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how is this going by the way?Quote:
Originally Posted by MintjewlipsWall will be built within 3 and a half years, should be completed by early 2019 securing trumps re election.Quote:
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#MAGA
Why is nobody talking about tyde's first 4 figure score of the summer?
If the unlikely event they do build a wall it'll be for Climate change preparedness. They (not Trump) know that at some point in the future central America/Mexico will lose their ability to grow food and we'll have a unprecedented refugee crisis.Quote:
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Hey Lemmings, can we cut bullshit for a second, A strip of landmines will be better than a wall in every way. That's when you know we mean business. Dispatch a couple dozen ROV's to lay the mines, be done in no time. Cheaper and much more effective.
Make it wide enough and with enough mines we could lay off most of the Border Patrol. That's the kind of shit the right wing does to workers. Union up protect from yourself from the "robot" takeover, it's coming.
Wow, what a fucking total nothing burger today. LOL. Hey Sonatine, how about those sealed indictments by a grand jury against Trump you boasted about a month ago? Remember that? The fucking FBI Director said he was never under investigation. Hello, Sonatine you home?
No people, I told you this was a sham, you wasted all this time for nothing. Where was all this Russian Collusion by Trump?
Comey came across as an enormous pussy today. Basically he said Trump had his way with him. Fuck him, this "investigation" was a witch hunt. Trump needs to get back to work, and continue to repeal Obama regulations and cut taxes for people like me.
Time and again I tell you people to listen to me, and you don't and lose a lot of money or waste a lot of time. One day you will learn.
#TeamHordell
Soooooo, within hours of no longer being the director of the FBI, Comey, an attorney, former federal prosecutor and justice dept official, leaked his self-serving, hand written memo about his impression of his interaction with President Trump because to a law school professor he was friends with so that person could give it to a reporter because he wanted to encourage an independent counsel investigation by someone else.
Regardless of your opinion of Trump, that is a federal crime by the nation's most recent top law enforcement officer and former federal prosecutor. I truly hope he gets indicted.
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Originally Posted by TellafriendSoooooo, within hours of no longer being the director of the FBI, Comey, an attorney, former federal prosecutor and justice dept official, leaked his self-serving, hand written memo about his impression of his interaction with President Trump because to a law school professor he was friends with so that person could give it to a reporter because he wanted to encourage an independent counsel investigation by someone else.
Regardless of your opinion of Trump, that is a federal crime by the nation's most recent top law enforcement officer and former federal prosecutor. I truly hope he gets indicted.
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should have won it, but oh well
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Originally Posted by ToasterOvenWhat is the crime?Quote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendSoooooo, within hours of no longer being the director of the FBI, Comey, an attorney, former federal prosecutor and justice dept official, leaked his self-serving, hand written memo about his impression of his interaction with President Trump because to a law school professor he was friends with so that person could give it to a reporter because he wanted to encourage an independent counsel investigation by someone else.
Regardless of your opinion of Trump, that is a federal crime by the nation's most recent top law enforcement officer and former federal prosecutor. I truly hope he gets indicted.
Among others, the federal non-conversion statute:
18 U.S. Code § 641 - Public money, property or records
Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)
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Whoever embezzles, steals, purloins, or knowingly converts to his use or the use of another, or without authority, sells, conveys or disposes of any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States or of any department or agency thereof, or any property made or being made under contract for the United States or any department or agency thereof; or
Whoever receives, conceals, or retains the same with intent to convert it to his use or gain, knowing it to have been embezzled, stolen, purloined or converted—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; but if the value of such property in the aggregate, combining amounts from all the counts for which the defendant is convicted in a single case, does not exceed the sum of $1,000, he shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
The word “value” means face, par, or market value, or cost price, either wholesale or retail, whichever is greater.
I haven't heard anyone talking about this at all.
I'm not sure Comey giving someone a memo he wrote qualifies. Do you have a reputable source on this?
Depends who you ask D or R.
Did Comeys leak break a law, maybe just like Trump broke a law, this will all end in a big nothing, all he said he said.
Not even close. The president is different. Congress determines if he broke the law. Comey is a private citizen. If what he did was a crime, he's going to be indicted.Quote:
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that's the one part of his agenda i'd want passed too but he'll somehow fuck that up even with a republican congressQuote:
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i haven't looked into this at all so i have no real opinion on it, but my guess is it would depend on whether his personal notes would be considered government property. i assume comey looked at this really thoroughly thoughQuote:
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Among others, the federal non-conversion statute:
18 U.S. Code § 641 - Public money, property or records
Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)
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Whoever embezzles, steals, purloins, or knowingly converts to his use or the use of another, or without authority, sells, conveys or disposes of any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States or of any department or agency thereof, or any property made or being made under contract for the United States or any department or agency thereof; or
Whoever receives, conceals, or retains the same with intent to convert it to his use or gain, knowing it to have been embezzled, stolen, purloined or converted—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; but if the value of such property in the aggregate, combining amounts from all the counts for which the defendant is convicted in a single case, does not exceed the sum of $1,000, he shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
The word “value” means face, par, or market value, or cost price, either wholesale or retail, whichever is greater.
