NEW RULE: Only I can escrow money for PFA contests, PLUS no running stakes on this site without prior permission

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

Tony- maybe it was Hockeyguy with the $100 that was in before me? I know for a fact one of you had put in $100 before i donated.

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Maybe so, I'll double check my dates for commitment and when I shipped.

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I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

Maybe so, I'll double check my dates for commitment and when I shipped.

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I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

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I committed and shipped the morning of June 20th.

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

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I committed and shipped the morning of June 20th.

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lol, you're not at fault at all.

No need for the two of you to go back and forth to make anyone feel better about the situation.

Everything you did had good intentions.

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

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I committed and shipped the morning of June 20th.

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I committed on 6/19 so I was in before you. Tuesday 6/19 I committed; the stake was to start on Wednesday 06/27. On 06/21 I received a PM asking me to ship the funds immediately. I did so. I should have picked off that he was being pretty pushy considering the stake wasnt to start for another week.

As far as his name goes, im not exactly sure what to believe. His paypal address shows one name, but then the description on my bank account shows another spelling variation that would read the same (made up example- Thomas Night and Tom Knite).

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

If he is reading it: I don't believe he had bad intentions (could be wrong, but it's my read from him), and if things are as the yappear to be, I hope he comes back and just explains the situation even if it makes him look terrible (lying about the stroke, in debt Brad Booth style, whatever). It's never too late to stop the charade, and at this point the amount he owes could easily be raised and repaid in the future. Just be honest if you fucked-up, we all do from time to time.

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I agree with all of this. I think he just had all of his cards crumble at once.

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Correct. If you read his two blogs he makes it very clear that he has a very bad gambling problem. I'm guessing most of the guys here did not read them before sending money (can't fault them as very few people read blogs). Most scammers are going to keep such secrets secrets under lock and key. Its quite possible he does have some health problems as well for real which are exacerbating the problem even more (bills, can't keep lying etc.)

So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.

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You can't blame people for not knowing how to run a scheme while someone is possibly scamming.

I'm sure nobody did anything in bad faith to tip him off. Just happened.

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.

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I kept my concerns very private (only told one other person my suspicions) but the above is just nutty: So your advice would have been to just let him keep taking people's money while people who knew better said nothing? This isn't a RICO case we were building trying to reel in the big fish by letting smaller crimes go unchecked

The idea is to keep it private and watch him scam so we can measure dick sizes later?

Wiess, what date did Templar send you some of the money he owed you? looking at the dates Tony and Jsears posted he paypaled me a 4 week old debt on 6/21 after i started expressed my annoyance, have paypal history to back up obv...

Oh and I'm not gonna say who told Templar, it was someone who doesn't know a lot about this type of shit and that person thought I was being an asshole for thinking someone like Templar could possibly scam anyone, I expressed that I had a long history in gambling and have seen many, many scams unfold and that wasn't good enough.

Aka Beebs lol

What'd I win?

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Originally Posted by Vwls

I have a faint memory of Sparky Griswold from back in the day on Tyde; he had posted about getting a piece of property where he planned to keep his rescue dogs. He even posted photos of the property. Anyone remember the location? That might fill in the gap between Vegas and New Yprk? No idea. I wasn't around for the Chaz incidents, but Jewdonk did post that Sparky was Chaz, so that was established. Is the only connection between Sparky/Chaz and Templar the dog thing? If so, I'll tell you my only (probably not useful) observation:

The Templar was a rescuer of cats, not pit bulls (as far as I know). He may have a had a single pit bull (posted in the dog thread), but I spoke to him on several occasions and he never talked about dogs. He definitely had a brood of kittens he had rescued - we talked about them more than once. Seemed like a super nice guy - hope this does not turn out to be true.

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Originally Posted by TheTemplar

If you or anyone knows someone in the NY area looking for a little buddy. This poor guy needs a good home.

7 month old Pitt, rescue. Feel free to message me for more info.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJOuvEcarNs

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Originally Posted by Jasep

Wiess, what date did Templar send you some of the money he owed you? looking at the dates Tony and Jsears posted he paypaled me a 4 week old debt on 6/21 after i started expressed my annoyance, have paypal history to back up obv...

Oh and I'm not gonna say who told Templar, it was someone who doesn't know a lot about this type of shit and that person thought I was being an asshole for thinking someone like Templar could possibly scam anyone, I expressed that I had a long history in gambling and have seen many, many scams unfold and that wasn't good enough.

