IS SEALS WITH CLUBS DONKDOWN??? (Update: Micon charged with a felony in Nevada)

Micon just updated his gofundme with this message:


"Stressful time for the Micon family, but we are taking it one day at a time as we discuss the next move with our lawyers."

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Originally Posted by Daredevil

Micon just updated his gofundme with this message:


"Stressful time for the Micon family, but we are taking it one day at a time as we discuss the next move with our lawyers."

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The wife and both families are well to do. They will convince him to man up and come back.

I would bet anybody a whole lot of money Micon does the right thing, like a man, and comes back to face his charges. I wouldn't doubt with how good a family he has, he can also bond out. He should prearrange with his family AND a bail bondsman working with his lawyers, to ensure upon his arrival he does the absolute MINIMUM of hours in the county.

If he sets it up via his lawyer and his family+bail bondsman, that he will come back enter a plea, get booked, and then bail out that he does the absolute minimum of time until the trial.

Honestly you didn't do anything violent or mean, you will get bail bro. Just keep that wife of yours happy, she is going to be your most important asset through all of this!

Agreed he'll be coming back, my guess is before the WSOP, so that he can achieve the maximum center of attentioness that he always seems to want.

By the way, in my opinion, the bitcoin/statute argument raised in this thread is a legal issue that would be decided by the Judge as part of his lawyer's motion to dismiss, probably filed along with a motion to suppress evidence, if they try to go the Phua route in fighting this. Jurors only decide factual issues such as whether Micon was ever really operating Seals or just a marketing guy.

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Should I do it? Is it time?

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blow your filthy load all over this forum zod. do it now!

If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

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Originally Posted by simpdog

If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

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Why can't the guy gamble? Run a site? Sure, but not letting him gamble period. Not happening imo.

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Originally Posted by simpdog

If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

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Possibly. No internet access could be one too.

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Originally Posted by simpdog

If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

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With the caveat that I mostly do civil and not criminal work in California, I think the answer depends upon what kind of deal is negotiated by Micon's lawyer.

The 2 factors usually considered by Courts regarding bail is (a) risk of flight from the City/State/Country and (b) threat to society. Micon may have shot himself in the foot regarding risk of flight by moving his family to Antigua after the raid. Phua and his Chinese pals, for example, with their private jets, clearly had a flight risk and were given home detention pending the outcome of their criminal charges.

Maybe Chernoff will produce the lease that Micon says he signed prior to the raid and be successful, who knows.

An educated guess is that he would not be barred from the Casinos or live gambling as a condition of bail - though Harrahs may independently decide to do so, again who knows for sure.

He bail conditions will certainly include a surrender of his passport and an agreement to not operate a gambling site while in Nevada.

Everything else is probably still up for negotiation.

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If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

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Why can't the guy gamble? Run a site? Sure, but not letting him gamble period. Not happening imo.

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"no participating in games of chance and no entering establishments where games of chance are offered" is a standard clause for all criminals going thru the process

The "stressful time" message on his gofundme is interesting. It must mean something.

I think he is trying to decide whether he rolls the dice and comes back to the US to defend this.

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The "stressful time" message on his gofundme is interesting. It must mean something.

I think he is trying to decide whether he rolls the dice and comes back to the US to defend this.

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Or it could just mean he's run out of weed

Wonder if there will be another divorce in Micon's future.

Correct me if im wrong, but i think Gofundme may ultimately shut his campaign down per their terms and conditions.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

The "stressful time" message on his gofundme is interesting. It must mean something.

I think he is trying to decide whether he rolls the dice and comes back to the US to defend this.

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100% means
"I thought you chuckleheads would donate $30k not 3k in a week and other than my true friends like Justin Wade Smith donating $5 and Stars chipping in $5 as well, you are all dicks.
The only way for me to keep my jew gold is to scam you, so wah its stressful, gimme"

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

Reprinted with The Shrink's expressed permission. The Shrink is god.

I was noodling around with Micon's noodle and turned to PFA's resident mental health professional for input.

DIAGNOSIS PLEASE

Hey buddy,

Yeah, I've been pretty busy lately but I'll be back soon. I've been following the whole Micon thing and all I can say is wow. I feel your frustration in hearing Druff et al.'s tedious analysis of the legalities and justice/injustice of the debacle. That's not what we want to hear. We want hot takes like the one Drexel offered a couple of weeks ago on radio. I mean, these guys knew Micon fairly intimately so they can offer some incredible insight into what this guy might be going through.

And as you note, his current turmoil or lack thereof is going to be moderated by any kind of psychological issues he might have. The idea of a dissociative disorder is interesting but probably not quite right ("dissociative identity disorder" AKA: multiple personality disorder falls into that category).

I'm thinking probably a cluster B personality disorder. Borderline personality disorder has some dissociative characteristics to it but I don't think that describes him well. Keep in mind, I don't really know him - I can only piece together a psychological profile from years of listening to him on DonkDown and what others say/write about him. I've only met the guy for an hour at the poker table - coincidentally it was about a year before his exodus and the first thing he said to me after I introduced myself was "Have you ever tried Seals With Clubs?" Haha.

No, I'm definitely thinking narcissistic personality disorder. Now, of course poker players trade in narcissism. And I might even argue that any poker player worth his weight in salt needs a healthy dose of exaggerated sense of self-importance to succeed; but there's being narcissistic and then there's being a full blown narcissist that makes it a disorder (at least according to the DSM!).

Here are the DSM-5 criteria and you can just check each box for our favourite Antiguan bitcoin lord:

A. Significant impairments in personality functioning manifested by:

1. Impairments in self functioning (a or b):

a. Identity: Excessive reference to others for self-definition and self-esteem regulation; exaggerated self-appraisal may be inflated or deflated, or vacillate between extremes; emotional regulation mirrors fluctuations in self-esteem.

b. Self-direction: Goal-setting is based on gaining approval from others; personal standards are unreasonably high in order to see oneself as exceptional, or too low based on a sense of entitlement; often unaware of own motivations.

AND

2. Impairments in interpersonal functioning (a or b):

a. Empathy: Impaired ability to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others; excessively attuned to reactions of others, but only if perceived as relevant to self; over- or underestimate of own effect on others.

b. Intimacy: Relationships largely superficial and exist to serve self-esteem regulation; mutuality constrained by little genuine interest in others' experiences and predominance of a need for personal gain

B. Pathological personality traits in the following domain:

Antagonism, characterized by:

a. Grandiosity: Feelings of entitlement, either overt or covert; self-centeredness; firmly holding to the belief that one is better than others; condescending toward others.

b. Attention seeking: Excessive attempts to attract and be the focus of the attention of others; admiration seeking.

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I mean, the grandiosity and attention-seeking are Micon hallmarks and, as I see it, characteristics that dominate his personality that have led to his current predicament. What did Drexel say on radio? "Micon always wanted to be big time. Well, now he's big time."

That's the scary thing, his actions and their consequences might actually reinforce his narcissistic personality so it becomes a vicious cycle. Scary stuff.

DISCLAIMER: This diagnosis is tentative and based on circumstantial information. Please consult your local Antiguan mental health professional for proper psychiatric care.

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Anyone read this as Marty not Micon?

Well this is an interesting thread.

Just thought I would pop in and say hi, add my two cents and all.

I am Tom, the owner of swcpoker.com , I am NOT the previous owner mentioned on bitcointalk forum, he is a former friend who sold me the name a while back and NO I have never used it for anything, yet...

I would like to add that while I discussed selling the name to Micon and we chatted briedly via email about my old friend, I offered it for even a little less, he wanted it but paypal did not seem to be an available option and I do not do the bitcoin thing.

What do you guys think is a viable option for it?

I wish Micon all the best I never wish anyone any harm but Brian is not quite as quick in a business sense as one would imagine he should be.

Any way, enjoying the thread :)

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What do you guys think is a viable option for it?

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Why on earth would you buy such a toxic offering, and how much did Micon offer for it?

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Originally Posted by simpdog

If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

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I am sure his lawyers will try and get him back into casinos......but the NGC and the DA in NV will say, no.

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Well this is an interesting thread.

Just thought I would pop in and say hi, add my two cents and all.

I am Tom, the owner of swcpoker.com , I am NOT the previous owner mentioned on bitcointalk forum, he is a former friend who sold me the name a while back and NO I have never used it for anything, yet...

I would like to add that while I discussed selling the name to Micon and we chatted briedly via email about my old friend, I offered it for even a little less, he wanted it but paypal did not seem to be an available option and I do not do the bitcoin thing.

Now I am debating what to do with the name, gets some traffic of course but just like to dump it now and get my grand back I have in it.

What do you guys think is a viable option for it?

I wish Micon all the best I never wish anyone any harm but Brian is not quite as quick in a business sense as one would imagine he should be.

Any way, enjoying the thread :)

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Hi Tom, welcome to PFA.

