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High School drop outs don’t have to wake up in the morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I read she was 45….man I’m still working on news from right after the shoots.
Oh well who gives a shit.
Kid is guilty….possibly of reckless endangerment or something…but not murder.
Naive and dumb for sure
Maybe she is 45. I'm seeing the libs say 38, but maybe that's just to be nasty and make her look worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texter
Libs don't feel the need to treat women or black people with respect if they're conservative.
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Originally Posted by Texter
they already dismissed that charge moron
try again, he's NOT GUILTY
if he's convicted it will be because the JURY WAS TAMPERED WITH AND INTIMIDATED, and there will be an appeal and he will WALK.
KYLE IS ONLY GUILTY OF PROTECTING HIMSELF AND HIS COMMUNITY and is AN AMERICAN HERO.
the only thing that would've been better than killing a child rapist and grandma and wife beater and injuring a serial dui driver and wife beater and scam artist(trying to sue Kenosha) for ten million dollars while not telling the true story is if they all happened to be BLACK
They only dropped the weapons charge, he is still charged with reckless endangerment, counts 2 and 3Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai:lol2Quote:
Originally Posted by Texter
they already dismissed that charge moron
try again, he's NOT GUILTY
if he's convicted it will be because the JURY WAS TAMPERED WITH AND INTIMIDATED, and there will be an appeal and he will WALK.
KYLE IS ONLY GUILTY OF PROTECTING HIMSELF AND HIS COMMUNITY and is AN AMERICAN HERO.
the only thing that would've been better than killing a child rapist and grandma and wife beater and injuring a serial dui driver and wife beater and scam artist(trying to sue Kenosha) for ten million dollars while not telling the true story is if they all happened to be BLACK
ur mom is fagQuote:
Originally Posted by TexterThey only dropped the weapons charge, he is still charged with reckless endangerment, counts 2 and 3Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
I MEANT TO SAY IT WOULD BE BETTER IF KYLE HAD BEEN BLACK.
watching the media try to spin that would've been hilarious
You misspelled dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaiur mom is fagQuote:
Originally Posted by Texter
Nobody’s right when everybody’s wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
When is the right going to rally behind Ahmaud Arbery's killers?
Glad you asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
Notice the the Arbery case is getting relatively little attention compared to Rittenhouse. Yet there's actually somewhat of a case to be made that Arbery's killing did have a racial element to it, whereas with Rittenhouse that's not true at all.
The reason they're focusing so hard on Rittenhouse is because that one requires more effort to sell the "America so racist" narrative. If there's broad agreement that a killing was wrong and perhaps even had a racial element to it, the left/media has nowhere to go. Everyone condemns it, and the discussion is pretty much over.
So they've gotta keep hammering home bullshit about Rittenhouse the racist white supremacist (who somehow only shot other white people), or otherwise the case looks foolish and the left/media looks foolish for portraying him that way all this time.
The long deliberation is for sure getting the defense very uneasy. I think it’s very likely we may be looking at a hung jury and even the jury finding guilt on the Skateboard guy’s death. Even with all this video there is so many ways go one way or another on the self defense. One person can argue that Rittenhouse created the dangerous situation and another can argue the total opposite.
I personally for sure do not think he did enough to get the hell out of there after the Rosenbaum shooting. I think the argument that he didn’t do enough to retreat and unnecessarily contributed to the second scene happening is a strong one. But it’s a tough case.
The Judge is clearly on the side of the defense. I believe he wants to rule this case a Mistrial W/ Prejudice. Not allowing Rittenhouse to be recharged. The Defense knows the Judge will have a tough time doing that if the Jury comes back with any guilty verdicts. So the Defense decided to also ask for a Mistrial W/O Prejudice. Basically giving the Judge another way to throw the case out with an easier path. I think this is the most likely outcome if the Jury comes back with guilty verdicts. For sure, it will be ugly if that’s the case.
The Judge has tipped his hand regarding the video and blown up photo that was in the Prosecution’s rebuttal and is the basis for the Defense’s motion for Mistrial W/O Prejudice. I have a feeling this is going to get really messy soon. I just can’t see an across the board acquittal at this point.
I haven't been following the Arbery case, but I can't even imagine what the defense would be. I imagine the defendant can argue in the moment Arbery grabbed his gun, he felt his life was in danger and it was defense. And I imagine that is actually true.
But this occurred while he was in the midst of committing a violent felony, driving down the guy armed vigilante style, so he would be guilty because of that. Sort of like when a drunk driver causes another motorist to hit and kill someone, they are guilty of the murder, because their felonious act caused the murder.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffGlad you asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
Notice the the Arbery case is getting relatively little attention compared to Rittenhouse. Yet there's actually somewhat of a case to be made that Arbery's killing did have a racial element to it, whereas with Rittenhouse that's not true at all.
The reason they're focusing so hard on Rittenhouse is because that one requires more effort to sell the "America so racist" narrative. If there's broad agreement that a killing was wrong and perhaps even had a racial element to it, the left/media has nowhere to go. Everyone condemns it, and the discussion is pretty much over.
So they've gotta keep hammering home bullshit about Rittenhouse the racist white supremacist (who somehow only shot other white people), or otherwise the case looks foolish and the left/media looks foolish for portraying him that way all this time.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...roud-boys-bar/
So he just becomes a white supremacist after he kills a couple white dudes. Makes sense.
What more could he have done to get away? He literally ran until he was out of breath and was looking for cops to turn himself in while people were chasing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDime
Also, when was the last time you got hit over the head with a skateboard by someone in an angry mob? Were you scared or no? Oh ya, at the same time someone else was kicking you in the face and someone else was pulling a gun on you. Were you scared?
The kid being a dipshit doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to defend himself.
The kid having a gun doesn't somehow mean he provoked any violence towards him thus can't use the gun. That's basically what the prosecution is arguing.
You should care about the verdict because if that's not self defense then what is? And where does this lead?
I didn’t mean to write that wall of text. I’m going to delete it. I had started my post and then it auto saved something on my phone I was just riffing on and didn’t mean to get that deeply into. My main point was two were no doubter innocent or more likely to be not guilty verdicts.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
The kid with the skateboard to me, just on the initial video I saw, was some kid standing there with a bunch of people yelling he shot or killed people. Springing into action is stupid, but under another circumstance, could be viewed as stupid but understandable. I’m not advocating a guilty there as I didn’t watch the trial.
That kid had no business being there or having that weapon at his age and maturity. What I really thought was the judge might have fucked him by dropping the gun charge. It’s hard to let someone who shouldn’t have been there, with a gun he wasn’t allowed to legally have, go completely free.
Even if you find it was 95% appropriate self-defense, he still shouldn’t have been there. The misdemeanor gun charge allows for a jury, that I think are more women than men, to convict of something that probably gets him probation or some slap on the wrist.
Dudes walking around with those weapons are supposed to be grown men, or guys like you trained. It’s not a weapon or situation for a kid that was neither physically or mentally mature.
Hundreds of thousands of dipshits were in those streets that summer that shouldn't have been there. They all still had a right to defend themselves if attacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRI didn’t mean to write that wall of text. I’m going to delete it. I had started my post and then it auto saved something on my phone I was just riffing on and didn’t mean to get that deeply into. My main point was two were no doubter innocent or more likely to be not guilty verdicts.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
The kid with the skateboard to me, just on the initial video I saw, was some kid standing there with a bunch of people yelling he shot or killed people. Springing into action is stupid, but under another circumstance, could be viewed as stupid but understandable. I’m not advocating a guilty there as I didn’t watch the trial.
That kid had no business being there or having that weapon at his age and maturity. What I really thought was the judge might have fucked him by dropping the gun charge. It’s hard to let someone who shouldn’t have been there, with a gun he wasn’t allowed to legally have, go completely free.
Even if you find it was 95% appropriate self-defense, he still shouldn’t have been there. The misdemeanor gun charge allows for a jury, that I think are more women than men, to convict of something that probably gets him probation or some slap on the wrist.
Dudes walking around with those weapons are supposed to be grown men, or guys like you trained. It’s not a weapon or situation for a kid that was neither physically or mentally mature.
Here's a guy who tried to defend his store with a sword, I bet he wished he had an AR-15 like Rittenhouse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJeu3GEsOq8
All sorts of people were getting fucked up or killed at these things.
Oh its a hung jury thats about certain at this point.. I dont get why they cant just admit it.. At least one maybe as many as three spineless cucks on the jury know hes innocent but fear the assholes whove come into town to riot in Kenosha again if hes acquitted and cant deal with that fact so they stubbornly refuse to do the job they were sworn to do like little bitches worried again what other people might think or do instead of whats a clear acquittal in the eyes of the law..Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDime
Judge bars MSNBC from entering Kenosha County Courthouse
Judge Bruce Schroeder has announced Thursday that staff from MSNBC will no longer be allowed inside the Kenosha County Courthouse following the incident in which a person was observed following a bus that the jury uses to get to and from the building.
“I have instructed that no one from MSNBC news will be permitted in this building for the duration of this trial. This is a very serious matter and I don’t know what the ultimate truth of it is, but absolutely it would go without much thinking that someone who is following the jury bus – that is an extremely serious matter and will be referred to the proper authorities for further action.”
The man spotted following the bus identified himself as James J. Morrison – and told investigators he was instructed to follow the vehicle, Schroeder added.
The judge said each day in the trial, the jury has been brought to the courthouse in a bus with covered windows.
“Last evening a person who identified himself as James J. Morrison and who claimed that he was a producer with NBC News... and under the supervision of someone... in New York for MSNBC. The police when they stopped him because he was following in the distance of about a block and went through a red light, pulled him over and inquired of him what was going on and he gave that information,” Schroeder said. “He stated he had been instructed by [a supervisor] in New York to follow the jury bus.”
The man was ticketed for violating a traffic control signal.
Libtards trying to intimidate the Jury.
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Never, you are right. I also never took an AR-15 out and stood guard of a car lot in the middle of riots. You are essentially making my point regarding scene 2. We know how he got to scene 1, but scene 2 people can fill in the blanks, of if what Rittenhouse did exhausted any reasonable option of putting himself in a situation where he didn’t need to use deadly force. This is not cut and dry imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
It's not illegal to be stupid and just because you're stupid doesn't mean you don't get to defend yourself if attacked. There were many other people there that night with guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDimeNever, you are right. I also never took an AR-15 out and stood guard of a car lot in the middle of riots. You are essentially making my point regarding scene 2. We know how he got to scene 1, but scene 2 people can fill in the blanks, of if what Rittenhouse did exhausted any reasonable option of putting himself in a situation where he didn’t need to use deadly force. This is not cut and dry imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
You're basically arguing that after he made the bad decision to go to the riot with a gun that he was open game for anyone to attack him and he didn't have the right to defend himself. You also think a girl that leaves the house wearing a short skirt shouldn't be able to defend herself from being raped?
No, you asked me if I ever been hit in the head with a skateboard. I answered your question with the qualifier that I also didn’t do anything like Rittenhouse did either. You are conflating my argument which is focusing on the second scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
I personally do not believe from what I’ve read and seen that he exhausted all options to get the fuck out of there after the Rosenbaum incident. The rest of my initial post was talking about what my theory is on the Jury’s deliberations, Defense Motions for Mistrial and the Judge’s bias. I am not coming at this in a political or advocacy direction. Just what I have personally observed. I understand you disagree and that’s fine.
Also, young and stupid may give you a pass on a lot of shit. But not taking a life. Again, imho.
What options did he not exhaust? You can see him running through the streets to the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDimeNo, you asked me if I ever been hit in the head with a skateboard. I answered your question with the qualifier that I also didn’t do anything like Rittenhouse did either. You are conflating my argument which is focusing on the second scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
I personally do not believe from what I’ve read and seen that he exhausted all options to get the fuck out of there after the Rosenbaum incident. The rest of my initial post was talking about what my theory is on the Jury’s deliberations, Defense Motions for Mistrial and the Judge’s bias. I am not coming at this in a political or advocacy direction. Just what I have personally observed. I understand you disagree and that’s fine.
Also, young and stupid may give you a pass on a lot of shit. But not taking a life. Again, imho.
And young and dumb had nothing to do with him shooting people. He shot them because he was being attacked. That right we all have no matter age or IQ.
Irene Byon
The MSNBC producer who allegedly authorized the reporter to follow the jury.
She has already deleted her LinkedIn and Twitter profiles.
ROFL at the pure irony of her trying to prevent herself from being doxxed.
Civilians usually have less leeway with getting into a situation where they are afraid of their own safety compared to police. No idea of the specifics here.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishWhat options did he not exhaust? You can see him running through the streets to the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDime
And young and dumb had nothing to do with him shooting people. He shot them because he was being attacked. That right we all have no matter age or IQ.
That said nowhere does civilians have a guarantee of being protected by self defense laws in all situations. Say had not it been riot season and Kyle would have been just a regular school shooter. Strolling down the school halls with an AR the self defense BS means nothing, even less after the first kid he kills.
Sure but here the kid is running away the entire time and is rightfully scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickCivilians usually have less leeway with getting into a situation where they are afraid of their own safety compared to police. No idea of the specifics here.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
That said nowhere does civilians have a guarantee of being protected by self defense laws in all situations. Say had not it been riot season and Kyle would have been just a regular school shooter. Strolling down the school halls with an AR the self defense BS means nothing, even less after the first kid he kills.
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Originally Posted by nightmarefishHundreds of thousands of dipshits were in those streets that summer that shouldn't have been there. They all still had a right to defend themselves if attacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
Here's a guy who tried to defend his store with a sword, I bet he wished he had an AR-15 like Rittenhouse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJeu3GEsOq8
All sorts of people were getting fucked up or killed at these things.
I said I see not guilty on the pedophile and the dude who pointed the gun at him. That just seems common sense.
The third guy I have no opinion on as I didn’t watch the trial. If he acted in self-defense and had no other option, I hope he walks.
I think he’s a stupid kid, but whatever, you can’t attack him.
It just seems the jury is lingering. When juries are a bit hung, they tend to bargain from everything I’ve ever read regarding high profile cases with a few holdouts.
You have seven women. Some probably think of little Kyle as their kid, but some women get freaked out even seeing a gun when you have one in your home. Forget seeing him roam the street on video like it’s a field trip with an AR-15 weaving through the crowd.
Judges can give instructions what to base your decision on and everything else, but juries do what they want.
So if they’re back in the jury room haggling, I’d rather have that gun charge on the table if I’m him. I don’t want them bargaining on something that’s as ambiguous as behaving reckless, as that still lands me in jail if the judge doesn’t toss it.
I mean I’m sure he’d snap take a misdemeanor weapons charge right now if it settled it for the holdouts who might not think him a killer, but view him as a little bit to blame. They don’t have that little charge to vote guilty on to make themselves feel better. I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing for him. I guess we will see.
Literally doesn't mean anything. I don't know, if you just know very little about white supremacists or just feel like using the dumbest straw man arguments randomly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druffracist white supremacist (who somehow only shot other white people)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
The Nazi party in Germany targeted socialists, anarchists, deviants (gays), defectors and opposition that usually were white Germans. Also Jews, Gypsies and Slavs but there was at least an ethnic angle there.
They sort of revised their racial hierarchy when it suited them. Modern day white supremacists also do that.
Yea but it would still depend on if the first kill was in self defense or close to that region.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishSure but here the kid is running away the entire time and is rightfully scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
If you murder one guy and another one tries to disarm or attack you, it doesn't count as self defense.
Fairly sure if a gang member enters another gangs territory while visibly armed doing the whole 101 gangbang routine (outfit, hand signs and random call outs) nothing he does there counts as self defense.
Like there's a bit more nuance than just a girl in a mini skirt.
I mean if the dipshit kid had stood there and shot people coming at him then sure it would look a little different. But this kid ran away, scared out of his fucking mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
And plot twist, what if Rittenhouse knew the first guy was a pedophile that had already fucked a handful of kids. Maybe Rittenhouse was scared of getting fucked.
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Doesn't really matter. Running and being scared happens all the time when people do whatever they get caught from.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishI mean if the dipshit kid had stood there and shot people coming at him then sure it would look a little different. But this kid ran away, scared out of his fucking mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
And plot twist, what if Rittenhouse knew the first guy was a pedophile that had already fucked a handful of kids. Maybe Rittenhouse was scared of getting fucked.
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Say you saw me trying to steal your electric bike. If i started running away and you chased me, can i just stop when i get tired and shoot you because you look really scary?
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Originally Posted by gimmickDoesn't really matter. Running and being scared happens all the time when people do whatever they get caught from.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Say you saw me trying to steal your electric bike. If i started running away and you chased me, can i just stop when i get tired and shoot you because you look really scary?
Well the guy chasing him was telling him he was gonna fucking kill him so ya he can be scared and shoot him.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickDoesn't really matter. Running and being scared happens all the time when people do whatever they get caught from.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Say you saw me trying to steal your electric bike. If i started running away and you chased me, can i just stop when i get tired and shoot you because you look really scary?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS22w8HeEB8
Here the pedophile is so scared of the guys with guns that he's actually asking for the "niggas" to shoot him.
Maybe it leads to fewer 17 year old douche bags thinking they’re John McClane and staying away from dangerous situations instead of heading straight for them with illegal guns in tow like moths to a flame.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
He’s probably even more scared of getting fucked now.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishI mean if the dipshit kid had stood there and shot people coming at him then sure it would look a little different. But this kid ran away, scared out of his fucking mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
And plot twist, what if Rittenhouse knew the first guy was a pedophile that had already fucked a handful of kids. Maybe Rittenhouse was scared of getting fucked.
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If I was on the jury I would find NOT Guilty on all counts. Was self defense obviously. One could ask what the fuck did the kid grab a AK 47 and run down there for but that’s not the issue here. Since he only shot whites maybe they won’t riot and burn down the city when kid get found Not Guilty
If Rittenhouse getting convicted scares all the kids in Chicago so much that they quit shooting each other every single day then I’m all for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakMaybe it leads to fewer 17 year old douche bags thinking they’re John McClane and staying away from dangerous situations instead of heading straight for them with illegal guns in tow like moths to a flame.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
I agree but I doubt they’re paying attention, whereas his kind of people have given him hero/martyr status and probably are paying attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishIf Rittenhouse getting convicted scares all the kids in Chicago so much that they quit shooting each other every single day then I’m all for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak