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right, indefensible......the ruskies don't have to justify inaction, they just move another pawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by GringoStar
I wasn't insinuating they will retaliate militarily. I just wonder how they will justify their inaction to little brothers like Syria.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
And lol at Trump's message, invoking God more than once. Real subtle
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Originally Posted by Sanlmar
This is a hilariously stupid excuse from Team Retard. It would almost make sense if Flynn was a carryover from the Obama administration. But if you believe them here, it means that Trump nominated a person to be National Security Adviser who was so incompetent and/or untrustworthy that he needed someone else to be added to the National Security Council's Principals Committee to babysit him. That excuse makes even less sense when combined with the fact that the same executive order removed the Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs from the Principals Committee.
Good thing we didn't elect Killary. She was going to escalate the war in Syria, right?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/u...ance.html?_r=0
Wow.
I hope to hell that Bannon is the one who leaked this.Quote:
When Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, sought the top-secret security clearance that would give him access to some of the nation’s most closely guarded secrets, he was required to disclose all encounters with foreign government officials over the last seven years.
But Mr. Kushner did not mention dozens of contacts with foreign leaders or officials in recent months. They include a December meeting with the Russian ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak, and one with the head of a Russian state-owned bank, Vnesheconombank, arranged at Mr. Kislyak’s behest.
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Mr. Kushner has said he did not discuss sanctions with Mr. Gorkov, the Russian banker. Mr. Gorkov declined to comment on the subject of whether sanctions were discussed.
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Originally Posted by GringoStar
They do that shit a lot, is the weird part. Like.. a lot a lot.
And its confusing because Assad seems like a pretty straight forward, well read, urbane kind of guy.
I get the feeling there are shades of whats going on with Putin / the FSB; where the guys on the front lines just kinda run piss wild and no longer read those daily memos about not murdering dissidents in cold blood literally outside Putin's corner office.
OSA: you meed to write for the E Network because of how much drama you perpetuate.
Drama?
Try this on bitch: YOU ARE NO LONGER INVITED TO GO FLY FISHING.
<russia> hey lets get an bloated drug addict reality tv star elected lol
<president trump> *BOMBBOMBBOMB*
<russia> http://i.imgur.com/sGuMkTJ.jpg
Says the bloated my little pony addict....
They need to stop investigating Trump for allegedly being in contact with Russia and instead investigate Hillary Clinton for selling out American assets to the Russians.
How the Clintons Sold Out U.S. National Interests to the Putin Regime
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...s-putin-regime
https://conspiracydailyupdate.files....pg?w=624&h=305
Lol....sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinto...m-russia-deal/
Oh look. TheXFactor is posting anti-Hillary fake news that is easily disproven by anyone with an IQ over 90. It's making me nostalgic for 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
Taking Team Retard back to its roots.
LOL, Xfactor is a conspiracy theorist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muck FiconLol....sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinto...m-russia-deal/
I've been rough on Trump,
But, IMO, he has had his best 2 days, back to back.
Now:
FIX/improve Obama care.
Stop the lies and Conspiracy theories/Tweets. Getting people that recite BS, like xfactor just posted, out of his office will help w/that.
Take over for Spicer once every 2 weeks or so.................He loves the press, I'd like to see his coverage w/out the lies and w/a direct line of communication to him.
It's all about the 3rd way.
The nazis never surrendered, thats a fact, it's Nazis fighting Nazis and we're all just cannon fodder. Wake the fuck up people.
We have turned Iraq and Syria into a mass murder zone, in the same way we turned Southeast Asia into a genocidal hell hole after pulling out of Nam (see: The Killing Fields).
I don't really see how dropping bombs on Syria does anything other than further destabilize an already hyper-fragile situation.
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Originally Posted by GringoStar
It also sends a totally outrageous message; Assad can harvest as many civilian souls as he wants providing he uses conventional means to do so.
There was a great comment I saw about how Trump is really a media-based president. He bombed Syria because he saw pictures of dead kids. Period. Forget America First.
And again that is a symptom of him having no exposure to politics or governance; there is no discipline, no respect for process.
and equally outrageous message; Trump will unilaterally do whatever his emotionally unstable brain wants to in the moment without any alignment with previously on the record statements of policy/ideologueQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
playing devil's advocate for a minute and looking at the glass half full.
isn't it possible that the strike against Syria could have been an attempt to send a bigger message to china? I.e., when I threaten to do something, it's going to happen. so, when I say you better get North Korea under control or I will do so unilaterally, I really mean it.
if China really thinks trump is nuts and might strike North Korea, would that cause china to take real steps to reign them in? cause the absolute doomsday scenario for china is a military strike against North Korea by the US. that would lead to mass refugees pouring into china or worse, possible reunification with the south and a democratized Korea (I.e., American bases right next door.)
You would have expected the stock market to be down 300 points if you followed the media. Teetering as it is at overvalued highs... you'd think it'd get a haircut and a straight razor shave.
The guys who run your retirement plan see this as a proportional and decisive action.
No news today.
ATTENTION DIRTYSHIT: UR A TALENTLESS BOOK SMART LOSER, stop using the term "TEAM RETARD" like ur judgement matters in any way
This advice will legit make ur life better, u must find inner peace with urself. This talk like anybody actually cares what u think will not allow u to reach ur full potential, which does not involve ur ideas being followed in any way.
The silver lining is that the most radical of the Trump supporters are jumping. The ones that you worry about causing shit when the impeachment process gets energy.
I understand those that support the airstrikes as a chest thumping exercise. I don't understand why anyone supports the US doing it unilaterally with or without congressional support. For shit like that to have a stabilizing impact it needs to be UN led. The most hated bully can't bring peace to a fight.
Sonatine, Trump didn't change his mind because of pictures of the children. He changed his mind because of his popularity polls. He did misread his followers although they will likely pull a Melania and take him back.
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Originally Posted by DirtyB
Here's some more anti-Hillary fake news from the BBC, ABC and others in the main stream media who know that the Clinton's are a bunch of shady crooks and liars.
US election 2016: What really happened with the Clintons in Haiti?
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098
'Friends of Bill'Quote:
"The Clinton family, they are crooks, they are thieves, they are liars," says Haitian activist Dahoud Andre.
In Haiti, a Factory Where Big Money, State Department and the Clintons MeetQuote:
Mrs Clinton's campaign has said she never did anything at the State Department as a result of donations to the Clinton Foundation.
But potential conflicts of interest have emerged.
After the earthquake, disaster capitalists flocked to the nation of 10 million people, which is about the size of the US state of Massachusetts.
Private contractors were eager to sell services, in what one US envoy described in a Wikileaks-disclosed diplomatic cable as a "gold rush".
In email exchanges with top Clinton Foundation officials, a senior aide to Mrs Clinton, who was then-secretary of state, kept an eye out for those identified by the abbreviations "FOB" (friends of Bill Clinton) or "WJC VIPs" (William Jefferson Clinton VIPs).
"Need you to flag when people are friends of WJC," wrote Caitlin Klevorick, a senior State Department official who was vetting incoming offers of assistance coming through the Clinton Foundation.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/haiti...ry?id=42729714
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the Clinton Foundation touts its success in deploying over $30 million in relief support.
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But in Port-au-Prince, where neighborhoods still teem with flimsy lean-tos and tarp-covered shacks, residents told ABC News they harbor frustrations with the way the Clintons marshaled international aid.
“I didn’t get any of the money,” said Inčse Luma, who lives crammed with five relatives in a makeshift home of tarp, wood and plastic. “I don’t think I’m ever going to have a permanent house.”
Efforts to rebuild the thousands of homes destroyed by the 7.0 quake have inched forward. In six years, USAID says, it has constructed fewer than 1,500 homes, and many of those have had to be rebuilt because of poor workmanship.
At the same time, the Clinton Foundation says it “facilitated” the construction of a luxury hotel in Port-au-Prince, a Marriott owned by Denis O’Brien, who has given $10 million to $25 million to the Clinton Foundation. O’Brien, an Irish billionaire who runs the Jamaica-based telecom giant Digicel, said he financed the hotel himself.
