Can anyone confirm that Martha and the kid are actually in Antigua with him?
Can anyone confirm that Martha and the kid are actually in Antigua with him?
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLOL
fo sho
It's curious to consider Micon has a kindred spirit with a similar legal status.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFML
Calvin Ayre is an American antihero, no?
Maybe Calvin needs a pool boy? or someone to run Bitcoins
Don't worry about Micon I'm sure their is big bucks in becoming a professional droner down in Antigua.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0bQzsnRnKg
Bryan Micon "Wearing Hoosiers Rock Shirts since 1985".
Calvin Is Canadian. Probably why he's still free. That and being a billionaire
Confirmed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Muck Ficon
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by BCR
micon can't even afford citizenship
although i bet he gets visited by some locals who "are trying to help him"
that's what's fucked up, he thought he could do the calvin ayre thing, but he doensn't have calvin ayre protection money
antigua has no horse in this race. they get nothing out of a broke micon and that is really really bad for him
The schnozzola on that child. Kid with a medical condition. Gonna tug at jury's heartstrings.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369Confirmed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Muck Ficon
Just cause we need a blast from the past up in here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTwVMmS9OEY
GL Micon, I hope you take down the Main Event this year. If you're selling any action let me know.
Does Drexel have visitation rights whatsoever?
I feel weird reading any posts by Wiz which are serious instead of some form of abstract craziness.
With that said, for those who believe this was an unjust raid/prosecution, answer this:
Nevada and the United States both have laws against operating unregulated, unlicensed gaming sites.
Regardless of whether or not you agree with these laws, should the government just not enforce them?
If you believe that, what about those companies and individuals who have been playing by the rules the entire time? Why should they get the shorter end of the stick for staying within the parameters of the law?
You might say, "Well, these laws are set up only for the government and mega-corporations to profit, so the little guy who can't get a license should be able to compete."
Even if you want to believe that, what about the other "little guys" who also would like to run online poker rooms, but don't do so because they are afraid of the legal consequences? Why should Seals get a free pass, just because they were willing to break the law when others weren't?
The bottom line is that there would be a million bitcoin poker rooms AND unlicensed cash poker rooms if it were legal to put them up in the US. The only reason Seals succeeded and Micon made all that money was because he was one of the few willing to break these laws.
That isn't innovation or creativity. It's affectionately known as risk.
Most of us here are/were gamblers. We know very well about risk.
And when you risk, sometimes you lose.
That's what happened here.
Or let me put it another way.
Micon wanted to run an online poker room while living in the US, and make a lot of money.
Many other US residents also wanted to run an online poker room, and make a lot of money.
Micon chose to risk going to prison and ran the online poker room anyway, and indeed made a lot of money.
Everyone else chose NOT to make this money only because they knew they would likely go to prison for it.
Indeed, Micon got in trouble and is now facing the likelihood of a prison sentence.
Everyone else didn't make the money Micon did, but they are walking free.
Exactly where was the government abuse or unjust result of the above? Looks extremely standard and fair to me.
With that said to my above post, the tone of you haters is beyond annoying.
unless you are from Florida and get paid handsomely for one time assassinations I doubt your life is better. He really did it.
With right odds and a non infinite time line I would certainly make a zero jail time served bet. Runner runner baby. Plus I mean like vegas "cnn ticker" 1369 said. The decision maker in this case was bought and paid for by Sheldon "Brick and Mortar" Adolescentsin.
Druff. This is your friend or former friend at least. Would he be taking to the forums rallying against you at the first sign of blood?
God I'm an idiot. For like a minute there I forgot that you weren't all in secret societies. Something over my head is going on.
It has to. Only way any of this makes sense.
It's just everything is so distracting and the obvious stuff that I noticed while it happened just goes away.
A function of doin other stuff, never hearing my idea from others, being lazy, and being stupid. I literally feel dumber each day...
But I am up to -21 on Celtics shore on my first four months into goldentee. Late to party. Damn the games awesome.
I am not rallying anything, and my opinion means nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brittney Griner's Clit
Keep in mind that this "former friend" told people at the WSOP last year that he hoped I would die of a heart attack, so there's also that.
But I have no power or influence in this situation.
I am just stating that he isn't a martyr or a victim of our government's war on online gambling.
