Hillary tweeting unfunny "covfefe" jokes, whether written by herself or her staffers, is not a good look.
While Trump has not been a gracious winner, Hillary has been an incredibly sore (and delusional) loser.
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Hillary tweeting unfunny "covfefe" jokes, whether written by herself or her staffers, is not a good look.
While Trump has not been a gracious winner, Hillary has been an incredibly sore (and delusional) loser.
I actually agree we need to hold some big polluting rich countries like China to the same standard as the EU/US and they should face real consequences for failing to meet their targets. But just pulling out and telling the world to GFY isn't the solution.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
:lol2
I've see this all Over the Internet
Countries not in the agreement. Countries in the agreement
USA Rest of the world
Syria
Nicaragua
How about this one?
Countries paying for the agreement Countries not paying for the agreement
USA Rest of the world
Why is it such an awful thing to say this is a shitty deal? It's literally the same argument as NATO.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffI agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
Trump has said and done some dumb things while in office, but he was actually correct when he said, "This is a bad deal for the USA."
I don't like the "Let's spend big money on what should be a shared responsibility because the other countries don't want to" method of environmental policy.
It just gives further reinforcement to countries like China that they can do whatever the fuck they want to benefit themselves, and the US will pay to clean up their mess.
In fairness to China, America was spewing out huge amounts of harmful emissions for decades long before China rose up the spew leader board.
America has created wayyy more pollution than anybody else since the industrial revolution.
America owed this to the world. You shower of cunts.
Sarcasm my man, sarcasm. But sure, a few billion will really do a lot to help the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
Do you really believe that China wouldnt embrace emissions reduction if it crippled our ability to negotiate competitive trade deals?
Wait you just suggested we use a sovereign nations money to solve our economic problems, never mind. Do your thing baby.
America led the industrial revolution in its second phase (and ever since), so that makes sense. Environmental concerns only began about 70 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the FraudQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
In fairness to China, America was spewing out huge amounts of harmful emissions for decades long before China rose up the spew leader board.
America has created wayyy more pollution than anybody else since the industrial revolution.
America owed this to the world. You shower of cunts.
The US has done a great job with curbing pollution in the last few decades.
If China doesn't play ball, much of what the US does on the environmental front will be largely ineffective.
It would be like a neat freak living with a major slob. Even if the neat freak does not contribute to the mess at all, the apartment will still be filthy.
China simply doesn't give a shit, though.
That's the elephant in the room -- one ignored by environmentalists for decades.
China lives for the moment. They don't care about the planet, and they don't care about the future. Their entire motivation is derived from succeeding now, and as quickly and efficiently as possible.
You can pass all the feelgood environmental resolutions you want, but if a major player is opting out, then ultimately the same problem will be staring us in the face.
We going to open this up to a conversation about what the USA owes the rest of the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the FraudQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
In fairness to China, America was spewing out huge amounts of harmful emissions for decades long before China rose up the spew leader board.
America has created wayyy more pollution than anybody else since the industrial revolution.
America owed this to the world. You shower of cunts.
MIT is pointing out that despite Trump quoting their research in his bizarre justification for leaving the agreement, his actual quote indicates had absolutely no understanding regarding what MIT's research actually was or meant.
Thats fucking super.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffAmerica led the industrial revolution in its second phase (and ever since), so that makes sense. Environmental concerns only began about 70 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
The US has done a great job with curbing pollution in the last few decades.
If China doesn't play ball, much of what the US does on the environmental front will be largely ineffective.
It would be like a neat freak living with a major slob. Even if the neat freak does not contribute to the mess at all, the apartment will still be filthy.
Rubbish. America for years avoided signing up to various climate treaties that were just waiting to be signed. Notably a major one in Brazil that would've changed everything. We begged, but you walked away because greed and corruption.
Also. China has 1.4 billion citizens and this agreement will start a snowball effect to wider green energy.
Wait, so you are claiming that America hasn't greatly improved their pollution situation and tightened environmental regulations over the past 40 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the FraudQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Rubbish. America for years avoided signing up to various climate treaties that were just waiting to be signed. Notably a major one in Brazil that would've changed everything. We begged, but you walked away because greed and corruption.
Also. China has 1.4 billion citizens and this agreement will start a snowball effect to wider green energy.
:lol
At least learn a bit about what goes on in the US before talking your shit about it.
China also has a vastly superior education system, so when they look at the numbers and see the cost of millions and millions of preventable illnesses, they act.
They do not stand tall and say 'we are all doomed but Christ will surely save us'.
http://time.com/4800000/tim-walberg-god-climate-change/
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffWait, so you are claiming that America hasn't greatly improved their pollution situation and tightened environmental regulations over the past 40 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
:lol
At least learn a bit about what goes on in the US before talking your shit about it.
