Thanks herbetstemple, made some unsuccesfull attempts but I'll work on it and get it done..thanks for the education..AS FOR THE OTHER 2..you have yet to offer anything of substance in counter to my debate..you pick on grammer and the like, HOW TYPICLE.. When I was just a waiter in Manhattan. If the room was of generally conservative crowd they were good tippers and not demanding at all. They had a general respect for a bunch of kids who were I working there way through school. Very. Encouraging.. When we had a crowd that was more liberal like wiengarden the HEAD OF THE TEACHERS UNION.. They were horrible tippers and did nothing but complain..HMMM JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.