I suspect the domain will be of little interest. The name is tarnished and is possibly only of any use to Micon right now. I understand he has other concerns at present.

Also, it is much easier for the US government to seize a .com domain, compared to a .eu domain, so this would further devalue the domain.

I think you've overpaid by about $995.

did zod just leave us hanging?

brandon hcy?

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Originally Posted by Tom

Well this is an interesting thread.

Just thought I would pop in and say hi, add my two cents and all.

I am Tom, the owner of swcpoker.com , I am NOT the previous owner mentioned on bitcointalk forum, he is a former friend who sold me the name a while back and NO I have never used it for anything, yet...

I would like to add that while I discussed selling the name to Micon and we chatted briedly via email about my old friend, I offered it for even a little less, he wanted it but paypal did not seem to be an available option and I do not do the bitcoin thing.

Now I am debating what to do with the name, gets some traffic of course but just like to dump it now and get my grand back I have in it.

What do you guys think is a viable option for it?

I wish Micon all the best I never wish anyone any harm but Brian is not quite as quick in a business sense as one would imagine he should be.

Any way, enjoying the thread :)

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I deal in domain names.

Your swcpoker.com has a DA / PA of 1 and a TF / CF of 0 with 0 backlinks and negligible age. Furthermore it is in the Google toxic field of gambling and has a stigma associated with it.

Let's recap:

• No metrics
• No age
• Gambling niche
• Toxic association

You tell ME what it's worth?

In the plus column, that domain's brother is not a rat.

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did zod just leave us hanging?

brandon hcy?

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are you ready to play poker

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The more I think about this, the more I think Micon can get off here.

Reason being: his lawyers are going to exploit the fact that the existing laws were written before bitcoins existed and fail to account for them properly.

Its going to cost Micon everything he has to pull it off and probably tax his family as well, but I think his legal team can make it happen with the right jury.

That said... I imagine that this will only embolden Micon who will get even more involved in SWC or whatever its called now and the state will spend a long weekend revising the laws accordingly before they go for round 2. And winning.

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I honestly can't see this happening even with great lawyers. Its well established that bitcoin has value and is even traded on regulated exchanges. There is a good reason why no one else in usa is running something similar. Druff has already covered this at length though.

But even if he tried to argue this point somewhat effectively, what will fuck him over is that it sounds as though the prosecution has copies of all of his electronic correspondence through such mediums as Skype. They have him directly stating how much money in US dollars the site is making per month. How can he argue no value when they have him talking about it himself?

I can only imagine what other correspondence they have including discussions around how to evade authorities...

Not one of my brighter decisions, didn't think it through tbh.

Damn thing gets people looking to play poker for btc and no home :(

Been monitoring IP's and they are interesting!

@4Dragons, the value, I dunno it gets a bit of traffic each day and they want to play poker for btc, no question the targeted traffic is their, just needs the right home.

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Not one of my brighter decisions, didn't think it through tbh.

Damn thing gets people looking to play poker for btc and no home :(

Been monitoring IP's and they are interesting!

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Only advice I could give you is to put up an affiliate rakeback site and drive traffic.

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Not one of my brighter decisions, didn't think it through tbh.

Damn thing gets people looking to play poker for btc and no home :(

Been monitoring IP's and they are interesting!

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Only advice I could give you is to put up an affiliate rakeback site and drive traffic.

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I personally am sketchy on that for two reason's.

Will it work with poker affiliate for btc, big yes on that one.

Will Micon be upset about it's use, big yes on that one.

Secondly,

Do I want to take the risk of using it for that, no.

For someone with the nerve, it works, just not for me. I do appreciate your advice though, spot on.

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Only advice I could give you is to put up an affiliate rakeback site and drive traffic.

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I personally am sketchy on that for two reason's.

Will it work with poker affiliate for btc, big yes on that one.

Will Micon be upset about it's use, big yes on that one.

Secondly,

Do I want to take the risk of using it for that, no.

For someone with the nerve, it works, just not for me. I do appreciate your advice though, spot on.

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There are a few other bitcoin poker sites out there. Maybe one of them will buy it from you, and take the headache off your hands.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

The more I think about this, the more I think Micon can get off here.

Reason being: his lawyers are going to exploit the fact that the existing laws were written before bitcoins existed and fail to account for them properly.

Its going to cost Micon everything he has to pull it off and probably tax his family as well, but I think his legal team can make it happen with the right jury.

That said... I imagine that this will only embolden Micon who will get even more involved in SWC or whatever its called now and the state will spend a long weekend revising the laws accordingly before they go for round 2. And winning.