Well we did, but then your party voted in Trump and now all those regulations are being rolled back.
I'm sure Rush Limbaugh would have clued you into this any day now tho.
All the biggest companies in America, who create the jobs Trump claims to be protecting, are pissed at him. Microsoft, Google, uber, Tesla, IBM, sales force, GE, even Shell lol. They all know this is bad for business and bad for America in the long run.
The regulations rolled back plus anything further Trump plans to do will nowhere near rival our environmental pollution situation in the '80s and '90s.
Keep in mind that environmental issues are where I break from the Republican Party line most often, but this time I cannot blame Trump for backing away from having the US shouldering most of the burden.
Every well advanced nation has improved their pollution situation through solar, wind turbines and other such means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWait, so you are claiming that America hasn't greatly improved their pollution situation and tightened environmental regulations over the past 40 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
:lol
At least learn a bit about what goes on in the US before talking your shit about it.
But it still doesn't change the fact that you're still the second highest contributors for spewing shit into the atmosphere. Yet have the cheek to walk away from this.
So yeah. Fuck America.
And Druff, no sarcasm intended. But its good to see you posting in this thread again.
Hopefully you will stay and discuss the issues coming outa the press and Republican Party.
Napping the whole Trump thing out is proper shithousery considering you got strong political opinions.
How Many people you ever work with from China?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I imagine there's a Saudi angle and a Rex Tillerson angle to today's historic fail. When he was at Exxon they were funding all kinds of skeptic propaganda.
Factoid: Trump has granted more lobbyist waivers in 4 months than Obama did in 8 years
Violating his own ethics rules at a staggering pace.
How many trump supporters are literally looking for their next fix rn? Read an article in the New Yorker indicating heroin overdoses being commonplace at little league practice and that certain counties in trump country are out of narcane
Where has Tyde been all day?
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Originally Posted by DalyHow Many people you ever work with from China?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Tine I love ya but China is FUBAR
I bet a few tards on here probably believe this garbage too.
It's the tens of millions of rational Americans I honestly feel sorry for. Imagine being governed and living amongst freaks who think like this.
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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
that's the freak that got the internet troll arrested for triggering a seizure
"At the poker table of international negotiations, the US has become that unpleasant player whose utter lack of skill makes them unpredictable." -Wired
:lol
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Originally Posted by thesidedish
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Originally Posted by DalyHow Many people you ever work with from China?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Lotta coders but point taken.
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KATHY GRIFFIN TO PLAY THE VICTIM TMRW?? that should be worth 30 house seats in '18
Quick reminder, hurricane season is starting and we literally have no one in charge of NOAA or FEMA.
its all good tho because
just a guess, but i think this paris move will hurt trump in 2020, even though it will rally his base and help to get them to turn out for him in 2020.
i just think this move is so repugnant to liberals and independents -- so many of whom stayed home in 2016 -- that the turnout will be just overwhelming.
every young person in america will come out and vote against him.
that being said, if the economy is booming, trump will point to this move as part of the reason why, and he'll have a good chance of being reelected.
Don't worry, Ken Hordell AKA Bottomfag is on the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Yeah, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineits all good tho because
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Originally Posted by Ken HordellUnder the present environment (and that is all we have to go on, we do not have a crystal ball), a moderate Democrat would never happen and a Republican getting a Dem nomination? Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
The Dems are moving deep into the fringes. It's basically a coastal party made up of the poor, wealthy, elites and Hollywood. Case in point, the House Democratic leader lives in San Francisco and the Democratic Senate leader lives in Manhattan. A lot of people despise Paul Ryan but he lives in Wisconsin. And McConnell represents Kentucky. See a trend here?
The Dems main message is Climate Change, Black Lives Matter, TransGender Equality and Anti Trump. When they fail to make any measurable gains in 2018, maybe they will realize they need to reset their thinking.
joe biden would likely crush trump. he has a similar appeal to the rust belt folks.
also don't discount bernie sanders running again. he's basically the anti-hillary. everything that trump used against hillary (i.e., the swamp, goldman sachs, trade, the establishment) would fail against him. if anything, he's farther out on those issues than trump is.
trump literally has a ton of goldman sachs people in his inner circle. do you think bernie would hammer him on that?
basically, bernie speaks trump's language when it comes to concerns of working class people, but has the added benefit of not being a clinically retarded person.
i think he's too far left on some issues personally, i'm just saying he would be a really strong candidate against trump.
Republicans wake the fuck up.. Keith really throws down the gauntlet in this one..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9VZTrtRhN0
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scammers/cheaters blocking all appointments