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Hold on are you high? I have never referenced Al Gore, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishOh honey you can find your own information, I'm not gonna use the internet for you. And you still avoid my questions so what's the point in having a discussion? Pointless isn't it? You referenced Al Gore earlier, his movie came out 14 years ago. Since you're so terrified about what was said by the scientists in the movie then you must have drastically changed your way of life. I'm just asking you to share what drastic changes you made. After that, we can continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
You seem to believe man's impact on climate change is a one way street/irreversible. You said it's too late. You then intimate that participation in a global effort is meaningless. Is that what you believe?
Btw please post data re: China, India increasing greenhouse emissions
Can you read screen names?
I came into this when you displayed ignorance over climate change.
I asked for clarification and you changed your answer.
You said China and India are increasing their emissions.
Please submit your proof. You said it prove it.
I told you the conversation won’t continue until you answer my questions. That’s how conversations work. I’m not gonna just continue answering your questions when you refuse to answer mine. Btw, I never changed any of my answers, you drunk again?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesHold on are you high? I have never referenced Al Gore, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Can you read screen names?
I came into this when you displayed ignorance over climate change.
I asked for clarification and you changed your answer.
You said China and India are increasing their emissions.
Please submit your proof. You said it prove it.
Here it is. "If you are in the boat that believes man is responsible for climate change then we are already fucked"Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishI believe man impacts climate change but I don't beleive the world will come to an end in 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
From what you wrote you seem to believe mankind is not responsible for climate change. I'd like to know how you came to this conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Now your turn to answer questions:
Just curious, are you a vegan and do you own a Tesla/or bike to work (assuming you have a job). Does you trailer have solar or wind power?
That statement implies that man is not responsible for climate change.
When I asked you for clarification you altered your response by saying man impacts climate change.
So now we agree man has an influence on climate change but you also said "we are already fucked" implying man's effect on climate is irreversable so why bother.
You stuck your head out attempting to talk about climate change. It's obvious you
know nothing about the topic. When you don't know the answers you try to deflect.
Jesus Christ you’re a fucking retard. I never once implied I think climate change isn’t real.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesHere it is. "If you are in the boat that believes man is responsible for climate change then we are already fucked"Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishI believe man impacts climate change but I don't beleive the world will come to an end in 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
Now your turn to answer questions:
Just curious, are you a vegan and do you own a Tesla/or bike to work (assuming you have a job). Does you trailer have solar or wind power?
That statement implies that man is not responsible for climate change.
When I asked you for clarification you altered your response by saying man impacts climate change.
So now we agree man has an influence on climate change but you also said "we are already fucked" implying man's effect on climate is irreversable so why bother.
You stuck your head out attempting to talk about climate change. It's obvious you
know nothing about the topic. When you don't know the answers you try to deflect.
And you still can’t answer what you’ve changed in your life to combat climate change? Maybe because the answer is you haven’t significantly changed anything? You scared to admit that?
So since you won’t answer I can only come to one of two conclusions:
1. You’re a science denier that doesn’t really believe in climate change.
2. Or you’re a piece of shit that’s unwilling to change their life to help save the world.
Which one is it?
Fox has instilled this defeatist attitude in you people,Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Gee, we can’t stop all climate change so why do anything at all?
Gee, we can’t stop all gun crime so why even have one-gun law?
Gee, we can’t stop the people at the border unless we kidnap their kids,
Gee, we can’t trace every case of covid so why even have tracers and try at all?
Why try to do anything at all? if that is the way you feel
Fox has turned you guys into fucking losers, w/loser attitudes.
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Originally Posted by JimmyG_415Fox has instilled this defeatist attitude in you people,Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Gee, we can’t stop all climate change so why do anything at all?
Gee, we can’t stop all gun crime so why even have one-gun law?
Gee, we can’t stop the people at the border unless we kidnap their kids,
Gee, we can’t trace every case of covid so why even have tracers and try at all?
Why try to do anything at all? if that is the way you feel
Fox has turned you guys into fucking losers, w/loser attitudes.
SHIT.
YouTuber explains why he livestreamed himself pooping on Nancy Pelosi’s driveway
https://nypost.com/2020/09/14/man-wh...ceful-protest/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73GGah7sgnQ
What are you doing to combat climate change Jimmy?Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415Fox has instilled this defeatist attitude in you people,Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Gee, we can’t stop all climate change so why do anything at all?
Gee, we can’t stop all gun crime so why even have one-gun law?
Gee, we can’t stop the people at the border unless we kidnap their kids,
Gee, we can’t trace every case of covid so why even have tracers and try at all?
