*** OFFICIAL 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Race Thread ***

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

The Hunter Biden stuff isn't going to hurt Biden much in the primary. Most Democrats dismiss it as right wing conspiracy nonsense (even though it does appear that something shady occurred.)

It might hurt Biden in the general election if Trump hammers it enough. Lord knows that Trump is excellent at trolling other candidates to the point where his rhetoric about them gets etched in people's minds. Before Trump, did you ever think of Jeb Bush as "low energy"? I bet you think of him that way now!

It's so surreal to see the establishment candidate with the best polling numbers being cast as the big underdog.

Biden has two huge strengths:

1) He has an established following of people who already know his faults and still like him anyway, so it will be tough to change people's minds

2) He is the only major candidate with good black support


He's not a lock by any means, but I was shocked that I got him at +500 not long ago, and I'm shocked that so many people honestly believe Mayor Pete has a better chance to be the nominee than him.

Right now there are only two realistic candidates with a good chance to win the primary -- Biden and Warren. Bernie and Mayor Pete have an outside shot, but it's probably not happening for either one. Every other candidate has never caught on, or has already crashed and burned.

This is nothing like 2008, when an upstart Obama came out of nowhere to pass Hillary and beat her. There is no Obama equivalent here.

This is nothing like 2016, when Trump shocked the Republican establishment by crushing all of the Republican frontrunners. In that case, Trump was leading the whole way, and nobody was willing to accept that his support wouldn't die down.

I think Biden is the most likely winner at this point.

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One less candidate for you to have to worry about:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...people-up.html

Just 2 people showed up for a Deval Patrick campaign rally yesterday

:doublefacepalm

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...g-to-democrats

really interesting take on how biden's mere existence in the race is basically fucking up the entire democratic field. i hadnt really considered it from that perspective but it holds a lot of water on examination.

MumblesBadly: Reading comprehension problems again? Because where I say “area”? .... Seriously, man. Cut back in the weed...


You literally said "GOPers in our area". That's where you said area. Fucking retard.


"Cut back in the weed"


What does this even fucking mean?

What America needs is another Billionaire to run for President?

Michael Bloomberg is Coming - 2020.

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.co...8&h=410&crop=1

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Originally Posted by TheXFactor

What America needs is another Billionaire to run for President?

Michael Bloomberg is Coming - 2020.

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.co...8&h=410&crop=1

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Couldn't he just buy fox news?

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Originally Posted by TheXFactor

Creepy Joe Biden is the odds-on favorite to become the next President.

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Predictit doesn't mean much.

Biden has been leading in the polls for the last month except one.

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Not the favorite to become president, just the nominee.

Trump has been the favorite to become president since he got elected. (I think?)

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Predictit doesn't mean much.

Biden has been leading in the polls for the last month except one.

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Not the favorite to become president, just the nominee.

Trump has been the favorite to become president since he got elected. (I think?)

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Depends on your definition of "favorite". Is he the most likely person to be the next president? Obviously. Is he 50%+ to be the next president, according to betting markets? No. He's an underdog in that sense.

Would a Sanders/Warren ticket be fire?

It puts Bernie's agenda in play and lets Warren essentially prove herself and put together a resume that includes more than 'illegally pretending to be an American Indian', so she can take over in 2021 when Bernie drops dead on the senate floor.

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Would a Sanders/Warren ticket be fire?

It puts Bernie's agenda in play and lets Warren essentially prove herself and put together a resume that includes more than 'illegally pretending to be an American Indian', so she can take over in 2021 when Bernie drops dead on the senate floor.

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there's still the unanswered question of whether america would rather elect a sociopath than a socialist. i'm still not sure what the answer is, but i've always thought the "single payer/no private insurance" policy is politically toxic.

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What America needs is another Billionaire to run for President?

Michael Bloomberg is Coming - 2020.

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lol

FAUXCAHONTAS FOLKS

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Elizabeth Warren does a good job posturing as the stern, honest schoolmarm type.

However, the more we learn about her, the more it appears she's just another political fraud.

Even many on the let are suspicious of her, believing Bernie to be the true champion of the far left, whereas Warren just adopts positions to get herself elected. I can't disagree with that assessment.

Every day I feel better about my +500 Biden primary bet, gaffes and all.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Elizabeth Warren does a good job posturing as the stern, honest schoolmarm type.

However, the more we learn about her, the more it appears she's just another political fraud.

Even many on the let are suspicious of her, believing Bernie to be the true champion of the far left, whereas Warren just adopts positions to get herself elected. I can't disagree with that assessment.

Every day I feel better about my +500 Biden primary bet, gaffes and all.

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The louder voices on the left want a true economic revolution that severely curtails capitalism, something Bernie has been pushing to happen for decades. That’s why he was a bit embarrassed by reporting earlier this year of having achieved a moderately sizable amount of net wealth from his and his wife’s ownerships of their homes. Even that relatively modest amount — somewhere between $1- to $2 million — and absolutely dwarfed by how much Mitch McConnell has grown his wealth during an even shorter time in the Senate (from about $2 to $24+ million).

Warren doesn’t want to go that far, so even though she is still very to the left of Biden, the younger Bernie supporters are “purity testing” Warren for her more moderate stance versus Bernie’s. And that’s why they are suspicious of her.

But calling Warren a “political fraud” is patently ridiculous. She’s been championing the American middle clas for decades in both her research on US financial system as a law professor,

https://youtu.be/akVL7QY0S8A

...her work to get the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau formed, her standing up to Team Obama regarding appointments to the administration and the Fed Board of too-friendly-to-big-bank insiders, and her work in Senate to keep the protections of the CFPB from being diluted by the Republicans and bank-friendly Dems.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...ma-2020-228068

And her wealth tax proposal has the plutocrat-friendly former Clinton-and-Obama Teams veteran Larry Summers speaking out against it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...fiscation.html

So, Warren is a “political fraud”? Hardly! Even the corporatist Dems are shitting their pants over the prospect of her eclipsing Bernie among progressives. And that’s because they believe Bernie is too radical to win the nomination, and the establishment media is doing it’s darnedest to kneecap his campaign. But Warren os more amenable to them, and could walk away with the nomination if Bernie faded for some reason, such as a recurring health scare.

I realize you have a hard-on for Warren, Mumbles, but Warren has a hard time with the truth.

What about how she "forgot" that she sent her son to private school, until confronted with that fact?

And then there was that whole Native American debacle.

She's been obsessed with hassling the big banks because it's politically expedient to do so. It's the perfect bogeyman to attack, as most people hate big banks, and few like them to the point of wanting to defend them. In recent years, it's even a better political move, given the Wells Fargo scandal (where she placed herself front and center) and others which have made the public even more distrusting of banks.

She seems to constantly adjust herself (even her race) to whatever will bring her the most benefit. I just don't see her as genuine. Strikes me as a limousine liberal, to be honest.

Bernie is genuine. He's just delusional and unrealistic.

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I realize you have a hard-on for Warren, Mumbles, but Warren has a hard time with the truth.

What about how she "forgot" that she sent her son to private school, until confronted with that fact?

And then there was that whole Native American debacle.

She's been obsessed with hassling the big banks because it's politically expedient to do so. It's the perfect bogeyman to attack, as most people hate big banks, and few like them to the point of wanting to defend them. In recent years, it's even a better political move, given the Wells Fargo scandal (where she placed herself front and center) and others which have made the public even more distrusting of banks.

She seems to constantly adjust herself (even her race) to whatever will bring her the most benefit. I just don't see her as genuine. Strikes me as a limousine liberal, to be honest.

Bernie is genuine. He's just delusional and unrealistic.

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Which policies of Bernie's are delusional and unrealistic?

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I realize you have a hard-on for Warren, Mumbles, but Warren has a hard time with the truth.

What about how she "forgot" that she sent her son to private school, until confronted with that fact?

And then there was that whole Native American debacle.

She's been obsessed with hassling the big banks because it's politically expedient to do so. It's the perfect bogeyman to attack, as most people hate big banks, and few like them to the point of wanting to defend them. In recent years, it's even a better political move, given the Wells Fargo scandal (where she placed herself front and center) and others which have made the public even more distrusting of banks.

She seems to constantly adjust herself (even her race) to whatever will bring her the most benefit. I just don't see her as genuine. Strikes me as a limousine liberal, to be honest.


Bernie is genuine. He's just delusional and unrealistic.

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Which policies of Bernie's are delusional and unrealistic?

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Giving free healthcare and college educations to all illegal immigrants.

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I realize you have a hard-on for Warren, Mumbles, but Warren has a hard time with the truth.

What about how she "forgot" that she sent her son to private school, until confronted with that fact?

And then there was that whole Native American debacle.

She's been obsessed with hassling the big banks because it's politically expedient to do so. It's the perfect bogeyman to attack, as most people hate big banks, and few like them to the point of wanting to defend them. In recent years, it's even a better political move, given the Wells Fargo scandal (where she placed herself front and center) and others which have made the public even more distrusting of banks.

She seems to constantly adjust herself (even her race) to whatever will bring her the most benefit. I just don't see her as genuine. Strikes me as a limousine liberal, to be honest.

Bernie is genuine. He's just delusional and unrealistic.

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Warren also won’t say that taxes will go up on the middle class with Medicare for all while Bernie openly admits it. I’m not a Bernie fan but he believes in everything he says. Warren will say anything she thinks people want to hear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8EQFhj8ca4

honestly i wish i could vote for fiona hill instead of warren.

really hope warren takes it. imo she has little to no chance for the presidency, even if the dems are stupid enuff to allow her that chance.

just bet pete butt @ pray @ 5-1/6-1 and 10-1 to be prez

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I realize you have a hard-on for Warren, Mumbles, but Warren has a hard time with the truth.

What about how she "forgot" that she sent her son to private school, until confronted with that fact?

And then there was that whole Native American debacle.

She's been obsessed with hassling the big banks because it's politically expedient to do so. It's the perfect bogeyman to attack, as most people hate big banks, and few like them to the point of wanting to defend them. In recent years, it's even a better political move, given the Wells Fargo scandal (where she placed herself front and center) and others which have made the public even more distrusting of banks.

She seems to constantly adjust herself (even her race) to whatever will bring her the most benefit. I just don't see her as genuine. Strikes me as a limousine liberal, to be honest.

Bernie is genuine. He's just delusional and unrealistic.

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As a law professor who specialized in bankruptcy law for about two decades, she was critical of how rigged the US banking system is in favor of Wall Street versus the average American long before she stepped into the political spotlight. And she bucked Team Obama and it’s “publicly nice to the big banks” policy as lead by Tim Geithner and Larry Summers, risking getting shut out of getting favorable treatment by the Dem establishment when Obama was president.

And my own academic training and teaching experience in finance helps me greatly appreciate the academic work she did and her advocacy for both meaningful banking reforms and the proposals she has advanced aimed towards ameliorating a shitload of the financial “rigging” that the average American has been exposed to since the advent of the Reagan Revolution.

So, yeah. I have a political “hard-on” for her. And it is well founded by my over 2-decades of experience, education, and academic career in the field of finance.

But unlike Sanders, who wants to tax billionaires so much that within a few decades the US won’t have *any* billionaires (his proposed wealth tax has a top rate of 8%) — and states it as projected effect of his wealth tax proposal — Warren just have them give back to help out undo some of the effects on their economic wellbeing of the economic and financial system rigging that has occurred within the past decades. In fact, I stopped contributing to Sander’s campaign shortly after he announced his wealth tax proposal after coming back from his emergency heart surgery. I believe it is a step too far, and not just politically, but the wrong political objective to have.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8EQFhj8ca4

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This was okay, but could have been so much better if they weren't so scared. Some of the actors did a good job on this (most notably Kate McKinnon and Larry David), and they did well picking out memorable debate moments to reenact. However, it bothers me how gentle they were to everyone.

McKinnon's Elizabeth Warren got a lot of screen time, and she did a very good impression, but did they make fun of Warren at all? I couldn't find one real instance of any real jab at her. We were supposed to laugh mainly at McKinnon imitating her mannerisms, and that was pretty much it. So much material one could mock Warren for, and they just skipped right past it.

Same with Larry David's impression of Bernie, which while funny at times, mainly focused upon Bernie's cantankerous old Jew mannerisms. Again, they didn't make any serious jab at him. It was almost as if we were seeing what Bernie would be like if someone mixed Larry David's brain into his.

They actually did bring up Buttigieg's polling at 0% with black people, which surprised me. But when he was asked to explain, the Buttigieg character said, "Well, just look at me!", in reference to his midwestern uber-whiteness. Come on. That's not the main reason blacks don't support him, and they know it. If they're going to broach that subject in a comedy sketch, why not address the real reason, and make a joke out of it?

They also spent time on the healthcare issue, without once making a joke about Medicare For All or the candidates' inability to fully explain how they'll pay for it. Skipped right over all that for a joke about "what old people have in their pockets". Uh huh.

The only one they really mocked was Biden, because clearly they don't want him to be the nominee, since he's the "moderate" major candidate.

While SNL has always leaned left, it was previously subversive enough to where they were willing to skewer everyone, even crossing lines you wouldn't expect them to cross.

Now they're so terrified of making any Democratic candidate look bad -- even through humor -- that they won't touch any real controversy or offer real criticism, unless it's a Democrat they feel has no chance of winning the primary.

This started during the 2016 election. There was nonstop Trump parodying and bashing (which was fine), but they were super-gentle to Hillary once she became the presumptive nominee, which was shameful.

Also, "Rachel Maddow" had a big part in this, but again, they were terrified to make fun of her. Sad!

The funny thing is that I don't see the same on the right.

For example, I watch both Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder regularly. Both frequently imitate Trump and make fun of him.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8EQFhj8ca4

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This was okay, but could have been so much better if they weren't so scared.

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Entertaining Social Justice Warrior Warriors seems like a pretty -EV move though.

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They clipped this from the same statement in which she said the Bush, Clinton, Trump doctrine was bad for our country and she would change it.

If you can't understand this clip being taken out of context, I don't know what to say.

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still an interesting choice of words, no?

that being said, i get her political strategy and don't disagree with her sentiment. she's still my favorite candidate running

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It's only interesting/unique in that it's direct, unlike the word salads / obfuscations of other candidates. The DNC is a corrupt, corporatist party. It is complicit w/ the RNC in building and maintaining a two-party system that excludes anyone who doesn't toe the party lines.

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This was okay, but could have been so much better if they weren't so scared.

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Entertaining Social Justice Warrior Warriors seems like a pretty -EV move though.

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I'm missing your point.

Do you disagree with my assessment that SNL is scared to really criticize or bash a lot of the Democratic candidates?

How do you feel about the fact that they brought up the very true "black people won't vote for Buttigieg" thing, but then turned it into a lame joke about his whiteness, while completely avoiding the real reason (him being gay)?

Why is SNL, a show which rose to prominence because it was ballsy and subversive, acting so scared of offending people on the left now?

THE SNL SKIT WAS HOF. they pulled out all the stops with former castmates including THE GOAT as tom steyer + larry david and woody harrelson so yeah the rest of the attempts will probably be fail

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THE SNL SKIT WAS HOF. they pulled out all the stops with former castmates including THE GOAT as tom steyer + larry david and woody harrelson so yeah the rest of the attempts will probably be fail

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It was great that they got all those actors involved, but couldn't you see that they were especially gentle with some of the candidates and issues they covered? Was so obvious to me.

Read what I wrote. Surprised this didn't jump out at you, too.

SNL would be stupid to bash on liberals until Beto 2024. Team MAGA canceled that program ages ago anyway.

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THE SNL SKIT WAS HOF. they pulled out all the stops with former castmates including THE GOAT as tom steyer + larry david and woody harrelson so yeah the rest of the attempts will probably be fail

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It was great that they got all those actors involved, but couldn't you see that they were especially gentle with some of the candidates and issues they covered? Was so obvious to me.

Read what I wrote. Surprised this didn't jump out at you, too.

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the ppl playing pocahontas and pete are current cast member indoctrinated wannabe trans woman blowers and wouldn't dare go too far, already knew that. I don't wanna be a hater on the only funny sketch I can remember in years

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Entertaining Social Justice Warrior Warriors seems like a pretty -EV move though.

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I'm missing your point.

Do you disagree with my assessment that SNL is scared to really criticize or bash a lot of the Democratic candidates?

How do you feel about the fact that they brought up the very true "black people won't vote for Buttigieg" thing, but then turned it into a lame joke about his whiteness, while completely avoiding the real reason (him being gay)?

Why is SNL, a show which rose to prominence because it was ballsy and subversive, acting so scared of offending people on the left now?

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Point was that you are a SJWW which is no better than a SJW.

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I'm missing your point.

Do you disagree with my assessment that SNL is scared to really criticize or bash a lot of the Democratic candidates?

How do you feel about the fact that they brought up the very true "black people won't vote for Buttigieg" thing, but then turned it into a lame joke about his whiteness, while completely avoiding the real reason (him being gay)?

Why is SNL, a show which rose to prominence because it was ballsy and subversive, acting so scared of offending people on the left now?

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Point was that you are a SJWW which is no better than a SJW.

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What does this even mean?

That's like saying a person who routinely bashes scammers is no better than scammers themselves.

I call out SJW crap because it's stupid and deserves to be called out. And I'm so disgusted at how 2019 "comedy" has gotten so political that they're terrified to make fun of certain figures on their own side.

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Point was that you are a SJWW which is no better than a SJW.

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What does this even mean?

That's like saying a person who routinely bashes scammers is no better than scammers themselves.

I call out SJW crap because it's stupid and deserves to be called out. And I'm so disgusted at how 2019 "comedy" has gotten so political that they're terrified to make fun of certain figures on their own side.

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SJW aren't scammers. They are people that are constantly looking for reasons to attack the "other side" and aren't aware of their obvious bias - any time a minority is attacked they jump to the conclusion that it must be because of racism/bigotry.

You are constantly looking for reasons to attack "the other side" and you're not aware of your obvious bias - any time White, Straight Males are attacked, you jump to the conclusion that it must be because of SJWs. That makes you a SJWW.

Sometimes you're right.

Sometimes the SJWs are right.

But you're both blinded by your bias and an equal cancer to the industry.

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still an interesting choice of words, no?

that being said, i get her political strategy and don't disagree with her sentiment. she's still my favorite candidate running

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It's only interesting/unique in that it's direct, unlike the word salads / obfuscations of other candidates. The DNC is a corrupt, corporatist party. It is complicit w/ the RNC in building and maintaining a two-party system that excludes anyone who doesn't toe the party lines.

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Diggy,

I have stalked your IG for a little bit now, have watched almost all of your vids and I am frightened as well as intrigued. I especially liked the vid where you wrote a phone number on your stomach to have people watch "the birth of your litter". Not really into wearing female clothing but I am concerned since it looks like you have aged a bit in the last year. Have you experienced alot of stress recently?

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What does this even mean?

That's like saying a person who routinely bashes scammers is no better than scammers themselves.

I call out SJW crap because it's stupid and deserves to be called out. And I'm so disgusted at how 2019 "comedy" has gotten so political that they're terrified to make fun of certain figures on their own side.

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SJW aren't scammers. They are people that are constantly looking for reasons to attack the "other side" and aren't aware of their obvious bias - any time a minority is attacked they jump to the conclusion that it must be because of racism/bigotry.

You are constantly looking for reasons to attack "the other side" and you're not aware of your obvious bias - any time White, Straight Males are attacked, you jump to the conclusion that it must be because of SJWs. That makes you a SJWW.

Sometimes you're right.

Sometimes the SJWs are right.

But you're both blinded by your bias and an equal cancer to the industry.

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regardless of how you view trump, the democrats are a fucking a bunch of imbeciles.

listen to what tulsi said in the last debate, she pretty much nailed it. right now the dems are like a little bear that lost it's way.


they've done nothing but focus their energies and fabricate anything they deem "important" to discredit trump instead of doing their jobs.


you can't alienate working people and aspiring middle class by offering all of these empty "free" promises.


more people are catching on. they see how awful cnn is and see the agenda the left wing media and propaganda machine they're pushing.

Here comes a rich Jew to save us from Donald Trump.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_1T_xPpAwo

This has been trending on social media for the past few days:

Pete Buttigieg Is a Lying MF

I don't agree with a lot of it, but it's written by a militant black rights guy, and a lot of black people are sharing it on social media as something they love.

Can't be very good for someone already polling 0% with black people.

The black community really is Mayor Pete's kryptonite. Not only does he already have a huge hurdle to clear with them because he's gay, but his folksy white guy attempts to appeal to them have only backfired. I don't see this changing.

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What does this even mean?

That's like saying a person who routinely bashes scammers is no better than scammers themselves.

I call out SJW crap because it's stupid and deserves to be called out. And I'm so disgusted at how 2019 "comedy" has gotten so political that they're terrified to make fun of certain figures on their own side.

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SJW aren't scammers. They are people that are constantly looking for reasons to attack the "other side" and aren't aware of their obvious bias - any time a minority is attacked they jump to the conclusion that it must be because of racism/bigotry.

You are constantly looking for reasons to attack "the other side" and you're not aware of your obvious bias - any time White, Straight Males are attacked, you jump to the conclusion that it must be because of SJWs. That makes you a SJWW.

Sometimes you're right.

Sometimes the SJWs are right.

But you're both blinded by your bias and an equal cancer to the industry.

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What are you talking about? I never blindly defend white straight males. I will only defend them if I feel they're actually right. Can you show even one example where I wrongly claimed that a white, straight male was being attacked for simply being a white, straight male? The times I've blamed SJWs are when it's obvious they're heavily involved.

Yes, I criticize Democrats a lot, but don't you criticize Republicans all the time? What does that make you? Everything you're saying about me could also apply to you and any other partisan on the forum.

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This has been trending on social media for the past few days:

Pete Buttigieg Is a Lying MF

I don't agree with a lot of it, but it's written by a militant black rights guy, and a lot of black people are sharing it on social media as something they love.

Can't be very good for someone already polling 0% with black people.

The black community really is Mayor Pete's kryptonite. Not only does he already have a huge hurdle to clear with them because he's gay, but his folksy white guy attempts to appeal to them have only backfired. I don't see this changing.

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his only hurdle skinny pete has is beating creepy joe. and creepy joe can prolly beat himself, or trump and his son, or both can ruin him as well.

this leaves buttgag as the default nominee..no other candidate has a buzz around them like he does.

right now he's the only one with any upward traction