Time to get on the TRUMP train

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Originally Posted by limitles

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Originally Posted by GringoStar

Hate to break it to you, but the only country that has universal healthcare with a comparable population and geographical area is Russia. Make with that what you will.

If you look at the rest of the list, most have populations much smaller than mid-size American states.

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Population shouldn't be used in a comparison, but GDP/capita could. If you can find some goods stats for da states in a fair comparison that would be interesting.

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I disagree, but GDP per capita is an important statistic to consider as well.

Since health insurance is measured in "lives," overall population of a "group" is one of the most important factors when considering how overarching a policy or regulation can be. There are thousands of factors, probably more, but really any guiding principle, in any capacity, becomes increasingly less precise as it applies to larger populations.

I'll stop there, as I am not officially recognized by either major actuarial society.

Who are the singers here?

(one man and two women i think, some no-names?)

I like this Sinatra stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bvefNyZYKs

trump's national security advisor flynn was registered as a foreign agent. literally true.

The only thing the Democrats have going for them right now is Trump's Russia connections scandal. Because the leadership of the Democratic Party is still quietly/behind closed doors, in the VIP Room of the DNC headquarters, sucking the cocks of the big corporate donors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J2C...ature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by thesidedish

hongkonger: What a fucking retard

ugh u are SFBAD these days, u have the creativity of a beaten down CUCK

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Sidedish is being WAYYY too nice.

Obama literally is 3rd generation CIA.

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Originally Posted by Mintjewlips

Obama literally is 3rd generation CIA.

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I'm pretty sure you understand what maybe 3 words in that sentence actually mean in real life.

Lol at "the Russian connection", jfc, it's just lazy, very lazy.

After years of crawling through the rabbit hole I've noticed that you never get the REAL conspiracy in full, mainly because of the high amount of disinformation and controlled opposition. It's all speculation based on a loose foundation of facts.

The real conspiracy is the fact that all of the corruption is intertwined with every politician and corporation. They are pretty much inseparable.

But if i were to try and find a credible conspiracy involving trump i would look to none other then his home city, New York city.

The real dirt is Trumps dealings with the Italian mob, it's pretty well known that you can't build shit in New York without dealing with the mob in one way or another. I was glad to see that Trumps dealings with the Italian mob never caught on because i was rooting for him the whole way. But i did pause to think about it after Trump won the election. I wondered why the media never expanded on that the way they are with the fake Russian controversy. There's so much to dig up, ffs i think sammy the bull gravano was ready to rat on trump, i know sammy briefly mentioned something about trump in one of his books.

aaaaand the house just passed Trumpcare.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

aaaaand the house just passed Trumpcare.

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it passed a couple house committees but not the house itself. i give it a zero percent chance of success if it went to the house in its current form. fwiw, the house freedom caucus has been unequivocal that it would be rejected

So this is so fucking strange...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politi...ion/index.html

The FBI has re-opened their investigation into this weirdness. The thing is, I read a lot of really coge analysis from people who do exactly this sort of thing for a living, and they really didnt find much going on that was suspicious.

More to the point, when taken in the context of the narrative "Trump collusion with Russia", the traffic described between the servers was absolutely terrible from an opsec/tradecraft perspective.

If anything, this looked deliberately suspicious.

And again, I wonder if all this Russia bullshit is what actual Russians are warning us it is; a rope-a-dope to get the press to overcommit so their real agenda can get pushed through in the aftermath.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

So this is so fucking strange...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politi...ion/index.html

And again, I wonder if all this Russia bullshit is what actual Russians are warning us it is; a rope-a-dope to get the press to overcommit so their real agenda can get pushed through in the aftermath.

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NO SHIT lol.

Classic diversion tactic imo, this whole Russian conspiracy theory is a ruse(pun intended), there's nothing there, like i said in my previous post if the media really wanted to reveal a conspiracy involving Trump they really don't have to look to far, there's no need to speculate about "unproven" dossiers, all they need to do is follow the money.

