Good luck with that one. Don't forget, Lebron knows everything about racial relations in America but just.... isn't quite aware of what's going on over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Rich Blacks Cucking Americans Lives Matter
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Good luck with that one. Don't forget, Lebron knows everything about racial relations in America but just.... isn't quite aware of what's going on over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Rich Blacks Cucking Americans Lives Matter
She is wacked...
https://youtu.be/0XZNt_RGmBk
so you are pro-private prison industry dwai? how do you feel about the war on drugs?
war on drugs is fucked, just like the war on terror and war on covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
no I'm not for pro private prison, but I am for law and order.
Socialist AOC has two expensive apartments and drives a Tesla but lets her grandmother starve in Puerto Rico.
"Sleazy bimbo AOC strikes again"
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Props for calling her a socialist and not slutty former barmaid
Trying to make political theatre, AOC had been telling the world that Trump's policies had her grandmother living in poverty in Puerto Rico. But the whole thing has now backfired on AOC. It was pointed out how she had two expensive apartments and a brand new Tesla but let's her grandmother starve. Now, a GoFundMe was setup for her grandmother. 100K was raised in ten hours. But someone, whether it was AOC, her grandmother, or someone else in the family, has told GoFundMe they won't accept the money. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Now the dirty little secret. The GoFundMe was set up by comedian, actor, and also conservative Matt Walsh to get AOC's reaction to it. I figure she responded just the way he thought she would.
hey man,Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaiwar on drugs is fucked, just like the war on terror and war on covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
no I'm not for pro private prison, but I am for law and order.
the problem with law and order folks is that they want to create crime where there is none, like with drugs. that basically feeds into the private prison industry & of course the regular prison industry. I get that you hate the blacks because they bang your wife or whatever but even with your law and order tendencies do you really wanna see a bunch of black dudes in prison for non-violent drug crimes? because that is what "law and order" get you
don't hate black people, if you do the crime you do the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeaterhey man,Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
the problem with law and order folks is that they want to create crime where there is none, like with drugs. that basically feeds into the private prison industry & of course the regular prison industry. I get that you hate the blacks because they bang your wife or whatever but even with your law and order tendencies do you really wanna see a bunch of black dudes in prison for non-violent drug crimes? because that is what "law and order" get you
I'm not talking about a guy smoking a doobie, talking about meth pushers and cartel types, what's your solution? just decriminalization of all drugs? lol
actually yes. look at what happened with alcohol and prohibition, as soon as it was legalized there was no money to be made in it. no mob money at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaidon't hate black people, if you do the crime you do the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
I'm not talking about a guy smoking a doobie, talking about meth pushers and cartel types, what's your solution? just decriminalization of all drugs? lol
Take it out of the black market, let people live their lives how they want to. I mean do you not have a problem with govt deciding what you can cannot put into your body>
I can agree somewhat to what you're saying but there still has to be a sense of law, we can't just have a lawless societyQuote:
Originally Posted by nunbeateractually yes. look at what happened with alcohol and prohibition, as soon as it was legalized there was no money to be made in it. no mob money at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
Take it out of the black market, let people live their lives how they want to. I mean do you not have a problem with govt deciding what you can cannot put into your body>
who said anything about lawless society? I think if a crime doesn't have a victim than it shouldn't be classified as a crime. I think we should legalize & regulate all drugs like we do with alcohol. fun fact, there are companies in the US right legit making cocaine because it is needed as a base in many medical drugs like lidocain/novocaine/etc, we already have the framework and by taking drugs off the table we can utilize our police to solve all of them unsolved murders and do actual police workQuote:
Originally Posted by dwaiI can agree somewhat to what you're saying but there still has to be a sense of law, we can't just have a lawless societyQuote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
I can get on board with this obviously, but more government regulations is a lot of headache but yes I agree police should be doing actual crime solving and less bullshit ticketing and arrestingQuote:
Originally Posted by nunbeaterwho said anything about lawless society? I think if a crime doesn't have a victim than it shouldn't be classified as a crime. I think we should legalize & regulate all drugs like we do with alcohol. fun fact, there are companies in the US right legit making cocaine because it is needed as a base in many medical drugs like lidocain/novocaine/etc, we already have the framework and by taking drugs off the table we can utilize our police to solve all of them unsolved murders and do actual police workQuote:
Originally Posted by dwai
There is somewhat of a legitimate argument for marijuana legalization, because pot itself doesn't cause severe harmful addiction issues where people need to be hospitalized or put in rehab.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeaterwho said anything about lawless society? I think if a crime doesn't have a victim than it shouldn't be classified as a crime. I think we should legalize & regulate all drugs like we do with alcohol. fun fact, there are companies in the US right legit making cocaine because it is needed as a base in many medical drugs like lidocain/novocaine/etc, we already have the framework and by taking drugs off the table we can utilize our police to solve all of them unsolved murders and do actual police workQuote:
Originally Posted by dwai
There is not a good argument for full recreational drug legalization, for various reasons:
1) It will then become the public's responsibliity to deal with addicts who cannot afford treatment
2) These drugs are far more harmful than marijuana
3) Some of these drugs cause people to do crazy things and commit violent crime, thus harming others
However, I would be for treatment of illegal drugs the same way they treat unlicensed/offshore online gambling -- illegal to offer, legal to use. This way you wouldn't see people arrested/prosecuted for possession of a personal amount of illegal drugs, but you would see drug dealers prosecuted.
tip of the cap to todd and dwai, good debate guysQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffThere is somewhat of a legitimate argument for marijuana legalization, because pot itself doesn't cause severe harmful addiction issues where people need to be hospitalized or put in rehab.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
There is not a good argument for full recreational drug legalization, for various reasons:
1) It will then become the public's responsibliity to deal with addicts who cannot afford treatment
right, so instead we are paying to incarcerate these people. and they still need treatment. remove the illegalities and now they don't have to worry about going to get help to kick their addiction
2) These drugs are far more harmful than marijuana
which drugs? how are they far more harmful? I would never encourage anyone to use cocaine but at the end of the day I could give a fuck if someone else is, any risks they take are their own. but if you add up all the ODs from illegal drugs they are absolutely dwarfed by aspirin. Alcohol, etc. To me that shit is far more harmful but legal for some reason. Most of the addicts biggest victims are themselves. Is there collateral damage like kids that are not taken care of families in turmoil and such? Yes, but we have the same thing with alcohol and no one is trying to throw deadbeat alcoholic dads in jail for drinking.
3) Some of these drugs cause people to do crazy things and commit violent crime, thus harming others
OK so I hear this argument a lot and it is really a non-issue as far as I can tell. Why? Well, think of the untold millions of people that did drugs and then never attacked or robbed anyone while they were on those drugs. People that commit violent crime are going to commit violent crime regardless of whether they are on drugs or not, drugs aren't a magical switch that turns everyone into a bloodthirsty junkie. but here is the crazy thing: if someone is on drugs and, for example, murders someone, then you charge them with murder. Most of the harms from drugs happens to the people doing them.
However, I would be for treatment of illegal drugs the same way they treat unlicensed/offshore online gambling -- illegal to offer, legal to use. This way you wouldn't see people arrested/prosecuted for possession of a personal amount of illegal drugs, but you would see drug dealers prosecuted.
Fully legalized and regulated, which is what is happening with marijuana, would be the best route. Why? If it is illegal to offer that is still putting people at risk, I am sure you have heard of people overdosing on Fentanyl because they thought it was heroin and took too much. Well if drugs were legal and regulated you would be able to get your H or coke or whatevs and you would know for a fucking fact that it was safe and pure. And one of the issues that you have with people robbing other people to get money for drugs, well if it were legal and regulated then the shit would be so much cheaper that they wouldn't need to rob people. Although to be fair that's another falsehood; if someone was gonna rob you for drug money they were gonna rob you for any money.
nunbeater:
There is no question that people are more likely to commit bad crimes while high on hard drugs, because they simply aren't thinking straight. This differs from pot, where people develop more of a mellow/tired feeling, but aren't more likely to exhibit violent criminal behavior than when sober. I'm sure you've seen those videos where police are trying to deal with a violent criminal high on something, and there's absolutely no reasoning with them or calming them down. Often it ends tragically, with the person seriously hurt or killed when they simply can't be apprehended peacefully.
