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Believe it or not , I agree druf..
The working white poor would have gotten screwed..
They would have ended up paying $150 month for discount cards...
Baby black momma,s would still get everything free as well as illegal immigrants..BUT..
THE WHITE WORKING CLASS would be paying monthly for a very skeleton plan out of there pittance..
All they had to do was...,,,,.,.
Block Grant Medicaid..
Allow individual,s to join groups..
Deny illegal immigrants extensive care..
Leverage drug companies as a massive buyer..
Competition across state lines..
6 month pre condition for insurance companies...
CASE CLOSED, THAT WOULD BE THE MOST AFFORDABLE AND HIGHST QUALITY FOR AMERICANS!!
RYAN IS A FUCKEN ASS HOLE NEO CON..
rofl thisQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
remember when he was described as a master negotiator that would be able to work with democrats? he can't even get a deal with his own party.
one of his top three campaign promises is now dead within two months after his presidency. maybe he's a regular scumbag politician after all
he's now going to try to cut taxes like every other republican, which i selfishly would love, but will help exactly none of his base. seeing as how the healthcare bill went down, even his effort to cut taxes will somehow be botched. i don't even think the wall will get built now, not that i really ever did i guess.
i hate to be too morbid, but if we're being honest, trump needs a large scale terrorist attack in the US ASAP just to refocus his base on the threat of brown people and distract from this debacle
This health care bill was written by the bush wing of the republican party which means..
More welfare
More extensive care for any illegal who gets here..
No negotiating drug prices. More lamb for the slaughter. .
The whole health care crisis is!!!!! for the working class who arnt covered by employment and aren't allowed to create groups and negotiate.
THIS!! BILL!! DID NOTHING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY!!!!! HAVE A HEALTH CARE CRISIS!!!!!!
it ain't illegals or baby momma's or govt workers..
IT WAS ALL CORPORATE AND WELFARE AND ONCE AGAIN EXCUDED THE PRIVATE SECTOR WORKING CLASS
"We are going to win so much, you are going to get tired of winning"
:lol2
Not a loss for trump at all really, but thanks for the input ppl who don't have a clue what theyre doing and have yet to be proven right once but talk like they have something to say.
K :wtf :wtfQuote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
Of course not. It's Paul Ryan's fault and the Democrats. Trump is the victim here. Trump is so concerned about all this...he's going to let Obamacare "explode".... at the American people's cost. Talk about a president who cares. Obamacare is a "disaster" and instead of trying to fix it....he's taking his ball and going home. America first!!!Quote:
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Lol at the same idiots that thought Hillary was going to win the election pretending to know what's really going on....typical.
I'd do a tl;dr on this article but no one would believe me...:
‘Hello, Bob’: President Trump called my cellphone to say that the health-care bill was dead
By Robert Costa March 24 at 5:59 PM
President Trump called me on my cellphone Friday afternoon at 3:31 p.m. At first I thought it was a reader with a complaint since it was a blocked number.
Instead, it was the president calling from the Oval Office. His voice was even, his tone muted. He did not bury the lead.
“Hello, Bob,” Trump began. “So, we just pulled it.”
Trump was speaking, of course, of the Republican plan to overhaul the Affordable Care Act, a plan that had been languishing for days amid unrest throughout the party as the president and his allies courted members and pushed for a vote.
Before I could ask a question, Trump plunged into his explanation of the politics of deciding to call off a vote on a bill he had been touting.
The Democrats, he said, were to blame.
“We couldn’t get one Democratic vote, and we were a little bit shy, very little, but it was still a little bit shy, so we pulled it,” Trump said.
Trump said he would not put the bill on the floor in the coming weeks. He is willing to wait and watch the current law continue and, in his view, encounter problems. And he believes that Democrats will eventually want to work with him on some kind of legislative fix to Obamacare, although he did not say when that would be.
“As you know, I’ve been saying for years that the best thing is to let Obamacare explode and then go make a deal with the Democrats and have one unified deal. And they will come to us; we won’t have to come to them,” he said. “After Obamacare explodes.”
“The beauty,” Trump continued, “is that they own Obamacare. So when it explodes, they come to us, and we make one beautiful deal for the people.”
My question for the president: Are you really willing to wait to reengage on health care until the Democrats come and ask for your help?
Turning to an aide, Trump asked, “How many days is it now? Whatever.” He laughed.
Trump returned to the theme of blaming the Democrats.
“Hey, we could have done this,” he said. “But we couldn’t get one Democrat vote, not one. So that means they own Obamacare and when that explodes, they will come to us wanting to save whatever is left, and we’ll make a real deal.”