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Originally Posted by Mintjewlips

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Originally Posted by sonatine

So this is so fucking strange...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politi...ion/index.html

And again, I wonder if all this Russia bullshit is what actual Russians are warning us it is; a rope-a-dope to get the press to overcommit so their real agenda can get pushed through in the aftermath.

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NO SHIT lol.

Classic diversion tactic imo, this whole Russian conspiracy theory is a ruse(pun intended), there's nothing there, like i said in my previous post if the media really wanted to reveal a conspiracy involving Trump they really don't have to look to far, there's no need to speculate about "unproven" dossiers, all they need to do is follow the money.

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Or, and forgive me, or... Trump and Russia are legit gas lighting all of us and at the end of it, Russia gets sanctions lifted and gets its precious Crimea back, and Trump gets an insulated overclass protected by an invigorated rebranding of white supremacy to the blue collar belt, as well as a few hundred billion dollars in equity in Russian energy contracts cloistered behind a literal impenetrable wall of shell corps.

And I know how fucking ludicrous that sounds but is it really?

In white peoples defense, non white majority country's are shit holes overall.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

So this is so fucking strange...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politi...ion/index.html

The FBI has re-opened their investigation into this weirdness. The thing is, I read a lot of really coge analysis from people who do exactly this sort of thing for a living, and they really didnt find much going on that was suspicious.

More to the point, when taken in the context of the narrative "Trump collusion with Russia", the traffic described between the servers was absolutely terrible from an opsec/tradecraft perspective.

If anything, this looked deliberately suspicious.

And again, I wonder if all this Russia bullshit is what actual Russians are warning us it is; a rope-a-dope to get the press to overcommit so their real agenda can get pushed through in the aftermath.

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it might be real, but the russia-trump connection never made complete sense to me.

on msnbc, really early in the campaign, they had a former general on who said that although russia wants hillary diminished (and embroiled in scandal for her entire presidency), russia would ultimately much rather have clinton in the white house than trump, because clinton would at least be predictable while trump may be insane.

unpredictability is the absolute last thing a foreign power would want in the US president. as much as the russians may think they can control or manipulate trump, how much are they willing to bet on that? they’ve got to be at least a little concerned that it’s not an act and that trump is as crazy as he sometimes appears.

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Originally Posted by Mintjewlips

NO SHIT lol.

Classic diversion tactic imo, this whole Russian conspiracy theory is a ruse(pun intended), there's nothing there, like i said in my previous post if the media really wanted to reveal a conspiracy involving Trump they really don't have to look to far, there's no need to speculate about "unproven" dossiers, all they need to do is follow the money.

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Or, and forgive me, or... Trump and Russia are legit gas lighting all of us and at the end of it, Russia gets sanctions lifted and gets its precious Crimea back, and Trump gets an insulated overclass protected by an invigorated rebranding of white supremacy to the blue collar belt, as well as a few hundred billion dollars in equity in Russian energy contracts cloistered behind a literal impenetrable wall of shell corps.

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You lost me after insulated overclass.

Crimea belonged to Russia, let them have it.

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Originally Posted by Mintjewlips

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Or, and forgive me, or... Trump and Russia are legit gas lighting all of us and at the end of it, Russia gets sanctions lifted and gets its precious Crimea back, and Trump gets an insulated overclass protected by an invigorated rebranding of white supremacy to the blue collar belt, as well as a few hundred billion dollars in equity in Russian energy contracts cloistered behind a literal impenetrable wall of shell corps.

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You lost me after insulated overclass.

Crimea belonged to Russia, let them have it.

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i guess crimea was shorthand for 'their aspirations in the european theater' which include ukraine etc. possibly even poland.

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by sonatine

So this is so fucking strange...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politi...ion/index.html

The FBI has re-opened their investigation into this weirdness. The thing is, I read a lot of really coge analysis from people who do exactly this sort of thing for a living, and they really didnt find much going on that was suspicious.

