Should Apple help government hack into the phone of dead terrorist?

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Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger

new twist...

now that the FBI has broken the security code (supposedly), Apple wants to be told how it was done

so after not helping the FBI, now Apples wants their help to patch the hack

amazing--Apple's selfishness

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Look at it from a different angle for a moment, would you?

If a group of random hackers that had no government backing hacked Apple products, Apple would not only want to know how their product was hacked, they would want those who did it prosecuted.

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

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Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger

new twist...

now that the FBI has broken the security code (supposedly), Apple wants to be told how it was done

so after not helping the FBI, now Apples wants their help to patch the hack

amazing--Apple's selfishness

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Look at it from a different angle for a moment, would you?

If a group of random hackers that had no government backing hacked Apple products, Apple would not only want to know how their product was hacked, they would want those who did it prosecuted.

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But this wasn't a criminal act. This was the government using their own tactics to get into the phone when Apple refused to help.

At that point, the government had no choice but to resort to whichever tactics necessary to break in themselves (or pay someone else to do it).

Now Apple deserves nothing.

Refuse to cooperate with the government, and the government will refuse to cooperate with you. Seems totally fair to me.

Had Apple not taken this assholish stance in the first place, the government could have been a symbiotic partner in security, rather than an adversary.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

Look at it from a different angle for a moment, would you?

If a group of random hackers that had no government backing hacked Apple products, Apple would not only want to know how their product was hacked, they would want those who did it prosecuted.

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But this wasn't a criminal act. This was the government using their own tactics to get into the phone when Apple refused to help.

At that point, the government had no choice but to resort to whichever tactics necessary to break in themselves (or pay someone else to do it).

Now Apple deserves nothing.

Refuse to cooperate with the government, and the government will refuse to cooperate with you. Seems totally fair to me.

Had Apple not taken this assholish stance in the first place, the government could have been a symbiotic partner in security, rather than an adversary.

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Circumstantially I agree with you, overall I see it as just a different gang that wants their way.

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

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Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger

new twist...

now that the FBI has broken the security code (supposedly), Apple wants to be told how it was done

so after not helping the FBI, now Apples wants their help to patch the hack

amazing--Apple's selfishness

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Look at it from a different angle for a moment, would you?

If a group of random hackers that had no government backing hacked Apple products, Apple would not only want to know how their product was hacked, they would want those who did it prosecuted.

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okay, i did think for a minute and concluded:

here the FBI is not a group of random hackers breaking the law, rather they are attempting to protect us Americans; Apple puts themselves and their profits ahead of us all...to me that is a significant difference thus i can't accept your construct

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Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

Look at it from a different angle for a moment, would you?

If a group of random hackers that had no government backing hacked Apple products, Apple would not only want to know how their product was hacked, they would want those who did it prosecuted.

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okay, i did think for a minute and concluded:

here the FBI is not a group of random hackers breaking the law, rather they are attempting to protect us Americans; Apple puts themselves and their profits ahead of us all...to me that is a significant difference thus i can't accept your construct

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Politically influenced law enforcement agencies cannot be trusted, but if you think otherwise then you go girl.

The flood gates have officially opened. Seemingly every police agency in the country is turning to the FBI now to hack into phones they want to get into. And that is just the requests we know about, God only knows how many others are in the crosshairs now. Legally or not. Because the police would never "bend" the laws to get someone would they? Nah.

land of the free

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

The flood gates have officially opened. Seemingly every police agency in the country is turning to the FBI now to hack into phones they want to get into. And that is just the requests we know about, God only knows how many others are in the crosshairs now. Legally or not. Because the police would never "bend" the laws to get someone would they? Nah.

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Police can bend laws and falsify evidence already. This iPhone thing doesn't introduce a new element there.

I, for one, am happy that law enforcement can now access iPhones of horrible criminals, such as rapists, murderers, child molesters, and terrorists.

A warrant gives them access to everything else, and an iPhone should not be the one thing where that is excepted, especially because of how widely it's used.

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Originally Posted by chinamaniac

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Government can't force ME to decrypt hand written notes, but that falls under the rights against self-incrimination. Totally different.

Government cannot force me to open a safe, but they can get an order to drill or blast open the safe.

i am not saying that the government should be able to force individuals to make it easier to obtain evidence against them. However, they should have access to search everything. It is very dangerous for a company to be able to manufacture a VERY common device which can be used to store criminal evidence to where the person storing it has certainty that it can never be breached.

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They should do the same thing here. They should open the phone themselves just like they would blast open a safe

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'60 Minutes' hacks congressman's phone for security report

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...ecurity-report

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Originally Posted by big dick

heil hitler

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