There was little evidence that either Trump or House Republicans made a serious effort to reach out to Democrats.
Still, I wondered, why not whip some more votes this weekend and come back next week to the House with a revised piece of legislation?
“Well,” Trump said, “we could do that, too. But we didn’t do that. It’s always possible, but we pulled it.”
Trump brought up the vote count. “We were close,” he said.
How close?
“I would say within anywhere from five to 12 votes,” Trump said — although widespread reports indicated that at least three dozen Republicans opposed the measure.
[There were at least three dozen Republicans opposed to the health-care bill
That must have hurt after all of his attempts to rally Republicans, I said. He made calls, had people over to the White House, invited House members on Air Force One. He may not have loved the bill, but he embraced the negotiations.
“You’re right,” Trump said. “I’m a team player, but I’ve also said the best thing politically is to let Obamacare explode.”
Trump said he made the decision to pull the bill after meeting Friday at the White House with House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.).
Was that a tense, tough conversation with Ryan, I asked?
“No, not tough,” Trump said. “It’s just life. We had great support among most Republicans but no Democratic votes. Zero. Not one.”
I mentioned to Trump that some of his allies were frustrated with Ryan. Did he share those frustrations, and would he be able to work with Ryan moving forward on plans to cut taxes and build an infrastructure package?
“I don’t blame Paul,” Trump said.
He then repeated the phrase: “I don’t blame Paul. He worked very hard on this.”
And again.
“I don’t blame Paul at all.”
As he waits for Democrats, I asked, what’s next on health care, if anything, policy-wise?
“Time will tell. Obamacare is in for some rough days. You understand that. It’s in for some rough, rough days,” Trump said.
“I’ll fix it as it explodes,” he said. “They’re going to come to ask for help. They’re going to have to. Here’s the good news: Health care is now totally the property of the Democrats.”
Speaking of premium increases, Trump said: “When people get a 200 percent increase next year or a 100 percent or 70 percent, that’s their fault.”
He returned again to a partisan line on the turn of events.
“To be honest, the biggest losers today are Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer,” Trump said of the House minority leader and the Senate minority leader. “Because now they own the disaster known as Obamacare.”
Okay, I asked, they may own it, in his view, but he will at some point be tasked with shaping whatever comes forward as a partial replacement. What will that be? What kind of policy could he support?
“Oh, lots of things can happen,” Trump said. “But the best would be if we could all get together and do a real health-care bill that would be good for the people, and that could very well happen.”
Does Trump regret starting his agenda this year with health care?
“No, I don’t,” he said. “But in a way I’m glad I got it out of the way.”
“Look, I’m a team player,” Trump said of the Republican Party. “I’ve played this team. I’ve played with the team. And they just fell a little bit short, and it’s very hard when you need almost 100 percent of the votes and we have no votes, zero, from the Democrats. It’s unheard of.”
What happened with the House Freedom Caucus, the hard-line conservatives he had wooed over and over again?
“Ah, that’s the big question,” Trump said with a slight chuckle. “Don’t know. I have a good relationship with them, but I couldn’t get them. They just wouldn’t do it.”
Trump alluded to long-running, simmering dramas on Capitol Hill, which he said had little to do with him, as a reason the Freedom Caucus could not back the bill.
“Years of hatred and distrust,” he said. “Long before me.”
Was Trump saying, perhaps, that the inability of Ryan and his team to work well with that caucus was part of why talks stalled?
“Well, look, you can say what you want,” Trump said. “But there are years of problems, great hatred and distrust, and, you know, I came into the middle of it.”
“I think they made a mistake, but that’s okay,” Trump said of the Freedom Caucus.
As we wrapped up, I tried to get some clarity. The president was blaming the Democrats and was willing to let the law “explode.” Yet he also seemed to be teasing the possibility of doing something bipartisan down the road, a fresh start at some point.
I asked: Would working on a bipartisan health-care deal a year from now be something he would find more agreeable than whipping the hard right?
“A lot of people might say that,” Trump said, laughing. “We’ll end up with a better health-care plan. A great plan. And you wouldn’t need the Freedom Caucus.”
What about the moderates, the Tuesday Group?
“They were great,” Trump said. “They were really great.”
He turned once more to the Democrats.
“They own it,” he said.
“You’ve said that,” I told him.
“This is a process,” Trump concluded, “and it’s going to work out very well. I was a team player, and I had an obligation to go along with this.”
