actually a high % of Africans refuse to take itQuote:
Originally Posted by dwai
LET'S VACCINATE AFRICA!!Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
oh wait there's no money in that
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actually a high % of Africans refuse to take itQuote:
Originally Posted by dwaiLET'S VACCINATE AFRICA!!Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
oh wait there's no money in that
Actually death rates in Africa low compared to most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Eisenhoweractually a high % of Africans refuse to take itQuote:
Originally Posted by dwai
Actually something else is going on…
:lol2
just like the original, Delta and every other doomer "variant" they've "discovered"
won't stop liberal lunatic governors from trying more mandates and from dumb fuck Joe Biden from trying to mandate the vaccine even though the courts told him to go fuck himself.
or idiots like BCR and khalwat from posting mask, social distancing, lockdown and vaccine propaganda
GET YOUR BOOSTERS YALL
:lol2
Be sweet if catching mild omicron provides immunity to all strains
New variant already in my city. Seems like it’s probably already all over the places. Not overly worried about it. Except for government choosing to sit down the province again….
I had to get tested last week. Having a child in daycare sucks. Those kids just pass whatever the hell around non stop.
Looks like this is just fake news, and an excuse to bury the Wisconsin BLM domestic terrorist mass murder story and make sure the Maxwell trial never becomes a story.
:thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
and to keep the doomers like BCR and sonatine scared
Lol at Biden address of omnicrap. People are over this shit. Hang it up loser. Rubes.
Nah doesn’t sound scary enough is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
they need it for fear and control, a scapegoat to blame their disastrous policy and administrative changes on, when it tanks the economy and drives inflation to levels we haven't seen in 30 years and of course, to milk that big pharma money on vaccine and boosters to idiot drones for lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
NY governor just hit the panic button and banned "elective surgeries" when hospitals are higher than 90% capacity.
This is dumb, and will kill people. Why?
1) Elective surgeries aren't what most people think. While some elective surgery can easily be delayed, such as cosmetic surgery, other elective surgeries are correcting potentially life-threatening issues, which aren't urgent in the "we must do it today and not tomorrow" way, but in the "if we delay this, the chance of this killing you goes up every day" way.
2) Hospital "capacity" has always been fuzzy math, as it's a function of beds, employees, and other factors. You picture 90% capacity as 90% of every bed in the hospital being full of patients with urgent need, but that's not true. Often entire sections are closed due to staffing issues, and other times recovering patients are hogging up beds, but could otherwise be safely released if the space were needed.
3) NY fired a bunch of unvaccinated staff, and that has contributed big time to staff shortages. Maybe time to hire them back, if staffing is such an issue?
In general, the government shouldn't be making policy about who hospitals can and can't see. If they feel we're getting close to needing such measures, why isn't any kind of real emergency action (staffing up, auxiliary hospitals, etc) being taken?
I've been interested in two factors regarding Omnicron:
1) Is it actually milder than Delta? Initial reports say yes, but we should approach that with caution, as most of these "mild" patients have been under 30 -- an age group which usually experiences mild symptoms anyway.
2) If Moderna and Pfizer are working on an Omnicron vaccine, why is Biden telling everyone to get their booster? Won't they need the Omnicron version anyway, soon enough?
You might say that, with Delta being almost 100% of current US cases, it's wise advice to get the booster now anyway, even if Omnicron will bust through it if/when it gets here. If you're looking for the optimal advice for individuals, that's true. However, from a public policy standpoint, it's the wrong messaging.
The government needs to avoid vaccine fatigue. There has never been a situation like this in the history of vaccination where people have to keep going back for new shots, multiple times per year. These shots also aren't trivial -- many get quite sick from them, myself included.
Therefore, if the real belief is that people will need an Omnicron shot in, say, 3 months or so, you don't want to tell them to get their boosters now of the original shot. They're just going to be tired of the whole thing by the time the (possibly more necessary) Omnicron shot comes around. The booster seems to do a great job at preventing symptomatic illness of mild-to-midgrade level, but doesn't do a lot to prevent death or hospitalization. It seems the first two shots do fine to hold back the really major problems, and the booster is what you take to prevent getting sick at all (and possibly to avoid long COVID, such as lung damage).
So while the booster is nice to have, from a public health perspective, it isn't super important right now. If the Omnicron shot is going to be more important than the booster, it is stupid for the government to be pushing the booster at the moment.
The problem is that Biden (and the left in general) is so used to reflexively saying, "Get your vaccine!!!!111" that it's like muscle memory at this point, and they aren't bothering to think beyond what they can see directly in front of their noses.
druff I love you and you're a good guy but I don't want your fox news outrage porn.
you have bought into this pandemic hook line and sinker from day one. even after it became clear it wasn't even deadly. you skew numbers to make it seem like people from 35 to 45 is a huge difference. IT'S NOT.
you're a relatively healthy guy in your 50s(I know I'm early) and you're not fat, you'll be fine, you've been playing both sides of the fence on this since 2021, you have 2 vaccines and a booster, you don't get to call anything out. you are a covid casualty
Final rant.
Initially I dismissed Omnicron as another lol variant, of which we've heard much panic and don't amount to anything.
However, I've learned to watch the actions of three entities, to better understand what is REALLY going on:
1) Moderna
2) Pfizer
3) Israel
You've heard the phrase, "Actions speak louder than words"? Well, that's been very true regarding COVID.
This is the first time I've seen real action from Moderna and Pfizer, regarding making a different vaccine for a variant. This would seem to indicate that these companies know there's a good chance their present vaccine doesn't work well for Omnicron, so they're scrambling to create a new vaccine. While there was some light talk about doing this for Delta (which ended up not being necessary), it seemed to be more in the exploratory phase, but never taken seriously. This seems more serious.
Israel needs to be watched because they are a small, modern, technologically-advanced country, which can act on things faster than the large, bureaucratic US. Israel was the first to get their population largely vaxxed. They were the first to get the booster distributed -- both initially and to the general population. They were the first to do studies on the booster's efficacy -- something initially dismissed by the US, and now acknowledged to be correct (basically that the booster does a great job at holding back symptomatic COVID with Delta). While the US was telling its citizens that nobody needs a booster until 8 months have passed, Israel was insisting that 6 months was the right number, and that the booster works. Well, lo and behold, now the US is saying the same thing.
Israel, while dealing with simialr left/right political bickering as we see in the US, is also better at acting in the country's best interest in major matters. They have to, because they are constantly under attack by their neighbors. This allows them to make quick, informed decisions on matters like COVID, which is more data-driven than politically driven. They have fallen prey to the cult of the mask (they have a mask mandate again, including outdoors with more than 100 people, which is idiotic), but aside from that, they've been pretty smart regarding COVID.
Anyway, I see an Omnicron vaccine in our early 2022 future, which sucks. I also think it's going to be hard to convince most of the US population to take it, since people will already be fresh off the present booster, and many will just say fuck it. There's already a large contingent of people who don't want to take more COVID vaccines because of the bad side effects they get from it.
COVID is the third highest cause of death for people 45-54, and not a distant third. In the past year, it was just a little bit behind heart disease.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
Compare that to kids and people under 30, where COVID deaths are incredibly rare, and thus there should be no panic.
I'm using raw numbers here, not quoting the biased political takes, as both sides are wrong about COVID. The right is largely trying to make COVID look like a non-issue and a non-danger, whereas the left is largely trying to incite constant panic as a means to win elections and bring on unrelated social change.
This is why I got three shots myself (something the left has been urging), yet am totally against vaccine mandates and masks in schools for kids (a position the left hates).
I also think cloth masks are a bullshit security blanket, and lockdowns just hurt the economy and don't work.
This isn't talking out of both sides of my mouth. This is following the data and using common sense.
Saying, "I don't need no vaccine, my immune system works fine!!!" isn't common sense, when almost everyone dying of COVID presently is unvaccinated. That's ignoring the obvious data.
Saying, "WE MUST VACCINATE AND MASK OUR KIDS IN SCHOOL FOR SAFFFFFFEETTYYY!!!" also isn't common sense, as we have tens of millions of kids in elementary schools, none of whom are vaccinated, and not a single student-caused school outbreak in 3 months.
I refuse to buy into either side's idiocy, and I'm thinking for myself here.
This is the logic I use to convince other conservatives my age to get vaccinated. They are constantly battered over the head with lies from the left/media, and they think, "Well, I know I'm being lied to, so the vaccine must also be bullshit, just like my conservative friends are telling me."
I tell them that the left is full of shit with a lot of their COVID dogma, but they happen to be right about the vaccine thing.
Again, just follow the data and you'll get the truth in a lot of this.
Lol Druff getting cucked by dwai and rolling up his sleeve for that booster.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE
Oh no, Omicron. 😂😂😂😂🙄🙄
A bunch of bullshit...
Feel bad for all the suckers being guinea pigs for big pharma. Big time suckers.
For the gamblers, punters and haters
Dow futures down more than 300 points on omicron Covid uncertainty
This is the overnight trading leading into tomorrow.
and in the meantime there will be yet another variant. the public will ratchet back some service based activities but still far better than year over year. In the big picture nobody gives a shit cause we are learning to live in a (post) Covid world. We ain’t never going back to 1994 and we know it.Quote:
The reversal came after Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel told the Financial Times that he expects existing vaccines to be less effective against the new variant. Bancel told CNBC on Monday that it could take months to develop and ship an omicron specific vaccine.
Fed was supposed to taper off the ridiculous asset purchases but left the door open to changing that policy. Well, of course somethin was gonna come up.
The door is wide open to shenanigans. Did you have Thanksgiving at the home of a billionaire asset manager like Biden? Oh, no phone calls happening there. Strictly platonic.
They have absolutely no clue. We are beyond full employment. We are white fucking hot with cash. This alarmist shit is a fake punt.
The game is so so sweet. When will there be enough newly minted billionaires during the grand giveaway?
The messaging is absolute opportunistic horseshit.
This whole Covid deal has thrown the door open to some incredible fuckery. I’m not gonna reiterate the story about Biden’s nominee for Comptroller of the Currency.
From the Senate confirmation hearing:
Some of the economic central planning shit she has written about simply defies belief.Quote:
"Senator, I'm Not a Communist"
Transformative simply doesn’t do justice to what is in the works. The reality gets lost in the nonsense political tribalism… again the weaponizing of Covid to achieve wealth and change
the pendulum is swinging in an unsavory direction.
people are internalizing that none of the controls suggested (masks, distancing) are binary, they are all just carbon rods being slammed into a runaway reactor and we were too slow and had too few.
so now, because we lack the intellectual vocabulary to express things in non-binary terms, they are being rejected as pseudoscience.
every infected person is a lottery ticket that generates more lottery tickets. the prize is royal flush strains racking up millions of dead/disabled people. the irony is that neither we nor the virus want that but its exactly what we will both get, eventually.
the math is the math, its inescapable.
hashtags of the future: quarantine, lockdown, AI farming, AI supply chains, remote enforcement, unrest, martial law, mass graves
Regarding banning elective surgery, during the Covid panic last year my dentist banned appointments unless there was emergencies. I had an infected tooth at the time, decided to tough it out. Big mistake. Earlier this year I had to have my tooth removed, and I just got an implant. Great thing is the implant is considered elective by my insurance, so I am stuck over $2,500 for the procedure. So the extraction is covered at $300 and the fake tooth so I can eat is not. Makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Yeah the ban on non-emergency dental procedures fucked me, too. That root canal I got in November 2020 was a result of not taking care of a cavity I had intended to have filled in March.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullRegarding banning elective surgery, during the Covid panic last year my dentist banned appointments unless there was emergencies. I had an infected tooth at the time, decided to tough it out. Big mistake. Earlier this year I had to have my tooth removed, and I just got an implant. Great thing is the implant is considered elective by my insurance, so I am stuck over $2,500 for the procedure. So the extraction is covered at $300 and the fake tooth so I can eat is not. Makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Cost me thousands, and more importantly was very unpleasant.
Sad!
falseQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffCOVID is the third highest cause of death for people 45-54, and not a distant third. In the past year, it was just a little bit behind heart disease.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
Compare that to kids and people under 30, where COVID deaths are incredibly rare, and thus there should be no panic.
I'm using raw numbers here, not quoting the biased political takes, as both sides are wrong about COVID. The right is largely trying to make COVID look like a non-issue and a non-danger, whereas the left is largely trying to incite constant panic as a means to win elections and bring on unrelated social change.
This is why I got three shots myself (something the left has been urging), yet am totally against vaccine mandates and masks in schools for kids (a position the left hates).
I also think cloth masks are a bullshit security blanket, and lockdowns just hurt the economy and don't work.
This isn't talking out of both sides of my mouth. This is following the data and using common sense.
Saying, "I don't need no vaccine, my immune system works fine!!!" isn't common sense, when almost everyone dying of COVID presently is unvaccinated. That's ignoring the obvious data.
Saying, "WE MUST VACCINATE AND MASK OUR KIDS IN SCHOOL FOR SAFFFFFFEETTYYY!!!" also isn't common sense, as we have tens of millions of kids in elementary schools, none of whom are vaccinated, and not a single student-caused school outbreak in 3 months.
I refuse to buy into either side's idiocy, and I'm thinking for myself here.
This is the logic I use to convince other conservatives my age to get vaccinated. They are constantly battered over the head with lies from the left/media, and they think, "Well, I know I'm being lied to, so the vaccine must also be bullshit, just like my conservative friends are telling me."
I tell them that the left is full of shit with a lot of their COVID dogma, but they happen to be right about the vaccine thing.
Again, just follow the data and you'll get the truth in a lot of this.
LOL Team Retard
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Originally Posted by sonatine
oh.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/o...ence-infection
At least Apple is up $3 while the rest of the market suffers big fear drops.
You can always count on the supposed “poor” to find the money for the newest Apple gear while complaining they can’t safely work and can’t afford food.
Gotta love the renewed hysteria attempt just before the holidays. It isn’t gonna work, nobody believes you or cares anymore.
The only domestic terrorism in the good ole USA right now is that committed by the government and big pharma.
Fuck off.
Covid didn’t kill them, their multiple comorbidities did, many of which could have been self fixed before covid stomped on their last finger clinging onto the precipice.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaifalseQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
How is this article wrong? It seems like you are critical of it and its message.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I've been saying forever that cloth masking has been long amplified/exaggerated by the left in order to win elections, and that it was actually harmful because of the false sense of security it creates.
Your complaint seems to be that cloth masking shouldn't have been either over-exaggeraetd or completely dismissed, yet even the most optimistic pro-mask data suggests an almost negligible effect, so which side is at fault here?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffHow is this article wrong? It seems like you are critical of it and its message.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I've been saying forever that cloth masking has been long amplified/exaggerated by the left in order to win elections, and that it was actually harmful because of the false sense of security it creates.
Your complaint seems to be that cloth masking shouldn't have been either over-exaggeraetd or completely dismissed, yet even the most optimistic pro-mask data suggests an almost negligible effect, so which side is at fault here?
Well for one comparing England and Scotland as if it’s some type is controlled experiment is completely stupid. There could literally be a hundred plus other variables responsible for the changes. Do we really need to re teach experimental method?
That and it’s also an article from an extremist website.
But yes as the author of that article suggests maybe it’s population control? ……
The left loves to constantly compare different countries (which England and Scotland actually aren't), and whine "OMG LOOK HOW MUCH WORSE US IS, IT'S ALL TRUMP'S FAULT!!!!111"Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBetQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Well for one comparing England and Scotland as if it’s some type is controlled experiment is completely stupid. There could literally be a hundred plus other variables responsible for the changes. Do we really need to re teach experimental method?
That and it’s also an article from an extremist website.
But yes as the author of that article suggests maybe it’s population control? ……
They also love to exaggerate the US problem, often leaving out of the equation that the US population is 3rd highest in the world, and blows away anything in Europe. Then they don't adjust for population and just list the number of cases and deaths compared to other countries.
I think the more we get away from masking as a solution, the better off society will be. It's time to enter the "live with COVID" phase, where we attempt to return life to 2019 normalcy, while only concerning ourselves with major dangers and therapies/preventions.
For example, vaccination has been proven to be a great weapon against severe and deadly COVID. Good. While it's probably not a long-term solution (due to mutations and rapidly waning protection), at least we can see it's effective in preventing the worst outcomes.. Keep pushing that.
When useful therapies come out (including the COVID pill, which is about to be available), promote those, as well.
But enough with the mask mandates, the lockdowns, the forced distancing, the obsessive sanitizing, and idiotic anti-scientific policies such as refusals to accept cash at some businesses.
We need to be honest that some things are absolutely useless for COVID prevention (such as the cashless stuff and the sanitizing), and others are negligible at best (masking and 6-foot distancing).
We also need to be honest that unvaccinated kids don't transmit much (or at all), and that when kids get it, it's almost always either mild or asymptomatic. That means take the masks off kids, let them play, and let them have a normal childhood.
Also, let people congregate outside all they want. Transmission is very low outdoors.
The science and the data says to do these things. The left still won't get on board for a lot of this, because they want to justify last year's panicky actions, justify the bashing of Trump/GOP, and justify the continued social changes spawning from COVID.
Following the science goes two ways. It doesn't just mean follow it as far as vaccination goes. It means follow it for everything. It's pretty easy to tell by this point what has worked (vaccination) and what has been useless (masking, 6-foot distancing, sanitizing).
is anyone has any thoughtful commentary they wish to engage in, who is capable of non-performative interaction and generally doesnt come off like tucker carlson's retarded kid brother, im here for it btw.
I see. So you only want "thoughtful commentary" which either completely or mostly agrees with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
You really think more masking and 6-foot distancing would have significantly improved our 2020 outcomes? All that shit did was politicize COVID and make people more combative/distrustful when it came to the important stuff (vaccination).
And here we are.
But seriously, what "thoughtful commentary" would you find acceptable which doesn't fall under the banner of the sonatine echo chamber?
I'm sorry that it's a hard pill to swallow that your PARTY OF THE SCIENCE (tm) fucked up the messaging royally, but they fucked up the messaging royally.
That's how we got this as recently as March 2021:
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021...isable=upscale
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
LOCKDOWNS, MASK MANDATES AND VACCINE MANDATES DON'T WORK. THIS IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. FLORIDA HAS THE LOWEST CORONAVIRUS RATE IN THE NATION.
Here's the proof: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-even-further/ Oh and the numbers are taken from the NY Times coronavirus tracker, so don't even start with attacking the source.
Now enough of the parroting of the bullshit CNN narrative.
anyone at all?
Don’t disagree that it’s hysteria when it comes to children and Covid. I’ve largely been anti lockdown. It’s just a shame that most anti lockdown supporters are fucking lunatics it lumps me in with such a group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI see. So you only want "thoughtful commentary" which either completely or mostly agrees with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
You really think more masking and 6-foot distancing would have significantly improved our 2020 outcomes? All that shit did was politicize COVID and make people more combative/distrustful when it came to the important stuff (vaccination).
And here we are.
But seriously, what "thoughtful commentary" would you find acceptable which doesn't fall under the banner of the sonatine echo chamber?
I'm sorry that it's a hard pill to swallow that your PARTY OF THE SCIENCE (tm) fucked up the messaging royally, but they fucked up the messaging royally.
That's how we got this as recently as March 2021:
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021...isable=upscale
That being said the article you quote specifically calls out republicans as well. And interestingly enough for their hesistancy in masks….
From your article.
Republicans’ underestimation of Covid risks helps explain their resistance to wearing a mask — even though doing so could save their own life or that of a family member. And Democrats’ overestimation of risks explains why so many have accepted school closures — despite the damage being done to children, in lost learning, lost social connections and, in the case of poorer children, missed meals.
Well, it's from the NY Times, so of course they have to worship the cult of the mask, even when sheepishly admitting that the public is highly misinformed thanks to Democratic/media hysteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBetDon’t disagree that it’s hysteria when it comes to children and Covid. I’ve largely been anti lockdown. It’s just a shame that most anti lockdown supporters are fucking lunatics it lumps me in with such a group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
That being said the article you quote specifically calls out republicans as well. And interestingly enough for their hesistancy in masks….
From your article.
Republicans’ underestimation of Covid risks helps explain their resistance to wearing a mask — even though doing so could save their own life or that of a family member. And Democrats’ overestimation of risks explains why so many have accepted school closures — despite the damage being done to children, in lost learning, lost social connections and, in the case of poorer children, missed meals.
I don't disagree with the rest of what you wrote. Yes, a lot of anti-lockdown and anti-mask-mandate people are also nuts who won't accept the reality of COVID. These people often present logical arguments for why a lot of the Dem positions on COVID are stupid, and then they ruin it all by trying to explain why they're 55 and don't need a vaccine.
My COVID positions are bashed by both sides because I won't go with either knee-jerk narrative. I have people on the right calling me "brainwashed" and "a RINO", and I have people on the left calling me "anti-science" and "parroting Fox News".
The whole thing is very sad because there's so much misinformation on both sides, and a lot of exploitation of the situation for political purposes. I wish more Republicans would get on board with the vaccine (at least for adults 40+), and then they'd have more justification to call out the Dems for their many nonsensical positions.
If only we had a Republican president when all this began to lead America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWell, it's from the NY Times, so of course they have to worship the cult of the mask, even when sheepishly admitting that the public is highly misinformed thanks to Democratic/media hysteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
I don't disagree with the rest of what you wrote. Yes, a lot of anti-lockdown and anti-mask-mandate people are also nuts who won't accept the reality of COVID. These people often present logical arguments for why a lot of the Dem positions on COVID are stupid, and then they ruin it all by trying to explain why they're 55 and don't need a vaccine.
My COVID positions are bashed by both sides because I won't go with either knee-jerk narrative. I have people on the right calling me "brainwashed" and "a RINO", and I have people on the left calling me "anti-science" and "parroting Fox News".
The whole thing is very sad because there's so much misinformation on both sides, and a lot of exploitation of the situation for political purposes. I wish more Republicans would get on board with the vaccine (at least for adults 40+), and then they'd have more justification to call out the Dems for their many nonsensical positions.
We would be in such a better place!
yeah cause Biden has really taken care of the virus, get a grip dopeQuote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeIf only we had a Republican president when all this began to lead America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
We would be in such a better place!