The Clintons Didn’t Screw Up Haiti Alone. You Helped.Quote:
The modern industrial park, with wide, clear roads connecting rows of low-slung warehouses, would be paid for by the Inter-American Development Bank, which provided $256.8 million in grants to support construction.The bank has donated $1 million to $5 million to the Clinton Foundation, according to its website. Large American retailers, including Wal-Mart and Gap Inc., have served as buyers for the clothes shipped from Haiti to the U.S. with special U.S. tax breaks. Wal-Mart has given $1 million to $5 million, and Gap has given $100,000 to $250,000 to the foundation. And in 2012, SAE-A, the Korean garment company that was recruited to become the anchor tenant of the park, gave $50,000 to $100,000 to the foundation.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...and_haiti.html
That's great, except that the earthquake in Haiti happened in Southern Haiti not Northern Haiti.Quote:
Once the disaster struck, the U.S. government focused its reconstruction efforts on pushing this vision. That resulted in the construction of Caracol Industrial Park, a $300 million, 600-acre industrial development built to house garment factories in northern Haiti. The project was financed through U.S. tax money via USAID, as well as the Washington-based Inter-American Development Bank. The Clinton Foundation helped promote the project to investors. Bill and George W. Bush teamed up to lobby Congress together to expand trade preferences for Haiti-sewn apparel. Bill also used his position with the IHRC to direct further funds to the project. With the help of U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, a former South Korean trade minister, the organizers recruited Sae-A Trading Co. Ltd., a South Korea–based global garment giant that supplies many of the clothes you buy at Target, Walmart, Gap, Old Navy, and other stores, to be the anchor tenant.
HAITIANS FEAR CLINTONS WILL 'SCAM' THEM AGAIN
Foundation accused of looting impoverished nation after 2010 earthquake
http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/haitians-...am-them-again/
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“We are here today to tell Schneiderman that he is looking in the wrong place,” Dahoud Andre, a KOMOKODA organizer told WND. “The real corruption is at the Clinton Foundation. The Trump Foundation might have a few thousand dollars missing, but the Clinton Foundation has stolen billions. We are here to tell Schneiderman and the state of New York to stop the bias.”
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When asked if the Clinton Foundation came to the aid of the Haitian people following the 2010 earthquake, Andre laughed.
“We understand the Clinton Foundation has been stealing money from Haiti since 2003,” he responded. “In 2008, the United Nations placed Bill Clinton as a special envoy to Haiti. So, this family has been stealing special envoy money, they have been stealing Clinton Foundation money, they have been stealing Interim Haitian Relief Committee money, they have been stealing Clinton-Bush Fund money. The list goes on.”
Andre charged the Clinton Foundation has not been shut down only because “it is being protected” by the Obama administration, specifically by the IRS and the Department of Justice.
“It’s corruption from beginning to end,” Andre asserted. “With Hurricane Matthew, the Clintons cannot even show their head because the whole world knows that they are thieves, and the only reason the Clintons would come to Haiti would be to steal money.”
Just wait until 2020 and Hillary Clinton will try to run for President again.Quote:
“Hillary Clinton helped herself in Haiti,” the Haitian activist continued. “She gave her brother [Tony Rodham] a 25-year gold mining contract in Haiti. She and her whole family are going to benefit off the back of Haitians. Hillary Clinton is an ambitious woman who just wants to make history and benefit the 1 percent. She’s a criminal and a thief. No person of color should vote for Hillary Clinton. Do not waste your vote with her.”
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cp...-610595010.jpg
Been speaking with Turkish Kurd's who just cut my hair. They despise Assad and Iran, but insist that Assad would never drop chems at this stage of the game. Is PR suicide and makes zero sense.
Those claiming Assad forces gone rouge?..... lol
Not clued up enough to know why this went down how it has (tho I got my suspicions/guesses). But it wasn't Assad who dropped those chems. No way.
Trump taking any heat in the US over the whole Russia-connection thing today by any chance?
Apparently Russians were informed before the airstrike and they might have informed Assad. It's also possible the airfield was mostly vacant for other reasons when the missiles hit. I think the grand total for 59 tomahawk missiles was less than 10 victims at a nearby village.
Before this Americans have killed more Assad's troops by accident. But still a gesture and all that.
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Originally Posted by gimmick
We alerted Russia as we didnt want _any_ dead Russians in the mix and they alerted the locals and they vamoosed.
