age, you might know better than me, I thought I read 16 somewhere. BTW, this guy has done shit like this in the past, which really should play a large part in how we can judge him

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Originally Posted by El Gallo

I hope the cop does jail time

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I'm sure a sanction - or even a dismissal would suffice - but we know how you Yanks like to put people in cages.

Cop was fired (not sure if it was mentioned)

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Originally Posted by El Gallo

I have no idea how anyone thinks it's ok to beat up a student or that she deserved it... what is wrong with some of you? What should he have done? I'm not a police officer, they're the experts, but what Sargent Slam shouldn't do under any circumstance is beat up a 16 year old girl... Can we agree on that? That if the girl is not being violent that getting your ass kicked should not be in the realm of possibilities? And even if she was being violent (which she wasn't) that a huge man has better options than what he did.

I can't dead lift 600 pounds but I could subdue a 115 pound girl without getting violent and acting like some kind of bad ass... I hope the cop does jail time

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Try this experiment:

Tell a 6-year-old child that they can punch you in the mouth as hard as they can, and you won't attempt to block them.

There's a very good chance you will get injured.

Could a 16-year-old girl kick a buff male cop's ass? Obviously not.

Could she injure him if struggling while being removed from her desk? Definitely.

Once someone starts fighting with police, they need to be stopped, and at that point you can't worry as much about keeping them 100% safe from injury. You can't just dismiss it as, "I'm a lot bigger than them, they can't hurt me", because they can, even if they can't otherwise beat you in a prolonged fight.

This is a girl who is the size of an adult woman. We aren't talking about an 8-year-old here.

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Originally Posted by El Gallo

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

Think it's only Druff who thinks its ok. And isn't she 14 not 16?

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Not sure on her age, you might know better than me, I thought I read 16 somewhere. BTW, this guy has done shit like this in the past, which really should play a large part in how we can judge him

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It has been pointed out to Druff that this guy is the one with the form, not the girl.

Druff yet to take a backward step from his backward viewpoint yet tho.

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

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Originally Posted by RegGaymer

Alright, just watched the video and I'd say that looked excessive. Unless she kicked him in the nuts or sumat.

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You've been in Warrington too long.

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Tis true tbf, but I'm like halfway between Warrington and Pie-eaterville(Wigan) which is even worse.

Let me be clear in that AGAIN I don't think the cop handled it perfectly, and I think it's very possible that the guy is an asshole and has a history of overusing force.

I don't think it's a shame that he got fired if that's the case. In fact, it's a good thing.

But it's also not a shame what happened here to this girl. Unless she was seriously mentally disturbed, she deserved it. And if she was seriously mentally disturbed, then the fault is with school administrators for putting her in this class.

Why is just about nobody exploring the possibility that both people in this situation are terrible?

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Why is just about nobody exploring the possibility that both people in this situation are terrible?

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Because the CHILD has growing up to do. We see what the gorilla cop grew up to become. Too late for him.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by El Gallo

What physical confrontation?? What are you talking about... the girl is sitting at a fucking desk.. The officer then puts his hands near her neck and starts jerking her around... Let me go do that to you and see if you just go limp as I'm assaulting you.

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The girl needed to be forcibly removed. I think most people here agree with that. So that's the physical confrontation. It had to occur, and it was the girl's fault.

She wasn't just "sitting at a desk". She had disrupted class, would not leave when told to do so by the teacher, and also refused when the campus police officer asked her to leave. I don't believe there is any dispute regarding these accounts of the situation.

If you just came up to me randomly and tried to lift me out of my seat (say, if I was sitting at a poker table), of course I would fight you. Because you would have no reason or right to remove me, nor would you have any authority to do so. You would just be some asshole attacking me for no reason.

In this case, the girl knew exactly why the officer was picking her up out of her seat, and she immediately attempted to fight him.

Watch the video again and you will see. I feel like taking screen shots to prove this.

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Forcibly removed does not = violence. They seem to go hand in hand for you... This is a school not a god damn penitentiary. If a kid doesn't want to get up and leave you do not treat them like a 25 year old criminal... It's a fucking child Druff. I don't care if he has to stand there for 2 hours until she gets up and leaves or if they have to call the parents etc etc etc... you simply don't beat the shit out of a child... She was acting like bratty teenager at school. She's terrible, but that doesn't warrant an ass whopping from someone 3 times your size and 3 times your age.

BTW, it is false that the girl wasn't in the process of being arrested.

She was.

She was arrested and charged with "disturbing schools", according to CNN.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

BTW, it is false that the girl wasn't in the process of being arrested.

She was.

She was arrested and charged with "disturbing schools", according to CNN.

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LMFAO. How often is that charged layed? Never? Do they tack that charge onto the docket for school shooters?