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For starters, this liberal law professor:
https://jonathanturley.org/2017/06/0...-leaking-memo/
Did Comey Violate Laws In Leaking The Trump Memo?
1, June 8, 2017 jonathanturley Congress, Criminal law
440px-Comey-FBI-PortraitOne of the most interesting new disclosures today in the Comey hearing was the admission by former FBI Director James Comey that he intentionally used a “friend” on the Columbia law faculty to leak his memos to the media. Comey says that he did so to force the appointment of a Special Counsel. However, those memos could be viewed as a government record and potential evidence in a criminal investigation.
richmanNotably, Columbia Law School Professor Daniel Richman on a faculty webpage reads that he is “currently an adviser to FBI Director James B. Comey.” Richman specializes in criminal law and criminal procedure.
The problem is that Comey’s description of his use of an FBI computer to create memoranda to file suggests that these are arguably government documents. Comey admitted that he thought he raised the issue with his staff and recognized that they might be needed by the Department or Congress. They read like a type of field 302 form, which are core investigatory documents.
The admission of leaking the memos is problematic given the overall controversy involving leakers undermining the Administration. Indeed, it creates a curious scene of a former director leaking material against the President after the President repeatedly asked him to crack down on leakers.
Besides being subject to Nondisclosure Agreements, Comey falls under federal laws governing the disclosure of classified and nonclassified information. Assuming that the memos were not classified (though it seems odd that it would not be classified even on the confidential level), there is 18 U.S.C. § 641 which makes it a crime to steal, sell, or convey “any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States or of any department or agency thereof.”
There are also ethical and departmental rules against the use of material to damage a former represented person or individual or firm related to prior representation. The FBI website states:
Dissemination of FBI information is made strictly in accordance with provisions of the Privacy Act; Title 5, United States Code, Section 552a; FBI policy and procedures regarding discretionary release of information in accordance with the Privacy Act; and other applicable federal orders and directives.”
(click the link above for more)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.50c1acfa057e
Yeah, I don't know. My guess is that Comey researched all this stuff before he put the ball in the motion. We'll see.
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For starters, this liberal law professor:
https://jonathanturley.org/2017/06/0...-leaking-memo/
Did Comey Violate Laws In Leaking The Trump Memo?
1, June 8, 2017 jonathanturley Congress, Criminal law
440px-Comey-FBI-PortraitOne of the most interesting new disclosures today in the Comey hearing was the admission by former FBI Director James Comey that he intentionally used a “friend” on the Columbia law faculty to leak his memos to the media. Comey says that he did so to force the appointment of a Special Counsel. However, those memos could be viewed as a government record and potential evidence in a criminal investigation.
richmanNotably, Columbia Law School Professor Daniel Richman on a faculty webpage reads that he is “currently an adviser to FBI Director James B. Comey.” Richman specializes in criminal law and criminal procedure.
The problem is that Comey’s description of his use of an FBI computer to create memoranda to file suggests that these are arguably government documents. Comey admitted that he thought he raised the issue with his staff and recognized that they might be needed by the Department or Congress. They read like a type of field 302 form, which are core investigatory documents.
The admission of leaking the memos is problematic given the overall controversy involving leakers undermining the Administration. Indeed, it creates a curious scene of a former director leaking material against the President after the President repeatedly asked him to crack down on leakers.
Besides being subject to Nondisclosure Agreements, Comey falls under federal laws governing the disclosure of classified and nonclassified information. Assuming that the memos were not classified (though it seems odd that it would not be classified even on the confidential level), there is 18 U.S.C. § 641 which makes it a crime to steal, sell, or convey “any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States or of any department or agency thereof.”
There are also ethical and departmental rules against the use of material to damage a former represented person or individual or firm related to prior representation. The FBI website states:
Dissemination of FBI information is made strictly in accordance with provisions of the Privacy Act; Title 5, United States Code, Section 552a; FBI policy and procedures regarding discretionary release of information in accordance with the Privacy Act; and other applicable federal orders and directives.”
(click the link above for more)
The real news to me is that an FBI director was willing to go those lengths to send up a red flag about this nations executive state of affairs.
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Either way though, can't we agree that this doesn't pass the smell test, and that someone just minutes out of his last position, and having held the other federal posts where he prosecuted others, should hold himself to a much higher standard? They can all go to federal prison as far as I'm concerned.
