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Very unlikely. If Lake Mead runs dry and Central California no longer receives that 80% of the water, they are going to be so fucking pissed off. It would take ten desalination plants to replace Lake Mead. California doesn't need or want money from Nevada. California needs and wants ALL THE FUCKING WATER.Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeCaboom
Nevada is still FUCKED.
https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...1396607328.jpg
Yeah it looks like desalination plants are in California's near future.
However, we need to take a lesson from 1991 -- the last time this was being discussed. The drought wasn't as severe as now, but certain areas such as Santa Barbara were really struggling. However, two big back-to-back storms fixed the entire thing in March of that year, and everything was suddenly okay.
Due to runoff from hills/mountains, one storm saturating the ground, and another right behind it causing massive runoff can fill reservoirs very quickly. That was overlooked in 1991, and it might be overlooked right now. A few big back-to-back storms at the right time in the winter, and we might be BACK.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
100% plausible, at least in terms of short term relief. but without that snowpack, its going to be a dead cat bounce situation if this is a global warming related macro trend towards a dryer west/southwest.
in any case, i think cali is staring into the abyss right now and has the capital and political homogeny necessary to implement something like desalinization. but of course, no one can afford another crescent dunes debacle.
Saudi Arabia has zero surface water but unlimited cheap energy. They have some of the highest per capita water use in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
100% plausible, at least in terms of short term relief. but without that snowpack, its going to be a dead cat bounce situation if this is a global warming related macro trend towards a dryer west/southwest.
in any case, i think cali is staring into the abyss right now and has the capital and political homogeny necessary to implement something like desalinization. but of course, no one can afford another crescent dunes debacle.
Cali can’t keep pulling water out of the ground or the whole state might become a sinkhole - in before someone says it already is.
The Ukraine deal isn’t gonna resolve itself soon. You well know the dwindling reserves elsewhere.
Germany rues the day they got all sensitive and about nuclear and closed their plants. Germany’s current regret marks a landmark turn in energy imo. California can have all the fresh water desalinization plants they want after they commit to nuclear power.
Capital and political homogeny? Idk but they float some bonds and someone bails them out in a decade or so. Cali can now charge all those electric vehicles too now that everyone is subsidizing EV (Musk) with money no government has. Air conditioners can continue to run in ever increasing heat.
Buy some UEC @ 3.25/share. Beautiful 10% pop today. Debt free balance sheet. Lotta cash. I hate the term but it’s an asymmetrical trade. Buy some for other Sonatine of the future. I suspect he’ll thank you later.
California is already a giant sinkhole.
https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/i...-storms-07.jpg
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3f...=726&auto=webp
https://img4.hulu.com/user/v3/artwor...87&format=jpeg
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Originally Posted by SanlmarSaudi Arabia has zero surface water but unlimited cheap energy. They have some of the highest per capita water use in the world. They are all about desalinization.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Cali can’t keep pulling water out of the ground or the whole state might become a sinkhole - in before someone says it already is.
The Ukraine deal isn’t gonna resolve itself soon. You well know the dwindling reserves elsewhere.
Germany rues the day they got all sensitive and about nuclear and closed their plants. Germany’s current regret marks a landmark turn in energy imo. California can have all the fresh water desalinization plants they want after they commit to nuclear power.
Capital and political homogeny? Idk but they float some bonds and someone bails them out in a decade or so. Cali can now charge all those electric vehicles too now that everyone is subsidizing EV (Musk) with money no government has. Air conditioners can continue to run in ever increasing heat.
Buy some UEC @ 3.25/share. Beautiful 10% pop today. Debt free balance sheet. Lotta cash. I hate the term but it’s an asymmetrical trade. Buy some for other Sonatine of the future. I suspect he’ll thank you later.
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Originally Posted by SanlmarSaudi Arabia has zero surface water but unlimited cheap energy. They have some of the highest per capita water use in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Cali can’t keep pulling water out of the ground or the whole state might become a sinkhole - in before someone says it already is.
