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Originally Posted by Jasep
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Originally Posted by Jasep
Hopefully Druff's tough but fair approach includes the banning of any member that rolls another member.
Vegas deserves some PFA credits for his role in exposing and elimination of this douche from PFA
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Originally Posted by jsearles22
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Originally Posted by jsearles22
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Originally Posted by Vegas1369
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Originally Posted by jsearles22
So it seems pretty clear to me that the original offer was for the offending posts to contain misusage of BOTH terms in said post. I purposefully never veered from that path as that was my understanding of the bet. If Vegas felt differently then he should have clarified the terms better. Reading the bolded sections of the quotes contained herein, im not sure how anyone of sound mind can dispute that the accepted bet by me was for the misuse of both words?The mere fact that everyone loves Vegas and hates me shouldnt come in to play at all, but all i have saw so far is the same old dick sucking leeches popping off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vegas1369
If there is one thing that everyone can agree on its that I dont know how to properly use the word than. I am actually slightly embarrassed by this, but thats neither here nor there. I will strive to use better grammar in the future. Regardless, the bet was for misuses of BOTH terms in a post and I knew Vegas would never be able to find 5 let alone 25 posts of that manner.
This is akin to someone showing up at a AA meeting and bringing a cooler full of beer.
One of the tenets of PFA is the elimination of scum and angle shooting cheaters in our community.
As a charter PFAer, and being one of the pillars of our community, I must bring it before Druff to demand that Vegas be paid in full, or that Jsearless22 be outed as a scamming angle shooter, and be summarily banned.
That is a much better reason then the fact that he is a troll. And I prefer banning him, instead of him getting a scammatar, than turning into UBERTROLL.
So shall it be written, so shall it be done.
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Originally Posted by Ricky
You're right Searless. The fact that a lot of people like Vegas, and the fact that no one really enjoys your presence should not come into play. Facts are facts and a bet is a bet.
You seemingly worded your response very carefully. I will bite anyways; which side do you agree with Templar?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTemplar
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Originally Posted by jsearles22You seemingly worded your response very carefully. I will bite anyways; which side do you agree with Templar?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTemplar
Actually Searles, I worded it that way because I didn't read the whole thread. I am reading the rest of it right now.
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Originally Posted by jsearles22
Dude, do you really have no self respect at all? If you did you would gtfo and get on with your elife elsewhere.
It is very clear now that Jsearles likes to parade around here like he knows a thing or 2 about wagering and he knows a thing or two about staking, so much so, that he probably likens himself to some sort of authority on the two... But the facts are pretty cut and dry... He has no idea how any of it works and has no experience with either.
This attempted angle shot is so amateurish it isn't even good... I liken it to the bums in the French Quarter saying "Bet you ten I can tell you where you got your shoes at" or a 6 year old saying Heads I win, tales you lose...
It's grimey and lame... I knew that you knew nothing about how gambling or staking worked when you asked the stupidest question imaginable in Druff's stake thread but instead of calling you out for not knowing shit about how it works I let it go, even though you like to jump all over respected people with your two cents of what someone trusted, money tested and certified truthful to hurt their action.
I called this months ago....
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Originally Posted by Jasep
Each of us can produce minimum of a dozen people who will willing come in to a thread and say they have had smooth financial transactions with us. You on the other hand can produce no one and nothing... You have been trying to angle for months now and you think you finally found a mark, but no true gambler in the world will rule on your side of this and you 100% owe the kid 500.
If you were attempting to do anything other than angle shoot and scam then instead of being so very careful to deviate from a word or two you would have been very forthcoming in your interpretation of the wager before it progressed one single step.
It's all fun and games when you are tilting people and laughing about it, but now it's an issue of you owing a member of this community 500 dollars and you should probably pay him to save any type of future you may have. Even if you don't care about being a member here. Your obligation does not simply end with a banning or leaving...
Grow up kid, you wan't to make big boy wagers than take big boy responsibility for your actions.
Ok so I have read the entire thread pertaining to the bet. Like I said before, the way people feel about you and Vegas personally should not come into play.
Yet after reading the entire thread. You and Vegas were going back and forth about your use of the word "then" for "than". There was a bet that he could find 25 posts where he could find the misuse of the word. You accepted.
Then Crowe Didly bet you he could find a dozen posts from here within an hour. You then came back and said ok 12 posts in an hour with the misuse of both words in a post. Didly then came back and said don't angle shoot, its for the misuse of the word then for than. This is when you said no, the bet with Vegas is for both words misused in a post.
This is 100% an angle shot.
First of all the whole argument was started over the misuse of then for than. This is what Vegas made the bet for.
$500 is owed to Vegas. A clear angle shot by you Searles.
That is a fact.
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He offered a bet, I accepted. Its not my responsibility to clarify the terms if I feel that they are fully understood. The onus is not on me to try to either A. talk him out of the bet or B. make the terms more friendly or him. The bet was offered and I fully understood what he was offering as it was written in plain english. I did not deviate from those terms trying to hide anything or angle shoot, I didnt deviate because those were the terms of the bet!
I said it last night and I will say it again. 90% of bets are taken on the premise that the offering party makes a stupid offer. Vegas made a stupid offer and I accepted. I conveyed that I thought it was a moronic offer by my intial $1,000,000 proposal. When I realized he was serious, I let him off of the hook at $500. I even at one point offered him an olive branch telling him I wasnt even being serious and was surprised he took it as such. He continually insisted on the bet so I accepted.
Druff, Steve O and Tony Bags would all be suitable arbitrators for this bet... would you honor whatever side any of those three say should pay?Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
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Originally Posted by JasepDruff, Steve O and Tony Bags would all be suitable arbitrators for this bet... would you honor whatever side any of those three say should pay?Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
Druff and T-bag have both been very vocal in voicing their disdain for me. I recently knocked Steve-O out of the HU tournament. I don't think I can get a fair and impartial jury here. I may have to seek a change of venue.
He'll never pay regardless of who rules. Brand him a POS and ban his dumb ass.
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Originally Posted by Jasep
Druff and T-bag have both been very vocal in voicing their disdain for me. I recently knocked Steve-O out of the HU tournament. I don't think I can get a fair and impartial jury here. I may have to seek a change of venue.
Would you agree to Shaun Deeb? I will call him right now.
Joke... you are implying now that 3 insanely respected people would rule against you based on their history with you and you LOL winning a heads up match.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Jasep
Druff and T-bag have both been very vocal in voicing their disdain for me. I recently knocked Steve-O out of the HU tournament. I don't think I can get a fair and impartial jury here. I may have to seek a change of venue.
On my PS3 cant quote it but jsearless say 25 incorrect useages for 500, vegas found that. if the judges he picked vote against him and he does not pay instaban. Not looking good for you JSearless
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Originally Posted by jsearles22
Would you agree to Shaun Deeb? I will call him right now.
To imply that people who have voiced their displeasure with me very recently would be suitable to arbitrate a bet is simply absurd. Are you familiar with the term impartial? How about conflict of interest?Quote:
Originally Posted by JasepJoke... you are implying now that 3 insanely respected people would rule against you based on their history with you and you LOL winning a heads up match.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
The Steve-O thing was a joke. I would consider Steve-O as one of the panel.
is this kid really trying to get out of this bet? it's pretty obvious to me vegas is the winner. seems like searles angle shot himself in the foot.
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Here is my take on this:Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
Let me start by saying I have only had good interactions with JSearles on here, and I don't know Vegas much at all. AND this whole thing is quite stupid since many people type and spell based on their accent and pronounciation of words, so then for than isn't really a big deal and doesn't mean he doesn't know the difference. For instance, I speak fast and often type 'your' when the word I'm looking for is 'you're' because thats how I say it (I never make the reverse mistake though because I don't pronounce 'You Are'). So Searles should haved simply laughed this off. That said, here we are....
The initial spirit of the bet was regarding his use of the word 'then' instead of 'than' or vice versa. I think everyone can agree on this.
This post by Vegas can be interpreted both ways, but it was made after the terms for the initial bet were already being determined:
The other quotes by Searles do not bolster his case at all ('usages' and 'those 2 words' doesn't imply both words in the same post, and "25 incorrect usages for $250 with a panel of 3 impartial judges" actually bolsters Vegas' claim) but the one above does have multiple interpretations. As a conscripted judge :) my ruling would be that Vegas won the bet, but perhaps there is some room for lowering the amount of the bet on a technicality?Quote:
How about I find, lets say 15 posts, where you have used those two words incorrectly?
Little off topic currently Searles (actually the main topic) but I just stomped some guys throat for $2200 and my roll is around 14k on my stake. I could quit playing now would that mean your experiment is a failure?
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Originally Posted by jsearles22
Let me start by saying I have only had good interactions with JSearles on here, and I don't know Vegas much at all. AND this whole thing is quite stupid since many people type and spell based on their accent and pronounciation of words, so then for than isn't really a big deal and doesn't mean he doesn't know the difference. For instance, I speak fast and often type 'your' when the word I'm looking for is 'you're' because thats how I say it (I never make the reverse mistake though because I don't pronounce 'You Are'). So Searles should haved simply laughed this off. That said, here we are....
The initial spirit of the bet was regarding his use of the word 'then' instead of 'than' or vice versa. I think everyone can agree on this.
This post by Vegas can be interpreted both ways, but it was made after the terms for the initial bet were already being determined:
The other quotes by Searles do not bolster his case at all ('usages' and 'those 2 words' doesn't imply both words in the same post, and "25 incorrect usages for $250 with a panel of 3 impartial judges" actually bolsters Vegas' claim) but the one above does have multiple interpretations. As a conscripted judge :) my ruling would be that Vegas won the bet, but perhaps there is some room for lowering the amount of the bet on a technicality?Quote:
How about I find, lets say 15 posts, where you have used those two words incorrectly?
Damn it Steve-O, why did you weigh in before you could be accepted as a fair and impartial judge?
The first level headed person to weigh in acknowledges that the bet can be interpreted multiple ways. Although he ultimately sides with Vegas, he attempts to mitigate the loss amount by acknowledging that the bet was not clear and concise per both parties.
The fact of the matter is that I accepted the bet on the premise that both words would be used in the same post as this is precisely what was offered. Steve-O acknowledges that this is a legit interpretation.
Druff, T-bags, Shaun Deeb, etc please weigh in so I can make my decision and get this thing ended.
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Really bro? Now I am a name dropper? You are such a fucking clown. I was simply giving you a respected outlet in the poker world that would give an unbiased opinion.Quote:
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Originally Posted by TheTemplar
I have lost all of what little respect I had for you. I felt bad when Lewfather destroyed you, because I thought, well this kid probably doesn't deserve it. I thought well maybe this kid is just misunderstood. After the short radio interview you had, when you said "I just like to stir the pot". I thought yeah he is just a troll, he is harmless.
In the following weeks since that, you have taken shots at every trust worthy person on this forum. I really feel bad for you. It sucks that people have to put up with a troll like you. You're an internet tough guy, who can and will say anything over the forum, because you know you will never meet any of them.
You will never come out to Vegas or AC and meet the community. You would never come out and say "Hi I am Jsearless". You would never act this way face to face. Simply because you're a scared little faggot.
I almost feel bad for JSearles. He agreed to a stupid, e-dick swinging bet and panicked when he realized he would lose, creating his stupid excuse of "two misuses in the same sentence". Is he an idiot? Of course. Should he pay? Obv. Will he ever pay? Of course not. How appropriate that this exchange takes place in the "flying stupidity" forum, as Searles has demonstrated time and again that his intellect falls way short of average.
Slap the scammatar/welcher label and unleash the 'STAKE ME BRO" pics. He's been outed and his image should no longer be protected. The powers that be should also designate idiot poster with a history of welching/stupidity with some kind of label to prevent them from betting. It protects everyone, including themselves.
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Originally Posted by TheTemplarReally bro? Now I am a name dropper? You are such a fucking clown. I was simply giving you a respected outlet in the poker world that would give an unbiased opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
I have lost all of what little respect I had for you. I felt bad when Lewfather destroyed you, because I thought, well this kid probably doesn't deserve it. I thought well maybe this kid is just misunderstood. After the short radio interview you had, when you said "I just like to stir the pot". I thought yeah he is just a troll, he is harmless.
In the following weeks since that, you have taken shots at every trust worthy person on this forum. I really feel bad for you. It sucks that people have to put up with a troll like you. You're an internet tough guy, who can and will say anything over the forum, because you know you will never meet any of them.
You will never come out to Vegas or AC and meet the community. You would never come out and say "Hi I am Jsearless". You would never act this way face to face. Simply because you're a scared little faggot.
Calls me an internet tough guy then proceeds to immediately become an internet tough guy. The symmetry here is pretty humorous.
You must not consider yourself trustworthy Templar because I dont believe I have taken any shots at you?
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Not gonna work, BroSearles
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gj china keep up the good work.
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Originally Posted by jsearles22You would quit on your investors with 10% of the stake left? That says more about you then it does about me.Quote:
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But anyhow I'll let the boys keep beating on you
good day sir
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Originally Posted by TheTemplar
Calls me an internet tough guy then proceeds to immediately become an internet tough guy. The symmetry here is pretty humorous.
You must not consider yourself trustworthy Templar because I dont believe I have taken any shots at you?
I am not an internet tough guy. I don't have a problem with anybody on this forum or any other forum. The truth is you are a scared little pussy that would never act this way in real life. That is not me being a tough guy, that is the truth.
As far me being trustworthy, the people who I have had interactions so far on this site would call me trustworthy. From escrowing, to holding money, to paying off bets, all of this with no one here knowing as little as my first name. The stupid name dropping picture isn't a shot at me? Or was that just a stupid little thing to "stir the pot as you say".
I don't know who else feels this way, but i have been waiting for this day for a long time. :)
Offering up someone who is first and foremost a HUGE name currently in the poker community is in fact name dropping sir. That wasnt a shot at you, it was a fact. The guy doesnt have an account here and 99.9% isnt going to come here and referee this e-beef. You throwing his name out there is a chance for you to simply drop a name on the forum.Quote:
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Originally Posted by jsearles22
I am not an internet tough guy. I don't have a problem with anybody on this forum or any other forum. The truth is you are a scared little pussy that would never act this way in real life. That is not me being a tough guy, that is the truth.
As far me being trustworthy, the people who I have had interactions so far on this site would call me trustworthy. From escrowing, to holding money, to paying off bets, all of this with no one here knowing as little as my first name. The stupid name dropping picture isn't a shot at me? Or was that just a stupid little thing to "stir the pot as you say".
Saying im a scared little pussy is internet tough talk 101. "You would never say this to my face" could be the slogan of the Internet tough talk fan club. How do you know I dont call out people in real life? How do you know im not a walking, talking, trash spewing badass that pretty much fucks everyone up who dares stand in my path? Thats clearly hyperbole, im just illustrating a point. You dont know me anymore then I know you. Your whole "you're a pussy" talk is just uneducated spewing (which I am often guilty of myself. Dont run from it, just own it).
Regardless, I still like you Templar. I think you are one of the top 2-3 guys here. You are funny, insightful, and give back to the community through your efforts with the HU tournament, etc. I love your photoshops and I have enjoyed your stories on radio. Your disdain for me doesnt take away that I like you.
This isn't "exactly" what I'm saying; I don't think you won the bet, and I don't think the bet should be voided. The intent of the bet was pretty clear from the outset, and since the bet was incredibly stupid (on both sides) to begin with I don't see why a compromise cannot be reached where Vegas wins the bet, but for a reduced amount.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Steve-O
Damn it Steve-O, why did you weigh in before you could be accepted as a fair and impartial judge?
The first level headed person to weigh in acknowledges that the bet can be interpreted multiple ways. Although he ultimately sides with Vegas, he attempts to mitigate the loss amount by acknowledging that the bet was not clear and concise per both parties.
The fact of the matter is that I accepted the bet on the premise that both words would be used in the same post as this is precisely what was offered. Steve-O acknowledges that this is a legit interpretation.
Druff, T-bags, Shaun Deeb, etc please weigh in so I can make my decision and get this thing ended.
Maybe Vegas could explain the amount of time he put into researching this and we could come to a reasonable payment amount for his troubles?
I'd like to hear from Vegas and JSearles on what they feel the "right" outcome for this wager is, then we could send it to arbitration
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I have been thinking about this since I read it and strongly believe the monetary wager option was a poor choice by Vegas. This clown was clearly never going to pay and 5 more misuses for him to never post again? Oh well live and learn, hopefully we come to the same result.Quote:
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Originally Posted by jsearles22Offering up someone who is first and foremost a HUGE name currently in the poker community is in fact name dropping sir. That wasnt a shot at you, it was a fact. The guy doesnt have an account here and 99.9% isnt going to come here and referee this e-beef. You throwing his name out there is a chance for you to simply drop a name on the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTemplar
Saying im a scared little pussy is internet tough talk 101. "You would never say this to my face" could be the slogan of the Internet tough talk fan club. How do you know I dont call out people in real life? How do you know im not a walking, talking, trash spewing badass that pretty much fucks everyone up who dares stand in my path? Thats clearly hyperbole, im just illustrating a point. You dont know me anymore then I know you. Your whole "you're a pussy" talk is just uneducated spewing (which I am often guilty of myself. Dont run from it, just own it).
Regardless, I still like you Templar. I think you are one of the top 2-3 guys here. You are funny, insightful, and give back to the community through your efforts with the HU tournament, etc. I love your photoshops and I have enjoyed your stories on radio. Your disdain for me doesnt take away that I like you.
I honestly believe you are a different person off the internet. You said it yourself on the radio, you just like to stir the pot. I am not an internet tough guy, the fact is you wouldn't say or do 99% of this stuff in real life. How do I know you don't run around the streets fucking everyone up? I don't know that in certain. What I do know is your intelligent, you have a degree, a family, and a good job. So no, I do not feel you are a psychopath, and late night fight clubs aren't part of your schedule.
Yes me calling you a pussy is def a spew by me, and I stand by it. Yet I will say that almost always all internet tough guys are pussy's.
It makes me feel good that some people enjoy what I contribute to the forum. I am not the most intellectual poster, my spelling and grammar is horrid, but if I can give someone a laugh every now and then, it's all good. It just blows that a good thread, can be hijacked with a little trolling from a poster like you.
We're all sick of the facade your putting up, and the bullshit trolling. I still don't have any ill will towards you. I might get pissed that to get a little excitement, you have to come on here and bust everyone's balls. Yet I still don't have any ill will towards you.
Just come on here, post, and act like you do in real life. Your not an asshole in real life.