You want to laugh, I would take Warren over Jeb....
You want to laugh, I would take Warren over Jeb....
I also voted Obama over McCain...I did vote Romney..if he would have won the economy would of gone gang blisters..I would vote Warren over Jeb but walker over Warren..I'm not brainwashed PROGRESSIVE zealots like you guys who have yet to CRITICIZE your own ideology once...THING THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMM?!?
The stronger the economic health of the private sector working class the stronger and richer America is as a whole for everyone..there is no difference between a neo con and a democrat legislatively..you might think there is but there really isn't, if you do the honest research...they both want to dismantle the independently earned middle class and send it to south America or China or India. A strong private sector working class is the only thing keeping the barbarians at the gate and missing off the n.w.o. .both those ideologies work for them not us...I would at least vote Warren over Jeb because she would replace my opportunity with a block of cheese and a Obama phone..Jeb wouldn't...if walker were to win i could actually earn it myself..it would be better for everyone who wants to work..
Druff, in 2009 you were wrong about what California would be like with Jerry Brown in his 2nd stint as California governor....it hasn't been tax and spend as you said, rather it was reduce services/spending severely to get finances in order and only afterward increase income tax on only the +$250,000 annual income group and a gradual .25% sales tax increase to restore some funding to public education...in 2009 your Republican stripes were showing through your posed veneer of political sagacity and it looks like again today your unthinking bias is on display.
so your negative views on H Clinton are encouraging to anyone fearing a president from the same party that gave us a TAX CUT FOR THE WEALTHY, IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, and a FINANCIAL COLLAPSE under one administration.
Toaster Oven has owned you in this thread
I will take Scott walker, thank you very much...a city bus driver retires in 20 years..I, a private sector worker retires in 50 Years with a million in cash in the bank..who should be taxed more? Who's richer? The bus driver because his 5000 dollar a month pension for the rest of his life is equivalent to a poo private Scottsdale account of 1.6 million AND his Obama care fees are paid for!! Kapesh pizano..or are you going to pretend not to get it, once again..lol.
Jerry Brown has been better than expected. Still don't like the sales tax increase, but that's a different discussion for a different time. Brown has been okay because he has acted like his own man and basically gave the finger to party politics, sometimes pissing off his own party in the process. Even though I don't agree with everything he's done, I can at least respect his honest desire to do the right thing.
There is no unthinking bias here. I have backed up everything I wrote about Hillary. If you honestly don't believe that Hillary's record of secrecy and scandals won't be dogging her in the upcoming election, I don't know what to tell you. She might still win, but that will be the strongest weapon the Republicans will have against her. I can't believe people are arguing with me about this, because it's pretty evident to anyone who has been watching her for the past 25 years.
Are you really going to put the 2008 financial issues solely on the shoulders of George Bush? Barney Frank and friends had nothing to do with it, right? Are you actually questioning the US decision to invade Afghanistan? Even in hindsight, that was the right move.
Honestly the above is a disappointing post from you all around.
lol, so i am not the only one up Saturday night trolling threads...
re: you disappointment, i filed that under "don't give a shit"
as for Hillary and personal character--that i also demur here (legalize for "so what?"), indeed, i'd overlook Presidental blow jobs if that President avoids bad decisions like starting wars and cutting taxes at the same time (Bush couldn't remember that Johnson made the same mistake?)
re: 2008 financial crisis--Gramm (R), Leach (R), Bliley (R) sponsored the legislation that repealed Glass-Steagal (i don't see Frank's name there), and during Bush administration bank leverage of the 5 largest too big to fail was allowed to get up to over 30-1...
can't rewrite history my good man...
Nope, Romney lost because he couldn't explain his involvement in the Morman religion and he couldn't explain how he made so much money when he was running Bain Capital.
Mitt Romney left the company in 2001, but continues to make over $50K per day, which is taxed as capital gains through blind trusts setup in the Cayman Islands, Romney pays anywhere from 13% to 20% in taxes.
Your average voter probably doesn't understand how leveraged buyouts, private equity and venture capital work.
Bain Capital invested in Staples, Domino's Pizza and The Sports Authority. They are successful and made lots of money.
Bain also aquired a lot of other companies, they loaded them up on debt and put them out of business.
If you loved ObamaCare, get ready for HillaryCare, coming really soon.
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Barney Frank and other liberals pushed for strict enforcement of the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act, which established backdoor racial quotas for the granting of loans, meaning that banks felt pressured to make these bad loans to minorities who otherwise didn't qualify, for fear of punishment. Then, in 2008, the defaulting began, and guess which loans were defaulting at a much higher rate?
Here is an article discussing it, from the Wall Street Journal: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...17091015102330
I'm sure you know about this, but are choosing to ignore it for partisan reasons.
I can admit that the repealing of Glass-Steagal was a mistake and contributed to the financial crisis of 2008. Why can't you admit that the actions of Frank and his cronies were also responsible?
I think you don't like acknowledging anything which gets in the way of your apparent obsession with blaming Bush for everything bad that happened in the 2000s.
2008's events were really the perfect storm of fail on both sides of the political aisle.
The 2007-2008 housing collapse was due to the loosening of credit. End of. Anyone who oversaw or enabled the loosening of credit standards is ultimately responsible for that particular crisis.
With regards to Hillary, I have to agree with Druff. What has been omitted concerning Hillary is the fact that she LOST in 2008. Americans don't like losers and surely the DNC realizes this. New candidates will appear and Hillary will not win the nomination because of all the baggage she carries. However, I think she would be a better President than Obama if elected.
Losing a primary isn't a big deal. Losing a general election is -- and only one person in recent history has overcome that and become President anyway. That was Richard Nixon, who honestly should have won in 1960 but was cheated out of the close election by Chicago and parts of Texas (especially Chicago). This is rarely talked about because JFK died a beloved figure, while Nixon became President anyway, and left the office in disgrace.
Anyway, there is a very high chance Hillary will be the nominee. I actually hope that Democratic strategists think like ToasterOven, and assume that there won't be any issues with her integrity during the campaign.
Druff, what are the scandals? I think the NSA data collection should be a scandal, but it won't be because Republicans like it, too. I think not using a government email at State should be a scandal, too, but the people that vote can't open their AOL email half the time and don't care about the issue.
Watergate is a scandal. The Chief of Staff went to jail, along with plenty of others. The president had to resign. Iran Contra was a scandal. People went to jail. Lewinsky was a scandal. The president was impeached. Benghazi is not a scandal. Partisan congressional investigations came up with nothing, more than once. It's something for dingdongs to send email forwards back and forth, not something that comes up in a an election.
I'm not a fan of Hillary, but she's thinking she isn't electable is crazypants.
I do not think we will see a Republican President in the next 50 years. The Liberal Democrats built an ecosystem of dependency that is near impossible to overcome. Everyone that gets a government check votes Democratic. Mix in illegal aliens and young women terrified of abortion laws, you have over 50% people voting. The good is these people do not vote in non-presidential years, so I expect the Republicans to hold the House for many, many years.
I can't control who is President, but I can control being on the right side of history. Lenin and Stalin never lost an election either, and look at Russia now. Obama and his far left brethren will end up on the scrap heap of history 100 years from now.
You see liberals deflect and redirect, it's what they do..watching liberals is like watching reruns of invasion of the body snatcher..there group thinkers..justify all they believe by using the modern day exception as the norm or call you some kind of "ism" "ist" or by talking about the crusades or something..it truly is a Borg hive mentality. They are insidious and lack any type of intellectual honesty..where you can see post in this forum of conservatives criticising there own ideology actually quite often, you will very rarely if ever see a liberal do the same..being in a room full of liberals is like Donald Sutherland being in a room of pod people or being in a room of brown shirts in Germany ...it's all about the ideological purity..very scary!! Ugly people!! Ideology over fact, logic or reason..in there minds the answer to failed liberalism is more liberalism..all over the world where there are mass graves you will find radical socialist, Marxist and authoritarian governments who all use this mindset about there ideology..
Misspelling scottrade and should have used vanguard. T.u. pooh..once I'm talking about fiscal discrimination to the body mass..just like Greece and when the citizens were discouraged from working because the tax code and regulations enslaved them the government brought in Albanian immigrants to take the jobs..cutting back on government pensions so the average taxpayer would benefit wasn't an option to authoritarian socialist governments..but you once again deflect and redirect with Romney's taxes avoiding the plight of 10,s of million private sector workers..if I were to say that affirmative action benefits middle class minorities and newly arrived immigrants OVER WORKING POOR WHITE AMERICANS..YOU WOULD REPLY SOMETHING ABOUT JIM CROW LAWS IGNORING WHAT THE PROGRESSIVE AGENDA IS DOING TO PEOPLE HERE AND NOW..10,s of million working poor people going to work all there life actually put a net plus in the system to end up poor..it's insidious but liberals won't even address that..why DO YOU THINK ELIZABETH WARREN SAID SHE WAS AN AMERICAN INDIAN ON HER COLLEGE APPLICATION..shit I put down other on a mta exam..I got 84 my black friend from a much wealthier family than I ,got 72.. they called him..lol
lol, this is fun!
ok, as long as you are in the admitting mood, I will admit something too:
both parties make mistakes, both parties suck:
but the Demo's suck dicks of people like me, and the Reps suck dicks of people like you...so when you talk, I instinctively put my hand on my wallet to make sure it is still there
have a nice day my friend!
Clinton DESTROYED Serbia..Milosevic was fighting Albanian,Serbian and Slavic Muslim forces that were remnants of the ottoman empire..what they are attempting to do in France they did to Milosevic..they were annexing his country, killing Christians and the Muslim parts of Serbia wanted to declare that part there's under sharia law..what did the Clinton s do...they bombed Milosevic into submission to allow the Muslim hordes there goals..Clinton instilled a media blackout in that war..they absolutely bombed civilian centers hospitals schools, apartment buildings even though Milosevic had a standing army...do your own research on NATO and the Serbian war as well as Clinton media blackout of the engagement... you liberals forgot as bout Clinton s war.