I doubt Comey will be charged. Technically he leaked classified information, but its his memo. Now, the memo is property of the government once he wrote it. I just think both parties, Democrat and Republican, just want this guy to go away. He really has been terrible. He really should be a politician, not an FBI Director. Like I said, I believe he is angling for a Judge Judy type TV role or a talk show. He is going to want to make money and a lot of it, that is for sure. I don' think the book route will be an option, nobody would buy it. But I think a Judge Jim role on daytime TV would have some legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOvenNot even close. The president is different. Congress determines if he broke the law. Comey is a private citizen. If what he did was a crime, he's going to be indicted.Quote:
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Anything on this Sonatine after the Comey totally dismissed this?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine"Separate sources with links to the intelligence and justice communities have stated that a sealed indictment has been granted against Donald Trump," wrote Mensch and Taylor at the Patribotics blog.Quote:
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Mensch is easily dismissed as a conspiracy weirdo but a) she has a weird habit of hitting nails on the head and b) they are saying they have sources, and they generally dont say that when they are just spewing FPS_Russia caliber gibberish..
Comey has done a lot of garbage things. No question. I'm never going to sing his praises. However, Trump made his bed. He went on TV and said he fired Comey over Russia, so we were going to be right where we are at with or without Comey's grandstanding.Quote:
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Either way though, can't we agree that this doesn't pass the smell test, and that someone just minutes out of his last position, and having held the other federal posts where he prosecuted others, should hold himself to a much higher standard? They can all go to federal prison as far as I'm concerned.
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I mean SFO but did you read the article? The general perception is that Democrats are the party that fucks over the working class, and Republicans are the ones guarding the middle class from ... whatever. And the unstated implication is that in a very real way Obama failed to educate his base on why the economy was shifting and how they can protect themselves, so they just assume "Oh Democrats were in power when I got fucked sideways so clearly Democrats fucked me".
Which is incredibly dangerous and almost impossible to course correct at this point.
The course correct started the minute they repealed Obamacare in the house, and there's not one single direction they can go with it to satisfy the differing parties. The economic changes that killed the middle class Reagan Democrats who Trump won back happened 25 and 30 years ago. He didn't win Ohio, Pa, Michigan over recent economic changes
He goes with RyanCare plan and they get slaughtered.
He does nothing but rebrand Obamacare, they were already getting squeezed and unhappy with it before, now you put the GOP name on it. Go too far and you lose every last one of those people who voted for you in the rustbelt. Don't go far enough and you lose all those garden variety conservatives who came along for the ride despite not being real Trump fans.
It's a poison pill they had to swallow to get all their tax breaks through.
All that MAGA rust belt white resentment and hatred of PC culture and BLM negroes goes out the window the day the first Trumpcare premium rolls in. Or the day they purge the rolls of Trump supporters off Medicaid and half their nephews drop dead of heroin overdoses and their premiums remain the same or tick slightly upward.
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Originally Posted by Ken HordellAnything on this Sonatine after the Comey totally dismissed this?Quote:
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Traditionally, a sealed indictment wouldnt be subject to public scrutiny, no matter how many plumbers object. Note that Comey also went through great lengths to indicate that Trump is under investigation for obstruction of justice.
Any discussion into that investigation or any sealed indictment would only occur in closed door sessions.
Comey is beset from all sides. But it is of his own doing. Regardless, he will go off and join a high power law or lobbying firm and make his millions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken HordellI doubt Comey will be charged. Technically he leaked classified information, but its his memo. Now, the memo is property of the government once he wrote it. I just think both parties, Democrat and Republican, just want this guy to go away. He really has been terrible. He really should be a politician, not an FBI Director. Like I said, I believe he is angling for a Judge Judy type TV role or a talk show. He is going to want to make money and a lot of it, that is for sure. I don' think the book route will be an option, nobody would buy it. But I think a Judge Jim role on daytime TV would have some legs.Quote:
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The real news to me is that an FBI director was willing to go those lengths to send up a red flag about this nations executive state of affairs.
Maybe Sonatine, but wouldn't you also agree it could be his conscious eating at him for what he did to Hillary ?
So basically you spent a lot of time researching conspiracy blogs (between your trips to Thailand "on business"), and bought them hook line and sinker. Got it. Enjoy picking up seashells and collecting sea glass.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ken Hordell
Traditionally, a sealed indictment wouldnt be subject to public scrutiny, no matter how many plumbers object. Note that Comey also went through great lengths to indicate that Trump is under investigation for obstruction of justice.
Any discussion into that investigation or any sealed indictment would only occur in closed door sessions.