The Ukraine deal isn’t gonna resolve itself soon. You well know the dwindling reserves elsewhere.
Germany rues the day they got all sensitive and about nuclear and closed their plants. Germany’s current regret marks a landmark turn in energy imo. California can have all the fresh water desalinization plants they want after they commit to nuclear power.
Capital and political homogeny? Idk but they float some bonds and someone bails them out in a decade or so. Cali can now charge all those electric vehicles too now that everyone is subsidizing EV (Musk) with money no government has. Air conditioners can continue to run in ever increasing heat.
Buy some UEC @ 3.25/share. Beautiful 10% pop today. Debt free balance sheet. Lotta cash. I hate the term but it’s an asymmetrical trade. Buy some for other Sonatine of the future. I suspect he’ll thank you later.
Lol, been buying URNM over the last couple of months.
We have been living parallel lives past year.Quote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Lol, been buying URNM over the last couple of months.
Im seeing things very clearly. So far….
Flash floods in Vegas right now.
Golf courses located in the desert need to be maintained at all costs. AT ALL COSTS.
Stupid people take these articles seriously…
Bodies popping up left and right still
https://nypost.com/2022/08/07/fourth...it-record-low/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWN-hR7TJvQ
lol mmmmhm
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Originally Posted by devidee
NEW - Greenland ice sheet gained 7 Gigatons of mass in just one day yesterday — the largest daily gain ever recorded during the summer.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/of...er/ar-AA14Moga
new eta for the turbines to shut down:
july.
Seems to me this should be a much larger story than it is.
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Originally Posted by Daly
nah bro its all a hoax i hear.
so a second order effect of this is that its going to impact hundreds of thousands of houses south of the dam, in particular those that are currently being constructed and were approved based on the availability of water that simply might not be there when they are complete.
https://phys.org/news/2022-12-arizon...is-stokes.html
PFA trigger warning: phys.org is a science website.
Teravalis - 100,000 homes on 37,000 acres ….. and they just broke ground … smelled like a Blackrock fiasco at first.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Also
The Howard Hughes Corporation
Forget the water for a moment, I didn’t know how crazy popular Arizona was and the insane growth.
splitthis: No hoax, don’t live in DESERT
The immortal Sam Kinison
arizona is such a weird ass real estate wild card. there was this insane show about this group of flippers who would show up at house auctions and mayhem ensues etc etc, think 'storage wars' but houses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
and lo and behold i think all the property auctions that got filmed were in arizona.
also, weirdly, about 8-10 years ago i had a bunch very, very financially secure friends (who didnt actually know each other) start to openly flirt with moving to arizona. and to their credit you can live in a cartel mansion caliber spread in AZ for like 800k or so, pre-covid, and still be within a 30 minute drive to a legit michelin star restaurant.
and needless to say none of them ever followed through because lol fuck living in arizona holy shit but i got the allure.
you know, until the watershed feeding all these properties basically ran dry.
pretty intense crossroads we find ourselves at. behind door #1 we have private sector water delivery as a utility to something like a million+ souls and counting so long as they dont fall behind on their payments, and door #2 is demolish hoover dam, build a nuke plant out by henderson, and tell farmers to fuck themselves or adapt to austerity quotas.
i mean, its america so we know which solution to long here (sorry souls).
shout out to michael burry.
Arizona is a weird state. I know a lot about Arizona, despite never having lived there. I'm not really a big fan of the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatinearizona is such a weird ass real estate wild card. there was this insane show about this group of flippers who would show up at house auctions and mayhem ensues etc etc, think 'storage wars' but houses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
and lo and behold i think all the property auctions that got filmed were in arizona.
also, weirdly, about 8-10 years ago i had a bunch very, very financially secure friends (who didnt actually know each other) start to openly flirt with moving to arizona. and to their credit you can live in a cartel mansion caliber spread in AZ for like 800k or so, pre-covid, and still be within a 30 minute drive to a legit michelin star restaurant.
and needless to say none of them ever followed through because lol fuck living in arizona holy shit but i got the allure.
you know, until the watershed feeding all these properties basically ran dry.
pretty intense crossroads we find ourselves at. behind door #1 we have private sector water delivery as a utility to something like a million+ souls and counting so long as they dont fall behind on their payments, and door #2 is demolish hoover dam, build a nuke plant out by henderson, and tell farmers to fuck themselves or adapt to austerity quotas.
i mean, its america so we know which solution to long here (sorry souls).
shout out to michael burry.
The area being discussed in the article is Buckeye, which is west of Phoenix, along the 10. There is a huge wasteland of nothingness going west on the 10 from Phoenix, and you don't really get to any real civilization until you cross the border into Blythe, CA, about 120 miles away.
Finally it was realized that a lot of money was being left on the table. Why not develop the desert wastelands sitting outside of Phoenix, if you could entice residents by showing that it's a 30-45 minute drive to downtown Phoenix?
That's exactly what's going on there. The only limitation is the water. Greater Phoenix already has about 5 million people, and it's been growing each year. The land in the outlying areas can be bought relatively cheaply. Now that the water squeeze is coming, this can wreck that entire business model.
A lot will depend upon the snowpack which builds this winter. So far the snowpack is looking mediocre in the Rockies, which mostly feeds the Colorado River. But there's a long way to go.
At least California is looking somewhat better, as the Sierras have had a great December snowfall-wise, and more will be falling in the next 10 days, including right now.
LOL at Buckeye planned development. In the Phoenix area a shooting is called a "Buckeye divorce."
I can see myself getting a place in Sedona
Sedona rocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Anything decent is a million plus.
Final jeopardy question guessed from here.
for the record i was considering moving back to vegas maybe three or four years back and told brandon i was going to back burner it because i didnt see any way for vegas to avoid water rationing in the not so distant future.
https://www.arcamax.com/currentnews/...ines/s-2815239
https://www.axios.com/2023/05/22/ari...ver-water-cuts
im here for their optimism.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
nice propaganda rag
but the Biden reparations money …. It’s funny but a federal billion just doesn’t matter any more. Let it rain.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaiQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
nice propaganda rag
Yeah, I know, it's barely 10 feet higher than last year's all-time low, but, REVERSE DEATH CROSS ACHIEVED. Thank you storms/winter snow pack melt...
https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp
JacobslifeinVegas had a recent video that's kinda informative:
https://youtu.be/wRzBxAGOPdY
Unfortunately Lake Mead did not benefit much for the massive California winter, which dumped a lot of rain and snow all over the state.
These storms did not make it east, and thus the Rockies -- which primarily feed Lake Mead -- did not have a good year.
In the meantime, California reservoirs overflowed and spilled over (a huge fail, by the way, as the state needs to save all the water it can for future drought years), and the melting snow from the Sierras should keep the state with plenty of water during the predictably dry May-October span.
Mammoth Mountain, in the Sierras, got a whopping 715 inches of snow this season, and still has a 148 inch base in late May. This will be one of those years where the mountain have enough snow to ski through August, and you'll still see snow in patches on the mountain until the November 2023 snows start up again.
It makes sense that California will forego some of the water they're getting from the Colorado River. The other states? Not gonna be so easy.
Update-
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...26ac2654&ei=13
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Lake Mead's water levels are changing at an impressive rate not seen during January for more than five years.
After years of drought, Lake Mead, which is in Nevada and Arizona, reached drastically low levels in the summer of 2022. However, water levels have since started to recover because of above-average precipitation and snowpack that melted last year and various storms that supplemented the levels throughout the summer. Typically, Lake Mead's water levels stall, or the increase slows, during the winter months, but a graph shows that isn't the case this year.
On Monday, Lake Mead water levels were marked at more than 1,070 feet. The lake surpassed 2022 levels last May and blew past 2021 levels in December. The lake still has a long way to go before it's recovered completely, as full pool is measured at 1,229 feet. But a graph by Lakesonline.com shows there's good news for the reservoir: Water levels have jumped more than 2 feet in the two weeks since January 1, a rate of increase not seen since 2019.