If Drexel had said no to rolling the money over into Projekt Sep, this mess probably wouldnt have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yiddishdonk
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If Drexel had said no to rolling the money over into Projekt Sep, this mess probably wouldnt have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yiddishdonk
Not for nothing, but the number one reason for me participating in this BAP is the fact that after the Templar debacle Jasep made me whole. He did me a solid at the time and I felt it was the right thing to do to repay the favor in some respect. If not for that I probably would have passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasep Stole
is anyone on this forum trustworthy?!
LOL... So on top of all this shit he oversold the BAP as well. Fucking hell.
Only reason I donated to this shit was because the guy has been extremely cool to me ever since I got involved with VPR, and I felt bad for him and wanted to pitch in a little and possibly help get him back on his feet. I actually even felt a little guilty that I waited till almost the end of all the shares being bought up...lol.
BTW, not to state the obvious, but considering how heinous it would be to be accused of ripping off a charity, and how easy it would be to prove his innocence... The fact that he has said squadoosh about that over the last 24-48 hours speaks volumes. There is about a 99.9% chance now that he is guilty of that shit as well.
At this point I am completely fine with never seeing my money again. I wouldn't want to think it came from ripping off some poor old lady or whatever other fucked up scheme this guy came up with.
LOL. You of all people have felted enough tabs probably to be doing just fineQuote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
Nope... Hell can you trust someone over the internet who you just met last week... online?Quote:
Originally Posted by rickastley
Completely off subject but this is happening right now
How's it off topic when their is screwing involved?Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyCompletely off subject but this is happening right now
How are the fleshlights going to be used in this situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
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Originally Posted by vegas1369How are the fleshlights going to be used in this situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyCompletely off subject but this is happening right now
No idea
hell no...im just a skinny fat fuckQuote:
Originally Posted by pikacharNope... Hell can you trust someone over the internet who you just met last week... online?Quote:
Originally Posted by rickastley
Leaving the bar in a cab catching on and once again you are spot on. However, I am pretty confident I will be getting my money back, but not from him but from paypal. Now when his paypal account has a neg balance, I really won't give 2 fucks about how he funds it. What I will say is that yea I was 100% duped by this fucker and even defended him up until yesterday but in any business transaction you should always have an out or a way to try and get back money of things go wrong. I wqs dumb enough to invest, I was dumb enough to believe, I made these decisions as an adult and I need to deal with the consequences... I hope he doesn't fund his neg balance account with 22q money once I get my refund or with some other poor saps money, but unless it's not my problem. I am handling it legally throigh paypal and whatever happens on the other end I don't fucking care.Quote:
What I want to see is if the guys who are owed money would accept it knowing that it is coming from some other poor fool who got suckered. Because if they think he still has even one nickel of that original $5000, they are just simply beyond help. If you take that money, you're basically just passing the scam along, and not really doing anything to put an end to it.
I apologize in advance for disrupting the serious nature of this thread. Obv delete pics if needed
imagine if the templar was a friend of sep's, and the way that sep helped handle the templar fallout/debacle was just a part of the overall confidence scheme?
that'd be something.
shoutout to Benjamin's call-in on LLPR.
fluffer likely has a lot of experience with lying online, so he's probably right about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by fluffermaybe a bit harsh, i just think he was desperate and the lies/bullshit just compoundedQuote:
Originally Posted by ThreeBet
Vegas. I have done 2 years of ffbl and he has paid my wimnings out perfectly and on time every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by rickastley
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Originally Posted by handicapmeVegas. I have done 2 years of ffbl and he has paid my wimnings out perfectly and on time every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by rickastley
China definitely is. I would leave that guy with a million and come back in 10 years and be confident it would still be there. Done over 200k+ in transactions with him over the years.
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Originally Posted by zealanddonkIf Drexel had said no to rolling the money over into Projekt Sep, this mess probably wouldnt have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yiddishdonk
Jasep didn't confer with me before he posted the BAP on VPR or PFA. I even expressed my displeasure with China when I read it. Not because I thought it would turn out like this but because I thought it was embarrassing to the site that an owner of our site was in essence begging for money.
I have admitted multiple times in this thread that I grossly handled the situation wrong
A) I should have not taken his word at face value that he was putting in the $600 he owed me
B) I should have insisted Jasep posted in the BAP he was putting in the cash value of my 12 shares from monies
he owed me
C) I should have posted myself if Jasep was unwilling to do so
Shares had already been sold before I got involved. It would not have mattered whether I just told him "hey start making payments to me that you can afford" The 5k was going to be collected either way and again I had absolutely no indication that anything close to this awful would occur.
I have spent a majority of the past 3 weeks, and at least 8 hours per day the last week, putting all the pieces together. Talking with people who know him in real life, other parties I had never spoken to so that I could put all the pieces together.
I am embarrassed and sick to my stomach over all that has happened and my role in inadvertently perpetuating this. Until I see proof that the 22q was handled properly, this situation will consume me.
I am glad at very least that the efforts of Mark, Pikachar, Joe, Kevin, myself and a few others at least prevented him from being able to garner any more $ by offering non existent, worthless shares in VPR.
I dont care about my money. If by some far fetched chance my echeck clears next week, I will send every penny to those who haven't been paid first.
I will keep in contact with Kevin and Tim Byrd- his closest friend in life to apply pressure until Jasep makes this right
I will contact his father, his mother, his daughters mother and anyone else I can find (and I will find them), not to harass them, but to inform them what kind of person Johnny is.
I will make sure his first and last name, city and state, are SEO'ed to the point that he will realize this will leave behind a life long trail if not made right.
I will do my best to make sure that he has no other choice to make this right or permanently live the rest of his life with this stigma following him.
That is all I can do. I know others will help me as well.
I said this before. The only out Johnny has here is to be a man and admit he fucked up and make restitution. Others have done this before, he certainly wouldn't be the first
I wouldn't trust a guy one iota who, on one hand, genuinely knows Peter Falcone, yet, on the other hand, wants to take him out to dinner and repeatedly states "Peter Falcone is god." I have no idea whether China is trustworthy and make no statement about that, but, Chinamaniac's love affair with Peter Falcone, after knowing all the facts, reveals bizarre or worse judgement when it comes to reacting to proven sociopathic criminals. Just ask Falcone's brothers what they think about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyQuote:
Originally Posted by handicapme
China definitely is. I would leave that guy with a million and come back in 10 years and be confident it would still be there. Done over 200k+ in transactions with him over the years.
However, even after it was well known that Ted Bundy was a sociopathic serial murderer of young women, apparently there were scads of young women lining up to date him. Your beloved Chinamaniac is no different from these girls in terms of judgment of sociopathic criminals. Maybe these girls were trustworthy too, but I would still question their judgment.
I am not much of a forum poster, only a weekly radio listener of druff and Brandon going back to 2009. One thing that seems apparent is this guy has life leaks (already mentioned) but if he choices to he can turn it around. It may be hard, but best thing Jsep can do is post any and all debits tied to the situation here. Telling him to put $ in druffs bank, isn't possible because he doesn't have the cash. That's wasting time and putting added pressure to the situation.
Come forward Jsep post any and all debits related to the situation. You have to start some where, and this is coming from someone who at one point had 30k in gambling debts. All I could do was say heres the truth and take it one day, week, month and year(s) at a time. It took me 2.5 years to make everyone whole, but it was and can be done.
Give Jsep an out PFA other wise Peter will pay Paul. 5k plus isn't falling out of the sky. Jsep use this to turn life around not get deeper in the hole. Plan it out, get it done, live a happier life.
Good luck
debits?Quote:
Originally Posted by gm2022
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Didn't master in English. Doing from crappy phone :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicidedebits?Quote:
Originally Posted by gm2022
What the fuck is wrong with you?
China is one of about 5 or so posters on here that I would deal with financially and not think twice about it. Unless he's in it for the long con, Sawyer style, he has more than proven himself. You obviously take his comments about Peter Falcone far more seriously than anyone else here does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurker1998I wouldn't trust a guy one iota who, on one hand, genuinely knows Peter Falcone, yet, on the other hand, wants to take him out to dinner and repeatedly states "Peter Falcone is god." I have no idea whether China is trustworthy and make no statement about that, but, Chinamaniac's love affair with Peter Falcone, after knowing all the facts, reveals bizarre or worse judgement when it comes to reacting to proven sociopathic criminals. Just ask Falcone's brothers what they think about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
However, even after it was well known that Ted Bundy was a sociopathic serial murderer of young women, apparently there were scads of young women lining up to date him. Your beloved Chinamaniac is no different from these girls in terms of judgment of sociopathic criminals. Maybe these girls were trustworthy too, but I would still question their judgment.
JUSTIFIEDhomicide's warm welcome withstanding :) good post and great points. I may be naive but I do hold out hope that he at some point begins the process of making this right, if not due to sincerely wanting to atone, then considering the consequences this will cost him for a long period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by gm2022
Welcome Wagon Weiss.
I hope this signals the return of Drexel to the Druff & Drexel show.
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Originally Posted by zealanddonk
Do you agree with my response that I posted to you?
Just to stress, I am not saying anything about his fiduciary qualities. I have no information on that and cannot speak to that. I have no reason to think he is not as financially reliable as you and the previous poster think. I am strictly reacting to posts/radio statements he frequently makes and how that reflects on his judgment. If those posts/radio statements are not serious but are intended as humor, then it is, at best, very strange humor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser
Has anyone considered Jasep might pay the entire $5K back?
5? I'm shocked it's that high of a number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser
China is the one guy here that I shipped money to and actually received more in return.
his rep will still be tarnished. good for investors but hes dug himself a big hole gl to investors hope works out
Vegas, druff, china, drex, simpdog are the only people I will trust going forward... I have done transactions with 3 of those 5 without any problem and china and drex have way to much to lose to become scammers.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts5? I'm shocked it's that high of a number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser
China is the one guy here that I shipped money to and actually received more in return.
2-10 usually doesn't provide a good ROI bro :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts5? I'm shocked it's that high of a number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser
China is the one guy here that I shipped money to and actually received more in return.
It's actually probably higher than that. I didn't necessarily say it was someone I liked or who liked me. Someone like Barry I have exchanged countless words with over the years. But I wouldn't hesitate to deal with him financially. You're on the list too. It's not really that hard to tell who is legit and who isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts5? I'm shocked it's that high of a number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser
China is the one guy here that I shipped money to and actually received more in return.
Vegas
Druff
Drexel
Cmoney
etc.
There are just guys who you can tell value their name far more than a few bucks. Over the years, I have seen guys like this do things that actually cost them money. I mean, Barry fucking buys goats for kids in Africa. He's not gonna run off with somebody's charity money.
It doesnt really matter if I agree or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrexelQuote:
Originally Posted by zealanddonk
Do you agree with my response that I posted to you?
IF he did steal the 22Q money then yes you should do everything reasonable to ensure he goes to jail.
If he didnt steal it but scammed everyone else then yes, using resources to out him makes sense. The downside will be he already has a story about being harrassed by internet donks so theres a reasonable chance those who know him wont believe SEO and whatever you do (or already know hes a weasel). Getting Kevin to roll over on him would probably be a lot more effective.
As a complete asside, I do hope you return to radio, you add value to the shows you are on.
LOL, I was wondering if you would catch that.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas13692-10 usually doesn't provide a good ROI bro :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
The problem is, currently (other than Barry) we percieve those people to have a reasonable amount of money and not in a situation to need a loan or to float a possible scam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anal_HershiserIt's actually probably higher than that. I didn't necessarily say it was someone I liked or who liked me. Someone like Barry I have exchanged countless words with over the years. But I wouldn't hesitate to deal with him financially. You're on the list too. It's not really that hard to tell who is legit and who isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
Vegas
Druff
Drexel
Cmoney
etc.
There are just guys who you can tell value their name far more than a few bucks. Over the years, I have seen guys like this do things that actually cost them money. I mean, Barry fucking buys goats for kids in Africa. He's not gonna run off with somebody's charity money.
If it gets to the point they have to come to PFA to raise funds it should be a big red flag.
Obv in Barry's case he has a steady income and if he lost the job then there may be concerns if he could pay back or not.
The longer he lies about his situation the worse it will get. Coming 100 percent clean is the only way to make it right. If he took Q22 money ( that's pretty bad) bap, and so on, running from it will only make it worse and worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrexelJUSTIFIEDhomicide's warm welcome withstanding :) good post and great points. I may be naive but I do hold out hope that he at some point begins the process of making this right, if not due to sincerely wanting to atone, then considering the consequences this will cost him for a long period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by gm2022
Jsep plan should be
List out all money owed
Get any help for issues he may have
Come up with some realistic plan to pay all $ back
Be open and honest throughout the process & to everyone involved
Live life (both while paying and after paying back)a lot happier sticking to your plan and doing what's right
Laugh about how dumb you were in 10 years
Jsep people will help but you must help yourself first!
:fraudalert:fraudalert:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anal_HershiserIt's actually probably higher than that. I didn't necessarily say it was someone I liked or who liked me. Someone like Barry I have exchanged countless words with over the years. But I wouldn't hesitate to deal with him financially. You're on the list too. It's not really that hard to tell who is legit and who isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
Vegas
Druff
Drexel
Cmoney
etc.
There are just guys who you can tell value their name far more than a few bucks. Over the years, I have seen guys like this do things that actually cost them money. I mean, Barry fucking buys goats for kids in Africa. He's not gonna run off with somebody's charity money.