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He paid me on June 25th. Here is a screen shot of the history. I erased his full name on there, but left in each initial so you'd know who send it if you have his info.

Also, stop calling me Wiess. It's EI not IE:)




Also, it took him about a month to send me that 50$ after saying he'd pay me back within 24 hours of sending 100$ to him.

I didn't think too much of it, and let myself get scammed for a max of 100$.

He ended up sending 50 after I started to haggle him for a couple weeks. It's hard to bother a guy when he says his mom just died etc etc etc. The excuses kept coming

21st for me...



Also, on the 21 he sent me money for a swap for Six Toe Pete on ACR and money for a transfer

I before E except after C has failed me Weiss

and I had the same hassle/mom dying situation too... I waited until enough time passed from his mother dying to start asking for my money, but it was 4 weeks after I was suppose to receive it

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Originally Posted by Sandwich

Considering that there are many of us out here who have evidently engaged in small, and perhaps not so small, online (paypal, bank transfer, online poker) transactions with The Templar... will you please disclose the nature of these conversations, and what "behaviors" you are talking about?

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Someone that I had warned was highly offended by me saying be on the look out and told templar, and he confronted me about it and I told him he looked like a scammer and I gave him maybe 10 examples of how different things he was doing looked like a scam but unsuspecting people wouldn't realize it. He even agreed with me that he seemed like a scammer. Again, never having any proof I wasn't gonna put a guy on blast on a hunch and behavior patterns. I private messaged Druff about it awhile ago with my concerns, I messaged Druff again before the whole stroke thing with more concerns, I warned a few people who I thought may not be experienced enough to see it coming or were just trusting people..

I think the BAP was private so that the people who felt like something wasn't right (Me, Wiess, China, Willie) wouldn't be able to warn guys like Tony. Just my opinion on that one.
(I'm sorry Tony, I wish you had asked me my opinion before buying the BAP)

There is a decent chance that Templar has some money coming from a contest in about a week. If he does in fact have that money coming I will send it to Druff to get it sorted among the people owed.

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then i'm surprised Druff let Templar be in charge of the escrow for the PFA tournament
that is what he got my $25 for so lets hope he wins to clear up some debt

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

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I committed and shipped the morning of June 20th.

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funny i shipped June 20th too after being hounded by PM's from Templar for 2 days
seems like he had a lot going on and he had to pull in as much as he could at the time

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.

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You can't blame people for not knowing how to run a scheme while someone is possibly scamming.

I'm sure nobody did anything in bad faith to tip him off. Just happened.

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surprised you didn't pick up on it sooner Weiss were your spiddie antenna not working ?

after reading all the shit the THE TEMPLAR had running he no doubt crashed and burned

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Originally Posted by Jasep

21st for me...



Also, on the 21 he sent me money for a swap for Six Toe Pete on ACR and money for a transfer

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So he was running a ponzi scheme of sorts, robbing peter to pay paul

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Originally Posted by Rollo Tomasi

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Originally Posted by Jasep

Someone that I had warned was highly offended by me saying be on the look out and told templar, and he confronted me about it and I told him he looked like a scammer and I gave him maybe 10 examples of how different things he was doing looked like a scam but unsuspecting people wouldn't realize it. He even agreed with me that he seemed like a scammer. Again, never having any proof I wasn't gonna put a guy on blast on a hunch and behavior patterns. I private messaged Druff about it awhile ago with my concerns, I messaged Druff again before the whole stroke thing with more concerns, I warned a few people who I thought may not be experienced enough to see it coming or were just trusting people..

I think the BAP was private so that the people who felt like something wasn't right (Me, Wiess, China, Willie) wouldn't be able to warn guys like Tony. Just my opinion on that one.
(I'm sorry Tony, I wish you had asked me my opinion before buying the BAP)

There is a decent chance that Templar has some money coming from a contest in about a week. If he does in fact have that money coming I will send it to Druff to get it sorted among the people owed.

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then i'm surprised Druff let Templar be in charge of the escrow for the PFA tournament
that is what he got my $25 for so lets hope he wins to clear up some debt

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

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I committed and shipped the morning of June 20th.

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funny i shipped June 20th too after being hounded by PM's from Templar for 2 days
seems like he had a lot going on and he had to pull in as much as he could at the time

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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.

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You can't blame people for not knowing how to run a scheme while someone is possibly scamming.