Well I lose at life but win at finally hearing ONE SPECIFIC THING that micon did. I asked maybe 10 times. Ty for falling into my trap haha.
:lol2Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
:thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
but wiz did then go on to say micon sent him a bitcoin he later cashed out.
i hope the micons get thru this relatively unscathed but at the same time it is one of the few stories/trainwrecks i feel worth following these days so i sure as hell am gonna get my popcorn out
1. Ran an illegal bitcoin poker site FROM Nevada on all states.
2. Was told by everyone that this was beyond stupid and he was going to get into trouble. Told everyone no chance he gets into trouble.
3. Gets Raided
4. Makes videos which more or less taunt gaming officials.
5. Continues to run illegal site from Antigua with no license.
Given the business he was running, he basically did everything possible to get caught. He then made it worse by pretending to be some kind of victim and continuing the operation.
All of these bitcoin guys that get arrested seem to be smart guys on the surface, but when the facts come out about how they ran their operation and get caught, they come across as morons. They brainwash themselves and others into believing everything is ok and they are doing nothing wrong.
I bet Micon's ex partners in Seals are now shitting themselves more than ever. If I was one of them, I would be pissed that Micon kept running the site after the raid as it only brings more heat down on him and thus potentially more heat on the people he used to work with. It has been thought that Micon never knew the real identity of these partners, but if he does, does anyone really believe he wouldnt give them up if it meant a reduced punishment ? Had Micon given up on bitcoin poker after the raid, and fallen on the sword, they probably would be home free.
Some of you are being too harsh. Lets not all forget that we have a presumption of innocence in this Country.
It's not like he fled the country to avoid charges, or continues to market and operate the unlawful site, or published claims of excessive use of authority for all to see.
Oh wait, nevermind. Carry on.
One thing I'm surprised no one has mentioned is that he was charged with what is considered a "CLASS B" felony.
What is a Class B felony USUALLY?: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-class-b-felony.htm
To be included in a class that includes stipulations for manslaughter, possessing child porn and aggravated sexual assault...well, I'm just not sure this should be. Perhaps this is a "trump up, then get what sticks" charge from an AG who is trying to make a name for himself (I wouldn't be surprised if Sheldon had a bit of influence here either).
BTW, based on what I've read, it seems that if convicted, the subject has to do *some* jail time with any Class B felony...no pleading out of that.
someone wake Bukowski up so he can post the quote of Micon yelling at "his friends", "DONT FORGET....I MADE THIS!"
also, Wiz, Micon gave you some btc, but at what price? Im going to guess he was "generously" giving them out because they were cheap at that time and he just did it so that you would deposit it on his site to get you to spend money there, thus providing him with more income.
I got this
1. Sell SWC
2. Setup GoFundMe page
3. Setup plea for like 2 years and 7 years probation.
4. Serve 13 months in white collar prison
5. Have more money in the bank than when you were a pro poker player.
Downsides to this are that the probation officer will make him get a real job and he has to serve like 13 months in jail.
He was violating the State's gaming licensing laws, the heart and soul/bread and butter of Nevada. It's not about "overcharging" to see what sticks. It's about public deterrence. No doubt they would include a punishment of public flogging if it were possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
While I can envision some sort of plea with a fine and limited prison time, Micon's problem may very well be future IRS issues and federal charges, particularly if he continues to operate SWC.
I wonder how long he'll be able to stay and operate in Antigua - I think his 60 days without a license are almost up. If he can post bail, I'd look for his celebrated return to Nevada sooner rather than later.
If Micon wasn't such a pussy he would come back, take a plea, do his 6 months or year or whatever and save a ton of money in the process. Hell he might not even get that. You would be amazed the shit you can get away with on a first offense.
But he sees himself as some fucking anti government crusader as the delusions of grandeur runninf wild in his head, so he will probably try to fight it til death.
Not only that, but if he comes back the bitcoin dream is over. The degenerate lazy fuck lifestyle with not having to work a 9-5 and instead waking up at 3pm...is all over.
He will be on probation. Has to get....ready...a JOB...can't smoke weed. He will have to live the "harsh existence" that most people have to in this country....actually working for a living.
He wants NONE of that. So I say he never cones back, as always putting his lazy, brain damaged self ahead of what is best for his wife and child....as always.
Micon is also running unlicensed in Antigua. They will come after him at some point. Gambling is big business there as well. Even if he evades us authorities this will fuck him over if he continues to operate.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeDHe was violating the State's gaming licensing laws, the heart and soul/bread and butter of Nevada. It's not about "overcharging" to see what sticks. It's about public deterrence. No doubt they would include a punishment of public flogging if it were possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
While I can envision some sort of plea with a fine and limited prison time, Micon's problem may very well be future IRS issues and federal charges, particularly if he continues to operate SWC.
I wonder how long he'll be able to stay and operate in Antigua - I think his 60 days without a license are almost up. If he can post bail, I'd look for his celebrated return to Nevada sooner rather than later.
I must concur with JoeD here. It is about public deterrence. With gaming operators now involved legally in Nevada, no matter that WSOP Online is kind of a fail site, the state is looking to raise its feathers and give anyone who thought of doing something similar to this a rather quick and sobering reality check.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeDHe was violating the State's gaming licensing laws, the heart and soul/bread and butter of Nevada. It's not about "overcharging" to see what sticks. It's about public deterrence. No doubt they would include a punishment of public flogging if it were possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
While I can envision some sort of plea with a fine and limited prison time, Micon's problem may very well be future IRS issues and federal charges, particularly if he continues to operate SWC.
I wonder how long he'll be able to stay and operate in Antigua - I think his 60 days without a license are almost up. If he can post bail, I'd look for his celebrated return to Nevada sooner rather than later.
Those guys so angry they ripped off their sleeves.Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
I think this is ultimately what is going to fuck him the most. He is quickly becoming like those people who claims taxes are unconstitutional; judges give those guys 5-10 years without even blinking. He should have done what his partners did after the raid, walk away and then he should have begged for mercy. Now that he further pissed off Vegas gaming by continuing to operate in Antigua, i wouldnt be surprised if gaming make a call to the other branches of the government (IRS, FBI) to get more charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
If you break a law, and then try to make mockery of the legal system, you are FUCKED.
Tally Ho, pip pip, lets get on with the bloody BUTT FUCKIN
Unless you have Calvin Ayre or Jamie Dimon money. Then you can afford to dgaf.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
Having the kid is where he really fucked up. The whole "libertarian" ethos gets thrown out when you actually have the most important responsibility of all: the take and well-being of human life.
Extradition primer is below for those interested:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/int...on-interactive
It really is bizarre that Micon thinks he is innocent due to the fact Bitcoins were used. The revised September 2014 statute is clear:
NRS 463.01473 “Electronic transfer of money” defined.
“Electronic transfer of money” means any transfer of money, other than a transaction initiated by a check, draft or other similar instrument, that is initiated through an electronic terminal, telephone, computer or magnetic tape for the purpose of ordering, instructing or authorizing a financial institution or person holding an account on behalf of another to debit or credit an account.
http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/Nevada/
I doubt he paid any taxes on his business enterprise, so he has that to deal with as well.
Walking into casinos with SWC hats and pins was simply a guy on a kamikaze mission. What did he expect would eventually happen? Druff makes a good point in that the reason nobody else was in Bitcoin poker was because it was/is illegal. Micon was so delusional he actually thought he was an astute businessman and entrepreneur. Reality is he is a petty criminal who got caught and fled.
And the comments are correct, he made life infinitely worse by opening up SWC overseas. What might have been 6 months in jail and probation now likely is a 5 year stretch and a huge fine. He can't use the argument he was scared and fled now. He willfully opened up an illegal business after he fled, big difference.
Could someone tell me how long the statue of limitations is regarding Micons case? Is it possible he could stay out of the USA for x amount of years? Then come back without ever facing charges
Micon could have easily thought that the word INSTRUMENT meant that he could not allow people to trade Tubas or Violins for poker chips.
My tuba on the line. Rooting for Micon!
insert your neg rep.
4 years. But he has already been indicted, so I believe it will not run out until he faces the charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoolAssBro
Don't forget that to the extent he is still running a site that is allowing Nevada residents to play on it I suspect the AG will take the position that it is an ongoing violation and I think he would win that arg......very high likelihood that the SOL hasn't yet started to run....also remember that an arrest warrant doesn't equal the start of things if he stays out of the juris......