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I honestly can't see this happening even with great lawyers. Its well established that bitcoin has value and is even traded on regulated exchanges. There is a good reason why no one else in usa is running something similar. Druff has already covered this at length though.

But even if he tried to argue this point somewhat effectively, what will fuck him over is that it sounds as though the prosecution has copies of all of his electronic correspondence through such mediums as Skype. They have him directly stating how much money in US dollars the site is making per month. How can he argue no value when they have him talking about it himself?

I can only imagine what other correspondence they have including discussions around how to evade authorities...

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The argument isnt "bitcoins lack value so I get to go now", the argument is "These laws fail to appropriately incorporate digital beanie babies as a reality so you must acquit."

I'm not taking that position, but if you think there isnt a jury willing to buy that, ask Robert Durst.

Really, its not as out there as it may look, pachinko parlors have been relying on the same basic loophole for ages.

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I honestly can't see this happening even with great lawyers. Its well established that bitcoin has value and is even traded on regulated exchanges. There is a good reason why no one else in usa is running something similar. Druff has already covered this at length though.

But even if he tried to argue this point somewhat effectively, what will fuck him over is that it sounds as though the prosecution has copies of all of his electronic correspondence through such mediums as Skype. They have him directly stating how much money in US dollars the site is making per month. How can he argue no value when they have him talking about it himself?

I can only imagine what other correspondence they have including discussions around how to evade authorities...

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The argument isnt "bitcoins lack value so I get to go now", the argument is "These laws fail to appropriately incorporate digital beanie babies as a reality so you must acquit."

I'm not taking that position, but if you think there isnt a jury willing to buy that, ask Robert Durst.

Really, its not as out there as it may look, pachinko parlors have been relying on the same basic loophole for ages.

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NRS 463.016425 “Interactive gaming” defined.

1. “Interactive gaming” means the conduct of gambling games through the use of communications technology that allows a person, utilizing money, checks, electronic checks, electronic transfers of money, credit cards, debit cards or any other instrumentality, to transmit to a computer information to assist in the placing of a bet or wager and corresponding information related to the display of the game, game outcomes or other similar information. The term does not include the operation of a race book or sports pool that uses communications technology approved by the board pursuant to regulations adopted by the commission to accept wagers originating within this state for races or sporting events.

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I personally am sketchy on that for two reason's.

Will it work with poker affiliate for btc, big yes on that one.

Will Micon be upset about it's use, big yes on that one.

Secondly,

Do I want to take the risk of using it for that, no.

For someone with the nerve, it works, just not for me. I do appreciate your advice though, spot on.

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There are a few other bitcoin poker sites out there. Maybe one of them will buy it from you, and take the headache off your hands.

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I suppose but Micon said to me he has connections in the btc poker world and no one will let me use it he of course was making me an offer to buy at the same time so..... True, bs who knows.

Honestly he came across as not very business savy at all. I mean lets look at this ....

The dot com offers natural type in traffic that is targeted and wants to play. Targetted natural traffic = revenue, how much, well the old site name dot com based on a thread I found made 50 btc the last year. Even if he spent $1k to buy the name he would make that is weeks of rake back and on and on. The myth is .com can be taken and not .eu, that is not true, usgov takes many .eu names.

Based solely on a business decision it should be a no brainer for him to buy and watch his sign ups and action grow but what do I know. Who wants to see their venture grow and grow for $1k.

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The argument isnt "bitcoins lack value so I get to go now", the argument is "These laws fail to appropriately incorporate digital beanie babies as a reality so you must acquit."

I'm not taking that position, but if you think there isnt a jury willing to buy that, ask Robert Durst.

Really, its not as out there as it may look, pachinko parlors have been relying on the same basic loophole for ages.

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NRS 463.016425 “Interactive gaming” defined.

1. “Interactive gaming” means the conduct of gambling games through the use of communications technology that allows a person, utilizing money, checks, electronic checks, electronic transfers of money, credit cards, debit cards or any other instrumentality, to transmit to a computer information to assist in the placing of a bet or wager and corresponding information related to the display of the game, game outcomes or other similar information. The term does not include the operation of a race book or sports pool that uses communications technology approved by the board pursuant to regulations adopted by the commission to accept wagers originating within this state for races or sporting events.

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Totally fair, point taken.

Very curious to see what tact his team takes, if not that tho.

Has anyone considered plan K? Or should I direct this to the Icon himself as he no doubt is living on this/a thread.