Why try to do anything at all? if that is the way you feel
Fox has turned you guys into fucking losers, w/loser attitudes.
And why do you continue to talk about Fox News? You’re the only one on the site that watches it.
Nah I'm not an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishDid you sell your car and go vegan? You can say the Republicans are pushing this all you want but I see a very small percentage of people willing to change their lives. Exception being my neighbors across the street. They went vegan, bought a Tesla, and added solar to their house (which we also did). They Even have those Telsa power storage thingys. So they can talk shit to anyone they want since they actually are walking the walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
If you’re hardcore in the AOC we’re destroying our planet camp and the world will come to an end in 20 years and you haven’t changed the way you live then you’re a real asshole. No?
I recycle dude
To Answer your question- Yes I would be willing to sacrifice but the Govt would need to lead via tax breaks and an actual effort to educate people on climate change and educate people on what we as regular people can do.
But of course I'd be willing to do my part
There’s no education available? The scientists say the world will come to an end. The science is in and has been for 15 years. This is my point, if you truly believe our behavior is going to end the world in the next 20 years and you still don’t change the way you live then you’re an asshole, sorry man. And what’s the difference between you and a science denier If you don’t change?Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickNah I'm not an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
I recycle dude
To Answer your question- Yes I would be willing to sacrifice but the Govt would need to lead via tax breaks and an actual effort to educate people on climate change and educate people on what we as regular people can do.
But of course I'd be willing to do my part
Btw the US government has been reducing our emissions for years so we have led in that way.
Who said anything about the world ending in 20 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishThere’s no education available? The scientists say the world will come to an end. The science is in and has been for 15 years. This is my point, if you truly believe our behavior is going to end the world in the next 20 years and you still don’t change the way you live then you’re an asshole, sorry man. And what’s the difference between you and a science denier If you don’t change?Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Btw the US government has been reducing our emissions for years so we have led in that way.
I'm not some SJW over climate change but saying the floors need raking is infuriating to anyone with multiple working brain cells.
It was a 121 degrees there the other day
You don't honestly still believe the republican party is pro-human do you?
The republican party is not only not pro-human but they are anti-human and anti working class
Anyone who thinks the R s are good for the average person is a straight up retard and should not be allowed to vote because they are too stupid too see what is so obvious to the rest of us
If it’s so obvious to everyone then why have so few individuals changed how they live? You had Obama and Joe for 8 years, plenty of time to buy an electric car, become vegan and put solar panels on your house. You did none of those things and it’s not the Republican’s fault, that’s your choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickWho said anything about the world ending in 20 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
I'm not some SJW over climate change but saying the floors need raking is infuriating to anyone with multiple working brain cells.
It was a 121 degrees there the other day
You don't honestly still believe the republican party is pro-human do you?
The republican party is not only not pro-human but they are anti-human and anti working class
Anyone who thinks the R s are good for the average person is a straight up retard and should not be allowed to vote because they are too stupid too see what is so obvious to the rest of us
Scientists say if we don’t reverse our behavior that the world will be irreversibly damaged within 10 years. Are you saying you don’t believe in this science? If you have been unwilling to change your individual behaviors for the last 15 years how seriously can you really be taking it?
People that believe humans are creating climate change which will lead to an unlivable world yet still don’t change the way they live are no different than climate change deniers. You can’t preach to the denier if you’re not walking the walk, you’re just as much part of the problem as they are.
Trump's answer to burning West Coast: 'It'll start getting cooler'
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/14/p...res/index.html
Again climate change isn't my life's work or anything but I have common sense.
121 there last week tells me it probably isn't the leaves on the floor
Hundreds of thousands of migratory birds have been found dead in New Mexico
let us not forget about billion animals that were killed in Australia
Prob all a big hoax
Water is gonna be the new oil. But you knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
A balanced climate will be increasingly more appreciated. That and continuous power delivery. Lol Pacific Gas & Electric
Yet you won't change the way you live. You really don't get my point?Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
It's like Biden parroting "Systemic Racism" over and over. He's done nothing in 47 years to combat systemic racism but he'll tell you all day it exists and that it's bad. What's the point? All for show.
Once again, it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong about climate change. In your daily life you live exactly how deniers live. That's why I brought up the point of my neighbors across the street. They essentially changed everything about the way they live. So if they get into a discussion or debate or want to preach then I can respect it more.
