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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Lol @ all the manny nuthuggers thinking he had a prayer if he ever fought mayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
I'm not big on triangle theories, so I won't say that Pacquiao had no chance against Mayweather, based on how much trouble he had with Marquez. My reasoning is the same as it's always been. Pacquiao does a lot of things that makes him vulnerable to a world class counter puncher. He has always taken flush right hands, and uppercuts square in the face. Always. It didn't just start last night. All that bouncing around he does, that makes him awkward, it also makes him vulnerable to timing. Leaping in, hands down, chin up. He went Ricky Hatton in there last night. Goodnight, sweet prince.....err...congressman.
Hell, Pacquiao said it himself after the third fight. "What makes Marquez so tough for you". "Aaahhhhhh, he is counter puncher". Who else "is counter puncher" ? Fucking Mayweather.
Saddest part of it all, is some Floyd fans acting like this is some sort of victory for Mayweather. If anything, that was Mayweather's KO to have, 3 years ago. He should be kicking himself in the fucking ass for not jumping at the opportunity to make history his damn self.
Anyway, great fight. And I'm really happy for Marquez. Always been a huge fan of his (the initials are just a coincidence. I'm not a Marquez fanboy).
If this was true the fight would have already happened. Now that Mannys clearly fading I think Money will now fight him and probably beat him. Theres no denying Floyd was afraid to fight Manny for a long time. Not because he knew he would lose, but because he thought he could lose and ruin that perfect record he wants to retire with. Flyod wont fight anyone that has a chance to beat him, and you really cant blame him.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniacLol @ all the manny nuthuggers thinking he had a prayer if he ever fought mayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
As soon as they saw Marquez Pacs camp said he was juiced, but they went ahead with the fight so they have to take it and not complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
They've been saying he was juiced since the third fight. They wanted Marquez tested, but didn't offer to have Pacquiao tested as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJAs soon as they saw Marquez Pacs camp said he was juiced, but they went ahead with the fight so they have to take it and not complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
Energy Juice shit they put in water in the Philippines. Not bad
All boxing needs is coverage by regular television (no pay per view )
Obv not going to happen
Thank-you
http://youtu.be/azzhD2QJ8B0Quote:
Originally Posted by HEX
http://youtu.be/DHSxW1V1itk
Pacquiao looked the best id seen him in a long time until the end. He was clearly ahead and made an unbalieveable comback after beeing knocked down. Really bumed out, he got careless and got caught and it changed everything.Just a small dent in his legacy, unbalievable legendary career for Pacquiao, if its all over i feel truly blessed i was able to watch him these past years. I think Pacquiao will fight again, because of $ obviously, but i dont know if he will be able to fully recover from what happened. Pwills career was ruined on one punch and so many others too, its very hard to get back on top after something like that happens. What a fuckin fight though, FOY easy, by two living legends. Marquez was probly juiced as fuck maybe manny too but wel never know either way for sure, so it is what it is. And we all know now that Floyd has been juicing due to leaked documents so fuck him, i hope he gets destroyed next fight.
well said, having met floyd and spent alot of time trying to know what makes him tick, that is exactly why the fight ultimatly never happened. The chances of the fight happening are now better than ever imo. If Pacquiao comes back ovcourse. I still think Pacquiao Marquez 5 is still more likely than pac may though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJIf this was true the fight would have already happened. Now that Mannys clearly fading I think Money will now fight him and probably beat him. Theres no denying Floyd was afraid to fight Manny for a long time. Not because he knew he would lose, but because he thought he could lose and ruin that perfect record he wants to retire with. Flyod wont fight anyone that has a chance to beat him, and you really cant blame him.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
Pacquiao is definitely going to fight again. He said so right after the fight. Roach is already talking Marquez/Pacquiao 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by drufdajewgod
Juiced or not, that punch knocks Pacquiao (or anyone else) out 10 times out of 10. You can't just walk in with your hands down against one of the best counter punchers of all time. The result is, you end up face down.
Hell of a fight. It will probably get fight of the year, just because of who was involved in it. Most of the time it seems like they give FOTY to one that went the distance, though. Definitely knockout of the year. That's for damn sure.
