President 2016

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Originally Posted by abrown83

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

Yep, the French have a lot to answer for.

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Don't forget the Germans, Italians, Austrians and Bosnians.

I don't blame the Pols they are fucking stupid.

And don't forget your inability to deal with the Germans, twice.

Then we can ship it to modern times: Greece (LoL) and the EU (Fucking LoL).

Do I need to go on?

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Britain is in the process of an referendum to leave the EU.

And lolling at Greece is like us lolling at Mexico or Ecuador w/e. Can't help who you share a continent with.

How many mass shootings have gone down in your great nation today btw?... I read Kansas but not been home much today.

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Originally Posted by abrown83

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

Um.

I'm gonna say it even though it will fall flat to most of you.

The reason that people are behind Trump is because we have been told for the last 20 years that you cannot make it in America any longer, that you need big government in your life just in order to get by. That the people that have made it did so by being shady and crooked and had it handed to them in some way. And that is being fed to us by the politicians that need us to need them. It's how they get elected. Big businessmen vote left because it's in their best interest to do so because their fortunes are tied to government contracts that keep them rich, worse yet, because the handouts to the poor keep them in check so that the greedy ones can just continue plowing them out of the way and occasionally using them for slave labor. Trump represents the rich guy that wants to make you rich too. He's selling the dream that it's still possible to become like him and he will show you the way. He doesn't TELL you how to think, he echos what people are already thinking and says 'follow me, i'll show you the way'. That is code for 'Make America Great Again'. All that wrapped up in great passion and a powerful 'why' are all that this is, and literally everybody is missing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4

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I totally get what you wrote up.

The problem is when you really look at Trump's positions, he is literally peddling what the Democrats have been selling for the last 40 years with a bunch of bluster and screaming.

He literally thinks that people need government to get by. That's what he has been saying it's just that the cult doesn't realize he is saying "Fuck the System! It's all messed up so my solution to is to do the exact same thing but bigger and with more government involvement!"

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I really need you to watch that video and run Trump through that rubric, especially that last few sentences. It's worth every minute, trust me.

As an addendum, his positions, his 'plan' mean nothing, that's not the 'why' of how he is succeeding. It was the 'I have a dream' speech, not the 'I have a plan' speech.

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

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Originally Posted by abrown83

Don't forget the Germans, Italians, Austrians and Bosnians.

I don't blame the Pols they are fucking stupid.

And don't forget your inability to deal with the Germans, twice.

Then we can ship it to modern times: Greece (LoL) and the EU (Fucking LoL).

Do I need to go on?

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Britain is in the process of an referendum to leave the EU.

And lolling at Greece is like us lolling at Mexico or Ecuador w/e. Can't help who you share a continent with.

How many mass shootings have gone down in your great nation today btw?... I read Kansas but not been home much today.

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Just going to copy and paste this about murder in America from another thread where I owned heads.



Mass Murder is a pop culture phenomenon in the U.S. people do it because they know they will get attention. Also I don't remember the last mass murder where it didn't come out the person was mentally ill.

Now when looking at the murder rate in the U.S. You have to look at a lot of factors.

First you have to account for the fact that the U.S. Reports its murder rate including suicide and most every other country excludes suicide from their murder rate. That drops the number of "murders" from like 14,000 to about 6,000.

Then there is one distinct difference between America and most comparable countries (Western Europe and Australia), the number of black people in the U.S. Black people are about 15% of the population but they commit between 50%-55% of all murder.

FBI reports White people killed about 2700 people in the U.S. But the reporting in the U.S. is funny and 700 of those murders were committed by Hispanics (mostly Mexicans). So that means White people in the U.S. killed about 2,000 people.

There are about 200 million white people in America and that means White people in America commit murder at about 1 per every 100,000 inhabitants in line with Australia and lower than pretty much every European country.

This while 41% of white people own a gun in the U.S.

Murder in America isn't a gun problem it's a race and gang problem.


Also, if you feel like me breaking down how the murder rate in England is higher than the White murder rate in the US even though 41% of Americans own guns and we have all these mass murders I can do that too.

Facts have a funny way of getting in the way of good rhetoric.

Fuck Rubio and that woman in the audience who screamed every time Rubio was trying to make a point.

Both Rubio and Cruz have accomplished nothing as U.S. Senators.

Trump won the debate.

Trump will be the Republican nominee.

The only question that remains is...

Can Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton in the national election?


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that was more entertaining than any PPV UFC fight i've never paid for

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Originally Posted by TheXFactor

Fuck Rubio and that woman in the audience who screamed every time Rubio was trying to make a point.

Both Rubio and Cruz gave accomplished nothing as U.S. Senators.

Trump won the debate.

Trump will be the Republican nominee.

The only question that remains is...

Can Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton in the national election?


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Sieg Heil amirite or amirite?

Honest questions

So you are pissed at politicians and Washington so your solution is to elect a guy that is the root cause of all the politicians?


He literally is one of the people that created the current system we are in and profits from it. What makes you think he is going to change America to hurt himself?

Are former Cruz supporters going to have to wear rainbow colored armbands?

Going to gather up all the politicians and put them in camps?

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Originally Posted by TheXFactor

Fuck Rubio and that woman in the audience who screamed every time Rubio was trying to make a point.

Both Rubio and Cruz have accomplished nothing as U.S. Senators.

Trump won the debate.

Trump will be the Republican nominee.

The only question that remains is...

Can Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton in the national election?


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:lol2

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Originally Posted by abrown83

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

Britain is in the process of an referendum to leave the EU.

And lolling at Greece is like us lolling at Mexico or Ecuador w/e. Can't help who you share a continent with.

How many mass shootings have gone down in your great nation today btw?... I read Kansas but not been home much today.

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Just going to copy and paste this about murder in America from another thread where I owned heads.



Mass Murder is a pop culture phenomenon in the U.S. people do it because they know they will get attention. Also I don't remember the last mass murder where it didn't come out the person was mentally ill.

Now when looking at the murder rate in the U.S. You have to look at a lot of factors.

First you have to account for the fact that the U.S. Reports its murder rate including suicide and most every other country excludes suicide from their murder rate. That drops the number of "murders" from like 14,000 to about 6,000.

Then there is one distinct difference between America and most comparable countries (Western Europe and Australia), the number of black people in the U.S. Black people are about 15% of the population but they commit between 50%-55% of all murder.

FBI reports White people killed about 2700 people in the U.S. But the reporting in the U.S. is funny and 700 of those murders were committed by Hispanics (mostly Mexicans). So that means White people in the U.S. killed about 2,000 people.

There are about 200 million white people in America and that means White people in America commit murder at about 1 per every 100,000 inhabitants in line with Australia and lower than pretty much every European country.

This while 41% of white people own a gun in the U.S.

Murder in America isn't a gun problem it's a race and gang problem.


Also, if you feel like me breaking down how the murder rate in England is higher than the White murder rate in the US even though 41% of Americans own guns and we have all these mass murders I can do that too.

Facts have a funny way of getting in the way of good rhetoric.

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Daily Mail US ‏@DailyMail 8m minutes ago
Boy, 4, dies after teen sister ‘holds him in tub of 155F water for wetting himself’
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Sounds like a fun gang


And i'm putting myself on offer here as you've obviously seen some figures... But white murder rate is higher in the UK than America?...... Really??????

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

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Originally Posted by abrown83

Just going to copy and paste this about murder in America from another thread where I owned heads.



Mass Murder is a pop culture phenomenon in the U.S. people do it because they know they will get attention. Also I don't remember the last mass murder where it didn't come out the person was mentally ill.

Now when looking at the murder rate in the U.S. You have to look at a lot of factors.

First you have to account for the fact that the U.S. Reports its murder rate including suicide and most every other country excludes suicide from their murder rate. That drops the number of "murders" from like 14,000 to about 6,000.

Then there is one distinct difference between America and most comparable countries (Western Europe and Australia), the number of black people in the U.S. Black people are about 15% of the population but they commit between 50%-55% of all murder.

FBI reports White people killed about 2700 people in the U.S. But the reporting in the U.S. is funny and 700 of those murders were committed by Hispanics (mostly Mexicans). So that means White people in the U.S. killed about 2,000 people.

There are about 200 million white people in America and that means White people in America commit murder at about 1 per every 100,000 inhabitants in line with Australia and lower than pretty much every European country.

This while 41% of white people own a gun in the U.S.

Murder in America isn't a gun problem it's a race and gang problem.


Also, if you feel like me breaking down how the murder rate in England is higher than the White murder rate in the US even though 41% of Americans own guns and we have all these mass murders I can do that too.

Facts have a funny way of getting in the way of good rhetoric.

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Daily Mail US ‏@DailyMail 8m minutes ago
Boy, 4, dies after teen sister ‘holds him in tub of 155F water for wetting himself’
http://dailym.ai/24rW7Fb

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Sounds like a fun gang


And i'm putting myself on offer here as you've obviously seen some figures... But white murder rate is higher in the UK than America?...... Really??????

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Only if you don't count Drake murdering white girl's vagina's.

Waiting for abrowns figures before going to sleep. Need to know if I need to bolt the door or not.

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Waiting for abrowns figures before going to sleep. Need to know if I need to bolt the door or not.

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I can give you a rough estimation of how it works out before I go to sleep as well.

Basically just raw numbers White American Murders in America are about 1 in 100,000 I can give you all the FBI links in the morning, but trust that I am right on that.

England's numbers are roughly reported at 1.15 in 100,000. I would say that is in the margin of error to say they are the same .... but!

Homicide rates in England are only reported based on Convictions!

In America if someone gets murdered whether it is solved or not, it is reported as a murder.

In England if someone gets murdered they are only actually murdered if someone is convicted of the crime.


"Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction"

http://www.publications.parliament.u.../95/95ap25.htm

To give you some kind of idea in 2011, the UK reported 636 Murders (or about 1.15 per 100,000)

But guess what if we look up the death register, what do we find?

329 people died from "assault", 27 by poisoning (not suicide or work related), 361 by strangulation (not suicide), 127 by non-accidental or suicidal drowning, 7 with guns, 2 with explosives, 20 by stabbing, 62 pushed from a high place, 21 run over, and another 198 of "other specified events in various places" .

Totals - 1154 violent deaths

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/...11--final-.xls

That's actually just over 2 per 100,000.

So not only do your politicians lie to you about the murder rate in England, but it is less safe to be White in England than it is America.

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Originally Posted by abrown83

Sieg Heil amirite or amirite?

Honest questions

So you are pissed at politicians and Washington so your solution is to elect a guy that is the root cause of all the politicians?


He literally is one of the people that created the current system we are in and profits from it. What makes you think he is going to change America to hurt himself?

Are former Cruz supporters going to have to wear rainbow colored armbands?

Going to gather up all the politicians and put them in camps?

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That's bullshit, it's politicians like Rubio and Cruz who accept money from lobbyists and special interests that are the problem. They receive cash to do certain things or they receive cash to do nothing so things don't change.

The only candidates running for President that can change the system are Trump or Sanders.

Sanders won't be able to get anything done.

Congress won't work with Hillary Clinton.

Trump has a shot at getting Congress to do something instead of them sitting their asses doing nothing.

Make America Great Again!


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Originally Posted by abrown83

Sieg Heil amirite or amirite?

Honest questions

So you are pissed at politicians and Washington so your solution is to elect a guy that is the root cause of all the politicians?


He literally is one of the people that created the current system we are in and profits from it. What makes you think he is going to change America to hurt himself?

Are former Cruz supporters going to have to wear rainbow colored armbands?

Going to gather up all the politicians and put them in camps?

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That's bullshit, it's politicians like Rubio and Cruz who accept money from lobbyists and special interests that are the problem. They receive cash to do certain things or they receive cash to do nothing so things don't change.

The only candidates running for President that can change the system are Trump or Sanders.

Sanders won't be able to get anything done.

Congress won't work with Hillary Clinton.

Trump has a shot at getting Congress to do something instead of them sitting their asses doing nothing.

Make America Great Again!


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So I am honestly going to try and work through this with you.

Why would Trump change a system when he is a lobbyist that donates millions of dollars to get favors from Cruz and Rubio types?

And that lobbying has resulted in him being a Billionaire.

Why would he want to change the system so it will hurt him?

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Originally Posted by abrown83

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Originally Posted by TheXFactor

That's bullshit, it's politicians like Rubio and Cruz who accept money from lobbyists and special interests that are the problem. They receive cash to do certain things or they receive cash to do nothing so things don't change.

The only candidates running for President that can change the system are Trump or Sanders.

Sanders won't be able to get anything done.

Congress won't work with Hillary Clinton.

Trump has a shot at getting Congress to do something instead of them sitting their asses doing nothing.

Make America Great Again!


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So I am honestly going to try and work through this with you.

Why would Trump change a system when he is a lobbyist that donates millions of dollars to get favors from Cruz and Rubio types?

And that lobbying has resulted in him being a Billionaire.

Why would he want to change the system so it will hurt him?

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I've said it elsewhere, maybe not in print, but Barack Obama has the best chance at being the last President of The United States of America.

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Make America Great Again!

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With the exclamation point and everything. Jesus.

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Originally Posted by TheXFactor

Fuck Rubio and that woman in the audience who screamed every time Rubio was trying to make a point.

Both Rubio and Cruz have accomplished nothing as U.S. Senators.

Trump won the debate.

Trump will be the Republican nominee.

The only question that remains is...

Can Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton in the national election?

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No one wins. One side just loses more slowly.

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Originally Posted by abrown83

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

Waiting for abrowns figures before going to sleep. Need to know if I need to bolt the door or not.

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I can give you a rough estimation of how it works out before I go to sleep as well.

Basically just raw numbers White American Murders in America are about 1 in 100,000 I can give you all the FBI links in the morning, but trust that I am right on that.

England's numbers are roughly reported at 1.15 in 100,000. I would say that is in the margin of error to say they are the same .... but!

Homicide rates in England are only reported based on Convictions!

In America if someone gets murdered whether it is solved or not, it is reported as a murder.

In England if someone gets murdered they are only actually murdered if someone is convicted of the crime.


"Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction"

http://www.publications.parliament.u.../95/95ap25.htm

To give you some kind of idea in 2011, the UK reported 636 Murders (or about 1.15 per 100,000)

But guess what if we look up the death register, what do we find?

329 people died from "assault", 27 by poisoning (not suicide or work related), 361 by strangulation (not suicide), 127 by non-accidental or suicidal drowning, 7 with guns, 2 with explosives, 20 by stabbing, 62 pushed from a high place, 21 run over, and another 198 of "other specified events in various places" .

Totals - 1154 violent deaths

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/...11--final-.xls

That's actually just over 2 per 100,000.

So not only do your politicians lie to you about the murder rate in England, but it is less safe to be White in England than it is America.

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Right or wrong, good post.

But I dispute with great vigor that you're safer in your bed tonight than I am in mine. And my bitch has a temper.


I shall leave this here for now, but this ain't over.

http://americablog.com/2013/01/ann-c...a-belgium.html

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“If you compare white populations, we have the same murder rate as Belgium” – Ann Coulter.

Media Matters spotted Ann Coulter expressing this particular nugget of the pseudo-scientific racism for which Coulter is known. But they didn’t provide a link to figures to disprove it. So I thought I would track them down and the result is rather surprising.

In a nutshell: Coulter is right, about Belgium — and only Belgium — but wrong about the rest of western Europe, which has a lot lower murder rate than even our “white” murder rate (see figures below). So if Ann Coulter wants to play the race-baiting game, perhaps she can explain to us why white Americans are so much more murderous than western Europeans, who are also mostly white. Hint: It’s their guns.

The only DoJ study on homicide by race that I can find is from 2005. Figures for the homicide rate in Belgium (and the rest of the world) are rather easier to come by. Guess what, when you do the math, the figures add up.

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Or to be precise, the figures add up if you happen to choose the murder rate in Belgium in 2002 when there were 318 murders there, a big jump on the 215 in 2000 and 228 in 2003. Belgium is a small country and so an extra hundred or so murders a year adds a whole percentage point to the murder rate. The average murder rate in Belgium was 2.2 per 100,000 between 2000 and 2010 and 3.1 in 2002. The US murder rate over the same period was 5.5, more than twice the rate in Belgium.

There is a strong race element in US homicides, which the DoJ report shows. Between 2000 and 2005 the average number of homicides per year committed by whites and blacks was 8,318 and 9,513, respectively. African-Americans were also much more likely to be the victim of a homicide.

Where Ann Coulter sees only race, I see race, poverty and the drug trade as potential explanations for this difference.

There is quite definitely a ‘demographic’ element to violent crime, but that isn’t enough to explain the difference between the US murder rate and the rate in Belgium (or Europe in general). The ‘whites only’ murder rate in the US is still 2.6 per 100,000, which is why Ann Coulter had to find a small country like Belgium to give the freakishly high figure she needed.

Had Ann Coulter looked at other (western) European countries, besides Belgium – the countries most like the US – she would have found a much lower overall murder rate per 100,000. For example (and these are rough back-of-the-envelope averages over the same time period):

US ‘whites only’ murder rate: 2.6
Denamark 1.0
Ireland 1.2
Norway 0.8
Sweden 0.9
Greece 1.4
Italy 1.4
Spain 1.2
Austria 0.8
France 1.7
Germany 1.2
Switzerland 1.0

Now you know why Ann Coulter picked Belgium. Even the US’ ‘whites only’ murder rate is two to three times the murder rate in western Europe. So not only does Coulter’s weird comparison leave us with a big ‘so what?’, but her comparison on its face is wrong because she — and here’s a surprise — skewed the facts to her favor.

There is another better explanation for the difference between the overall murder rate in the US and Belgium: Guns.

67% of murders in the US (2003-2010) were committed using a firearm. That gives a non-firearms murder rate of 1.8 per 100,000, which is only slightly higher than the rate in the UK (1.5), which has strong gun control laws and a negligible firearm murder rate (0.1). (Belgium only reported figures for firearms murders in one year, which means it is most likely an outlier).

Looking through the UN statistics, countries with a high percentage of murders committed by firearms tend to have a low number of murders overall, and to be are awash in arms, like former members of the Yugoslav federation that underwent a number of recent wars.

Possibly the most remarkable figures in the table are those for the Solomon Islands. Despite the recent civil war, there were no homicides by firearm for the years figures are available (2004-2009). The Solomon Islands has my kind of gun control: Guns are banned absolutely and completely, with the sole exception of single shot rifles.

Ann Coulter’s claim is merely the last gasp of the gun-nut strategy of talking about anything other than guns. They have tried video games, lack of prayer-in-school, and gun free zones in schools. Having seen those fail, they wheel out Ann Coulter to beat the race drum, as only she can.

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The problem is that 2.6 number includes suicides.

America reports murder rate and Intentional Homicide rate.

Intentional Homicides exclude suicides

Roughly - 14,000 murders

Roughly - 6,000 intentional homicides

When you break it down and exclude suicides like every European country does my 1.0 is correct and 2.6 is wrong.

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Originally Posted by abrown83

I literally understand how Hitler came to power since I started watching this Trump cult come into existence.

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dude

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So I am honestly going to try and work through this with you.

Why would Trump change a system when he is a lobbyist that donates millions of dollars to get favors from Cruz and Rubio types?

And that lobbying has resulted in him being a Billionaire.

Why would he want to change the system so it will hurt him?

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Lobbying had nothing to do with Trump becoming a Billionaire.

Trump became a Billionaire because he bought quite a few properties mainly in Manhattan real cheap then he developed them and resold them at a huge profit.

You find out at http://www.opensecrets.org what Donald Trump has donated to politicians.
What did Trump get for his money?
What favors have politicians done for Trump?

Trump donated $100K to the Clinton Foundation and got Bill & Hillary Clinton to attend his wedding.

Voting for Trump throws the whole political system into chaos and it won't be business as usual in Washington.


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