I'm sure nobody did anything in bad faith to tip him off. Just happened.

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surprised you didn't pick up on it sooner Weiss were your spiddie antenna not working ?

after reading all the shit the THE TEMPLAR had running he no doubt crashed and burned

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I pmed Druff literally as soon as I let him borrow money. this is literally almost 2 months ago, and warned him not to allow Templar to escrow the tourney money because of striking similarities to when fminc held the heads up nwp tourney money.


My scammer senses are always on point

Yeah, I jsut checked, I sent Druff a warning on June 13th, and someone I know sent him one even earlier. the PFa league thread started on the 18th, so I don't know wtf happened....

actually the screen shot i posted was money i sent him back that he sent me for a transfer that i didn't wind up doing... but you get the point, i can go get the correct screen shot from 2 lines down but that doesn't seem necessary

Anyone rescuing animals [especially dogs] from death row is cool in my book.

The Templar has a message for PFA.;)
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuysVCJ7Ito

Does this have any affect on the ROY standings?

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Does this have any affect on the ROY standings?

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:lol2

My point, which obviously all of you missed, was to not tell HIM and had nothing to do with not telling each other. And LOL at the idiots who think this is still a "misunderstanding" and making excuses about him having a gambling problem.

You are the naive losers that deserve to get taken, wake the fuck up.

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

My point, which obviously all of you missed, was to not tell HIM and had nothing to do with not telling each other. And LOL at the idiots who think this is still a "misunderstanding" and making excuses about him having a gambling problem.

You are the naive losers that deserve to get taken, wake the fuck up.

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As someone who thinks this is a scam. I also don't think he intended to rip everyone off initially.

I've been there. I don't see how you rule this out. I'm far from naive when it comes to these things.

people get in over their heads.

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

My point, which obviously all of you missed, was to not tell HIM and had nothing to do with not telling each other. And LOL at the idiots who think this is still a "misunderstanding" and making excuses about him having a gambling problem.

You are the naive losers that deserve to get taken, wake the fuck up.

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No one is making excuses. Whether he has a gambling problem or not he should be forced to answer for his actions. MY comments abotu the gambling problem were made to solidify the idea that it is likely that somethign is not right here.

Also BTW druff took a lot of flack when he and dd management chose not to out peterdc right away and protect members of donkdown (only a few inside guys were warned and not the public).

He also sent me a few pms after i said i would have liked omaha8 to be part of the league. This was the first one he sent.

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Hey man I hope you do get in on this league. The next one I do is going to be the 0/8 Champions League. Where we will only play Pot limit 0/8, and Limit 0/8.

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Didnt think much of it at the time but now that all this has happened its obv he was just bullshitting here to get me on board and ship the money.

Also I feel like Todd was sleeping at the wheel here. Considering he has a site dedicated to exposing frauds in poker it must be embarrasing for him to have this happen right under his nose. First jsearles and now the templar its amazing how easy it has been for people to scam on his site. The bap was done in private so we cant give him any blame for that but i do feel he should have been on to the league scam considering this has happened in the past.

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then i'm surprised Druff let Templar be in charge of the escrow for the PFA tournament
that is what he got my $25 for so lets hope he wins to clear up some debt

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

I shipped via Paypal on June 21st. I had committed before that and I think thetemplar immediately updated his site as soon as someone had committed even if they hadnt shipped yet. Obviously this would be done to entice future investors.

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I committed and shipped the morning of June 20th.

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funny i shipped June 20th too after being hounded by PM's from Templar for 2 days
seems like he had a lot going on and he had to pull in as much as he could at the time

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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.

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You can't blame people for not knowing how to run a scheme while someone is possibly scamming.

I'm sure nobody did anything in bad faith to tip him off. Just happened.

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surprised you didn't pick up on it sooner Weiss were your spiddie antenna not working ?

after reading all the shit the THE TEMPLAR had running he no doubt crashed and burned

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I pmed Druff literally as soon as I let him borrow money. this is literally almost 2 months ago, and warned him not to allow Templar to escrow the tourney money because of striking similarities to when fminc held the heads up nwp tourney money.


My scammer senses are always on point

Yeah, I jsut checked, I sent Druff a warning on June 13th, and someone I know sent him one even earlier. the PFa league thread started on the 18th, so I don't know wtf happened....

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He also sent me a few pms after i said i would have liked omaha8 to be part of the league. This was the first one he sent.

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Hey man I hope you do get in on this league. The next one I do is going to be the 0/8 Champions League. Where we will only play Pot limit 0/8, and Limit 0/8.

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Didnt think much of it at the time but now that all this has happened its obv he was just bullshitting here to get me on board and ship the money.

Also I feel like Todd was sleeping at the wheel here. Considering he has a site dedicated to exposing frauds in poker it must be embarrasing for him to have this happen right under his nose. First jsearles and now the templar its amazing how easy it has been for people to scam on his site. The bap was done in private so we cant give him any blame for that but i do feel he should have been on to the league scam considering this has happened in the past.

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:this




not to derail but glad Druff locked the SlimT abortion thread ship it to Outer Mongolia

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Originally Posted by Jasep

LOL @ rewriting history, somehow 2 days became almost a week and me paying you within 24 hours of me saying I would pay you in 24 hours equals me being bust... And you can stand by what you said, that doesn't change the fact that what you said was almost completely wrong

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This will be the last time I post on this topic, Fact #1. You ducked me for almost a week in total. Fact #2. You owed me cash and knew you did. Fact #3. If I didn't blow you up on the forums You would have ducked me for much longer. Fact #4. I 100% did nothing wrong here. Fact # 5. You are the one who was in the wrong here, slow paying, ducking, avoiding all texts/phone calls, I know my dog was sick, my moma was sick, I lost my phone, blah blah blah, and last but not least, Fuck off, Thanks 4BET

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Don’t fool yourself, what 100 people telling you it was BS wasn’t enough?
The only thing I'd agree w/ is you did have the right to make a post, just like you have the right to do whatever the F you want.
. Doesn't mean you aren't an asshole, and actually TY from the group (except for Jasep) as we know now "don't do ANY business w/this whiney bitch."

And who ever made that other $ 20 post w/ Templar fucking him on the resume, PM your paypal, I'll kick you that $ 5, so you are only out $ 15.

Bottom line, any $$$ you can’t afford to lose, don’t put it out on an unsecured internet transaction.

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Originally Posted by 4BET

This will be the last time I post on this topic, Fact #1. You ducked me for almost a week in total. Fact #2. You owed me cash and knew you did. Fact #3. If I didn't blow you up on the forums You would have ducked me for much longer. Fact #4. I 100% did nothing wrong here. Fact # 5. You are the one who was in the wrong here, slow paying, ducking, avoiding all texts/phone calls, I know my dog was sick, my moma was sick, I lost my phone, blah blah blah, and last but not least, Fuck off, Thanks 4BET

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Don’t fool yourself, what 100 people telling you it was BS wasn’t enough?
The only thing I'd agree w/ is you did have the right to make a post, just like you have the right to do whatever the F you want.
. Doesn't mean you aren't an asshole, and actually TY from the group (except for Jasep) as we know now "don't do ANY business w/this whiney bitch."

And who ever made that other $ 20 post w/ Templar fucking him on the resume, PM your paypal, I'll kick you that $ 5, so you are only out $ 15.

Bottom line, any $$$ you can’t afford to lose, don’t put it out on an unsecured internet transaction.

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I have a no comment rule on this matter but please GFYS

Gentlemen, there's only 1 possible conclusion that makes sense.


Druff is TheTemplar!!

I never did ship any money for the league however, I recall now finding it strange, cause i'm pretty sure the league idea wasn't even his.
He just kinda ran off with it cause he had just done that heads up tourney. When i think back about it now, he was kind of over eager
to be the main man in charge however trying to play it calmly saying shit like "I'll run it if you guys want" type shit, i dunno just saying.


Edit: wanna say it was bubbles' idea for a league in the chat during radio. (could very well be wrong obv)

I started this thread.
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...t=poker+league

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

So the consensus is that he is one of the following:

1 -- A small time scammer (potentially a dupe account of some otehr scammers)

2 -- A stroke victim who maybe has more important things going on than paying back a few hundred bucks (maybe up to a $1,000)

BUT, there is always the third possibility that he is simply a degenerate gambler and ended up losing the money? I know someone who would do the same thing, take small amounts thinking he could pay it back when his "sure thing" came in, but ended up losing it and then would duck everyone til he did make a score.

I generally avoided him on the forums because something was setting off alarm bells in my head (not saying he is a scammer, just that something seemed "off" about him and his story). He just seemed too willing to make a bet, and fast-talking about his life but was unwilling to divulge who he was despite doing all of these amazing/degen/crazy things. This is why I quickly changed the idea of a prop bet for that WSOP Fantasy team from $$$ to a signature-change bet.

I have dealt with two of the bigger online poker scammers in my life on two different levels:

--TheAlex who rolled the neverbeg staking forum for five-figures, was someone I spoke to on the phone, discussed poker strategy with, and he even played a WSOP Main Event sattelite for me back in the day (My son's baby shower was the same day) so I guess I'm guilty of account sharing circa 2006 :D Even though this was one of my best poekr friends at the time, and someone I had known for two or three years, when he played the satellite on InterPoker for me I emptied the account beforehand (I think I left like $50 so it didn't look like I did) and changed the password..... As a side note, 10 people got seats, he finished 14th when AT>AQ FML

--Nick "NGaskin" Gaskin who rolled 2+2 for FTP point conversions (a couple thousand i believe) was my second dust-up with a scammer but I repeatedly warned people about him as I had that "not right" felling about him.

I guess my experience with these two makes me skeptical of anyone on forums singing their own praises. I see a lot of similarities here (TheAlex went missing for a bit only to return with some story about getting hit by a car, another time he started a t-shirt company, and had his own personal demons he would often talk about). He was also a lot like Templar in that he was young, and had done so much in life: he was a student at DePaul, was in a band, was a high-stakes bowler, pro poker player, yada yada yada. Also, the cons usually start out small so they can either build-up trust or if they can't pay just disappear into the night and show up with a new identity. I remember NGaskin tried to bink a much larger score by PMing people looking for huge transfers, but when it didn't work he came on the forums saying he got hacked and used that as a sob story of why his money was now locked-up (in the end he only managed to pull off the FTP scam).

I AM NOT SAYING TEMPLAR IS GUILTY. But, please people, don't trust people on an internet forum with your money unless they are well-known and have something to lose that makes stealing a couple hundred bucks an idiotic idea (AKA Druff). Basically, I wouldn't trust me with any considerable amount of money if I was in someone else's shoes on this forum even though: I've made a small bet with Jasep and paid, done a couple BAP transactions with Druff and China, and done some other small financial transactions with Jasep. AND my name is out there for all to see.

Sometimes we forget that $500 is a lot of money to some people, and if you're in enough of a bind it IS worth stealing.

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This is the dumbest thing I've read on the Internet ever. It's never worth it dude.

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So much over analysis in this thread...wow.

The guy was setting up a long con, building up trust and rep with small amounts/lot of people in hopes of parlaying that into a bigger score later. Simple as that.

He realized it wasn't going to work, and bounced because a bunch of idiots had to run their fucking mouth about our suspicions and tipped him off. I told several of these dumbfucks to delete certain forum posts through PM, but they left them up and there was one in particular I knew was going to scare him off and sure enough he was gone the next day.

Jasep, please tell us who the person was who went and told him about your concerns. They might be the dumbest person alive, and we should all know who this idiot is.

If certain people would have just kept their mouth shut we could have had a lot more time to investigate behind the scenes without him knowing. Instead they ran him off before we could really get to the bottom of it. There were MANY people who were talking behind the scenes long before the stroke, but of course a few had to fuck it all up.

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I agree with this guy. I think the community needs to know who the fucking snitch is.

It's amazing more people around here don't have the never borrow, never loan rule that I do. Especially those of you who have been scammed numerous times. Fool me once....

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He also sent me a few pms after i said i would have liked omaha8 to be part of the league. This was the first one he sent.

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Hey man I hope you do get in on this league. The next one I do is going to be the 0/8 Champions League. Where we will only play Pot limit 0/8, and Limit 0/8.

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Didnt think much of it at the time but now that all this has happened its obv he was just bullshitting here to get me on board and ship the money.

Also I feel like Todd was sleeping at the wheel here. Considering he has a site dedicated to exposing frauds in poker it must be embarrasing for him to have this happen right under his nose. First jsearles and now the templar its amazing how easy it has been for people to scam on his site. The bap was done in private so we cant give him any blame for that but i do feel he should have been on to the league scam considering this has happened in the past.

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I partially agree with this. First off, this thread needs to be in the scams section. That section was supposed to be what this site was all about and its tumbleweed highway over there.

Secondly, I think Druff needs to seriously consider changing the name of this website. He's only one guy and he was busy with the WSOP so nobody should blame him...the guy has a family and general life to deal with.

I kinda felt bad for him having to come babysit half the threads last night shortly after he busted the main event...I'm sure that's exactly what he was hoping for.

Some of you guys are just idiots.

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So the consensus is that he is one of the following:

1 -- A small time scammer (potentially a dupe account of some otehr scammers)

2 -- A stroke victim who maybe has more important things going on than paying back a few hundred bucks (maybe up to a $1,000)

BUT, there is always the third possibility that he is simply a degenerate gambler and ended up losing the money? I know someone who would do the same thing, take small amounts thinking he could pay it back when his "sure thing" came in, but ended up losing it and then would duck everyone til he did make a score.

I generally avoided him on the forums because something was setting off alarm bells in my head (not saying he is a scammer, just that something seemed "off" about him and his story). He just seemed too willing to make a bet, and fast-talking about his life but was unwilling to divulge who he was despite doing all of these amazing/degen/crazy things. This is why I quickly changed the idea of a prop bet for that WSOP Fantasy team from $$$ to a signature-change bet.

I have dealt with two of the bigger online poker scammers in my life on two different levels:

--TheAlex who rolled the neverbeg staking forum for five-figures, was someone I spoke to on the phone, discussed poker strategy with, and he even played a WSOP Main Event sattelite for me back in the day (My son's baby shower was the same day) so I guess I'm guilty of account sharing circa 2006 :D Even though this was one of my best poekr friends at the time, and someone I had known for two or three years, when he played the satellite on InterPoker for me I emptied the account beforehand (I think I left like $50 so it didn't look like I did) and changed the password..... As a side note, 10 people got seats, he finished 14th when AT>AQ FML

--Nick "NGaskin" Gaskin who rolled 2+2 for FTP point conversions (a couple thousand i believe) was my second dust-up with a scammer but I repeatedly warned people about him as I had that "not right" felling about him.

I guess my experience with these two makes me skeptical of anyone on forums singing their own praises. I see a lot of similarities here (TheAlex went missing for a bit only to return with some story about getting hit by a car, another time he started a t-shirt company, and had his own personal demons he would often talk about). He was also a lot like Templar in that he was young, and had done so much in life: he was a student at DePaul, was in a band, was a high-stakes bowler, pro poker player, yada yada yada. Also, the cons usually start out small so they can either build-up trust or if they can't pay just disappear into the night and show up with a new identity. I remember NGaskin tried to bink a much larger score by PMing people looking for huge transfers, but when it didn't work he came on the forums saying he got hacked and used that as a sob story of why his money was now locked-up (in the end he only managed to pull off the FTP scam).

I AM NOT SAYING TEMPLAR IS GUILTY. But, please people, don't trust people on an internet forum with your money unless they are well-known and have something to lose that makes stealing a couple hundred bucks an idiotic idea (AKA Druff). Basically, I wouldn't trust me with any considerable amount of money if I was in someone else's shoes on this forum even though: I've made a small bet with Jasep and paid, done a couple BAP transactions with Druff and China, and done some other small financial transactions with Jasep. AND my name is out there for all to see.

Sometimes we forget that $500 is a lot of money to some people, and if you're in enough of a bind it IS worth stealing.

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This is the dumbest thing I've read on the Internet ever. It's never worth it dude.

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If you're about to get beat to shit and don't have a dime to your name it is: If you lost your kids' formula money or the rent playing dice $500 is a damn lot of money. Why the fuck do you think people steal bike's and laptops worth $100??? Get your head out of the clouds and come back to the real world, $50, nevermind $500, is a lot of money to some people

***EDIT*** If you don't think so go stand at a subway terminal in a semi-crappy area with $500 in your hand, and then tell the person robbing you at knife point how it's not worth it.

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This is the dumbest thing I've read on the Internet ever. It's never worth it dude.

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If you're about to get beat to shit and don't have a dime to your name it is: If you lost your kids' formula money or the rent playing dice $500 is a damn lot of money. Why the fuck do you think people steal bike's and laptops worth $100??? Get your head out of the clouds and come back to the real world, $50, nevermind $500, is a lot of money to some people

***EDIT*** If you don't think so go stand at a subway terminal in a semi-crappy area with $500 in your hand, and then tell the person robbing you at knife point how it's not worth it.

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I would die before I stole a fucking dime from anyone. End of story. Do you know the number one attribute the wealthiest of wealthy use to describe themselves? Integrity. That is the one word I use to live by. I would fucking die before I took a dime.

These people on this site, like weisman..career scammers and proud of it. They are broke a worthless for a reason and will remain so. I heard that jerkoff once on DD radio when he scammed some guy, claimed he had the money to pay him but wouldn't..because he "didn't feel like it." These are the kind of scumfucks that poison these up and coming communities.

Steve-O: I didn't mean that as a personal attack on you, so I apologize if you took it that way. I suppose there are a lot of people who think that way. I say to them...get a fucking job.

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If you're about to get beat to shit and don't have a dime to your name it is: If you lost your kids' formula money or the rent playing dice $500 is a damn lot of money. Why the fuck do you think people steal bike's and laptops worth $100??? Get your head out of the clouds and come back to the real world, $50, nevermind $500, is a lot of money to some people

***EDIT*** If you don't think so go stand at a subway terminal in a semi-crappy area with $500 in your hand, and then tell the person robbing you at knife point how it's not worth it.

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I would die before I stole a fucking dime from anyone. End of story. Do you know the number one attribute the wealthiest of wealthy use to describe themselves? Integrity. That is the one word I use to live by. I would fucking die before I took a dime.

These people on this site, like weisman..career scammers and proud of it. They are broke a worthless for a reason and will remain so. I heard that jerkoff once on DD radio when he scammed some guy, claimed he had the money to pay him but wouldn't..because he "didn't feel like it." These are the kind of scumfucks that poison these up and coming communities.

Steve-O: I didn't mean that as a personal attack on you, so I apologize if you took it that way. I suppose there are a lot of people who think that way. I say to them...get a fucking job.

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I get what you are saying now, and I agree with you that stealing/scamming is never a good answer. I wasn't condoning his behavior in anyway, just expalining it. When some poeple are desperate they do desperate things is what I was implying, and that in certain circumstances $500 IS a lot of money to someone. Not saying what happened was right because he was desparate, just saying it happened because he was desparate

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I would die before I stole a fucking dime from anyone. End of story. Do you know the number one attribute the wealthiest of wealthy use to describe themselves? Integrity. That is the one word I use to live by. I would fucking die before I took a dime.

These people on this site, like weisman..career scammers and proud of it. They are broke a worthless for a reason and will remain so. I heard that jerkoff once on DD radio when he scammed some guy, claimed he had the money to pay him but wouldn't..because he "didn't feel like it." These are the kind of scumfucks that poison these up and coming communities.

Steve-O: I didn't mean that as a personal attack on you, so I apologize if you took it that way. I suppose there are a lot of people who think that way. I say to them...get a fucking job.

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I get what you are saying now, and I agree with you that stealing/scamming is never a good answer. I wasn't condoning his behavior in anyway, just expalining it. When some poeple are desperate they do desperate things is what I was implying, and that in certain circumstances $500 IS a lot of money to someone. Not saying what happened was right because he was desparate, just saying it happened because he was desparate

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I understand where you are coming from and $500 is still a lot of money to most people, including myself.

I agree with Steve O.

Many people would do a lot more than scam for 500. I see reports on the news sometimes where some dudes hold up a liquor store and get like 200 bucks out of it. Even if they were expecting more, they couldnt be expecting huge money from a thing like that, but still they commit a felony that could land them in prison for years.

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I would die before I stole a fucking dime from anyone. End of story. Do you know the number one attribute the wealthiest of wealthy use to describe themselves? Integrity. That is the one word I use to live by. I would fucking die before I took a dime.

These people on this site, like weisman..career scammers and proud of it. They are broke a worthless for a reason and will remain so. I heard that jerkoff once on DD radio when he scammed some guy, claimed he had the money to pay him but wouldn't..because he "didn't feel like it." These are the kind of scumfucks that poison these up and coming communities.

Steve-O: I didn't mean that as a personal attack on you, so I apologize if you took it that way. I suppose there are a lot of people who think that way. I say to them...get a fucking job.

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I get what you are saying now, and I agree with you that stealing/scamming is never a good answer. I wasn't condoning his behavior in anyway, just expalining it. When some poeple are desperate they do desperate things is what I was implying, and that in certain circumstances $500 IS a lot of money to someone. Not saying what happened was right because he was desparate, just saying it happened because he was desparate

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And I don't want to come off like I'm riding your jock but I always had you pegged for ROY, with hockey guy runner up. I never "got" Templar. Just wasn't my style. I considered him part of the Jesep, Bootsy clique.