Time to get on the TRUMP train

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10-29-2016, 04:00 PM
sonatine

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

What I do believe is that Republicans are dealt a very tough hand by both the mainstream media and entertainment industry

Most rational societies regard this as 'holding them accountable' but I get why that perspective is ... unpalatable... to you.
10-29-2016, 04:06 PM
limitles

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I don't believe Democrats are rigging elections (well, not anymore -- they definitely did in 1960 for Kennedy), and I don't think any sensible Republicans believe that, either.

What I do believe is that Republicans are dealt a very tough hand by both the mainstream media and entertainment industry, both of whom bash Republicans so often that it equates to a staggering amount of free negative political ads on behalf of the Democrats.

Like it or not, we are a media driven country. We have certain stubborn voters on both the left and right who will never be swayed by propaganda, but the centrists can be swayed by the slightest thing which pisses them off about one side or the other.

The Dems have long had the media and entertainment industry on their side (especially the latter), to where a large number of moderate voters are swayed against the Republican candidate due to this media/entertainment propaganda.

This is why I complain about videos such as the SNL debate parody. It's not that SNL has any requirement to act fair and balanced, but it's that the average middle-of-the-road voter watches it and takes in the sharp criticisms about Trump, but virtually none about Hillary.

Even known liberal Dean Obeidallah wrote that the SNL parodies are likely to really hurt (or perhaps destroy) Trump's chances, though Obeidallah claims it's a good thing because he feels the parodies expose Trump for what he is.

But that's the whole problem. The entertainment media should not be inserting itself into politics, at least not to the point where they take sides. They're essentially signing on to be a free propaganda machine for Hillary, which is very tough to overcome, and thus removes fairness from the election. The entertainment media should give it equally to both sides, thus preserving neutrality while still being (even more) entertaining.

Sadly, the entertainment industry and the mainstream media have decided it's their moral duty to take sides in elections and influence who gets elected, which is very dangerous, as that gives an immense amount of power to a very tiny group of elitists.

It reminds me all too much of the state-sponsored propaganda machines in communist governments.

I am no Trump defender, and I won't be voting for him.

But has he been given a fair shake in the media or entertainment products since the general election began? Fuck no. That's a lot of what Trump has been trying to say, but in usual Trump fashion, he bungled the message.

This is why I complain about videos such as the SNL debate parody. It's not that SNL has any requirement to act fair and balanced, but it's that the average middle-of-the-road voter watches it and takes in the sharp criticisms about Trump, but virtually none about Hillary.

You must realize that SNL is all about comedy, which includes satire, parody, etc. Do you have any idea how much harder it is to write a joke about Hillary as compared to Trump?(rhetorical). Do you realize jokes about the Donald come naturally? The weakest writer on that show need only produce a clip from a debate or rally and it's going to be funnier than a well thought out dig at Hillary.

btw, that rigged Kennedy election sure was unrigged in short order
10-29-2016, 04:08 PM
Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Druff

What I do believe is that Republicans are dealt a very tough hand by both the mainstream media and entertainment industry

Most rational societies regard this as 'holding them accountable' but I get why that perspective is ... unpalatable... to you.

But that's not what's happening.

The media, and especially the entertainment industry, are not holding Hillary accountable for her many scandals and wrongdoings.

If ever there was a race where it's easy to "give it to both sides" in a debate parody, it's this one. The more flawed the candidate, the more ripe they are for parody.

SNL decided to steer clear all three times, while eviscerating Trump.

Look at that stupid "Epic Rap Battles of History" thing. Again, just a Trump bash video disguised as centrist comedy.

Nobody can say with a straight face that Hillary is such a great person that there's little you can find to criticize or lampoon.

Yet that's how the entertainment industry is treating her, and the media is softshoeing around most of her scandals.
10-29-2016, 04:08 PM
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10-29-2016, 04:11 PM
Dan Druff

Because I'm not a Trump supporter OR Hillary supporter, I was actually looking forward to these parody videos, figuring I would be laughing at the follies of both sides.

Instead, each time I saw a bash-Trump piece, without even the faintest hint that they were trying to be neutral.

I just found myself angry at the end of these, rather than amused in the slightest. Keep in mind that I WANTED to laugh at Trump, but the bias was so obvious and so bad that it was just maddening to watch.

I'm so sick of the Hollywood and media elite thinking they run this country, and can essentially decide who the people will be voting for.
10-29-2016, 04:16 PM
Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by limitles

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I don't believe Democrats are rigging elections (well, not anymore -- they definitely did in 1960 for Kennedy), and I don't think any sensible Republicans believe that, either.

What I do believe is that Republicans are dealt a very tough hand by both the mainstream media and entertainment industry, both of whom bash Republicans so often that it equates to a staggering amount of free negative political ads on behalf of the Democrats.

Like it or not, we are a media driven country. We have certain stubborn voters on both the left and right who will never be swayed by propaganda, but the centrists can be swayed by the slightest thing which pisses them off about one side or the other.

