Funny, he owes me $6.5k. Never got an email. So Todd is that in the $12.2k total?
Funny, he owes me $6.5k. Never got an email. So Todd is that in the $12.2k total?
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Originally Posted by pikachar
Hey buddy. Long time know see. Hope you're well.
No that amount wasn't included in that figure and obviously it should since he scammed you out of $6500 in an attempt to (sorry lol) purchase VPR, even though he didn't have the authority or right to even sell it!
Shoot me a text. My number is still the same
ZoD
I thought it was known that $3k was stolen from pika and was included in the 12k. How did he get you for another $3.5k?
6k for vpr.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
500 for the bap.
He never cut the deal for the 3k with me.
How much did you think VPR was worth at the time? What percentage of the site was "sold" to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by pikachar6k for vpr.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
500 for the bap.
He never cut the deal for the 3k with me.
It's been a really long time but I knew none of this would ever go away. Let me start by saying I can't believe a word that Johnny says ever. He had a similar arrangement with Tim and made one payment and never sent another one. So please nobody hold your breathe for this money. Johnny has only proven that he is a disappointment and a very good liar. JaSep stated that he expects to make 32k for the year. Knock 20% off the top for Uncle Sam and he's left with almost 26k for the year. For him to pay $400 a month will equate to almost 20% of his income and it's never going to happen. As many times as JaSep tries to apologize I get even more angry for what he took from me and my friends. As many of you know I've been around poker for over 16 years but never was apart of a radio show before and it gave me pure joy. From the relationship I built with Brandon and a lot of the others in the community I truly looked forward to every show we did. But that's all gone and it's the reason why I haven't looked at a forum in over two years. I was approached by Pika to do radio with those guys, and I was truly grateful for the offer, but it just wasn't the same and still feel like JaSep took a piece of my life away I will never get back.
Sorry for the rambling but just thinking about this POS gets my blood boiling. Everyone involved in the marathon show did a great thing for very worthwhile charity. JoeU is one of my closest friends in the world, he and his family are my family. So anyone that thinks 22q isn't deserving of any of the money that actually comes in missed the total point of why we did the 60 straight hours of radio in the first place. We have all been wronged and I can't put a number on what he stole from me, my wife, my mother and two of my sisters who all donated to the charity show. I don't want any of the money and I can speak for my family and say they don't either. But getting to my point from earlier that no one should hold their breath on receiving money anyways. What my suggestion would be is that he has to write a check every week for the next ten years for $1, $5, $25 I don't care what the value is, to either Druff, someone else in the community or a charity so he can never forget what a scumbag he is and what he did to everyone in this community. And on the memo section it should say something like bc I stole this money or I'm sure someone can come up with something more clever. Anyway my point behind something like this is so he can never, ever forget what he did.
I hope all of you are well and hope to talk with as many of you as possible in the future.
-Kevin
I have to clarify something bc Lew seems to think I'm trying to let JaSep off the hook or that I am friends with him. I am not friends with this scumbag, not now, not ever again. My suggestion of the payment method wasnt to extend his time to pay off but imo the best way to get anything paid. He made a similar arrangement with Tim to pay off a large debt with him and sent one $500 check and never another dime. I'm just warning everyone not to hold their breath bc I think everyone is just going to be let down again. I hope he sends $400+ a month I just don't believe it will ever happen.
Lets talk about how much money was spendt on those 22q board trips to disneyland or where ever the fuck it was.
And then lets talk about why 22q didnt want to press charges against juan
For your second question, learn how to read. My explanation of what happened is in the post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantium
For your first question, my wife spent $6000 to work that conference. She was reimbursed nothing. None of the board members were reimbursed for the conference at all. Again, read my post above. Most people are volunteers. They were not reimbursed any money for the conference.
Joe
I think you are out of line here as these are lazy questions; without any evidence or research and just end up disparaging and confusing. The guy involved with the charity just explained himself a few posts ago. I do not recall reading any evidence (only lazy speculation) ever in this long saga causing any real questions about the foundation. What is clear is that a scammer diverted money for them. thats it. So they get their online name mucked with lazy questions about trips to Disney now? Or why they didn't pursue the scammer further?Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantium
Come on.
Misgivings toward the 22Q foundation should be moved to a separate thread.
Fat Juan paying his debts diligently should be the focus.
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Originally Posted by JoeUFor your second question, learn how to read. My explanation of what happened is in the post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantium
For your first question, my wife spent $6000 to work that conference. She was reimbursed nothing. None of the board members were reimbursed for the conference at all. Again, read my post above. Most people are volunteers. They were not reimbursed any money for the conference.