Which is fine, we didnt want dead Syrians.
Punch line: Air base could be functional again in a week.
Yea there was mention that Russia was willing to help Assad repair and improve their air defenses. I assume that "help" has a price. Sorta like Raytheon will help you guys refill your missile arsenal with brand new slightly costlier tomahawks.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
We alerted Russia as we didnt want _any_ dead Russians in the mix and they alerted the locals and they vamoosed.
Which is fine, we didnt want dead Syrians.
Punch line: Air base could be functional again in a week.
Is this post s'posed to be ironical?Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
This play is as old as time. It's like an NFL fan making a 3rd and long call from his armchair. Any idiot can call the next play.
Exploring the multiple levels of political game theory at play here is worth your time - not this nonsense. Did some Facebook friend drop this?
Sit back in your armchair and read the recent posts here. They are pretty coge.
This is all theater
Say whatt? Libtards are jumping to conclusions before all the facts are out, say it ain't so?
It's too early to judge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deal
Lol at trump doing all this because of his popularity ratings, the next elections 3 years away that makes no sense.
The United States is still under a state of emergency since 9/11, the president not only has legal authority to order strikes without the approval of Congress, but also has precedence.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...ency/16851775/
It's just another example of Trump's raging hypocrisy. The airstrike against Syria *is* just theatre. It wont have any meaningful effect on Syria's current regime or civil war, but it helps to distract the mainstream media from Trump's coziness with Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarIs this post s'posed to be ironical?Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
This play is as old as time. It's like an NFL fan making a 3rd and long call from his armchair. Any idiot can call the next play.
Exploring the multiple levels of political game theory at play here is worth your time - not this nonsense. Did some Facebook friend drop this?
Sit back in your armchair and read the recent posts here. They are pretty coge.
This is all theater
FYI, troops are already on the ground, its going to get ugly folks.
this missile strike was something we would have expected from the neocons or hillary, but not sure i would have expected this from trump, since, you know... this was the exact type of thing he said he wouldn't do.
apparently some of the prominent trump supporters are less than pleased
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Originally Posted by milo
and some guy from infowars apparently
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2013/06/the...conservatives/
Excellent article on Neocons and their beliefs. This is not a hatchet job it's unbiased truth.
Here's a few tidbits.
“The machiavellian threefold game of the neoconservatives”
It is well-know that their major influence is the philosophy of Leo Strauss, so much so that they are sometimes referred to as “the straussians”; Norman Podhoretz and his son John, Irving Kristol and his son William, Donald Kagan and his son Robert, Paul Wolfowitz, Adam Shulsky, to name just a few, all expressed their debt to Strauss. Leo Strauss, born to a family of German Orthodox Jews, was both pupil and collaborator of political theorist Carl Schmitt, himself a specialist of Thomas Hobbes and advocate of a “political theology” by which the State must appropriate the attributes of God. Schmitt was an admirer of Mussolini, and the legal counsel of the Third Reich. After the Reichstag fire in February 1933, it was Schmitt who provided the legal framework that justified the suspension of citizen rights and the establishment of the dictatorship.
he thinking of Leo Strauss is difficult to capture, and certainly beyond the purview of this work. Moreover, Strauss is often elliptic because he believes that Truth is harmful to the common man and the social order and should be reserved for superior minds. For this reason, Strauss rarely speaks in his own name, but rather expressed himself as a commentator on classical authors, in whom he discovers many of his own thoughts. Moreover, much like his disciples Allan Bloom ( national myths have no necessary relationship with historical reality: they are socio-cultural constructions that the State has a duty to disseminate. Third, to be effective, any national myth must be based on a clear distinction between good and evil; it derives its cohesive strength from the hatred of an enemy nation. As recognized by Abram Shulsky and Gary Schmitt in an article “Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence” (1999), for Strauss, “deception is the norm in political life” – the rule they applied to fabricating the lie of weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein when working inside the Office of Special Plans.
