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In 14 GAMES in 2010 he had 72 catches for 972 yards and 9 TD. The only crazy talk is you assuming that over 14% more games that he cant get 3 more catches for 167 LESS yards and 2 LESS TDs?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJ
Cmon man hes not going to get anywhere close to that thats crazy talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
The only reason he wont is the QB's in Sea. I've heard Flynn looks the worst of the bunch thus far in training camp. TO is a dick but to get him at this price is a steal.. Its only 600k against the cap..Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniache got 900+ in less than a full season 2 years ago. What makes you think he can't get close to 800? Especially considering how under average Sea receiving core isQuote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJ
Someone has to catch passes no matter how bad they suckQuote:
Originally Posted by badguy23The only reason he wont is the QB's in Sea. I've heard Flynn looks the worst of the bunch thus far in training camp. TO is a dick but to get him at this price is a steal.. Its only 600k against the cap..Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
China I agree with you that this was a good signing...Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniacSomeone has to catch passes no matter how bad they suckQuote:
Originally Posted by badguy23
In 2010 Cincinnati ranked 20th in the league in total offense. The offense was so bad Carson Palmer retired as opposed to returning there. In 2011 Seattle ranked 22nd in the league in passing, and now they have upgraded to Matt Flynn. I dont put much stock into his poor camp showing so far. My point is that I dont really think TO is in any worse of a spot and will put up similar numbers as Rice did at the same age for a new team.Quote:
Originally Posted by badguy23The only reason he wont is the QB's in Sea. I've heard Flynn looks the worst of the bunch thus far in training camp. TO is a dick but to get him at this price is a steal.. Its only 600k against the cap..Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
They still didn't give him a very huge deal. Here is a quote from the first part of an article on the bleacher report.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJThey overpaid. They were the market in this case only 1 other team was in the running and they were lowballling him. Then Seattle came along and offered so much he couldnt say no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenfiftyam
Report: Dolphins make low-ball offer to Matt Flynn
Posted by Evan Silva on March 16, 2012, 12:58 PM EDT
Reuters
Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reports that the Miami Dolphins are “low-balling” free agent quarterback Matt Flynn in contract negotiations. The Dolphins’ thinking is apparently that Flynn wants so badly to play for head coach Joe Philbin, his offensive coordinator in Green Bay, that Flynn might be willing to settle for significantly less than market value.
Of course, market value for a quarterback with two career starts is ambiguous. Kevin Kolb signed a reported six-year, $65 million contract with the Cardinals last offseason after seven career starts. And that deal has already been considered for termination.
At the same time, the Dolphins don’t have much leverage. Top free agent target Peyton Manning resisted their overtures, and the quarterback market is otherwise devoid of franchise-caliber signal callers. Flynn is in a better spot, drawing interest from the Seattle Seahawks.
Could the Fins miss out on Peyton Manning, and Matt Flynn, too?
It certainly seems like they’re willing to take that risk.
"Former Green Bay Packers QB Matt Flynn decided to not wait around for Peyton Manning to choose his new team before picking his new uniform in free agency. Sunday, Flynn signed a three-year, $19 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks.
The important number here is 10, as in $10 million guaranteed, which is a very modest number for a possible starting quarterback. The word possible is chosen carefully as head coach Pete Carroll told CBS Sports Pat Kirwan that Flynn would be in a competition for the starting job with Tarvaris Jackson.
What does this move reveal about the Seahawks' draft plans?"
Full article here http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-year-contract
He was paid much less then Kolb and like I said before, he is worth what you pay him.
This isn't the consensus with people paying close attention. Flynn reps have been increasing and a guy I follow on twitter named the Hawk Blogger. He runs this kinda cheezy website but he is reputable with Seahawks info. He says the QB comp is over and it's Flynn's job. I'm not claiming the guy is gonna be a pro bowler but I have approached his signing very pessimistic and I'm starting to gain a little confidence in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by badguy23The only reason he wont is the QB's in Sea. I've heard Flynn looks the worst of the bunch thus far in training camp. TO is a dick but to get him at this price is a steal.. Its only 600k against the cap..Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
I agree that TO will only succeed if the QB whoever it is, is competent though. He is 38 but he has 0 history of off field drama (aside from baby mama drama). He doesn't drink or smoke or party late at night. He is in AMAZING shape. All he does is work sleep and thinks about how cool he is. Someone with that much confidence and physical ability will do as well as anyone imo. His QB just has to stay upright and see him get open.
$6.333 million per season for a starting QB is laughable! I had no idea that deal was so cheap. That only makes the Flynn signing that much better for Seattle.Quote:
Originally Posted by TenfiftyamThey still didn't give him a very huge deal. Here is a quote from the first part of an article on the bleacher report.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJ
"Former Green Bay Packers QB Matt Flynn decided to not wait around for Peyton Manning to choose his new team before picking his new uniform in free agency. Sunday, Flynn signed a three-year, $19 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks.