I don't agree that Pwill's career was ruined by a punch. Paralysis ruined his career. Not Sergio. He fought Lara to a draw. And even though I feel like he lost that fight, not looking good against Erislandy Lara is nothing to be ashamed of. He then went 120-108 against Ishida. It was WAY too soon to say he was ruined.
As far as "Mayweather will fight him now". That's just silly. You think Mayweather is going to fight ANYONE, including Pacquiao, coming off of a devastating knockout loss? Come on, man.
Mayweather was better than Pacquiao 5 years ago. He's better than Pacquiao today. He will always be better than Pacquiao. He's just too fucking childish, too arrogant, and is incapable of negotiations with Bob Arum (not entirely his fault). But let's not act like there wasn't 1000 different excuses from team Pacquiao.
Ah well, it's put to rest now.
So this means that for sure Floyd will get two easy wins this year, first against Robert Guerrero and then against Canelo Alvarez. No point in fighting Marquez again after he dominated him, especially now that he's fairly obviously cheating and is therefore a bigger risk than in the past.
Is Marquez tied down with Top Rank? I'm not sure what his contract is, but if he's with Top Rank, there probably won't be a Mayweather 2 fight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEX
I agree, it's Guerrero and Alvarez. I don't mind the Guererro fight. At this point, there's really not anyone else. I'd like to see Canelo in there with someone like Trout. Let's see what the kid's got . But I don't see them risking a potential fight with Mayweather, to fight Trout (a fight he may lose).
I believe that any fight outside of Martinez (not happening), is going to be an easy win for Mayweather.
I like Guerrero and agree that he has earned the shot. I even think he might give Floyd a bit more trouble than expected, but it's nearly impossible for me to envision him winning. I also completely agree that Canelo should fight Trout, but there is zero chance that he will. They could never risk losing the Mayweather payday, plus Canelo's people know Trout would have a great chance to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMMIs Marquez tied down with Top Rank? I'm not sure what his contract is, but if he's with Top Rank, there probably won't be a Mayweather 2 fight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEX
I agree, it's Guerrero and Alvarez. I don't mind the Guererro fight. At this point, there's really not anyone else. I'd like to see Canelo in there with someone like Trout. Let's see what the kid's got . But I don't see them risking a potential fight with Mayweather, to fight Trout (a fight he may lose).
I believe that any fight outside of Martinez (not happening), is going to be an easy win for Mayweather.
Some great pics from the fight...
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Romney style...
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Watch the firsat knockdown in slow mo, Manny literally went cross eyed...
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Broken nose...
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JMM going down...
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Pacquio's legs are a lot bigger than Marquez's. Not surprising he is heavier, even with all the upper body bulk Marquez put on for this fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJ
one of our programmer's friends father bet 5K on Pac going down in the 6th round. With One second left, they were all watching the fight at the friends house, and they all jumped out of their seats and completely lost their shit. The father won around 70K.
I streamed the fight on a crappy internet feed (I actually missed the KO live cause it was in the middle of a stall) but from what I saw it seemed despite the fact he was "winning" the fight Pacquio was very wide open and reckless.
(In hindsight) I kinda feel that short of Pacquio getting a KO or changing his gameplan, that punch was just waiting to happen, and was probably gonna happen sooner or later, but I am a complete novice when it comes to boxing so I don't hold too much stock in my own opinion.
One of the commentators (I think I was watching a British feed) said that Marquez was dead on his feet and it was a miracle punch, but I didn't necessarily agree with that.
For those who saw the whole fight, who's chances would you have liked going forward assuming that punch didn't happen?
OhQuote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJIf this was true the fight would have already happened. Now that Mannys clearly fading I think Money will now fight him and probably beat him. Theres no denying Floyd was afraid to fight Manny for a long time. Not because he knew he would lose, but because he thought he could lose and ruin that perfect record he wants to retire with. Flyod wont fight anyone that has a chance to beat him, and you really cant blame him.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
my
GOD
You do not coach like high school athletics or anything do you? If you do, I need to know, and your knees need breaking in multiple places.
Where did your manhood go is what I'd like to know. Did your wife snatch it up years ago and pawn it off to some dirtbag she met on craigslist for some shitty cocaine? Or maybe it was the minivan you bought at 40, having been suckered in with all the headphone jacks in the back to keep the kids silent while you listen to your wife jammer on and on about which of her friends she most admires and how much makeup some bitch at the office wears...