Joe
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Originally Posted by abrown83
These are two very legitimate questions here that I also am wondering about too.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfatherHow much did you think VPR was worth at the time? What percentage of the site was "sold" to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by pikachar
Juan has not returned to the thread in almost 2 days, which isn't a good sign. Surely he can't be so busy that he is unable to check in here after dropping such a bombshell on us.
I am afraid that perhaps the thread isn't going as well as he hoped, and is now abandoning ship and eating the $250 he sent me. I hope I'm wrong.
Regarding 22Q, I believe JoeU is a good guy, but the original foundation acted in a very shady manner.
Without going into accusations regarding their conferences and trips -- things we can only speculate -- they were amazingly ungrateful when it came to assisting us with the Jasep situation. I don't care what legal advice they were given.
The bottom line is that this community put on an unsolicited and highly generous fundraiser for them, they received several thousands of dollars as a result, and they wouldn't lift a finger to assist us with a criminal complaint against an individual who clearly stole some of the money. Their attitude seemed to be, "Well, we still got plenty of money, and even if some of the money you attempted to donate got stolen along the way, we don't feel like dealing with it. Thanks for the cash, now please leave us alone."
Classic case of biting the hand that feeds you.
I know that JoeU is NOT making the case that we should donate again to this particular foundation, but honestly this was a huge insult and slap in the face to our community, after all we did to raise money for them.
What is my point?
The focus here should be getting all of the donors repaid. The donors should NOT be pressured into donating to any particular charity. It should be up to the individual donor whether he wants to re-donate the money to another 22Q related foundation, donate to a different charity, or just keep the money that was returned to him. Any of these options are fine. This effort was to raise money for this particular 22Q foundation, and it turned out that the organizer from our community was a scammer, and the 22Q foundation itself was callous and ungrateful.
Simply put, if we had a "do over" on this -- if we could go back in time with the knowledge both that Juan would steal and that the 22Q foundation would be this ungrateful/uncooperative, we wouldn't have done any of this in the first place.
So that's what we should strive to do -- basically erase everything that happened and make whole those who were victims of fraud. What the victims choose to do at that point should be entirely up to them.
As I like to say on my weekly radio show (regarding money donated to our freerolls, and the freedom of the donors to specify terms of how it's used), "It's your money. I'm not going to tell you how you're supposed to spend it."
Let me put it a different way, which is simple and really easy to digest.
Say that Mike is flat broke and is about to be evicted from his apartment and have his car repossessed.
Mike posts on a message board, "Well, this sucks. Unless I can come up with $3000 by tomorrow, I'm going to be on the streets AND have no car."
Jimmy, who is financially stable, reads this, and feels bad for Mike. He makes an amazingly generous offer: "Mike, I am going to send the cash you need, free and clear. You don't have to pay me back. Good luck with turning your life around. I will send my good friend Bill over there, who will bring you the money."
Indeed, Bill shows up the next day and brings Mike the $3,000 which came from Jimmy. Mike pays his rent and his car payment, and the crisis is averted.
The next day, Jimmy makes a panicky call to Mike. "Hey Mike! Did you get $3,000 or $5,000? Because I sent Bill over with $5,000 for you, but I have a feeling he only gave you $3,000 of it, and made off with the rest!"
Mike confirms that he only got $3,000, meaning that Bill stole $2,000 of it.
Jimmy says, "Crap! Okay, I'm going to the police. I will need you to tell the police what happened when they call you, or otherwise this won't go anywhere. Can you do that?"
Mike surprisingly says, "Sorry, bro. Can't do it. I don't want to get involved. Thanks for the money and don't ever call me again."
So the 22Q Foundation was exactly Mike from this story, and that's pretty awful.
I can forgive the community here if they just want their money back and want nothing to do with any further charities suggested by people on the forum.
Saw 22q was a 501c3 which is usually filthy. Worst offense usually the salaries. They actually are one of the first clean looking 501c3's.
Didn't go all forensic - just looked at salaries.
Don't know what year this was but this link can be the start of some fishing if you like.
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocument...089f99e9-Z.pdf
Looks as if Juan pulled a Peter Dc and fired out the 250 to get the feelers going. Juan is smaller piece of shit version of that judge who took money from prisons to send kids to jail for dumb shit.
Whoever fucks with kids deserves to rot.