I'm not making the argument that hard drugs cause people to become violent criminals. I'm arguing that some people become crazy, irrational, or easily brought to a violent/aggressive satte, and that it's far more likely for someone on hard drugs to commit acts of violence than someone who is sober (or even drunk/stoned).
When you legalize something, you both put the government's stamp of legitiamacy on it, and you make it far easier to obtain. It's easy to forget this when you have a peer group which does a lot of drugs (as we definitely have in poker). The average American can't easily obtain something like cocaine. I'm not saying it's impossible, but the average person can't just abruptly decide to try cocaine and quickly get some. Additionally, other factors such as the illegality and the fear of dealing with drug dealers also would keep some would-be-cocaine-users away from it, as opposed to if it were legal.
Now, if someone has their heart set upon trying cocaine, they can make it happen. And if you have friends who openly do coke, sure you can easily get it. But the average American doesn't fit into either of these categories.
We should not be legalizing dangerous, highly addictive hard drugs. I am all far decriminalizing the purchase and possession of small amounts, but not a full legalization/regulation to where anyone can buy them if they feel like it. That's just creating a ton of new addicts we otherwise wouldn't have.
you realize that all evidence points to the opposite conclusion. in countries with legalization/decriminalization rate of hard drug use actually goes down. and if someone wants to do it at least they will get something safe from a lab and not boiled in gasoline or whatever the fuck they do in colombia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
if we're talking about people in a crazy irrational state then the real convo needs to be about alcohol. seriously I have never seen something flip the switch as hard as alcohol.
and legalizing it doesn't mean the govt approves or disapproves. it means that we as a society decided that the punishment far outweighs the crime. which it does. like people get sent to live in 8 by 8 cells for long periods of time because of fucking drugs. that's fucking insanity to me
PCP and stimulants have some iffy scenarios. Opiates and some benzos drop inhibitions to levels where people just don't care anymore.
Less so when they are legal and still nothing compared to alcohol.
As is the decriminalization model still means that every tax payers is funding the clean up. Full legalization moves most of the costs to non problematic users.
There is no +EV drug policy. The best policies just cost the least.
The current model in US costs the most and does nothing to decrease use or increase the safety of drugs.
Illegal drugs are roughly the 3rd biggest commodity in global trade. Doesn't seem like a really good idea to let criminals control that.
You don't really have to legalize everything everything. Just enough that path of least resistance takes most users to legal options.
There are some really shitty research chemicals that exists solely as substitutes for amphetamine, MDMA and LSD.
There isn't a huge reason to ever legalize Fentanyl and it's even deadlier cousins. Heroin will do just fine or if there are safer synthetic opiates that still do the trick they work just as well.
Most Psilocybin are extremely safe. You like need a few legal benzos.
Commonly used drugs from the last 20 years are there because they are all relatively safe. For the user and everyone around them. Most people aren't looking for psychosis, heart attack or respiratory failure.
Who in the US can't get uppers today? Where cocaine isn't piss easy to get is just meth country and there's 25 million Adderall prescriptions around. That's not counting Ritalin/Concerta and Dexedrine/Vyvanse.
Mormons?
There is zero point zero chance that hard drug use would go down here if it were legalized. Why would it? That violates all common sense.
In the window of time between college and my heavy involvement with poker -- a period of about 10 years -- I couldn't easily get hard drugs. I didn't run in such a crowd, and neither did any of my friends. If I had my heart set upon snorting coke, I'm sure I could have made it happen eventually, but there was no way to get it done without a lot of effort. This is true for a large number of Americans. Unless you know someone who does the stuff (and is open about it), or unless you're part of a big community like poker where drug use is common, you're going to have to expend effort. It's a barrier to entry, and it actually keeps the usage down among those who are on the fence.