The one word the Nevada State Garotting Commission doesn't want to hear is Kahnawake. A simple beach ceremony with a couple of elders and a Plenty of Squaw member and Micon is untouchable.

He may have to convert to Mormonism first, in order to keep his beloved, but it could be a win-win scenario.

Free Micon!


Betcha the Chesnoff team hasn't thrown that one on the table.

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There are a few other bitcoin poker sites out there. Maybe one of them will buy it from you, and take the headache off your hands.

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I suppose but Micon said to me he has connections in the btc poker world and no one will let me use it he of course was making me an offer to buy at the same time so..... True, bs who knows.

Honestly he came across as not very business savy at all. I mean lets look at this ....

The dot com offers natural type in traffic that is targeted and wants to play. Targetted natural traffic = revenue, how much, well the old site name dot com based on a thread I found made 50 btc the last year. Even if he spent $1k to buy the name he would make that is weeks of rake back and on and on. The myth is .com can be taken and not .eu, that is not true, usgov takes many .eu names.

Based solely on a business decision it should be a no brainer for him to buy and watch his sign ups and action grow but what do I know. Who wants to see their venture grow and grow for $1k.

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I don't know about any connections, but I doubt that the swcpoker competitors would refuse something like this.

That's really your only viable customer, unless you can an affiliate who deals with BTC sites to buy it, but I don't think they will pay you much.

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I suppose but Micon said to me he has connections in the btc poker world and no one will let me use it he of course was making me an offer to buy at the same time so..... True, bs who knows.

Honestly he came across as not very business savy at all. I mean lets look at this ....

The dot com offers natural type in traffic that is targeted and wants to play. Targetted natural traffic = revenue, how much, well the old site name dot com based on a thread I found made 50 btc the last year. Even if he spent $1k to buy the name he would make that is weeks of rake back and on and on. The myth is .com can be taken and not .eu, that is not true, usgov takes many .eu names.

Based solely on a business decision it should be a no brainer for him to buy and watch his sign ups and action grow but what do I know. Who wants to see their venture grow and grow for $1k.

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I don't know about any connections, but I doubt that the swcpoker competitors would refuse something like this.

That's really your only viable customer, unless you can an affiliate who deals with BTC sites to buy it, but I don't think they will pay you much.

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Thanks Dan, I will consider it, you don't need btc poker traffic do you lol j/k

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Has anyone considered plan K? Or should I direct this to the Icon himself as he no doubt is living on this/a thread.

The one word the Nevada State Garotting Commission doesn't want to hear is Kahnawake. A simple beach ceremony with a couple of elders and a Plenty of Squaw member and Micon is untouchable.

He may have to convert to Mormonism first, in order to keep his beloved, but it could be a win-win scenario.

Free Micon!


Betcha the Chesnoff team hasn't thrown that one on the table.

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IF that's Plan K, he should jump straight to Plan N(oose)

New breaking maybe-news:

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Chris Sweis @coolbearcjs · 19h 19 hours ago
Sources tell me that RoboCoin now changing its name to @romithq is involved in the Bryan Micon gaming case as the cash out for his bitcoins

Chris Sweis @coolbearcjs · 19h 19 hours ago
@romithq sources tell me agents followed @bryanmicon as he withdrew max amounts of cash from RoboCoin ATMs on multiple days. $30K per day

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These tweets were from Chris Sweis yesterday. I don't know who he is.

He describes himself as, "Investor, Bitcoins, Startup Junkie, Poker Playa, Love my dog, Bitsies, JunoWallet, DogFit App, @accelerrarilabs, Go Hawks! @rtxmobile Digital Business Engineer".

He follows me on Twitter, and perhaps listens to my radio show.

Robocoin operates bitcoin ATMs, which you can use to exchange bitcoin for cash (or the other way around).

BTW, even if these rumors are true, they may not mean much for the legal case against Micon. As he has been involved in bitcoin since before he joined Seals, he can simply say that he was withrdawing his bitcoin that he had collected over time.

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BTW, even if these rumors are true, they may not mean much for the legal case against Micon. As he has been involved in bitcoin since before he joined Seals, he can simply say that he was withrdawing his bitcoin that he had collected over time.

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I have limited knowledge Dan but since the ledger is public and if they did not mix in a large scale before cashing out it should not be too hard at all to tie the address to the business and then to Micon. Which brings up something that has not been mentioned, what stops the US from bringing further charges for say tax evasion immediately after these charges?

I think even if he pled or got a light sentence he can never sleep well.