The Dems have long had the media and entertainment industry on their side (especially the latter), to where a large number of moderate voters are swayed against the Republican candidate due to this media/entertainment propaganda.

This is why I complain about videos such as the SNL debate parody. It's not that SNL has any requirement to act fair and balanced, but it's that the average middle-of-the-road voter watches it and takes in the sharp criticisms about Trump, but virtually none about Hillary.

Even known liberal Dean Obeidallah wrote that the SNL parodies are likely to really hurt (or perhaps destroy) Trump's chances, though Obeidallah claims it's a good thing because he feels the parodies expose Trump for what he is.

But that's the whole problem. The entertainment media should not be inserting itself into politics, at least not to the point where they take sides. They're essentially signing on to be a free propaganda machine for Hillary, which is very tough to overcome, and thus removes fairness from the election. The entertainment media should give it equally to both sides, thus preserving neutrality while still being (even more) entertaining.

Sadly, the entertainment industry and the mainstream media have decided it's their moral duty to take sides in elections and influence who gets elected, which is very dangerous, as that gives an immense amount of power to a very tiny group of elitists.

It reminds me all too much of the state-sponsored propaganda machines in communist governments.

I am no Trump defender, and I won't be voting for him.

But has he been given a fair shake in the media or entertainment products since the general election began? Fuck no. That's a lot of what Trump has been trying to say, but in usual Trump fashion, he bungled the message.

This is why I complain about videos such as the SNL debate parody. It's not that SNL has any requirement to act fair and balanced, but it's that the average middle-of-the-road voter watches it and takes in the sharp criticisms about Trump, but virtually none about Hillary.

You must realize that SNL is all about comedy, which includes satire, parody, etc. Do you have any idea how much harder it is to write a joke about Hillary as compared to Trump?(rhetorical). Do you realize jokes about the Donald come naturally? The weakest writer on that show need only produce a clip from a debate or rally and it's going to be funnier than a well thought out dig at Hillary.

btw, that rigged Kennedy election sure was unrigged in short order

It's not hard at all to write a joke about Hillary.

Give me a break.

That's got to be the dumbest thing you've written on these boards in quite some time.
10-29-2016, 04:16 PM
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10-29-2016, 04:19 PM
DirtyB

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I don't believe Democrats are rigging elections (well, not anymore -- they definitely did in 1960 for Kennedy), and I don't think any sensible Republicans believe that, either.

The entire problem with the Republican Party, and the reason that you're not voting for their elected candidate, is that only 30% of self-identified Republicans meet your definition of "sensible".

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN12L2O2
10-29-2016, 04:23 PM
Muck Ficon

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Because I'm not a Trump supporter OR Hillary supporter, I was actually looking forward to these parody videos, figuring I would be laughing at the follies of both sides.

Instead, each time I saw a bash-Trump piece, without even the faintest hint that they were trying to be neutral.

I just found myself angry at the end of these, rather than amused in the slightest. Keep in mind that I WANTED to laugh at Trump, but the bias was so obvious and so bad that it was just maddening to watch.

I'm so sick of the Hollywood and media elite thinking they run this country, and can essentially decide who the people will be voting for.

If SNL and Hollywood are controlling who people vote for, then this country is full of brain dead morons, and we are totally fucked. While I know certain people do vote based off that shit, I don't think it's nearly as big as you are trying to make it out to be. I can see you having issues with CNN and MSNBC. Your "SNL" argument is a fucking joke though.
10-29-2016, 04:24 PM
limitles

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Quote:

Originally Posted by limitles

This is why I complain about videos such as the SNL debate parody. It's not that SNL has any requirement to act fair and balanced, but it's that the average middle-of-the-road voter watches it and takes in the sharp criticisms about Trump, but virtually none about Hillary.

You must realize that SNL is all about comedy, which includes satire, parody, etc. Do you have any idea how much harder it is to write a joke about Hillary as compared to Trump?(rhetorical). Do you realize jokes about the Donald come naturally? The weakest writer on that show need only produce a clip from a debate or rally and it's going to be funnier than a well thought out dig at Hillary.

btw, that rigged Kennedy election sure was unrigged in short order

It's not hard at all to write a joke about Hillary.

Give me a break.

That's got to be the dumbest thing you've written on these boards in quite some time.

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That's a lot of what Trump has been trying to say, but in usual Trump fashion, he bungled the message.;

The less you say about comedy the better
10-29-2016, 04:24 PM
sonatine

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonatine

Most rational societies regard this as 'holding them accountable' but I get why that perspective is ... unpalatable... to you.

But that's not what's happening.

The media, and especially the entertainment industry, are not holding Hillary accountable for her many scandals and wrongdoings.

If ever there was a race where it's easy to "give it to both sides" in a debate parody, it's this one. The more flawed the candidate, the more ripe they are for parody.

SNL decided to steer clear all three times, while eviscerating Trump.

Look at that stupid "Epic Rap Battles of History" thing. Again, just a Trump bash video disguised as centrist comedy.

Nobody can say with a straight face that Hillary is such a great person that there's little you can find to criticize or lampoon.

