My gut instinct was to give it a solid C but damned if I cant stop watching it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
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My gut instinct was to give it a solid C but damned if I cant stop watching it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
I give the Sporanos a B-. There were some great episodes, but quite a few sucked as well. It should have been made into a movie pilot after two years, ala Star Trek.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineMy gut instinct was to give it a solid C but damned if I cant stop watching it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
Wire/Breaking Bad - A
Sopranos/Mad Men - A-
Louie is right below this first tier but haven't seen season 3 yet.
All the other shows that I like (Boardwalk, Homeland, Girls, House of Cards, Thrones) fall somewhere in the B range.
Dexter is abominable but it's one of those bad shows that I tolerate because my girlfriend likes it. First four seasons were decent.
Also, is Mad Men still good? I'm beginning to waver..
I think a B- is perhaps a touch harsh but I fucking well agree that some moments/plot lines suuuuuuuuUuUUuucked and people just tend to pretend they never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by bottomset_69I give the Sporanos a B-. There were some great episodes, but quite a few sucked as well. It should have been made into a movie pilot after two years, ala Star Trek.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
The bottom line for me remains that they started looking to water it down and stretch it out and broaden its appeal and in doing so, made a fuckton of money by roping in the cultural lowest common denominator types at the expense of the shows original brilliance.
The right people seem to like Mad Men but I find myself utterly uncompelled by their reasons for doing so.
Some of the episodes were absolutely awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineI think a B- is perhaps a touch harsh but I fucking well agree that some moments/plot lines suuuuuuuuUuUUuucked and people just tend to pretend they never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by bottomset_69
The bottom line for me remains that they started looking to water it down and stretch it out and broaden its appeal and in doing so, made a fuckton of money by roping in the cultural lowest common denominator types at the expense of the shows original brilliance.
1) That whole deal where the horse got burned to death? WTF
2) When Tony got shot and the dreams? WTF
3) The Gay scenes with the fat guy? WTF
To be fair, when AJ ripped the huge fart when his sister was in his room was one of the greatest moments I have ever seen.
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Originally Posted by bottomset_69Some of the episodes were absolutely awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
1) That whole deal where the horse got burned to death? WTF
2) When Tony got shot and the dreams? WTF
3) The Gay scenes with the fat guy? WTF
To be fair, when AJ ripped the huge fart when his sister was in his room was one of the greatest moments I have ever seen.
I just went through the whole 7 seasons, 6 and 7 aren't half as bad as I remember or people say.
It is just an excellent series.
I still think Sonatine is just being a contrarian here, and that really he likes it.
While things are still fresh in my mind, the dream thing was 1.5 episodes, 20 minutes of screen time, tops. He was shot end of 6a ep1 and was awake 6a ep3 like 2/3 into it. The last dream where Paulie is talking to him in the hospital room, while in his dream he is mad at the loud next door neighbor in his hotel who won't shut up, was excellent. Anyway, to say 2 episodes of 80, ruined the series is a bit drastic.
The gay scenes did suck. BUT, there was a NJ mob capo (or higher) who was killed for being a homo, and that is what that was based on.
So I think they over did it, but there was a reason they had a gay story line. (Gotti had a gay guy in his crew)
Don't get your problem w/ the horse, at all. Ralphie was going to make more on the insurance he had on the horse, than if he sold it. Its not like they showed it or killed a horse or anything,
Now that I'm reading your 4th point, I feel like ass even wasting my time on your post.
Maybe they should have ended after 5 seasons, like the original plan, but those extra 2 seasons were still good.
Bottom line, this show will be watched 100 years from now. It changed TV, it was the first time cable was as good, or better, than the movies.
Didnt say its a bad show, just said its overrated.
Which it is.
Didn't you recommend Girls and Vikings?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
lmao
I stand by both without reservation.
Sopranos was great easy A.
Still wondering what happened to the crazy Russian.
Wondering who his wife was in the dreams he had when he got shot. Wasnt eadie falcos voice on the phone. Never listed in credits.
Should have kicked AJs ass a lot sooner.
Is Meadow still into blacks?
How the hell does anything get built in New Jersey?
David Chase, creator of the Sopranos was a writer on the Kolchak, The Night Stalker series. Loved it when I was a kid. Not so good now.
If you run a strip joint, why ever leave?
Ba-da-bing
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Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/42/116...1c4c431d_z.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Sad.
I thought the last 2 episodes of Vikings mostly sucked and I suspect the second season will continue that trend.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
A good friend of mine has a similar TV series starting this fall, but instead of vikings it's pirates.
I've been reading a lot on the background, (mostly from What's Alan Watching who was w/ the NJ paper that tony had delivered to his house.)Quote:
Originally Posted by herbertstemple
this link has reviews of every episode he did, (he took over season 4)
http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/sop...the_links.html
But he seems to know David Chase and has a lot of these exact questions.
Russian just never appeared again and we have no idea what happened.
"The voice of Purgatory Tony's wife wasn't played by Annabella Sciorra, or any other actress who's been on the show before; she's just a generic non-Carmela female voice."
I did not remember Meadow actually F'ing that black guy, I was in shock watching it back through, but she ends up w/Pat Parisi,
Which leads me to a criticism.
One thing the Sopranos did great was bring new characters in like they had been there all along, just not on camera.
IE Richie Aprile, was Jackie Sr's brother, Ralphie had been in Miami, Feechs and Blundtto, etc in the big bust 20 years ago.
But they lost that art in season 6.
What so Vito was a schmuck in season 2, now he has been married into Phil Leotardo's family for 15 years?
All of a sudden AJ was old friends w/Parisi and Carlo's kids for years? Their dad's were rarely at the Sopranos cookouts, and they for sure were not in AJ's school district.
1/2 the people w/Tony in the end I had no idea who they were, or where they came from, who they worked for, nothing.
And the college bookies taking 2 toes off a guy who was at most a week late? That was a bit drastic.
bump.
I need to get on that show Lilyhammer. Brick Top from Snatch and Slyvio from the Sopranos are in it.
Alan Ford is a living miracle.
Why bump this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
You were wrong when you make the OP, and you still are.
Its the # 2 crime drama show of all time, w/The Wire # 1.
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Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
This posting needs an edit - After a recent rewtach of Game of Thrones S3 this show is now in the A- tier to me.
Seriously tho what an overrated show.
Seriously tho you're fucking high.
We're on episode 2 of season 6 now of an epic rewatch binge. You're all wet guy, best show ever.
best at being overrated maybe
seriously lets see hard you gush over it after 6 hours devoted to carmella fucking a high school teacher and another 8 devoted to meadow fucking some shine.
Fuck you Feech it's fucking parking.
being overrated and also one of the best shows ever i don't think is mutually exclusive in this case
it had it's low points, but the sopranos were as good as the best of them when they brought their a-game
and i was confused when i first read the thread because i thought it was about the wire because of the remastered marathon that just ended so i'm gonna try to tie this thing into a nice little bow by seguing into this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVEwpYt0EwE
mcnulty=the sopranos
tough but fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFML
touch... but fair.
You guys have to remember when you the sopranos came out there was not a series on cable like that before..a weekly series that was gritty. After that then came game of thrones , ray Donovan, nurse jakie, falling skies, it spawned a A WHOLE NEW CALIBER OF WEEKLY SERIES..with better stars and writing. Ever since then broadcast t.v is trying to catch up.
season 4 sopranos teeters on the verge of being the greatest thing ever then tips over with that final fight
Oz beat the sopranos by a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesparten
Sopranos was A+ amazing
Your right about oz..I dont Evan watch broadcast t.v..the writing and acting,production values and story lines blow away everything else..its actually the only thing keeping people paying..the suits were ahead of the curve for once.
JK Simmons as Vern Shillinger is GOD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-OAi7Tz718
Any show that gets jizzed over as much as Sopranos is overrated. I think you needed the family interaction with Tony, but Sonatine is right about Carmela and the kids. That shit slowed the show down a lot when they followed the family without Tony around. But, it was still pretty great.
I didn't like Mad Men too much. It's great to look at, for sure, and it's well acted. It's just a beautiful soap opera to me. Advertising just isn't as compelling as meth cook, mafioso or urban drug scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
And I think Justified is better than Boardwalk and Homeland. Homeland is garbage after season 2. I tried and gave up on season 3. I have a tough time with Boardwalk, so many great players and great sets, and it always comes up short.
There is some tedious shit but Sopranos is fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
People pick apart everything, myself included. Still waiting for Tine to rewatch and shit on The Wire.
I wish I weren't so critical honestly.
The Wire has some dead air but its overall a great show. Solid acting, very good writing. Why would I shit on it?
The Sopranos top dogs, on the other hand, realized quickly that it was going to be a juggernaught so they started a well documented terror campaign against the writers where anyone who refused to water down the plot lines and stretch the show out to a point where it just barely retained mass appeal was terminated, and total hack flunkies were brought in to replace them.
ISNT THAT RIGHT, CARMELLA IN ITALY?
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Originally Posted by sonatine
you sure spend a lot of time watching tv
guess fishing and getting outdoors is more of a hobby