More to the point, when taken in the context of the narrative "Trump collusion with Russia", the traffic described between the servers was absolutely terrible from an opsec/tradecraft perspective.

If anything, this looked deliberately suspicious.

And again, I wonder if all this Russia bullshit is what actual Russians are warning us it is; a rope-a-dope to get the press to overcommit so their real agenda can get pushed through in the aftermath.

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it might be real, but the russia-trump connection never made complete sense to me.

on msnbc, really early in the campaign, they had a former general on who said that although russia wants hillary diminished (and embroiled in scandal for her entire presidency), russia would ultimately much rather have clinton in the white house than trump, because clinton would at least be predictable while trump may be insane.

unpredictability is the absolute last thing a foreign power would want in the US president. as much as the russians may think they can control or manipulate trump, how much are they willing to bet on that? they’ve got to be at least a little concerned that it’s not an act and that trump is as crazy as he sometimes appears.

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that's why its always been a non-issue outside of ppl playing politics. Russia wouldn't go out of their way to help Trump because they can't predict the future.

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it might be real, but the russia-trump connection never made complete sense to me.

on msnbc, really early in the campaign, they had a former general on who said that although russia wants hillary diminished (and embroiled in scandal for her entire presidency), russia would ultimately much rather have clinton in the white house than trump, because clinton would at least be predictable while trump may be insane.

unpredictability is the absolute last thing a foreign power would want in the US president. as much as the russians may think they can control or manipulate trump, how much are they willing to bet on that? they’ve got to be at least a little concerned that it’s not an act and that trump is as crazy as he sometimes appears.

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that's why its always been a non-issue outside of ppl playing politics. Russia wouldn't go out of their way to help Trump because they can't predict the future.

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i think this is a flawed analysis. first off, trump can be bought. hes not a politician, hes a businessman. secondly, the bannon factor. bannon would sell our species out to aliens as lab monkeys as long as they left middle class whites alone and he could stay rich and powerful.


but again i think they are essentially hiding smoke with fire; the 'talking points' one hears when discussing russian conspiracy seems rooted in deliberately and irresistibly salient garbage.

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that's why its always been a non-issue outside of ppl playing politics. Russia wouldn't go out of their way to help Trump because they can't predict the future.

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i think this is a flawed analysis. first off, trump can be bought. hes not a politician, hes a businessman. secondly, the bannon factor. bannon would sell our species out to aliens as lab monkeys as long as they left middle class whites alone and he could stay rich and powerful.


but again i think they are essentially hiding smoke with fire; the 'talking points' one hears when discussing russian conspiracy seems rooted in deliberately and irresistibly salient garbage.

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i hear you with the he can be bought thing, and that's definitely possible, but i still have a hard time believing that russia would actually want a seemingly unstable narcissist running the world economy. i guess nothing would really surprise me at this point though.

sidenote -- interesting dynamic going on with the obamacare repeal bill.

breitbart is just hammering it with 100 different articles calling it obamacare 2.0. but they’re doing it without criticizing trump at all, and are instead pointing their finger at enemy number one, paul ryan.

the narrative now is that paul ryan misled trump as to the level of support this bill had in the house and senate, setting trump up to look like an idiot. ryan (i.e. the establishment) doesn’t want trump to succeed, etc., etc.

if you look at the breitbart comment section (or listen to conservative talk radio callers), which is the core trump demographic, they hate paul ryan and seem to be 100% in rand’s corner and do not want this bill getting passed. my guess is that rand knows that trump’s followers are behind him and, as such, has zero fear of trump’s wrath.

at this point, i think it’s much more likely that trump caves to rand and ends up trying to straight repeal obamacare (or does nothing) than tries to pass the ryan bill.

and... one final rant on this. rand paul is 100% right about the problems with ryan’s bill. the biggest issue is that, like obamacare, it requires coverage for people with preexisting conditions, but unlike obamacare, it doesn’t have an effective mandate requiring healthy people to sign up.