I dunno. Everybody has those ugly solar panels on their roof in my area. They seem to be accelerating. You get those unsolicited calls hustling those installations. That’s a tax credit driven deal. That’s the sales pitch too until I hang up.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishIf it’s so obvious to everyone then why have so few individuals changed how they live? You had Obama and Joe for 8 years, plenty of time to buy an electric car, become vegan and put solar panels on your house. You did none of those things and it’s not the Republican’s fault, that’s your choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Scientists say if we don’t reverse our behavior that the world will be irreversibly damaged within 10 years. Are you saying you don’t believe in this science? If you have been unwilling to change your individual behaviors for the last 15 years how seriously can you really be taking it?
People that believe humans are creating climate change which will lead to an unlivable world yet still don’t change the way they live are no different than climate change deniers. You can’t preach to the denier if you’re not walking the walk, you’re just as much part of the problem as they are.
Tesla wouldn’t exist if not for the EV tax credit too.
So there was legislation promoting public policy.
I personally don’t sort recyclables. That just honest. They won’t pick it up curb side if you don’t though. I just bring a bag to work and chuck it in our dumpster.
Again, trash is a huge difference now too. People have changed behavior. Better than me.
That brings up a memory. We have a recycle dumpster. Plastic cardboard only. The waste company rep got friendly with our maintenance guy and I swear there was a confession that they really don’t recycle that stuff.
However, our customers watch us. “Where are the recycle barrels? Where do I put the plastic bottle?” We do recycling to,shit them up. People have changed.
I live in a liberal state. Maybe that’s it.
Trump is truly a dumb fuck.
I've had them for about 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarI dunno. Everybody has those ugly solar panels on their roof in my area. They seem to be accelerating. You get those unsolicited calls hustling those installations. That’s a tax credit driven deal. That’s the sales pitch too until I hang up.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Tesla wouldn’t exist if not for the EV tax credit too.
So there was legislation promoting public policy.
I personally don’t sort recyclables. That just honest. They won’t pick it up curb side if you don’t though. I just bring a bag to work and chuck it in our dumpster.
Again, trash is a huge difference now too. People have changed behavior. Better than me.
You did it to save money not altruism, amirite? So the Obama folk public policy did have an effect. Cali is still a hopeless shithole but there has been a shift in behavior elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishI've had them for about 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
No amount of public policy can save them except millions fewer inhabitants. Trump is correct with his Cali stance.
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Originally Posted by SanlmarYou did it to save money not altruism, amirite?Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
So people are changing behavior and public policy driving behavior too.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishQuote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Look I don’t have any plans to own an EV and would never install a solar panel. I don’t recycle. I’m kind of a fatalist environmentally. I appreciate the effort in others though and am very aware that others really care.
As I said, I live in a liberal state. Maybe THE liberal state. I am very conscious how out of step I am with my neighbors. That’s why your post interests me. I admire that they care. I feel if I didn’t wear a mask I would catch a beating or at the very least be shunned, for instance.
I know it’s different elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by SanlmarWater is gonna be the new oil. But you knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
A balanced climate will be increasingly more appreciated. That and continuous power delivery. Lol Pacific Gas & Electric
100% re water. Some wealthy people have Been buying up those water rights. Gonna be huge. Just a matter of when. But they said that about oil decades ago too.
If you look at ecological records over thousands of years, the West coast has had hotter, drier periods than the present and cooler, wetter ones.
Brush fires happening during hot/dire periods is a completely normal part of the natural ecosystem, in fact some native species of plants are adapted to this so seeds can't germinate without being exposed to fire.
If anything the problem is we are too good at firefighting and we don't allow enough small fires to run their course naturally, so brush builds up and a threshold is hit and big devastating fires happen.
These fires are a bigger problem to the anthropologic world than the natural world. Nature actually recovers fairly quickly from fires (on an ecological time scale) if people let it.
But yeah, given the realities of our climate/ecosystem I think it is clear we need to completely rethink forest management and get much more aggressive about controlling dry brush buildup. This is much more feasible and useful in the short term than blaming things on climate change. We should of course be trying to shift away from burning fossil fuels for energy regardless for a variety of reasons; but trying to manipulate short term climate change on the West Coast of the US is not a valid reason why.
I feel like the Weather is just cyclical and over say 50-100 years times will change and be different of course, it cycles. So you could say its because of this or that in this era and different then then, but im not a believer other then I do think our OZONE does play a factor in it, to what extent who know, but there is going to be some at least negative affect weather wise if we kill the OZONE for sure, but how much, is it as much as these Politicians are acting like (Just to corner them voters of course and get them. I don't think we truly know, but I do believe obviously the weather is cyclical and over say 100 years it will be much different then the previous 100 years, and im not so sure its because of :Climate change" I feel much of that is just politicians politicin to get votes. But who knows actually, I do know weathers cyclical and ever 100 years it will look different then the previous 100 years of course. IM just not sold on the OH ITS BECAUSE THE CLIMATES CHANGING, not directly, could that be a small part of some changes of course, but how major of them ones are they. No one knows, and we got other problems to worry about in this world then fkn climate change, of course. So for me I auto tune you out usually when you go that route. Anyway fun thread, hope you don't mind my long response =)
Have you been looking at the thousand year ecological records again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
Record keeping began in 1850.