I am leaning heavily toward the minivan. The fuck were you thinking actually being "that guy" and buying a damned minivan in the first place?
Don't answer that. And please do not attempt to be any sort of role model for younger generations because you are a disgrace to MEN.
Mike, you can't even afford the 25 cents it takes to fill up your bicycle tire at the local gas station, let alone a mini van.
STFU. You look like a complete imbecile going off on someone like that, especially when we all know you are the biggest life loser on these boards ATM.
Juicing pays, y'all. That's the message.
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEX
As JMM said, that punch knocks Manny out 10/10 times, but there was an obvious difference in power with JMM from previous fights, and that first over hand right that knocked down Pac was a clear indication of that. This is why I said earlier that I felt he was going to knock Pac out. Just watching the 24/7 episodes you could see that he was punching with a lot more power than before.
Whole thing is such horseshit, and it's so funny how obvious it is yet there are still so many people that deny that the beloved JMM would ever do such a thing.
Out of the thousands of extremely experienced SAC coaches out there, JMM hires a guy that in the not so distant past turned on all of his associates to save his own ass in the BALCO scandal... Truly a man of great integrity there, yet now he is this supposed changed guy who just happens to have the secrets to the fountain of youth with clean workouts and conditioning. LOL!!! Get the fuck out of here.
I love how the HBO crew alluded to it, but danced around the subject in their questioning. Merchant: "Do you feel your "new found" muscles had anything to do with your victory here tonight?" JMM: "No."
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!
JMM cycled, it worked, and now he is the hero of Mexico, and the naive belief by many that he fought clean will prevail.
I just wish they would allow PED's in sports. It would solve all these issues, and at the very least make sports even that much more interesting to watch.
Remember how exciting it was to watch McGuire and Sosa go at it, and then Bonds? Thank you steroids.
Pacquiao was in control of the fight. He had Marquez pretty busted up, and knocked him down (5th round, I believe). But as with most Marquez fights, aside form being a slow starter, he's not good and awake until he's been knocked down.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
Pacquiao definitely did get a little too careless, but it's not an overconfidence thing. It's a Pacquiao thing. He gets careless. It's just that usually, his speed allows him to be able to do so, while staying out of harms way. You could tell Marquez had been trying to set that shot up. I figured he would start to land it, but in no way did I feel like he would EVER throw one shot that put Pacquiao to sleep.
People just turning a blind eye to it like they do/did is pathetic, I agree. I will never be in favor of legalizing PED's, however, even if ultimately it's the only thing that makes sense. It will always be cheating to me, and I will always hate it. Fuck Marquez - he's a scumbag. But so is probly Pacquiao and Mayweather and probly nearly everyone else. It's a shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEX
As JMM said, that punch knocks Manny out 10/10 times, but there was an obvious difference in power with JMM from previous fights, and that first over hand right that knocked down Pac was a clear indication of that. This is why I said earlier that I felt he was going to knock Pac out. Just watching the 24/7 episodes you could see that he was punching with a lot more power than before.
Whole thing is such horseshit, and it's so funny how obvious it is yet there are still so many people that deny that the beloved JMM would ever do such a thing.
Out of the thousands of extremely experienced SAC coaches out there, JMM hires a guy that in the not so distant past turned on all of his associates to save his own ass in the BALCO scandal... Truly a man of great integrity there, yet now he is this supposed changed guy who just happens to have the secrets to the fountain of youth with clean workouts and conditioning. LOL!!! Get the fuck out of here.
I love how the HBO crew alluded to it, but danced around the subject in their questioning. Merchant: "Do you feel your "new found" muscles had anything to do with your victory here tonight?" JMM: "No."
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!
JMM cycled, it worked, and now he is the hero of Mexico, and the naive belief by many that he fought clean will prevail.
I just wish they would allow PED's in sports. It would solve all these issues, and at the very least make sports even that much more interesting to watch.
Remember how exciting it was to watch McGuire and Sosa go at it, and then Bonds? Thank you steroids.
You have to be on drugs. Im not 40 but my wife has a mini van because we have kids and money to buy one which is 2 things you dont have. Both of our cars are paid off which is something youll never experience because you suck at life. Your a failure and you blame your mommy for all your problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by 408MikeOhQuote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJ
my
GOD
You do not coach like high school athletics or anything do you? If you do, I need to know, and your knees need breaking in multiple places.
Where did your manhood go is what I'd like to know. Did your wife snatch it up years ago and pawn it off to some dirtbag she met on craigslist for some shitty cocaine? Or maybe it was the minivan you bought at 40, having been suckered in with all the headphone jacks in the back to keep the kids silent while you listen to your wife jammer on and on about which of her friends she most admires and how much makeup some bitch at the office wears...
I am leaning heavily toward the minivan. The fuck were you thinking actually being "that guy" and buying a damned minivan in the first place?
Don't answer that. And please do not attempt to be any sort of role model for younger generations because you are a disgrace to MEN.
Pretty much dead on. If he put the muscle on cleanly he would have gladly proclaimed that was the difference. The truth in all this is Manny is past the point of living and breathing boxing he even started his camp without Roach which means he did squat. Its like Michael Phelps eventually you have to do other shit and manny's not young enough to not be a full time fighter and beat the best fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEX
As JMM said, that punch knocks Manny out 10/10 times, but there was an obvious difference in power with JMM from previous fights, and that first over hand right that knocked down Pac was a clear indication of that. This is why I said earlier that I felt he was going to knock Pac out. Just watching the 24/7 episodes you could see that he was punching with a lot more power than before.
Whole thing is such horseshit, and it's so funny how obvious it is yet there are still so many people that deny that the beloved JMM would ever do such a thing.
Out of the thousands of extremely experienced SAC coaches out there, JMM hires a guy that in the not so distant past turned on all of his associates to save his own ass in the BALCO scandal... Truly a man of great integrity there, yet now he is this supposed changed guy who just happens to have the secrets to the fountain of youth with clean workouts and conditioning. LOL!!! Get the fuck out of here.
I love how the HBO crew alluded to it, but danced around the subject in their questioning. Merchant: "Do you feel your "new found" muscles had anything to do with your victory here tonight?" JMM: "No."
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!
JMM cycled, it worked, and now he is the hero of Mexico, and the naive belief by many that he fought clean will prevail.
I just wish they would allow PED's in sports. It would solve all these issues, and at the very least make sports even that much more interesting to watch.
Remember how exciting it was to watch McGuire and Sosa go at it, and then Bonds? Thank you steroids.
That's pretty much what Mayweather said about Pacquiao. He has too much other shit going on, and doesn't concentrate on boxing like he should.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJPretty much dead on. If he put the muscle on cleanly he would have gladly proclaimed that was the difference. The truth in all this is Manny is past the point of living and breathing boxing he even started his camp without Roach which means he did squat. Its like Michael Phelps eventually you have to do other shit and manny's not young enough to not be a full time fighter and beat the best fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
Pacquiao said that Marquez's punches didn't feel any stronger, he just didn't see the shot coming, and walked into it.
Marquez is probably on some shit. But Manny is probably on some shit, too. And when your whole stance has been "Let the commission do it's job", you can't really start complaining that someone else is on something.
I think I told you this the other night, but just in case, it does make a lot of sense to think that maybe once the Mayweather's called Pac out for being on "some shit" he decided to fight clean. Since that time he obviously hasn't been the same fighter. The thing that always amazed me about Pac was his endurance level and being able to keep up that insane pace thru rounds 1 to 12. Since he was called out it seems he started having a lot more issues with cramping up, which would be solved with the use of EPO. I never really felt he was doing roids, but EPO was definitely a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMMThat's pretty much what Mayweather said about Pacquiao. He has too much other shit going on, and doesn't concentrate on boxing like he should.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJ
Pacquiao said that Marquez's punches didn't feel any stronger, he just didn't see the shot coming, and walked into it.
Marquez is probably on some shit. But Manny is probably on some shit, too. And when your whole stance has been "Let the commission do it's job", you can't really start complaining that someone else is on something.
He finally looked like he was back to that kind of fighter again, so who knows, maybe he was cheating somehow too. All the steroids and EPO in the world wouldn't have stopped him from making that horrible mistake and walking into that right hand. Just an unfortunate mistake, especially considering he was starting to dominate and probably would have knocked out JMM within another 3 rounds.
What a gift that was to have that brain fart at that moment. I've been watching Pac for so long now, and while I can remember him being careless quite often, I can't recall him ever making that kind of rookie mistake, at least not since he's been with Roach. It just goes to show, his mind isn't totally on boxing, and at that level it needs to be.
Either way, there is no doubt in my mind that JMM juiced up for this fight.
If you think about it for a minute, this quote right here is proof that Marquez is juicing. If he had gotten so ripped naturally, he would have said "Of course, my new training regimen made me stronger and a harder puncher." The only reason he would say that his bigger muscles didn't help is if he got them by cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEX
As JMM said, that punch knocks Manny out 10/10 times, but there was an obvious difference in power with JMM from previous fights, and that first over hand right that knocked down Pac was a clear indication of that. This is why I said earlier that I felt he was going to knock Pac out. Just watching the 24/7 episodes you could see that he was punching with a lot more power than before.
Whole thing is such horseshit, and it's so funny how obvious it is yet there are still so many people that deny that the beloved JMM would ever do such a thing.
Out of the thousands of extremely experienced SAC coaches out there, JMM hires a guy that in the not so distant past turned on all of his associates to save his own ass in the BALCO scandal... Truly a man of great integrity there, yet now he is this supposed changed guy who just happens to have the secrets to the fountain of youth with clean workouts and conditioning. LOL!!! Get the fuck out of here.
I love how the HBO crew alluded to it, but danced around the subject in their questioning. Merchant: "Do you feel your "new found" muscles had anything to do with your victory here tonight?" JMM: "No."
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!
JMM cycled, it worked, and now he is the hero of Mexico, and the naive belief by many that he fought clean will prevail.
I just wish they would allow PED's in sports. It would solve all these issues, and at the very least make sports even that much more interesting to watch.
Remember how exciting it was to watch McGuire and Sosa go at it, and then Bonds? Thank you steroids.
Yeah thats what I said. It really makes no sense to put on extra muscle if its not going to help you. He should have said I dont know I'd like to think all my hard work paid off I came in the best shape of my life. Saying no says it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEXIf you think about it for a minute, this quote right here is proof that Marquez is juicing. If he had gotten so ripped naturally, he would have said "Of course, my new training regimen made me stronger and a harder puncher." The only reason he would say that his bigger muscles didn't help is if he got them by cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
That's actually their reaction to first seeing the Ring Card Girl before the start of Round 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
Oh yeah, you did already say that. You were exactly correct!Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJYeah thats what I said. It really makes no sense to put on extra muscle if its not going to help you. He should have said I dont know I'd like to think all my hard work paid off I came in the best shape of my life. Saying no says it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEX
Conte on Rogans podcast made it seem like you're better off coming into a match not on the roids because it slows you down so much
Depends on what you do. If he's doing something like Test with Trenbolone, he could actually speed up. Aside from that, these guys are probably cycling early on in their training, they can get off the roids a month before the fight and still have significant gains at fight time. They are only testing these guys right before or after the fight, if at all, and that shit is long out of their system by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
It made me sick seeing the reports on ESPN yesterday about how Marquez is saying he isn't worried about the test they took after the fight, and saying he is a clean fighter and he will test clean... Yeah, no shit. That test literally means nothing in reality. Problem is the large majority of people don't know dick about how PED's work, and they eat that shit up.
"OH SEE AMIGO, HE TESTED CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN!!!!!"
Basically every Pacquiao fan that is screaming that Marquez is dirty, are the same ones saying that Pacquiao is clean because "He tested clean".Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369Depends on what you do. If he's doing something like Test with Trenbolone, he could actually speed up. Aside from that, these guys are probably cycling early on in their training, they can get off the roids a month before the fight and still have significant gains at fight time. They are only testing these guys right before or after the fight, if at all, and that shit is long out of their system by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
It made me sick seeing the reports on ESPN yesterday about how Marquez is saying he isn't worried about the test they took after the fight, and saying he is a clean fighter and he will test clean... Yeah, no shit. That test literally means nothing in reality. Problem is the large majority of people don't know dick about how PED's work, and they eat that shit up.
"OH SEE AMIGO, HE TESTED CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN!!!!!"
I agree that they are probably both dirty as fuck, but the double standard by a lot of people is just comical.