The important number here is 10, as in $10 million guaranteed, which is a very modest number for a possible starting quarterback. The word possible is chosen carefully as head coach Pete Carroll told CBS Sports Pat Kirwan that Flynn would be in a competition for the starting job with Tarvaris Jackson.
What does this move reveal about the Seahawks' draft plans?"
Full article here http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-year-contract
He was paid much less then Kolb and like I said before, he is worth what you pay him.
I don't fully understand NFL contracts to be honest but I do understand that because a contract is 19 mil 3 years, doesn't mean that you get 6.333m per year. The guaranteed money is what is important. And he will make 10 million dollars. The rest of that money is the MAXIMUM he can get after collecting bonuses for passing yards TDs starting games etc.... Money he won't collect if he doesn't start due to the inability to reach these stats. So 10 mil for 3 years is the real number you should be paying attention to like the article states. So even BETTER BETTER signing lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22$6.333 million per season for a starting QB is laughable! I had no idea that deal was so cheap. That only makes the Flynn signing that much better for Seattle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenfiftyam
You're a bit off. The 10 million is guaranteed, correct. If they cut him tomorrow they owe him that much. The 19 million total - he will get paid all of that as long as he is on the roster throughout the length of the contract. He has other performance bonuses that could boost him up to 24 million total.Quote:
Originally Posted by TenfiftyamI don't fully understand NFL contracts to be honest but I do understand that because a contract is 19 mil 3 years, doesn't mean that you get 6.333m per year. The guaranteed money is what is important. And he will make 10 million dollars. The rest of that money is the MAXIMUM he can get after collecting bonuses for passing yards TDs starting games etc.... Money he won't collect if he doesn't start due to the inability to reach these stats. So 10 mil for 3 years is the real number you should be paying attention to like the article states. So even BETTER BETTER signing lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
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Originally Posted by gutYou're a bit off. The 10 million is guaranteed, correct. If they cut him tomorrow they owe him that much. The 19 million total - he will get paid all of that as long as he is on the roster throughout the length of the contract. He has other performance bonuses that could boost him up to 24 million total.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenfiftyam
If he met every single one of the performance bonuses, then $8/million per season for a very good (he would have to perform to get it) NFL QB is so far below market value that its laughable.
I see, so I guess I was kinda wrong, but on the right track. Main point is I would bet that the 3 QBs on Seahawks combined are costing them about as much as Kolb is costing Arizona. So I don't feel like they really over-paid for him.
and odds are he won't get the majority of the performance bonuses. Usually only a small amount of those are for health related feats, which are attainable (be on the field for 90% of the teams snaps and etc.), the actual performance ones, usually the biggest $$ ones are almost impossible to hit (super bowl MVP, lead the league in passing yards, and the like.)Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
If he met every single one of the performance bonuses, then $8/million per season for a very good (he would have to perform to get it) NFL QB is so far below market value that its laughable.
I don't know where badguy is getting his information. Flynn hasn't looked like the 2nd coming of Joe Montana, but he has clearly been the best of the three so far in camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by TenfiftyamThis isn't the consensus with people paying close attention. Flynn reps have been increasing and a guy I follow on twitter named the Hawk Blogger. He runs this kinda cheezy website but he is reputable with Seahawks info. He says the QB comp is over and it's Flynn's job. I'm not claiming the guy is gonna be a pro bowler but I have approached his signing very pessimistic and I'm starting to gain a little confidence in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by badguy23
I agree that TO will only succeed if the QB whoever it is, is competent though. He is 38 but he has 0 history of off field drama (aside from baby mama drama). He doesn't drink or smoke or party late at night. He is in AMAZING shape. All he does is work sleep and thinks about how cool he is. Someone with that much confidence and physical ability will do as well as anyone imo. His QB just has to stay upright and see him get open.
Expect PC to whittle the competition down to 2 today or tomorrow and name Flynn as the starter by next Wednesday the 15th.
Last week I saw 2 guys report Russel Wilson looked the best but I have no clue who these guys were
He's looked better than Travaris, who has looked awful. Jackson has zero pocket presence and is unable to handle pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
Breaking News - Pete Carroll has announced that Matt Flynn will start the Seahawks first preseason game.
LOL u beat me to it.... Just saw this on twitter "@HawkBlogger Ha! Was talking to Flynn while Carroll was apparently telling media he would be the starter. Great news. He is the best qb for the job"Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
This is what I heard as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
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Originally Posted by TenfiftyamThis isn't the consensus with people paying close attention. Flynn reps have been increasing and a guy I follow on twitter named the Hawk Blogger. He runs this kinda cheezy website but he is reputable with Seahawks info. He says the QB comp is over and it's Flynn's job. I'm not claiming the guy is gonna be a pro bowler but I have approached his signing very pessimistic and I'm starting to gain a little confidence in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by badguy23
I agree that TO will only succeed if the QB whoever it is, is competent though. He is 38 but he has 0 history of off field drama (aside from baby mama drama). He doesn't drink or smoke or party late at night. He is in AMAZING shape. All he does is work sleep and thinks about how cool he is. Someone with that much confidence and physical ability will do as well as anyone imo. His QB just has to stay upright and see him get open.
I'm pretty sure you just lost any credibility you had when you say TO had 0 off field drama. Holy shit....
Thats 2 years a reality show and a torn acl ago. Not to mention a different team. your starting to sound like a 49er fan with Moss. Theres a reason no one wanted TO last year and 1 team does this year. If hes capable of those type of numbers I would think theyd be lining up for him. If TO stays healthy expect a solid 50 catches 750 yards and 4 tdsQuote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22In 14 GAMES in 2010 he had 72 catches for 972 yards and 9 TD. The only crazy talk is you assuming that over 14% more games that he cant get 3 more catches for 167 LESS yards and 2 LESS TDs?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJ
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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
Shocker. I hope its not windy.
Pete texted me right before the announcement, we're good like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TenfiftyamLOL u beat me to it.... Just saw this on twitter "@HawkBlogger Ha! Was talking to Flynn while Carroll was apparently telling media he would be the starter. Great news. He is the best qb for the job"Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
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Originally Posted by ShadyJQuote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
Shocker. I hope its not windy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8cQuote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicideQuote:
Originally Posted by Tenfiftyam
I'm pretty sure you just lost any credibility you had when you say TO had 0 off field drama. Holy shit....
Also to be clear I acknowledge his locker room rep and all that, I just considered that a football matter so included it in on field business. Never claimed he was gonna be amazing, just claimed he is unique compared to other WR of the same age. When I said 0 off field drama, more specifically I meant he isn't seen clubbing late at night, shooting up these clubs, selling drugs, beating women or even other men up etc.... If you have an example of otherwise I'd like to see it.
PC also stated that Russel Wilson will play the 2nd half on Saturday and will be taking 2nd team reps in practice. Jackson's reps will be decreased significantly.
Look for Jackson to get cut unless he is willing to take a significant pay decrease.
As a Vike fan, I laughed my ass off when Seattle signed TJack last year. Of course, he was Bevell's boy (another LOLCoordinator), but I was kinda glad that living in the pacNW I could watch the lulz unfold. He didn't change much. Clueless quarterback, no leadership, really just looks like he'd rather be anywhere else than doing what he's doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhXxzI9o_bo
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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
Cant wait to see Wilson. I'm telling you guys he is going to be good. Hes going to be the guy that sits behind Flynn and he wont say a word, but his teammates will want him to be the guy.
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How Much To Get Matt Flynn Back on the Packers?
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Seattle Seahawk QB Matt Flynn
While not exactly Packers news, I don’t think there are many readers of AllGreenBayPackers.com who aren’t at least a little bit interested in one Matt Flynn, who parlayed a couple solid games (including a spectacular week 17 game against Detroit) into a stepping stone to a NFL starting quarterback. Most fans were sad to see Flynn go, who might have been the best backup quarterback in the league, but with the demand for quarterbacks as high as it is in the NFL, many fans were happy with the compensatory pick that Flynn would likely net the Packers.
Fast forward a couple months, and the story is quite different; Flynn was signed to a lucrative contract, but nothing remotely close the deal many were expecting; I was the first to assume that Flynn would get something in the ball park of Kevin Kolb, another backup with lots of potential but not a lot of tape, who had received a 6-year $65 million contract, but Flynn got a 3 year, $19.5 million deal instead.
Also inexplicably, the Seahawks front office has decided the best way for Flynn to get used to his new team is to throw him into a quarterback competition with Tavaris Jackson (who realistically is first trying to make the team) and 3rd round rookie Russell Wilson (also signing Terrell Owens and Braylon Edwards makes little sense to me either). To me this means that Seattle isn’t all too confident in Flynn’s abilities, which is understandable considering Flynn played with some of the best offensive talent in the NFL and didn’t play all that much to boot (then again Seattle did pretty well with another Packers backup in a similar situation named Matt Hassellbeck).
With all this in mind, one interesting question is: Could the Packers get Flynn back? While he might not be a starter, I would say that he’s definitely capable of playing at a high enough level to cover for any Aaron Rodgers injuries and probably win a fair share of his games as well.
Here are the specifics of Flynn’s deal:
v Base: 3-year, $19.5 million total
•$10 million guaranteed (divided into three parts) ◦$6 million signing bonus
◦2012 salary ($2 million total)
◦$2 million of his 2013 salary ($5.25 million total)
•Additional $5 million of escalators
•Additional $2 million of “unlikely to be earned” incentives
•Yearly breakdown ◦2012: $2 million
◦2013: $5.25 million
◦2014: $6.25 million
So how much would it cost to get Flynn back with the Packers? Since the $6 million composing Flynn’s signing bonus is paid the moment he signs his contract (although technically the new CBA allows teams to divide the signing bonus evenly throughout the length of the contract, so in this case the Seahawks would pay Flynn $2 million for 3 years), the Seahawks are on the hook for $6 million regardless of what happens to Flynn. That means straight off, Flynn’s contract to the Packers is worth $19.5-$6 million = $13.5 million, which comes out to a yearly average of $4.5 million dollars a year.
Another distinction to note is that while Flynn’s 2012 salary is fully guaranteed and around 40% of his salary is guaranteed in 2013, none of Flynn’s contract is guaranteed in 2014 meaning the Packers could cut him without penalty. So really, Flynn would cost the Packers $7.25 million or $3.6 million a year over two years, which is very manageable. Maybe a little expensive for a player who hopefully will never see the field, but to give you a comparison, James Jones makes around that much and he’s anywhere from the 4th to 5th wide receiver on the roster.
So what situation would have to occur in order for Flynn to be traded back to the Packers? First, something catastrophic (like potentially career ending) would probably have to happen with Aaron Rodgers (and then maybe Graham Harrell too), in order for Ted Thompson to be willing to trade the high draft pick in order to get Flynn back (maybe throw in James Jones?). Also, Flynn would also likely have to play relatively poorly in the eyes of the Seahawks staff and get benched in favor of Russell Wilson. I would also assume it would have to be a relatively high draft choice unless Flynn falters so poorly that the Seahawks see him more as dead money.
Will this situation ever occur? I highly doubt it, while desperate Ted Thompson did pull Mark Tauscher out of retirement to play right tackle after the mess with Allen Barbre, Tauscher was a free agent and thus cost the team nothing in terms of draft compensation; most likely any advantage Flynn has in terms of familiarity with the scheme and team is offset by the cost it would take to get him back in Ted Thompson’s mind. Perhaps most importantly, Seattle would likely have to be so enamored with Russell Wilson (which reportedly they are very smitten with the diminutive quarterback) that they would be willing to cut their losses with Flynn at the tune of at least $6 million (plus what ever Flynn’s prorated yearly salary is at the time of the trade)
In my opinion, I don’t think there’s anyway that Flynn doesn’t ends up being the starting quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks for at least this year, being successful as a rookie quarterback is pretty hit or miss, but stranger things have happened. Personally, I hope to see Flynn start against his old team on September 24th when the Packers visit the Seahawks.
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Cut his fuckin ass
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You know that people will pick him in Fantasy Football based solely on name recognition. He's going to take up a roster spot and he's going to suck. Your boys will need all the help they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
Holy shit are there a lot of new Colts. We'll see how Luck does in his second game, against a much better Steelers defense, on Sunday evening.
Is there anything more frustrating in football than dropped balls?
As much as I follow football, I probably couldn't name half of the colts 22 starters. Off the top of my head, luck, brown, wayne, collie, mathis, freeney, angerer....and i'm stumped.Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyBYou know that people will pick him in Fantasy Football based solely on name recognition. He's going to take up a roster spot and he's going to suck. Your boys will need all the help they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
Holy shit are there a lot of new Colts. We'll see how Luck does in his second game, against a much better Steelers defense, on Sunday evening.
or sooner, Pete is giving Wilson the nod against the Chiefs on Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerPrince2
It's just preseason but he has looked damn impressive.
Niners win 13 games
Seahawks sounds like gibberish unless it's got something to do with my sweaty in the sun work hat. When I am dealing with the public, it's all Niners all Day.
Respect for Toney tho, rep where you stay and all that.
I'd move personally...
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Originally Posted by 408Mike
Make sure you count week 1 as a loss
I tried to tell you guys that Wilson would be the starter if given a fair chance, and hes getting his chance. If he does well I dont know how they can start Flynn over him, but if he bombs then Flynn will be the starter. I'm just hoping we can have our backup qb back, because harrell is fuckin awful.
Idk, when your quarterback consistently mistakes receivers hands and feet as being the target it can get pretty frustrating. And THEN there is still the issue of dropped balls to boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
oh, and jamarcus russell, I'd say that abomination (for raiders fans) ranks much higher on the list of frustrating things in football.