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Originally Posted by ToasterOvenComey has done a lot of garbage things. No question. I'm never going to sing his praises. However, Trump made his bed. He went on TV and said he fired Comey over Russia, so we were going to be right where we are at with or without Comey's grandstanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
Sure, and I'm not taking a position here with regard to Trump. I just aspire to more than the nut-low, but am usually let down; hence my dysphoria.
Most law firms are ideological. Not sure who would throw a life preserver to him. You have a guy like him to attract clients, and his universally pissed off everyone. Plus he is a leaker by his own admission. I simply don't know what value he would have. He is just toxic right now. But to Hollywood, he would have some value. Don't discount a Judge Jim type role on daytime TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendComey is beset from all sides. But it is of his own making. Regardless, he will go off and join and high power law or lobbying firm and make his millions.Quote:
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You did win it. First and second place were fraudulent players with fake cards.Quote:
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Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
should have won it, but oh well
His tax cut won't benefit plumbers who drink wine from a box.Quote:
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Hardly. Most law firms are profitable. The bottom line is what matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken HordellMost law firms are ideological.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
So the former head of the FBI said he was a weak, cowardly person who leaked privileged info to the press. The "smoking gun" is that trump "hoped" the Flynn investigation would end....oooh lock him up!
Not sure how anyone can float that as a win.
It will probably be built right around the same time as Gitmo closing.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Mintjewlips
Jim Comey would not be going to a divorce firm. Or a patent firm. Or a tort firm. We can argue this all night, the bottom line is Jim Comey is not going to get some corner office in some firm. He craves the spotlight. He will go the Hollywood route, or do the Professor role and give endless speeches on his whole 4 months working for Trump. But he is not going to sit in an office.Quote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendHardly. Most law firms are profitable. The bottom line is what matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Hordell
I always will admire Jim Comey because he interjected himself into the Presidential Election and help ruin Hillary Clinton's campaign. So he is a true Patriot in my book even if he is misguided here. This will be soon forgotten, but his influence in the election will remain, and for that he is a hero.
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Maybe Sonatine, but wouldn't you also agree it could be his conscious eating at him for what he did to Hillary ?
Oh god yes, I think he's said point blank that hes more or less destroyed by the thought that he influenced an election, regardless of the direction.
But I dont think he would try to undermine a standing president unless circumstances were dire; this is literally hanging the flag upside down.
Jennifer Rubin (conservative) has announced that Comey's testimony is basically the President Pence theme song but honestly I just dont know if its not another attempt at wish fulfillment.
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ya I wonder what the answer is after its been 0 for 40 so far
please believe me when i tell you that the way you use the terms "divorce firm, patent firm or tort firm" sound completely idiotic to anyone in the legal community. you are clearly a plumber and not educated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken HordellJim Comey would not be going to a divorce firm. Or a patent firm. Or a tort firm. We can argue this all night, the bottom line is Jim Comey is not going to get some corner office in some firm. He craves the spotlight. He will go the Hollywood route, or do the Professor role and give endless speeches on his whole 4 months working for Trump. But he is not going to sit in an office.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
I always will admire Jim Comey because he interjected himself into the Presidential Election and help ruin Hillary Clinton's campaign. So he is a true Patriot in my book even if he is misguided here. This will be soon forgotten, but his influence in the election will remain, and for that he is a hero.
you are also fucking retarded if you don't think comey will be heading up a white collar/corporate investigation practice group making 7 digits from literally any big firm he wants, whenever he wants. every big firm would kill to hire this guy. you just have no idea how big law works
I thought I heard a hint from Comey suggesting there was a reason, still classified, why it was decided he should drop the H bomb at such a crucial time in the election.
The closed door session is going to have the good stuff anyway
Guy's an eagle scout.
LOL. 0-40. One month ago half the posters in this thread were talking about Trump colluding with Putin. You don't hear that anymore now do you? Jim Comey is going to be Mr Irrelevant in a few days, and let me tell you, all the focus will go to Jared Kushner now. That will be the huge drama bomb the next month and then when that goes away, it will be Pete Sessions, and so on.Quote:
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ya I wonder what the answer is after its been 0 for 40 so far
As long as Trump keeps reversing Obama policies and lowers my tax rate, I don't give a shit.
I will say this as a certain fact, if the economy is good in 2020 and there is no systemic ISIS blow ups on American soil, Trump will win in a landslide. Now, if the economy is in the tank or terrorism is on the streets, Trump will be on his way out. It does not get any simpler than that. It is fun though watching the Democrats hang on everything Trump does. To be fair, many on the left are making a boatload of money on Trump. Look at Rachel Maddow, she went from almost getting cancelled four years ago to the hottest show in her time slot, she will be getting paid.