so basically, there would be zero incentive for any healthy person to ever get insurance. you may as well wait to get sick and get coverage then. the only penalty would be a 30% increase in the premium cost, which is not going to be nearly enough to actually get healthy people to sign up for insurance.

the fact that not enough healthy people are signing up for obamacare is the main thing that’s fucking up premiums now. can you even imagine what insurance premiums will look like if this monstrosity gets passed?

paul ryan’s answer to that is they can only do so much without 60 votes in the senate (which is true), but once they get those 60 votes, they’ll be able to fix this bill to put in measures that help reduce costs. newsflash — neither party will get a 60 vote majority in the senate for a long long time. i.e, ryan’s whole multi-step process to fix health care is complete fiction and we’ll be stuck with whatever comes out of this. ryan obv knows this but he’s saying what he needs to say to keep the entitlements in but try to win over conservative voters.

-fin

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i think this is a flawed analysis. first off, trump can be bought. hes not a politician, hes a businessman. secondly, the bannon factor. bannon would sell our species out to aliens as lab monkeys as long as they left middle class whites alone and he could stay rich and powerful.


but again i think they are essentially hiding smoke with fire; the 'talking points' one hears when discussing russian conspiracy seems rooted in deliberately and irresistibly salient garbage.

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i hear you with the he can be bought thing, and that's definitely possible, but i still have a hard time believing that russia would actually want a seemingly unstable narcissist running the world economy. i guess nothing would really surprise me at this point though.

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russia has been on the outside looking in with regards to the world economy for a long, long time and this is arguably the root of their love affair with iran, syria, so on because seriously no one else can legally do a lot of business with them at this point.

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that's why its always been a non-issue outside of ppl playing politics. Russia wouldn't go out of their way to help Trump because they can't predict the future.

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i think this is a flawed analysis. first off, trump can be bought. hes not a politician, hes a businessman. secondly, the bannon factor. bannon would sell our species out to aliens as lab monkeys as long as they left middle class whites alone and he could stay rich and powerful.


but again i think they are essentially hiding smoke with fire; the 'talking points' one hears when discussing russian conspiracy seems rooted in deliberately and irresistibly salient garbage.

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lol definitely a flawed analysis

Paul Ryan is a globalist puppet thats in the pocket of the Koch brothers. Trump gave Ryan a chance but Ryan stabbed Trump in the back, and so did John McCain. Look for Trump to spend alot more time on the road campaigning for alot of new congressmen/woman to do his bidding. I can see Trump spending the next 2 years constantly on the road not only campaigning for new Republicans in the house and Senate but also rallying his base for the 2020 election.

#amphetaminescripsonfleek

"POLITICIANS CANT BE BOUGHT"

MARCH 9, 2017 THE DAY ATINE WENT FULL ESTABLISHMENT SHILL

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It's a forgery, faggot.

Interesting fact and thread on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromos...ntries_in_the/

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The US is one of only a few countries in the world without paid maternity leave & has the highest maternal & infant mortality rates of developed & some developing countries. Given our poorer start in life, is it a shock the US also has the highest social & health problems of all developed countries?

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How come were always the odd country out? Republicans, they're literally the root cause of virtually all the problems we face as a nation.

Larry Wilkerson is uber credible and has sources in or near the Trump admin. Wow Trump may of got spied on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgd4WDMG4mQ&t

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It's a forgery, faggot.

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MORON PAY ATTENTION. Malik Obama is a world class troll, the chances of it being a joke were very high. Anybody that thinks they know anything about politics should have known that in the first place and not get too worked up, but YOU IMMEDIATELY WENT FULL RETARD/SHILL. Take a vacation or something, clear ur head, cuz u just look like some guy pouting that's not even trying to use his brain for the last cpl wks. complete garbage tier "this" when u agree or "what a retard" when u disagree posting

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"POLITICIANS CANT BE BOUGHT"

MARCH 9, 2017 THE DAY ATINE WENT FULL ESTABLISHMENT SHILL

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http://i.imgur.com/vfT20ED.jpg

Wow whats next? A pepe yugioh card???

https://news.vice.com/story/what-we-...my-great-again


oof...

oh also Trumpcare gives employers the right to demand genetic screens of their employees and view the results.

the results are 'anonymized' but when you consider that they will include things like hair type/color, eye color, ethnicity, yada yada its a pretty much an easy slam dunk to see whose genetic profile belongs to which employees.

not that it matters to PFA because none of you are employable but still.

"we have to pass Obamacare to see whats in it"

"ppl need to know whats in Trumpcare before we pass it"


-NANCY PELOSI, DEMOCRATS IN A NUTSHELL

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healthcare not my field, I care about it slightly more than pipelines. I'm just here to push the USA IS #1 narrative

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you may need to start caring more about this cause conservatives and other trump supporters are freaking the fuck out about this nonstop. a new breitbart article now says that if the ryan bill passes, it will lead to... president elizabeth warren.

7 Reasons Why Obamacare 2.0 Is All But Guaranteed to Impose Crushing Costs on Voters, Hurt Trump’s Base, And Hand Power Back to the Democrats

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6) This bill is going to unleash the kind of political fury on Republicans that will elect Elizabeth Warren in 2020.

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The Left is furious and energetic under Trump. The 2018 midterm elections are right around the corner, and Democrats are going to launch a holy war against Trump during the 2020 election. The Left will rally around Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren and other progressives and portray the Democrats as the party of the forgotten man. The white, working class gave Trump a chance in 2016. They could easily begin voting Democratic again or drop out of the political process altogether after a healthcare betrayal.

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...the-democrats/

i realize i'm dwelling on this, but this is the most fascinating political story out there and it will have unbelievably huge consequences. how this ends up will likely determine how trump's presidency goes.

this bill has a zero percent chance of passing congress yet trump already publicly called it "wonderful." i guess there's a ton of moderate republican house and senate members that are terrified of straight repealing obamacare (and not replacing it) since people will lose benefits. on the other hand, rand and the other conservatives will never go along with literally any aspect of the ryan bill.

the only other option would be to do absolutely nothing, but wouldn't that be an embarrassing result for trump, the master dealmaker, that he couldn't repeal obamacare with a republican house and senate? wouldn't that completely disenfranchise his base? repealing obamacare was one of his top three campaign promises. they already sent a repeal bill to obama's desk in 2015. i really don't know what happens to the rest of trump's agenda if this bill fails.

cliffs: if you're a democrat, get down on your knees this instant and thank god for paul ryan.

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you may need to start caring more about this cause conservatives and other trump supporters are freaking the fuck out about this nonstop. a new breitbart article now says that if the ryan bill passes, it will lead to... president elizabeth warren.

7 Reasons Why Obamacare 2.0 Is All But Guaranteed to Impose Crushing Costs on Voters, Hurt Trump’s Base, And Hand Power Back to the Democrats

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6) This bill is going to unleash the kind of political fury on Republicans that will elect Elizabeth Warren in 2020.

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The Left is furious and energetic under Trump. The 2018 midterm elections are right around the corner, and Democrats are going to launch a holy war against Trump during the 2020 election. The Left will rally around Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren and other progressives and portray the Democrats as the party of the forgotten man. The white, working class gave Trump a chance in 2016. They could easily begin voting Democratic again or drop out of the political process altogether after a healthcare betrayal.

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...the-democrats/

i realize i'm dwelling on this, but this is the most fascinating political story out there and it will have unbelievably huge consequences. how this ends up will likely determine how trump's presidency goes.

this bill has a zero percent chance of passing congress yet trump already publicly called it "wonderful." i guess there's a ton of moderate republican house and senate members that are terrified of straight repealing obamacare (and not replacing it) since people will lose benefits. on the other hand, rand and the other conservatives will never go along with literally any aspect of the ryan bill.

the only other option would be to do absolutely nothing, but wouldn't that be an embarrassing result for trump, the master dealmaker, that he couldn't repeal obamacare with a republican house and senate? wouldn't that completely disenfranchise his base? repealing obamacare was one of his top three campaign promises. they already sent a repeal bill to obama's desk in 2015. i really don't know what happens to the rest of trump's agenda if this bill fails.

cliffs: if you're a democrat, get down on your knees this instant and thank god for paul ryan.