This is a poker/gambling community. The fact that there isn't a line set and wagers being made on how many months John Sepulveda pays back his scam money is troubling to me.
Where would said line fall? Many think he won't pay again. Would you take wagers on over under .5 payments? 1.5 payments? Higher odds on 3.5 timely payments?
I honestly feel like Sep will make an on time payment. I'd take over .5, not sure id take over 1.5; depends on the odds set
His original post set this up where he claims he won't be checking in regularly. If you have his info I'd contact him soon to advise him of the bi-monthly payback terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Have you looked to see if he potentially is viewing this thread not logged in?
I doubt he wants to be part of an ongoing debate on 22q or his name being run through mud.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPokerHis original post set this up where he claims he won't be checking in regularly. If you have his info I'd contact him soon to advise him of the bi-monthly payback terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Have you looked to see if he potentially is viewing this thread not logged in?
He has two things, really only #1 needs a response.
1. Is he doing the notarized letter thing? If so he has a week to get it in.
2. Payment #2. Currently would be $400 on May 13th (second Wednesday of the month).
Guys - Be honest with yourselves here.
This gimpy fat fuck stole so much more money than he can pretty much ever afford to repay.
At $12/hr from his job, a 400/mo repay just isn't realistic. If his choices are "feed my daughter/whatever" or "repay PFA" - I don't think anyone will have a hard time guessing which option he will choose.
I understand that getting rolled by this guy has been a very troubling experience for the PFA community but if shady Juan has any realistic chance of sustaining this repay.. 100 a paycheck is the absolute max he will ever legitimately part with imo.
Without a realistic payment plan, this guy just isn't going to follow through.
Very touching response. I didn't know whether to cry or cum in my pants. Especially enjoyed the dead dad zing. Didn't really expect that from you given your history killing people (allegedly) but I guess it comes with the territory. When I wrote pop your cherry I was referring to letting him scam you so easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrexelQuote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
I'm not sure what you mean by allowing Jasep to pop my cherry. I assume you are referring to me hosting a podcast with him.
I like you Pooh. You make me laugh a lot, although I would never let you anywhere near my father. I am surprised by your post only in the sense that I believe you know the answer.
After the falling out with The Bitcoin minister of Antigua, I was off the radio and forums for a while. Jasep approached me with a concept that I thought I would enjoy. Doing a podcast (as well as having a forum, although I knew that would never take off and I didn't care much about it) that was different than anything I had done before. I was burnt out of the usual poker talk. Poker news, results, poker gossip, fraud etc. Druff does this show very very well and no disrespect to him, I was just tired and didn't care anymore about the poker industry.
Our podcast was about gambling in general, the las vegas lifestyle, girls, talking with my other co-hosts about our lives, making fun of each other etc. I enjoyed that and actually miss the concept. I miss working with Kevin very much. We had amazing banter together. If I ever did another podcast full time and could find hosts with the right chemistry, that would be the platform I would choose to use.
Jasep fooled me. But he fooled me in a way anyone you barely know from the internet can. He had long time friends that were in the poker industry. He was open to me about personal problems in the past. I didn't see any warning signs.
I've realized after 10+ years on these forums that you really cant truly trust anyone. I could do a podcast and start a small business endeavor with srslysirius (obv an example) and things could go sour. Even after meeting him twice, having a meal with him, reading his posts, exchanging pm's etc, do I really know 100% I could trust him and there would never be a situation or something in his personality that would make our partnership end bad or make me feel stupid for trusting him? No.
I took a chance and it was a huge mistake on my part. If I had found Kevin and we had started a podcast together, we would probably still be doing it and Jasep never would have risen to the level of notoriety and leached off my reputation, as he did.
I feel guilty for providing Jasep credibilty that he used to perform his cons on others. That's why I mostly stayed away for so long
I hope this makes sense to you Pooh and to others.
Also, to settle the debate, yes Sonatine was leery of Jasep from the start. Way way way back on Donkdown, when Juan came out of nowhere and tried to be the most popular kid in school almost instantly.
Looking back, it was like watching 21 jump street back in the 80's. Johnny Depp would be enrolled in some highschool mid year to try to bust some marijuana ring and within 2 days he was he most popular kid in the school. All the girls wanted to fuck him, the cool kids wanted to party with him and they all acted like they had known him for years.
ZoD
All that said, it is nice to see you posting on here again regardless of the situation.
Here's my advice. Get over it. It's been over two years since this crap went down. The charity got paid by Mason and they turned out to be ungrateful SOB's. Personally I'm more upset with how the charity handled this whole thing than what Jasep has done. Seriously nobody can be totally surprised anyone from this community did this scammy thing. A lot of people here have different addictions and nobody should really be 100% trusted. What the charity did, however, is unforgivable. I'm not blaming Joe. I'm not blaming his wife. I'm blaming whoever made the decision to tell us to pound sand. That person should be dealt with like only some of you can.
You still seem to feel like you are somehow responsible for what went down. Open your fucking wallet then and reimburse everyone. I'd be pretty certain not a single person would accept your money because you are full of shit. Nobody blames you dude. You did everything right. There's only one asshole here and he ain't paying.
Regarding Juan Sepulveda. Why in the fuck is anyone even giving him an option to pay? He isn't paying and everyone already forgot about it. Bury his ass. Ruin him. His relationship. His job. Anything the douchebag has left that he cares about. Finish this cocksucker for even coming here giving anyone hope to be paid. He's laughing at PFA. It's time PFA laughs back.
Juan deciding to nap already is interesting, considering he already coughed up $250 to buy some time.
Genuine LOL at the thought of this morbidly obese scumbag cowering in some corner, bundled up in some XXXL hoodie, knowing that he cannot make bi-monthly $200 payments and trying to come up with some sugarcoated story for his girlfriend in an attempt to salvage his current life.
Maybe she'll buy it, Juan. But what happens when we drop the hammer?
The only play is to face your shit head on like a man. Put down the Baconators, get some job stocking shelves at night and start earning. Sell your car. Pretend to be illegal and do some landscaping (added bonus of shedding some of that weight).
You're what, in your 30's? Jesus. How are you able to live with yourself?
Best post ever! Pretty much everything I've thought. It's been 2.5 years. All of this tough talking bullshit is just that. Either do something or stfu. Offering him a chance to pay 15-20% of his income for the next 3 years is a lol fail. It's simply not happening. Sometimes people steal more than they can pay back. It happens. They go to jail and that's it. The charity didn't allow that to happen. We all simply need to get over it. Or ruin him if it makes you feel better. This fucking dance is a joke though.Quote:
Originally Posted by PoohVery touching response. I didn't know whether to cry or cum in my pants. Especially enjoyed the dead dad zing. Didn't really expect that from you given your history killing people (allegedly) but I guess it comes with the territory. When I wrote pop your cherry I was referring to letting him scam you so easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drexel
All that said, it is nice to see you posting on here again regardless of the situation.
Here's my advice. Get over it. It's been over two years since this crap went down. The charity got paid by Mason and they turned out to be ungrateful SOB's. Personally I'm more upset with how the charity handled this whole thing than what Jasep has done. Seriously nobody can be totally surprised anyone from this community did this scammy thing. A lot of people here have different addictions and nobody should really be 100% trusted. What the charity did, however, is unforgivable. I'm not blaming Joe. I'm not blaming his wife. I'm blaming whoever made the decision to tell us to pound sand. That person should be dealt with like only some of you can.
You still seem to feel like you are somehow responsible for what went down. Open your fucking wallet then and reimburse everyone. I'd be pretty certain not a single person would accept your money because you are full of shit. Nobody blames you dude. You did everything right. There's only one asshole here and he ain't paying.
Regarding Juan Sepulveda. Why in the fuck is anyone even giving him an option to pay? He isn't paying and everyone already forgot about it. Bury his ass. Ruin him. His relationship. His job. Anything the douchebag has left that he cares about. Finish this cocksucker for even coming here giving anyone hope to be paid. He's laughing at PFA. It's time PFA laughs back.
I already voted weeks ago to just bury him without warning.
Absolutely nobody cares about or expects the money. This is pretty obvious when everybody is saying they'll donate it to a freeroll or go to the back of the line & let others get paid(lol) first so why are we even debating anything about the money?
He's so stupid, or maybe he's just scammed so many people that he seriously can't keep them all straight in his own mind, he felt the need to re-hash his "apology" & "crippling gambling addiction" story to the community. After all, it went over so well the first time.
I can almost guarantee he's still scamming people today, most likely with his woman's help or at least knowledge, & I think we owe it to potential victims, & for a good laugh for ourselves, to expose him & bury him. The only way any substantial amount of money is coming to pay guys like pika & others owed large sums is to make his life such a living hell his parents lend him the money which isn't gonna happen because they already know he's a scumbag.
Fuck him.