You legalize and regulate something, it's the government putting their stamp on it that it's considered okay. Look at the attitudes about pot compared to 20 years ago. It's far more accepted now, especially where it's already legalized. Once something is legal, it's seen as an option you can turn to if the mood strikes. It's like alcohol -- everyone knows the potential downsides, but if you want to drink tonight, you go down to the corner store and get some. Zero thought involved, and zero barrier to entry.
Keeping dealing criminalized and decriminalizing usage would solve a lot of this. It keeps the barrier to entry, while not making criminals out of people who develop a drug habit. Sounds fair to me.
the bolded part is complete and utter bullshit. look at countries that have legalized, all drug usage has gone down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
legalizing and regulating is not govt approval, I dont get where you are coming from with that. People do all kinds of shit that is legal, doesnt mean the govt approves. It just means they dont go to jail for bullshit
I think the last time we had this talk with Druff his response was that no other country could be compared to US. Portugal being smaller and whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeaterthe bolded part is complete and utter bullshit. look at countries that have legalized, all drug usage has gone down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
legalizing and regulating is not govt approval, I dont get where you are coming from with that. People do all kinds of shit that is legal, doesnt mean the govt approves. It just means they dont go to jail for bullshit
I can't remember why alcohol prohibition patterns in the US wouldn't be the same as drug prohibition, but i'm sure it was something stupid. During the time consumption wasn't illegal by federal law.
Where is the Hall monitor Cerveza Fria?
AOC hasn't been mention in like 10 posts.
You get you panties in a wad when I brought up MTG on this thread.
(Who went by Majorie Greene before) Where are you whiney posts now?
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I saw all the action on this thread and thought Druff decided to rescind his criticism of her dancing
and admit that Sean Spicer was 10x worse & 1000x more embarrassing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_YRBSt6Zdk
tell me more about how all you red blooded heterosexuals have such big problems with this woman:
https://i.imgur.com/EyxHFt1.jpeg
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Originally Posted by sonatine
I don’t have any problems with her, until she opens her mouth and says all of the Marxist and anti-Semitic stuff she says. But, visually this Latina is delicious.
Except she never does that, you get your news from liars, and to top it off, you couldn't explain Marxism in a million years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
Or being a conservative (its includes being pro military, and cops, the GQP is not that/ it includes Family Values -but you like Matt Gaetz drugging & f'ing girls a yr out of HS at the most./& Trump) or socialism. You know what Tucker Carlson wants you to know. IDK if you don't watch him or not, all RW is in his vacuum.
You idiots call her crazy, Why? Cuz she wants healthcare for all? Climate change? People not having to work 2-3 jobs to get by?
I just think of how well the RW propaganda machine works on thin skinned beta males where this lunatic just found out the Holocaust was bad. Jewish space laser. June 31st,
but she is less crazy? LOL, Fox "news" only focus' on the good ones. AOC has gone off on one Dem after another, but Fox can't cover that, then they can't keep calling her crazy.
This woman is as jealous of AOC as anyone whoever posted about San Francisco, is of the best city in the world.
Truthbomb from AOC coming in…
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Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyTruthbomb from AOC coming in…
She forgot to mention the 25k jobs she killed by telling Amazon not to open a facility in her district.
Not her district.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaQuote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyTruthbomb from AOC coming in…
She forgot to mention the 25k jobs she killed by telling Amazon not to open a facility in her district.
By the original proposal Amazon agreed to "create" cumulative 700 net new jobs in 2019, 2900 in 2020 and 5900 in 2021. The "new" jobs only excluded 4700 then current Amazon employees from New York State.
In 2019 New York had 8k Amazon jobs. 1500 was announced and apparently 1800 just found their way to Amazon roster without fanfare.
In 2020 New York has at least 10k Amazon jobs. 2k was announced. I don't care enough to find out what the real number is. All i know is that the number of net new jobs is already 5300.
For 2021 the hiring goal is either already filled or they need 600 new jobs.
So far it looks like AOC has saved NYC 100 million dollars from the hiring incentives alone.
Arlington site that had a similar deal to NY has about 3500 workers now and some might qualify as new jobs. NY has 5300 new jobs. One of those numbers is bigger.
AOC IS A SAND n-word AND GIMMICK IS IN LOVE WITH HER
Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Friday called the defeat of the Amazon deal “the greatest tragedy I have seen since I’ve been in politics”
-that aged well
okQuote:
Originally Posted by dwaisure I'll no longer say the n wordQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
that's not the only issue though, per sonatine and srslyfaggot they want any right wing opinions BANNED from PFA and we have to fight the fascism!
Once again, items you present as “facts” are false.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickNot her district.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
By the original proposal Amazon agreed to "create" cumulative 700 net new jobs in 2019, 2900 in 2020 and 5900 in 2021. The "new" jobs only excluded 4700 then current Amazon employees from New York State.
In 2019 New York had 8k Amazon jobs. 1500 was announced and apparently 1800 just found their way to Amazon roster without fanfare.
In 2020 New York has at least 10k Amazon jobs. 2k was announced. I don't care enough to find out what the real number is. All i know is that the number of net new jobs is already 5300.
For 2021 the hiring goal is either already filled or they need 600 new jobs.
So far it looks like AOC has saved NYC 100 million dollars from the hiring incentives alone.
Arlington site that had a similar deal to NY has about 3500 workers now and some might qualify as new jobs. NY has 5300 new jobs. One of those numbers is bigger.
Was Amazon HQ2 opening in her district?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaOnce again, items you present as “facts” are false.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
Did New York get 3.5k jobs that Amazon announced?
https://d39w7f4ix9f5s9.cloudfront.ne...-agreement.pdf
...page 19.
"The grant is intended to reimburse the Recipient for a portion of its investment in New York; therefore, Grant funds will be disbursed annually in arrears during the fifteen (15) year term listed below when the full investment milestone for each Project Year is achieved."
Project Year Net New Jobs Investment Disbursement
(Cumulative)
2019 700 $64,512,000 $33,400,000
2020 2,900 $202,752,000 $26,400,000
Casual 60 million dollars for 2900 jobs without accounting for other incentives.
Only thing that wasn't false in your original post was "She forgot to mention".
ps. either say something or stfu, this is just my after 2 years review of this story and it played out like i said in 2019
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Originally Posted by gimmickWas Amazon HQ2 opening in her district?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
Did New York get 3.5k jobs that Amazon announced?
https://d39w7f4ix9f5s9.cloudfront.ne...-agreement.pdf
...page 19.
"The grant is intended to reimburse the Recipient for a portion of its investment in New York; therefore, Grant funds will be disbursed annually in arrears during the fifteen (15) year term listed below when the full investment milestone for each Project Year is achieved."
Project Year Net New Jobs Investment Disbursement
(Cumulative)
2019 700 $64,512,000 $33,400,000
2020 2,900 $202,752,000 $26,400,000
Casual 60 million dollars for 2900 jobs without accounting for other incentives.
Only thing that wasn't false in your original post was "She forgot to mention".
ps. either say something or stfu, this is just my after 2 years review of this story and it played out like i said in 2019
First of all, her district includes Queens, so STFU.
Second of all, you can play around with semantics all day long, but even Cuomo acknowledged that she cost NY 25k in jobs. So, STFU. You lose once again.
that's all gimmick does is play semantics, he gets owned left and right trying to outsmart people but he always ends up looking stupid cause he has the worst takes on the internetQuote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
First of all, her district includes Queens, so STFU.
Second of all, you can play around with semantics all day long, but even Cuomo acknowledged that she cost NY 25k in jobs. So, STFU. You lose once again.
AOC is God because she tilts faggots like Dwai.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai