Anyone using e-cigs or vaping instead of smoking cigarettes?

Just stopping in to say that after spending 5 days in CO with friends for some Phish shows, half of our group were using vape pens with hash oil or wax. For about 30-50 for the pen, and 50 for replacement cartridges that last about 200 puffs, these guys have a great alternative to inconspicuously trying to take a hit off a bowl or one hitter.

We had one inside a venue the other day here in Chicago for Govt Mule and security just assumed it was an ecig. Just a small puff of smoke afterwards...they have no idea what these things are. You press the button in the center (which will light up), and the coils apparently heat up the hash/wax and take a 2-5 second puff, then let go of the button (which will still glow for another 2 seconds, so you may want to keep that covered with your finger until over).

Highly recommended. People will mail out filled replacement carts for $50 for you from there if you can find the right connections.

For those using ecigs in Los Angeles in bars and restaurants they have banned that activity which baffles me.

http://healthland.time.com/2014/03/0...ban-to-e-cigs/

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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker

For those using ecigs in Los Angeles in bars and restaurants they have banned that activity which baffles me.

http://healthland.time.com/2014/03/0...ban-to-e-cigs/

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Second hand vapor is completely harmless. You'll still find people that feign irritation at it, either out of ignorance or overbearing disapproval. You know, the sort of people that would like to ban baggy pants or PDA.

That said, my guess is that tobacco lobbyists are largest influence on these sort of decisions.

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Originally Posted by DRK Star

Just stopping in to say that after spending 5 days in CO with friends for some Phish shows, half of our group were using vape pens with hash oil or wax. For about 30-50 for the pen, and 50 for replacement cartridges that last about 200 puffs, these guys have a great alternative to inconspicuously trying to take a hit off a bowl or one hitter.

We had one inside a venue the other day here in Chicago for Govt Mule and security just assumed it was an ecig. Just a small puff of smoke afterwards...they have no idea what these things are. You press the button in the center (which will light up), and the coils apparently heat up the hash/wax and take a 2-5 second puff, then let go of the button (which will still glow for another 2 seconds, so you may want to keep that covered with your finger until over).

Highly recommended. People will mail out filled replacement carts for $50 for you from there if you can find the right connections.

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I haven't been to a concert in a while but the ones I did attend had joints and blunts going around non stop. This doesn't happen now?

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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker

For those using ecigs in Los Angeles in bars and restaurants they have banned that activity which baffles me.

http://healthland.time.com/2014/03/0...ban-to-e-cigs/

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Second hand vapor is completely harmless. You'll still find people that feign irritation at it, either out of ignorance or overbearing disapproval. You know, the sort of people that would like to ban baggy pants or PDA.

That said, my guess is that tobacco lobbyists are largest influence on these sort of decisions.

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The only legitimate reason that places may not want to allow e-cigs is from a distance (especially in dark settings) they appear to look real. A place may not want to look around all over for someone who might light up a real one or think the law will allow them to since hey see other people vaping but don't realize it's just that and might think they are smoking if seeing the person from a distance.

In a heavily traveled area especially with a lot of International tourism such as LA politicians might think they are avoiding confusion by eliminating e-cig usage. Is this the right way to go about it? No, and I'm a non-smoker who was even against banning "real" smoking in bars and bar/restaurants but felt people shouldn't have to deal with that in family places like a McDonalds, Dennys, and similar places where you can be out in less than an hour.

Of course like you said lobbyists are a big part since they control politicians who will fight anything when money is thrown their way.

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

Second hand vapor is completely harmless.

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So is smog harmless? I don't know the makeup of the vapor you are talking about but if it's harmful first hand it is harmful second hand.

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

Second hand vapor is completely harmless.

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So is smog harmless? I don't know the makeup of the vapor you are talking about but if it's harmful first hand it is harmful second hand.

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Chemistry is not my strong suit, so I can't explain to you in great detail the difference between smoke and vapor (such as water vapor), but I'm sure you're aware there is a distinction.

Much research has been done on the effects of inhaling chemical smog and second-hand cigarette smoke. Both are clearly harmful. Cigarette smoke contains tar and various carcinogens in addition to nicotine. Ecig vapor just contains nicotine. It also lacks the sidestream that cigarettes produce. Little research has been done on the effects of inhaling second-hand nicotine vapor, so I could be wrong that it's completely harmless, but what little research I have seen suggests that it's no more harmful than having other humans breathe and fart around you.

mcig.com

used this thing this past weekend. Its great. I put a very sticky type of weed in it though (ICE); I would use something a little less sticky. Its $10 + 3 for shipping. Looks like a small ecig


Edit: Britney, lots of joints going around too, but in CO, everyone is smoking wax now (MUCH MUCH more potent than just smoking a bowl) so they just put that gooey shit in a vape pen and its much easier and cheaper with less waste than a bowl or joint.

I've been vaping for 2 years. No analog cigarettes since March of 2012. It made it very easy for me to completely kick a pack-a-day Marlboro Lights habit (20+ years).

If it helps, I will give you the specs of the PV I've used that worked wonders for me:

1100 mah batteries (EGO, KGO are both good brands...Riva is good, too)...Get something between 3.7 volt & 4.5 volts or so..
1.8 ohm vision single-coil cartomizer that screws onto the battery....Try for roughly half the ohms as the voltage of the battery you're using for a satisfying throat hit.

I use VG (vegetable glycerin) juice...Thick and viscous compared to PG (propylene glycol), but I am a bit allergic to PG and VG works just as well..

Pina colada, Summerberry, Hot cocoa, and apple pie are favorite juice flavors.

Never ever going back to cigarettes again. Started at 24 mg nicotine levels, scaled down to 18 mg, and will continue to scale down over time.

Been in casinos many times over the past two years. Never was tempted to smoke in the slightest.

Vaping is a godsend for me.

If you need more details or help with some starter specs just PM me.

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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker

For those using ecigs in Los Angeles in bars and restaurants they have banned that activity which baffles me.

http://healthland.time.com/2014/03/0...ban-to-e-cigs/

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Same liberal whack jobs that started the Temperance Movement that banned alcohol. Need to round these government=religion wierdos up and ship 'em to Canada.

As for vapes, they're pretty cool. Still waiting for one that I can chomp on like a Cuban cigar tho.

I realize this thread is more general interest & politically-oriented concerning vaping.

However, on a personal level I just tried this hot cocoa juice I had steeped for a couple weeks in a dark cedarwood drawer and it is SOOOO damn good!! So smooth with just the right subtle hints of sweet marshmallow chocolate; it's like a taste of heaven with every vape.

For the uninitiated, steeping your juice is simply leaving the cap off the top so that air enters the bottle. Squeeze the bottle occasionally to replace the empty air on top. It really makes for kickass flavors if you are patient enough.

Man, was it worth the wait! I'll be one sad puppy when this bottle finishes.

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

Second hand vapor is completely harmless. You'll still find people that feign irritation at it, either out of ignorance or overbearing disapproval. You know, the sort of people that would like to ban baggy pants or PDA.

That said, my guess is that tobacco lobbyists are largest influence on these sort of decisions.

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The only legitimate reason that places may not want to allow e-cigs is from a distance (especially in dark settings) they appear to look real. A place may not want to look around all over for someone who might light up a real one or think the law will allow them to since hey see other people vaping but don't realize it's just that and might think they are smoking if seeing the person from a distance.

In a heavily traveled area especially with a lot of International tourism such as LA politicians might think they are avoiding confusion by eliminating e-cig usage. Is this the right way to go about it? No, and I'm a non-smoker who was even against banning "real" smoking in bars and bar/restaurants but felt people shouldn't have to deal with that in family places like a McDonalds, Dennys, and similar places where you can be out in less than an hour.

Of course like you said lobbyists are a big part since they control politicians who will fight anything when money is thrown their way.

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Agree with the bold part, and also I would toss in the smell from some of them can travel the same as a cig or cigar.

But really, it is L.A., is it that hard to step outside for nicotine? It's not like having to go outside in January in like Minnesota or something.

I'm also not a smoker (I do dip though) and I generally was in favor of the smoking bans at first. However, after xx amount of years of it going, most bars/restaurants have realized that their business has been unaffected by it, and in a lot of cases actually gone up. I'm fairly certain that if it stopped being a law now here where I live, probably 80-90% of places would remain non-smoking anyway, and the rest could have a niche market for people who enjoy the old smoke-filled pubs. Of course the issue there then is the staff working at the smokey places.....

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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker

The only legitimate reason that places may not want to allow e-cigs is from a distance (especially in dark settings) they appear to look real. A place may not want to look around all over for someone who might light up a real one or think the law will allow them to since hey see other people vaping but don't realize it's just that and might think they are smoking if seeing the person from a distance.

In a heavily traveled area especially with a lot of International tourism such as LA politicians might think they are avoiding confusion by eliminating e-cig usage. Is this the right way to go about it? No, and I'm a non-smoker who was even against banning "real" smoking in bars and bar/restaurants but felt people shouldn't have to deal with that in family places like a McDonalds, Dennys, and similar places where you can be out in less than an hour.

Of course like you said lobbyists are a big part since they control politicians who will fight anything when money is thrown their way.

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Agree with the bold part, and also I would toss in the smell from some of them can travel the same as a cig or cigar.

But really, it is L.A., is it that hard to step outside for nicotine? It's not like having to go outside in January in like Minnesota or something.

I'm also not a smoker (I do dip though) and I generally was in favor of the smoking bans at first. However, after xx amount of years of it going, most bars/restaurants have realized that their business has been unaffected by it, and in a lot of cases actually gone up. I'm fairly certain that if it stopped being a law now here where I live, probably 80-90% of places would remain non-smoking anyway, and the rest could have a niche market for people who enjoy the old smoke-filled pubs. Of course the issue there then is the staff working at the smokey places.....

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I live not too far from Ohio and when they passed the law to ban smoking in all bars and restaurants it killed the business for many of them especially the local hole in the wall type of bars. I have a few friends who played in a band with a regular gig four or five nights a week which the bar lost so much business that they had their job cut as well. It's not easy to get a dedicated gig like that as many places will give you a night or two but nothing like several nights a week every week. The law was voted and shot down several times for years before finally the people pushing for it in Ohio got it to pass and once it's in they can forget about it.

Here in Michigan when it passed it hurt bars initially and a few closed that I know of around me but now people have become accepting of the law. The problem I have with the law in smaller bar establishments is I feel it should be up to the owner whether you can smoke or not. If you have ran a place for 30 years and now the state says no more smoking allowed it's kind of shitty when it was allowed forever to take it away now. On the flip side I'm sure some restaurants and bars were quietly happy about this passing because they didn't like smoking but since it was allowed everywhere else they felt they had to cater to these people or lose that business. By passing the law the playing field is level now.

What gets on my nerves is that people can smoke in casinos here in Michigan IF the casino allows you to do so. The reason this annoys me is if your going to have a smoking ban everywhere but allow it in casinos that don't seem right to me but obviously their is big tax dollars in casino revenues so the state will look the other way and cater to smokers with open arms for greater financial gain.

sick bump here. 17 months tomorrow cig free. vaping is god?

kinda embarrassing that vwls vapes n-word weed wasnt a tag until today

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Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatire

kinda embarrassing that vwls vapes n-word weed wasnt a tag until today

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Jimmy boy look at your post count.


FUCK THE FREE WORLD

I'm vaping a bad ass rock right now, does that count?

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Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps

sick bump here. 17 months tomorrow cig free. vaping is god?

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Here's your other, newer vaping thread, Chaps: http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...-cigs-w-vaping

Vaping still Godly. Over 4 years cig free for me now. Down to 12mg nic fluid..

FDA is about to clamp down big time on vape shops/manufacturers in the few months, tho. Going to stock up a bit on supplies here in US.

lol vwls lol chaps's teeth

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Originally Posted by Benford

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Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps

sick bump here. 17 months tomorrow cig free. vaping is god?

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Here's your other, newer vaping thread, Chaps: http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...-cigs-w-vaping

Vaping still Godly. Over 4 years cig free for me now. Down to 12mg nic fluid..

FDA is about to clamp down big time on vape shops/manufacturers in the few months, tho. Going to stock up a bit on supplies here in US.

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12mg? shit. the best stuff is 6 n 3.. i use a 6 with a rta and a rda