The duplicity of the neoconservatives is brought to light by a document revealed in 2008 by authors such as James Petras and Stephen Sniegoski (see bibliography); it is a 1996 report by the Israeli think tank Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, entitled “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm”, sent to the new Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. The team responsible for the report was led by Richard Perle, and included Douglas Feith, David Wurmser and his wife Meyrav Wurmser. Perle personally gave the report to Netanyahu on July 8th, 1996. The same year, the authors signed the founding manifesto of PNAC in the U.S., and four years later, they would be positioned in key posts of the U.S. military and U.S. foreign policy.
The disaster in Iraq was foreseen and done on purpose.
The recommendations to the Israeli government to sabotage the peace process in Palestine are presented by the authors of Clean Break as part of a larger plan to allow Israel to “shape its strategic environment”, by “removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq”, weakening Syria and Lebanon, and finally Iran. When Perle, Feith and Wurmser moved to key positions in the U.S. government, they arranged for the United States to implement the program themselves, without Israel having to pay a single drop of blood. If there are differences between the Clean Break report written for the Israeli government in 1996 and the report Rebuilding America’s Defenses written by the same authors for the U.S. government in 2000, it is not in the program itself, but rather the argued reasons.
First, Clean Break does not have Iraq as a threat, but as the weakest of the enemies of Israel, the least dangerous and the easiest to break. In a follow-up to Clean Break, entitled Coping with Crumbling States: A Western and Israeli Balance of Power Strategy for the Levant, Wurmser emphasizes the fragility of Middle East States, particularly Iraq: “the residual unity of the nation is an illusion projected by extreme repression of the state”. Thus the same action of first overthrowing Saddam is recommended to Israel and the United States, but for opposite reasons.
The second fundamental difference between the strategy recommended for Israelis and the propaganda sold to the Americans: while the second highlights both the security interest of the United States, and the noble ideal to spread democracy in the Middle East, the first ignores these two themes. The changes proposed by the Clean Break authors are not expected to bring any benefit to the Arab world. Instead, the goal is clearly to weaken Israel’s enemies by sharpening ethnic, religious and territorial disputes between countries and within each country. After the fall of Saddam, foreseen in Coping with Crumbling States, Iraq would be “ripped apart by the politics of warlords, tribes, clans, sects, and key families”, for the benefit of Israel. Furthermore, it is not democracy that Clean Break recommended for Iraq, but rather restoring a pro-Western monarchy. Such an outcome would obviously be unacceptable to the Americans, but when Lewis Paul Bremer, as head of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in 2003, brought about the destruction of the military and civilian infrastructure in the name of “De-Ba'athification”, it was viewed as a success from the eyes of the Likud. Better still, by dissolving the army, Bremer indirectly created a disorganized pool of resistance of some 400 000 angry soldiers, ensuring chaos for a few years. Daniel Pipes had the gall to write, three years after the invasion of Iraq: “the benefits of eliminating Saddam’s rule must not be forgotten in the distress of not creating a successful new Iraq.
In April 2003, a report titled Israeli Communications Priorities 2003, commissioned to the communications agency Luntz Research Companies & The Israel Project, by the Wexler Foundation, a Zionist organization specializing in cultural exchanges, offers linguistic recommendations to “to integrate and leverage history and communications for the benefit of Israel” with the American public. The document recommends, for example, to speak frequently of “Saddam Hussein” which are “the two words that tie Israel to America”, and “two of the most hated words in the English language right now”. “For a year — a SOLID YEAR — you should be invoking the name of Saddam Hussein and how Israel was always behind American effort to rid the world of this ruthless dictator and liberate their people”. The report also repeatedly suggests that a parallel between Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat need be established. By an ultimate sophistication, Michael Ledeen disputes in his book The War Against the Terror Masters (2003) the common idea that peace in Palestine is the condition for peace in the Middle East; the opposite, he claims, is true: “If we destroy the terror masters in Baghdad, Damascus, Tehran, and Riyadh, we might have a chance of brokering a durable peace [in Palestine]”.
A bunch more in the article but every American should know the truth. The guy who made up the lie about Sadaam acquiring aluminum tubes is now working at the NYT in charge of reporting on Syria. One of Judith Miller's buddies is helping him on his Syria reports. hmmm
wow, coulter is absolutely savaging trump over this. lol at today's retweet
I'm sure it's all just a big misunderstanding