So I don't believe anything else you've said.
Here's what scientists say
California’s climate is changing. Southern California has warmed about three degrees (F) in the last century and all of the state is becoming warmer. Heat waves are becoming more common, snow is melting earlier in spring—and in southern California, less rain is falling as well. In the coming decades, the changing climate is likely to further decrease the supply of water, increase the risk of wildfires, and threaten coastal development and ecosystems.
Our climate is changing because the earth is warming. People have increased the amount of carbon dioxide
in the air by 40 percent since the late 1700s. Other heat-trapping greenhouse gases are also increasing. These gases have warmed the surface and lower atmosphere of our planet about one degree during the last 50 years. Evaporation increases as the atmosphere warms, which increases humidity, average rainfall, and the frequency of heavy rainstorms in many places—but contributes to drought in others.
Greenhouse gases are also changing the world’s oceans and ice cover. Carbon dioxide reacts with water to form carbonic acid, so the oceans are becoming more acidic. The surface of the ocean has warmed one degree during the last 80 years. Warming is causing snow to melt earlier in spring, and mountain glaciers are retreating. Even the great ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica are shrinking. Thus the sea is rising at an increasing rate.
www.epa.gov
Thousands of homeless people in San Francisco are given free drugs with no one trying to really help them get clean. Harm reduction policies are out of control thanks to poor Democrat leadership and they are just helping these people meet a sad early demise. When will the people of San Francisco’s wake up and stop voting Democrat? Where is Nancy Pelosi?
https://twitter.com/RealJohnDennis/s...52405667143680
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Originally Posted by limitlesHave you been looking at the thousand year ecological records again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
Record keeping began in 1850.
So I don't believe anything else you've said.
Here's what scientists say
California’s climate is changing. Southern California has warmed about three degrees (F) in the last century and all of the state is becoming warmer. Heat waves are becoming more common, snow is melting earlier in spring—and in southern California, less rain is falling as well. In the coming decades, the changing climate is likely to further decrease the supply of water, increase the risk of wildfires, and threaten coastal development and ecosystems.
Our climate is changing because the earth is warming. People have increased the amount of carbon dioxide
in the air by 40 percent since the late 1700s. Other heat-trapping greenhouse gases are also increasing. These gases have warmed the surface and lower atmosphere of our planet about one degree during the last 50 years. Evaporation increases as the atmosphere warms, which increases humidity, average rainfall, and the frequency of heavy rainstorms in many places—but contributes to drought in others.
Greenhouse gases are also changing the world’s oceans and ice cover. Carbon dioxide reacts with water to form carbonic acid, so the oceans are becoming more acidic. The surface of the ocean has warmed one degree during the last 80 years. Warming is causing snow to melt earlier in spring, and mountain glaciers are retreating. Even the great ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica are shrinking. Thus the sea is rising at an increasing rate.
www.epa.gov
FWIW, there is an actual scientific discipline of studying past climate patterns by looking at tree rings and other ecological evidence.
Anyways, the point is that fires are part of the natural ecological equilibria of the west coast, and if we want to minis their destructive effects on humanity moving forward, we probably need to take significnalty more proactive action in clearing dry brush.
San Francisco, America’s WORST city, continues its further rapid descent. THIS is what Democrat leadership gets you every single time:
“In San Francisco, burglaries are up 42% in the first 9 months of this year, compared to the same time period in 2019. In the Northern District, which includes Pacific Heights, the Marina, North Beach, and Cow Hollow, it’s up 59%. In the Mission, 79% and in the Richmond up 50%.”
https://twitter.com/KPIXtv/status/1308092143471398912
These are the “nice parts” of town and the libs that live there are not big 2nd Amendment fans. Smart on the burglars’ part. If they did this in Oakland, they’d be shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99
Why not steal a bunch of shit? What's the downside? You don't have to worry about going to prison or anything. Freeroll.
thank God that liberal fag Jimmyg finally fucked off
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-Narcan.html
This story is so quintessential San Francisco. Bum passed out in public library with an unleashed pitbull. Then when a security guard tries to give him Narcan, the pitbull mauls him.