As Trump tried to hang up the phone and get back to work, I asked him to reflect, if at all possible, on lessons learned. He’s a few months into his presidency, and he had to pull a bill that he had invested time and energy into passing.
What was on his mind?
“Just another day,” Trump said, flatly. “Just another day in paradise, okay?”
He paused.
“Take care.”
Ugh, id prefer reading homoerotic paragraphs to that boring shit, you're losing it sonnnn......
Is that cock sucker tine still ruining threads
With all of the uptight religious nutjobs we have in this country, on average we don't have the healthy freewheeling attitude towards sex that average Japanese have.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
100% THE SWAMP'S FAULT
why would trump even want this bill after how hysterically retarded the libards have been acting lately? So Obamacare is absolute shit, but yet if trumpcare got thru the hallucinating democrats would never ever consider the fact that trumpcare is shit because its replacing shit that was their fault in the first place, they would immediately dump every problem on Trump even tho it was having the same result of something they were responsible in the first place
"THE DEMOCRATS ARE SCREWING UP PPL, THEYRE SCREWING UP TOWNS, THEYRE SCREWING UP STATES, THEYRE SCREWING UP CULTURE" - EL RUSHBO
it's his bill, he won office based on his promise to implement it.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
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So Obamacare is absolute shit, but yet if trumpcare got thru the hallucinating democrats would never ever consider the fact that trumpcare is shit because its replacing shit that was their fault in the first place, they would immediately dump every problem on Trump even tho it was having the same result of something they were responsible in the first place
now youre just mad.
the democrats control nothing. hows that working out for you and your blue collar?Quote:
"THE DEMOCRATS ARE SCREWING UP PPL, THEYRE SCREWING UP TOWNS, THEYRE SCREWING UP STATES, THEYRE SCREWING UP CULTURE" - EL RUSHBO
Yea, but they don't have tens of thousands of illegal immigrants coming in monthly speaking hundreds of different languages comming over just to get healthcare, much of it extensive..Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Our system would be great if it spoke one language and was generally/ overwhelmingly for the citizenry..
Your comparison has a false premise.. this system we have now is in sustainable to say the least.
Hard fact but true.
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Originally Posted by thesparten
its so weird to see you say something lucid that im not even sure how to respond.
youre not really wrong tho. but honestly youre talking about a very minor variable in an equation; the real problem is that the insurance / pharma industry has exploited our political system.
Trump demanded it pass TODAY and twisted arms as hard as he could but its failure isn't a loss for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
:lol2
obama spent 2 solid years working both sides of the aisle to get ACA passed.
Actually, he is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by thesparten
its so weird to see you say something lucid that im not even sure how to respond.
youre not really wrong tho. but honestly youre talking about a very minor variable in an equation; the real problem is that the insurance / pharma industry has exploited our political system.
having genuinely considered moving to japan, i can say from first hand experience that its virtually impossible and im sorry but that cloistered homogeny does make things measurably saner with regards to their social support networks.
he always wins in the end, a trait u couldn't even come close to understanding. LOL @ THIS GUY THINKS HES THE MAN BUT HE HAS TO TAKE A JOB OVERSEAS, F'N LOSER. If u had any worthwhile talent u would work in USA, but we send u to hongkong to do a bunch of shit we could train a bunch of nerds to do, UR A NOBODY FIGURE IT OUT & STFUQuote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerTrump demanded it pass TODAY and twisted arms as hard as he could but its failure isn't a loss for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
:lol2
It also makes everything pretty fucked up and creepy. And they are facing a massive loss in population if they don't open up. Though lower population isn't necessarily a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Your feelings of inadequacy are painfully obvious. See a therapist.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedishhe always wins in the end, a trait u couldn't even come close to understanding. LOL @ THIS GUY THINKS HES THE MAN BUT HE HAS TO TAKE A JOB OVERSEAS, F'N LOSER. If u had any worthwhile talent u would work in USA, but we send u to hongkong to do a bunch of shit we could train a bunch of nerds to do, UR A NOBODY FIGURE IT OUT & STFUQuote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
Plus, I don't live in Hong Kong.
ALL U BETA CUCKS NEED TO ASSUME UR NATURAL FOLLOWER ROLES & LISTEN TO NATURAL BORN LEADERS LIKE ME IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS WORK
WE'RE TRYING TO BE THE #1 COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HERE, IM SORRY IF UR A CUCK, WE HAVE NO USE FOR ANY OF UR IDEAS. We will get steamrolled by some other country who let their alpha males be in charge
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Originally Posted by hongkongerIt also makes everything pretty fucked up and creepy.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
im sorry you feel that way, i dont agree.
alright dish you're getting hysterical. trump botched this in so many ways it's difficult to list them all.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
first, leading with healthcare was a horrible choice since it's such a tricky thing.
actual quoteQuote:
President Trump said: “I have to tell you, it’s an unbelievably complex subject. Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated.”
next, trump delegated this whole thing to paul ryan and had zero involvement in the process until it was already too late. does anyone honestly believe that he even knew or understood what was in the bill? this makes you wonder if he even has policy ideas or does he just want to generally MAGA?
trump never made sure that the conservatives were on board, which led to a public humiliation after he said the bill was "wonderful," while it couldn't even pass the house.
the bill was substantively terrible. it should worry you that your savior has such bad judgment. why do you think his other bills will be better?
the house freedom caucus publicly made trump look like a bitch. they showed zero fear of retribution from him, even though this was trump's first major legislative initiative.
trump literally said that he was going to repeal and replace obamacare "immediately" in every campaign rally. this was one of his top three campaign promises and he's now conceding failure after two months... with a republican house and senate. how is that even possible? say what you will about obama, but he knew how to get obamacare passed. art of the deal tho
his next initiative is tax reform, but newsflash, that won't be easy to do either.
if nothing else, at least we'll have some batshit crazy tweetstorm coming from him at like 3:00 am about some random issue to distract from all this
tax reform will be much, much easier because all the parties controlling the narrative want the same thing; less taxes for corporations and wealthy honkeys.
Ok I guess the FBI is investigating Infowars, Roger Stone and Breibart about Russia and Influencing the election. I'm pretty sure Stone played a yuge role in Pizzagate.
Wow, heck of an apology. It sounds like Alefontis has sued Jones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgE2rbrqQoI
Anyhow fuck Jones check this out.
Ok now things get weird This is the official CNN channel upload from June 1 2011.
Trump mentions Pizzagate at 20 seconds while talking about Weiner who's sort of involved in Pizzagate. Coincidence or Freudian slip? Why would they call Donald Trump hmm.
Please someone explain this, the odds of this being a coincidence have to be astronomical.
Pizzagate wasn't even a known word in 2011, this is just weird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wAEcN9UIy8
WTF this is either an extremely unlikely coincidence or Trump and Stone have been plotting on Hillary for years, probably w Russian help. Remember Breibart called out Podesta before he died so this is def possible.
Wow the odds of Hillary intentionally losing is now a real possibility. She's literally a GOP trojan horse, she def corrupt enough, got paid enough and by the very same corporate interests (Goldman Sachs etc). I couldn't believe my eyes when the Hillary's generals were all but promising WW3 at the DNC. Maybe Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton were supposed to get caught on the Tarmac. What about the Bizarre announcement from Comey announced right before the election, that would mean the 911 memorial faint was fake too? dude...
so it worked like a charm then, Paul Ryan takes the fall. THE SWAMP NEEDS TO GET F'D IN THE ASS, those scums are never going to give up without thinking they will come out on top of Trump in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
WE MUST ALL DEFEAT THE SWAMP LETS GO!!!!
seriously ppl, what undesirable trait do u have??? It took 1.5 years to know if Obama is shit, but you've said every day Trump will never work??? LOL AND THE BEST PART IS ALOT OF U THINK OBAMA WAS AWESOME LMFAO!!!!!
the tricky part will be the border adjustment tax that trump has been talking about to help pay for the wall, etc.. this type of tax goes against conservative free market ideology and you'll have people like the kochs coming out against itQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by blakethe tricky part will be the border adjustment tax that trump has been talking about to help pay for the wall, etc.. this type of tax goes against conservative free market ideology and you'll have people like the kochs coming out against itQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
so trump will blame the wall failing on the democrats as well while he signs legislation that helps him pay off his 300m debt to a russian bank using a mont blanc pen worth more than my car.
the wall means exactly nothing to trump, neither does obamacare. they were props.
tax reform, on the other hand...
seriously look at how far dish is willing to go to avoid calling a kettle black. you think thats unique to him? these people would rather die in a noose blaming their black ex president than move an inch to avoid the hangman.
i don't think his presidency is finished, but if you haven't lost some confidence in his ability to get things done, i don't know what to tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
this was a major major campaign promise of his that he's already bailing on two months in. i'm not sure he's prepared for how tough this job is.
also, to repeat, the bill he wanted passed was awful. it's got to worry you that he even liked it in the first place.