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The minute I read it I knew it would deliver single-payer if it passed. 50 something self-employed dude who makes a taxable 50k is the rustbelt. That dude bit hard on Trump. They really thought he was going to deliver the impossible.

They didn't understand that you couldn't be cheaper, cover pre-existing, and keep medicaid without a mandate punishable with prison. Instead, they write a bill that's the equivalent of being able to call up and buy auto insurance with a 30% penalty immediately after rear-ending a bus full of special needs kids. It's insane. Who young and healthy would ever buy insurance until they got sick? You go decades in between major medical emergencies. What's a 30% penalty on an already cheap younger person policy when you might not pay anything for 20 years? Quadrupling the rates of your core supporters at the same time.

It's stupid beyond all belief. I hope to hell it passes because it will destroy him.

The house is begging to get rid of Medicaid sooner, while the Senators are saying it can't be phased out at all. Meanwhile, Trump promised the moon and universal cheap coverage.

Honestly, its as if he fired that killer analytics group that delivered the election to him and there's no one there explaining to him who actually voted for him and how slim he won in the traditionally blue states.

He's not drawing dead though. If it fails, he can starve the system, blame the democrats and say what Obama built can't be fixed until it falls apart, and his voters are unsophisticated enough to possibly buy in if the economy is otherwise performing well.

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you may need to start caring more about this cause conservatives and other trump supporters are freaking the fuck out about this nonstop. a new breitbart article now says that if the ryan bill passes, it will lead to... president elizabeth warren.

7 Reasons Why Obamacare 2.0 Is All But Guaranteed to Impose Crushing Costs on Voters, Hurt Trump’s Base, And Hand Power Back to the Democrats

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6) This bill is going to unleash the kind of political fury on Republicans that will elect Elizabeth Warren in 2020.

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The Left is furious and energetic under Trump. The 2018 midterm elections are right around the corner, and Democrats are going to launch a holy war against Trump during the 2020 election. The Left will rally around Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren and other progressives and portray the Democrats as the party of the forgotten man. The white, working class gave Trump a chance in 2016. They could easily begin voting Democratic again or drop out of the political process altogether after a healthcare betrayal.

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...the-democrats/

i realize i'm dwelling on this, but this is the most fascinating political story out there and it will have unbelievably huge consequences. how this ends up will likely determine how trump's presidency goes.

this bill has a zero percent chance of passing congress yet trump already publicly called it "wonderful." i guess there's a ton of moderate republican house and senate members that are terrified of straight repealing obamacare (and not replacing it) since people will lose benefits. on the other hand, rand and the other conservatives will never go along with literally any aspect of the ryan bill.

the only other option would be to do absolutely nothing, but wouldn't that be an embarrassing result for trump, the master dealmaker, that he couldn't repeal obamacare with a republican house and senate? wouldn't that completely disenfranchise his base? repealing obamacare was one of his top three campaign promises. they already sent a repeal bill to obama's desk in 2015. i really don't know what happens to the rest of trump's agenda if this bill fails.

cliffs: if you're a democrat, get down on your knees this instant and thank god for paul ryan.

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not too worried about it, trump just threw it out there to negotiate. RAND PAUL IS ON THE CASE.

BUT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NO CHANCE, HAVE U SEEN THEIR NEW BIGGEST LOUDMOUTH MAXINE WATERS?? she doesn't even know where shes at

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she was talking about the trump piss sex tapes like they were fact today which will lead to impeachment, JUST AN ABSOLUTE DISASTER OF A WOMAN