Yet that's how the entertainment industry is treating her, and the media is softshoeing around most of her scandals.

Trump is a drug addict demagogue with zero business in public office.

Hillary is a career politician.

Responsible, intelligent people are horrified at the damage Trump would do, and even people with ideological objections to Hillary are united with her staunchest supporters on this.

Your enthusiastic refusal to acknowledge this despite it being spelled out to you in the most child-like terms available is much, much weirder than educated adults in politics/media/industry being united in their rejection of Trump's lowest common denominator bullshit. It might score you points on AM talk radio or Brietbart article comments but beyond that I dont think it has a lot of currency.
10-29-2016, 04:49 PM
hongkonger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I don't believe Democrats are rigging elections (well, not anymore -- they definitely did in 1960 for Kennedy), and I don't think any sensible Republicans believe that, either.

What I do believe is that Republicans are dealt a very tough hand by both the mainstream media and entertainment industry, both of whom bash Republicans so often that it equates to a staggering amount of free negative political ads on behalf of the Democrats.

Like it or not, we are a media driven country. We have certain stubborn voters on both the left and right who will never be swayed by propaganda, but the centrists can be swayed by the slightest thing which pisses them off about one side or the other.

The Dems have long had the media and entertainment industry on their side (especially the latter), to where a large number of moderate voters are swayed against the Republican candidate due to this media/entertainment propaganda.

This is why I complain about videos such as the SNL debate parody. It's not that SNL has any requirement to act fair and balanced, but it's that the average middle-of-the-road voter watches it and takes in the sharp criticisms about Trump, but virtually none about Hillary.

Even known liberal Dean Obeidallah wrote that the SNL parodies are likely to really hurt (or perhaps destroy) Trump's chances, though Obeidallah claims it's a good thing because he feels the parodies expose Trump for what he is.

But that's the whole problem. The entertainment media should not be inserting itself into politics, at least not to the point where they take sides. They're essentially signing on to be a free propaganda machine for Hillary, which is very tough to overcome, and thus removes fairness from the election. The entertainment media should give it equally to both sides, thus preserving neutrality while still being (even more) entertaining.

Sadly, the entertainment industry and the mainstream media have decided it's their moral duty to take sides in elections and influence who gets elected, which is very dangerous, as that gives an immense amount of power to a very tiny group of elitists.

It reminds me all too much of the state-sponsored propaganda machines in communist governments.

I am no Trump defender, and I won't be voting for him.

But has he been given a fair shake in the media or entertainment products since the general election began? Fuck no. That's a lot of what Trump has been trying to say, but in usual Trump fashion, he bungled the message.

Don't worry Druff, the Republicans can counter with "voter fraud" laws, which a Republican strategist has admitted what we all knew, are for the purpose of suppressing likely Democratic voters.

http://https://www.washingtonpost.co...5bc_story.html
10-29-2016, 04:50 PM
hongkonger

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Originally Posted by MumblesBadly

Not to mention they are running the election is nearly every swing state. But yeah, if Trump loses it must have been rigged.
10-29-2016, 04:51 PM
nunbeater

Trump gives comedy writers so much more to work with. I mean goddamn dude you dig the well where there's water. I don't know how Todger doesn't get that
10-29-2016, 04:56 PM
ChipCounter

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10-29-2016, 04:57 PM
Gordman

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Originally Posted by nunbeater

Trump gives comedy writers so much more to work with. I mean goddamn dude you dig the well where there's water. I don't know how Todger doesn't get that

False. IMO, for one thing, some people in media/comedy fear even talking about Hillary for the wrath that will come down on them. PLENTY of accounts here and there from eyewitnesses for what kind of a vile evil woman she really is and the threats she makes. Of course, you will never really hear about that from the leftist media etc.

My next post is a collection of first hand accounts of one such instance.
10-29-2016, 04:58 PM
Lord of the Fraud

Interesting read re Trump/Brexit similarities by one of the more respectable British newspapers.

https://www.indy100.com/article/brex...n-2016-7386096
10-29-2016, 04:59 PM
PLOL

Dude, it doesn't matter who is running the state governments, they are putting microchips in the polling stations owned by GEORGE SOROS. Ever heard of him? Wake up
10-29-2016, 05:06 PM
Muck Ficon

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Originally Posted by Gordman

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Originally Posted by nunbeater

Trump gives comedy writers so much more to work with. I mean goddamn dude you dig the well where there's water. I don't know how Todger doesn't get that

False. IMO, for one thing, some people in media/comedy fear even talking about Hillary for the wrath that will come down on them. PLENTY of accounts here and there from eyewitnesses for what kind of a vile evil woman she really is and the threats she makes. Of course, you will never really hear about that from the leftist media etc.

My next post is a collection of first hand accounts of one such instance.

Better idea............

Shut it down Gordo
10-29-2016, 05:07 PM
hongkonger

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Originally Posted by PLOL

Dude, it doesn't matter who is running the state governments, they are putting microchips in the polling stations owned by GEORGE SOROS. Ever heard of him? Wake up

Time to break out your tinfoil buttplug.