I kinda agree with Pooh here. As someone who lost 5 figures to a scamming poker room I spent way more than enough time building hatred and worrying. The problem was there kept being hints that the money was recoverable and it went on for years. I eventually got back about 20% of my money but by that time I had moved on and was a better person for it. If you want to destroy Jasep that is your choice and I would not look down on people for doing it as he;s put himself in that situation. That said don't let your hatred and stress eat you apart. Sadly Jasep popping back up has likely made this worse for a lot of you who had moved on.
Do as you see fit, I guess.
personally its not in my nature. however i do enjoy it when bad things happen to bad people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
Make that 3 of us. Also when we co-created LLPR almost 3 years ago, why did you never tell me that you owned a percentage of VPR?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPokerThese are two very legitimate questions here that I also am wondering about too.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
Me and Drexel found out he owned a piece as the rolling unfolded if I remember correctly. Not sure if Sep sold a portion of his 30 % or whatever or if he sold him a piece of the entire site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootsy CollinsMake that 3 of us. Also when we co-created LLPR almost 3 years ago, why did you never tell me that you owned a percentage of VPR?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I don't find it weird that he bought a piece but found it odd that PIKA never brought this up to me and Brandon or whatever. Maybe Sep told him to keep it silent??
EDIT- I know Pika told me before or maybe posted it public but I don't have the best memory on this shit.
This is a pm I sent about this subjectQuote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniacMe and Drexel found out he owned a piece as the rolling unfolded if I remember correctly. Not sure if Sep sold a portion of his 30 % or whatever or if he sold him a piece of the entire site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootsy Collins
I don't find it weird that he bought a piece but found it odd that PIKA never brought this up to me and Brandon or whatever. Maybe Sep told him to keep it silent??
I re read this post on DD from last year, and I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Is it just me but paying 6k for 20% of a seemingly worthless website just dosent make sence to me. I am probably wrong and don't want to start a wich hunt, do you think that pica and sep maby were spotting each other here
6k down the toilet is just so sic.
I have no idea of the timing. The LLPR site was brought up in July 2012. If he bought a percentage after July that makes sense. Before July, it would make zero sense since the original idea was to be broadcast on VPR.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniacMe and Drexel found out he owned a piece as the rolling unfolded if I remember correctly. Not sure if Sep sold a portion of his 30 % or whatever or if he sold him a piece of the entire site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootsy Collins
I don't find it weird that he bought a piece but found it odd that PIKA never brought this up to me and Brandon or whatever. Maybe Sep told him to keep it silent??
Funny bit of trivia. The original plan of the LLPR podcast did not have Pika as my co-host. My co-host was supposed to be none other than
The Templar
:lol3
Jasep probably sold him on the idea it was blowing up soon or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Von StruckerThis is a pm I sent about this subjectQuote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
I re read this post on DD from last year, and I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Is it just me but paying 6k for 20% of a seemingly worthless website just dosent make sence to me. I am probably wrong and don't want to start a wich hunt, do you think that pica and sep maby were spotting each other here
6k down the toilet is just so sic.
Like the time you told everyone 1marley1 was my dupe and that I multi-accounted Drexel's 1k freeroll?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Von StruckerThis is a pm I sent about this subjectQuote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
I re read this post on DD from last year, and I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Is it just me but paying 6k for 20% of a seemingly worthless website just dosent make sence to me. I am probably wrong and don't want to start a wich hunt, do you think that pica and sep maby were spotting each other here
6k down the toilet is just so sic.
pika on the purchase: http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...l=1#post124996
6k is very excessive. $600 is a figure that I would understand but 6k?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Von StruckerThis is a pm I sent about this subjectQuote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
I re read this post on DD from last year, and I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Is it just me but paying 6k for 20% of a seemingly worthless website just dosent make sence to me. I am probably wrong and don't want to start a wich hunt, do you think that pica and sep maby were spotting each other here
6k down the toilet is just so sic.
I'm seriously hoping that Pika did not in anyway assist Jasep. I'm hoping that it was just a case of Pika being naive. Pika knows very well that I am in the technology business and would have highly advised investing a high amount such as 6K to purchase a percentage or even 100% of VPR.
Unless he was being fed a crock of shit on the site generating revenue which it wasn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Bootsy Collins6k is very excessive. $600 is a figure that I would understand but 6k?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Von Strucker
I'm seriously hoping that Pika did not in anyway assist Jasep. I'm hoping that it was just a case of Pika being naive. Pika knows very well that I am in the technology business and would have highly advised investing a high amount such as 6K to purchase a percentage or even 100% of VPR.