dude its a coin flip that the opening shot next week is jon standing over arya's corpse. expect nothing but disappointment, is my advice.
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dude its a coin flip that the opening shot next week is jon standing over arya's corpse. expect nothing but disappointment, is my advice.
"Sure, she can rule over the ashes as Queen of Bones, but as much as the show wants us to think that she's gone Lawful Evil, this is some Chaotic Evil shit for sure. She's not a good guy gone bad, doing terrible things because the ends justify the means; she's the Joker, robbing a bank and then setting all the money on fire just to watch it burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Daenerys is not a good guy gone bad, doing terrible things because the ends justify the means; she's the Joker, robbing a bank and then setting all the money on fire just to watch it burn. If that feels like a nonsensical and unsatisfying conclusion to the narrative arc of a beloved character, wait till you get a load of Arya!"
Ouch. Tough but fair though.
slate had a decent opinion piece, stating that the writers are cleanly going For surprise (wtf moments) over substance, which is definitely fair
another interesting point made in that article is that by doing so, the show might be the last television series that we as a nation collectively watch together when it airs live . Hell I turned off my the 76ers-raptors game seven to watch Game of Thrones because I was not going to have the end spoiled for me.
I hope there’s more shows like this in the future but I’m not optimistic. maybe all of the spinoffs they’re doing
CHERNOBYL IS GOD, GOT IS 4 FAGS
Sorry, Breaking Bad was the best show ever. I’m going with a long shot, and my favorite character, Arya, to sit on the Iron Throne.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
ROFL. I just saw the articles announcing that. It's obvious these nerds were trying to finish whatever contract they were under. I don't blame them for probably making 5-10x more off of one movie than they made for the entire run of this show, but this failure of a final season is what they'll be remembered for. I seriously think Blake is the only person across, forums, social media and real life I've encountered that's defending this joke. I wouldn't want these guys doing shit with Star Wars if I were Disney. I don't think these guys can create without an overly detailed manual from a full blown autist.Quote:
Originally Posted by RealTalkLol these guys are doing a star wars trilogy next so have fun with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by VaughnP
quick reminder that vaughn believes that any ending where jon is king is too obvious. and sadly, vaughn is far too representative of internet nerdsQuote:
Originally Posted by VaughnPROFL. I just saw the articles announcing that. It's obvious these nerds were trying to finish whatever contract they were under. I don't blame them for probably making 5-10x off of one movie that they made for the entire run of this show, but this failure of a final season is what they'll be remembered for. I seriously think Blake is the only person across, forums, social media and real life I've encountered that's defending this joke. I wouldn't want these guys doing shit with Star Wars if I were Disney. I don't think these guys can create without an overly detailed manual from a full blown autist.Quote:
Originally Posted by RealTalk
and you guys wonder why the writers feel the need to throw absurd surprises out there.
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underrated post right here folks
pfa readers likely have no idea who vaughnp, which is understandable. please keep in mind that vaughn is the poker forum equivalent of skip bayless who insists on having contrarian shit takes on literally every subject. it's honestly nauseating.Quote:
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but yeah vaughn, i'm the only one who's enjoyed this season
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all comments from this thread about this season
and, again, i didn't even like what they did to dany in the end. and also holy fuck is this season rushed.
but to say this season hasn't been overall entertaining just makes you a douchebag.
Are you incapable of seeing things as a whole? Of course there were moments people enjoyed, but the season was a plane heading towards a mountain and this last episode just tanked the entire thing to point of crash survivors turning to cannibalism. It's like seeing an attractive looking girl in a dark club only later to realize that it's actually a dude with a dick on closer inspection.
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Originally Posted by blake
The season has been a spectacle. Whether that is a good or bad thing is completely subjective.
What's not really debatable is that the quality of writing and justification for certain plot elements has been complete dogshit.
To be fair it's been like this for numerous seasons but it was always going to stand out more, and be critiqued to a higher degree, in a truncated final season. They left too many plot threads unresolved to be handled in a 6 episode finale, even though they were offered 10.
Its literally his only take on any media topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
nah, the fact that dany went crazy doesn't change the way people thought about prior episodes and that a ton of people have enjoyed this season as i've pointed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by VaughnP
lol at the dany heel turn causing everyone to get caught up in their feelings cause they're not getting the ending they like.
i actually think the writers have done as good a job as possible wrapping up everything in 6 episodes, considering how extensive the storylines have beenQuote:
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Originally Posted by blake
The season has been a spectacle. Whether that is a good or bad thing is completely subjective.
What's not really debatable is that the quality of writing and justification for certain plot elements has been complete dogshit.
To be fair it's been like this for numerous seasons but it was always going to stand out more, and be critiqued to a higher degree, in a truncated final season. They left too many plot threads unresolved to be handled in a 6 episode finale, even though they were offered 10.
of course, adding 3 more seasons would have been the optimal play
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so where was the surprise?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gulVUWrADCM
was there any real doubt how that vision was going to come to pass?
That's fine and all, but don't blame the people that are unhappy with the final product for being pissed the showrunners chose to go this route. It was their decision. Not the viewers.
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so where was the surprise?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gulVUWrADCM
was there any real doubt how that vision was going to come to pass?
be honest....
did you think that was snow or ash when you first saw it?
i thought the general consensus was that was snow, reflecting a premonition either about jon or the night king.
did the books make clear that was ash?
Literally no one is surprised by Dany turning mad queen. That's been basically the biggest theory related to the show outside of r+l=j. Everyone has known that's been in play the entire show even if the writers flat out lie about it in post production commentary.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakenah, the fact that dany went crazy doesn't change the way people thought about prior episodes and that a ton of people have enjoyed this season as i've pointed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by VaughnP
lol at the dany heel turn causing everyone to get caught up in their feelings cause they're not getting the ending they like.
The issue is that it was executed with the gracefulness of a WWE house show. The fact that you can accurately equate Dany going full mad queen to a "heel turn" is the problem.
i didn't love it, but as a counterpoint, part of what's made GOT great is the surprises. if you all saw dany literally burning every civilian to the ground for no reason, more power to you. i didn't see that happeningQuote:
Originally Posted by RealTalkLiterally no one is surprised by Dany turning mad queen. That's been basically the biggest theory related to the show outside of r+l=j. Everyone has known that's been in play the entire show even if the writers flat out lie about it in post production commentary.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
The issue is that it was executed with the gracefulness of a WWE house show. The fact that you can accurately equate Dany going full mad queen to a "heel turn" is the problem.
i also didn't think it was atrocious from a storyline perspective either, but to each his own i guess
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Originally Posted by blakei didn't love it, but as a counterpoint, part of what's made GOT great is the surprises. if you all saw dany literally burning every civilian to the ground for no reason, more power to you. i didn't see that happeningQuote:
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i also didn't think it was atrocious from a storyline perspective either, but to each his own i guess
no one saw her going ham on civilians, everyone who paid attention to the visions/prophesies saw her razing kings landing. that sort of thing.
rephrase: im sure a lot of people expected her to go mad queen but the prophesies indicated clearly that someone sacked kings landing, be it her or night kings army. and the remainder of the visions/prophesies (in the show) implied strongly it wasnt NK.
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Originally Posted by blake
pretty sure its snow, revealing that someone (she of course) razed kings landing and has let in the snow, and that the snow is synonymous with not just winter obviously but more often the north. note that shes hesitant to touch the throne, perhaps because shes aware of the gravity of her actions.
also note that my comments about the iron throne being buried are likely wrong.
also if you go through the whole house of the undying visons/prophesy schtick, things do not look great for jon snow. we are told there will be three treasons against her;
- witch who killed her bae [ blood betrayal ]
- the slave pit master who worked with the harpys to poison her [ gold betrayal ]
- ? = love betrayal
i mean, it could be tyrion letting his brother go (she told him point blank if he fucks around again shes frying him and he fucked around again thinking offering her a bloodless path to the throne would get him off the hook, so gg tyrion) but thats hardly a treason.
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drogon is an idiosyncrasy that has to be resolved for any sort of balance to return to the kingdom, and likely he's also developed a taste for scorched human flesh thanks to his mothers awesome impulse control.
the one ending that seems like it can make any fucking sense at all is jon slays the dragon [ third betrayal, for love, because the dragon is the key to destroying winterfell / sansa / everyone else with a moral compass ], grey worm facetanks jon as they already have beef according to the look he shot him during the sacking of kings landing, and then dany self sacrifices via blood magic to bring jon back, who now satisfies the prince who was promised prophesy.
which would make a lot more sense if the night king was still alive but here we are.
I agree with the Jamie point, but marked it up as Euron just finished swimming back to shore fully clothed so was physically drained.Quote:
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As for Grey Worm, the whole lot are supposed to be incapable of feelings due to their training, basically robot soldiers.
Kings Landing is completely destroyed. Sansa is going to rule from Winterfell. Jon is going to escape the throne by going far north to join the wildlings. Grey Worm is def going to die, because he literally has no story left at this point once Dany is dead.
My only other prediction is they kill the dragon and escape back to Winterfell and the North vs South starts all over again. It ends with the cycle repeating. Plus that gives them an opening if they ever want to cash in on a movie.
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Originally Posted by FR1GHTI agree with the Jamie point, but marked it up as Euron just finished swimming back to shore fully clothed so was physically drained.Quote:
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As for Grey Worm, the whole lot are supposed to be incapable of feelings due to their training, basically robot soldiers.
its worth noting that grey worm tossing the cuff into the fire with dany could be construed as an understanding between them that missandei's last wish ("dracarys..") would be honored.
but again that would not really explain going after the civilian population of kings landing, which is exactly what they did.
Calm down, nerds.
i get the sense that grey worm wasn't exactly unhappy with burning everyoneQuote:
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its worth noting that grey worm tossing the cuff into the fire with dany could be construed as an understanding between them that missandei's last wish ("dracarys..") would be honored.
but again that would not really explain going after the civilian population of kings landing, which is exactly what they did.
also lets not overlook the notes that varys burned. it could have been the note he wrote earlier but i think its somehow more likely that its a response from whoever read the note he wrote.
assumption; iron bank?
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Originally Posted by sonatine
don't tell me there's some fag from the forums named after this faggot shit???
absolutely depise this show cuz some scene of some faggot giving a monologue about dragons was the first thing I saw at a buddies house who said it was sweet show. also she never actually gets naked here. HOW LONG DO I HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS FAGGOT TALK BEFORE SEEING SOME ACTION?!?! man my blood must have been boiling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDh4emnpTlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amArH3ucEYU
its just kind of indicative of whats rubbing so many people raw; grrm created a world with an actual lord of light who resurrects people, a night king who lived for thousands of years while plotting to destroy that world, and by all appearances the last 4.5 hours of the entire series is about politics, relationships, and mental health.
again, here's to this being proven wrong, but ugh its not looking good.
I read that shit 10 years ago and dont remember anything from that scene. Who the fuck knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
it's weird. i think it's snow too but just about every tv critic out there is talking about how we assumed it was snow, but it was really ash.Quote:
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pretty sure its snow, revealing that someone (she of course) razed kings landing and has let in the snow, and that the snow is synonymous with not just winter obviously but more often the north. note that shes hesitant to touch the throne, perhaps because shes aware of the gravity of her actions.
i don't agree, but just google ash and throne and this theory is everywhere
its a nice touch if its ash but i feel like somehow that would have been made clearer a long time ago?..Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeit's weird. i think it's snow too but just about every tv critic out there is talking about how we assumed it was snow, but it was really ash.Quote:
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i don't agree, but just google ash and throne and this theory is everywhere
exactly no one thought it was ash when it aired. fuck time to crack open the book.
Watching the vision again after episode 5 I still think it is snow and the symbolism is she sacked Kings landing, and now she is in the throne room with Snow(Jon). Can look deeper into her behavior around the throne and the 2nd part of her vision and start to make some assumptions if that is what is/was being symbolized at the time.
If it's ash then obviously queen of ashes the whole time yadda yadda
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if you listen to the commentary track on “Valar Morghulis,” you’ll hear actress Emilia Clarke and the episode’s director Alan Taylor refer to the substance in that scene as “snow.” They make several references to how they filmed it like it was snow, and Taylor even says the scene looks like “Christmas.” It’s hard to tell, exactly, but it even looks like there are icicles hanging off the pillars of the room.
What’s more, showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss didn’t know Martin’s intended ending until after season three, when they sat down with the author to plot out the rest of the series. It’s possible they had received certain hints that Dany would turn, or inferred for themselves, but it’s also possible the snow on the throne was signaling something else: Jon’s parentage.
bruh this is a fuckin mess.