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never heard of her before today, and I have been mocked for being a poker nerd. She should just shut her yap. Howard is well within his rights to be there and play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Binklage
She's a MS/HSNL cash pro who had 6-figs tied up for ages after Black Friday. She's not just confronting Howard for the attention, she legitimately resents his presence at her table in the main event (and justifiably so).Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps
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Originally Posted by DJ_Chapsnever heard of her before today, and I have been mocked for being a poker nerd. She should just shut her yap. Howard is well within his rights to be there and play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Binklage
sure he has the right to play there. but the players who were affected by this theft (because that's what it was, THEFT) have the right, and the duty, to shame this motherfucker until there's no tomorrow. He's getting off lucky. Because people should be throwing rotten vegetables at him.
and just because "a poker nerd" hasn't heard of her doesn't mean she shouldn't be doing what she's doing.
I bet, if you had 6 figures taken from you, and you saw the guy who was responsible, and that guy got ZERO jailtime, and is still a free man, you'd be shouting from the rooftops about it.
Howard Lederer is a fucking piece of dog shit. And as such, should be treated that way. Doesn't matter where he goes, even if he's in the buffet line, people should be shaming him for everything he's done to the poker world. He left a nice wake of destruction in his path to riches. And for that, he should be publicly shamed at all chances.
the fall out should be so bad from this (i'm surprised it isn't) that he should be living in Siberia.
all in all, Fuck howard Lederer, and fuck you Chappy for defending him just now.
Oh so they have the right to harass him eh? Not just that but you think he should be subjected to assault as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryLafferQuote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps
sure he has the right to play there. but the players who were affected by this theft (because that's what it was, THEFT) have the right, and the duty, to shame this motherfucker until there's no tomorrow. He's getting off lucky. Because people should be throwing rotten vegetables at him.
and just because "a poker nerd" hasn't heard of her doesn't mean she shouldn't be doing what she's doing.
I bet, if you had 6 figures taken from you, and you saw the guy who was responsible, and that guy got ZERO jailtime, and is still a free man, you'd be shouting from the rooftops about it.
Howard Lederer is a fucking piece of dog shit. And as such, should be treated that way. Doesn't matter where he goes, even if he's in the buffet line, people should be shaming him for everything he's done to the poker world. He left a nice wake of destruction in his path to riches. And for that, he should be publicly shamed at all chances.
the fall out should be so bad from this (i'm surprised it isn't) that he should be living in Siberia.
all in all, Fuck howard Lederer, and fuck you Chappy for defending him just now.
Don't call me Chappy.....it exposes the fact that you are a dupe and you had done a decent job hiding that fact until now.
Lol chaps v Larry WHOS POORER
HOWARD & CHRIS GET TOO MUCH OF A HARD TIME FROM A BUNCH OF LOSERS WHO HAVE NO OTHER SKILLS IN LIFE OTHER THAN TRYING TO FLEECE DONKEYS OF THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY.
Ppl that have other things to contribute to society moved on.
Anybody that gives these guys a hard time likely has questionable moral character
its not their fault the govt screwed us all, just bad timing for them.
It's not their fault that the timing of their fraud was bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
Come on, you don't really believe this, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
The government's intervention on April 15, 2011 did not affect the money that was already stolen by Full Tilt. The government simply put a halt to the scam (though they didn't realize it was a scam at the time of the bust!)
On 4/15/11, Full Tilt was broke, and they had stolen all of our $300 million that they were supposed to be holding for us.
That's why everyone is so pissed, and rightfully so.
Here is my writeup for my WSOP Main Event Day 1.
Disappointing, but still alive, and an apparently good table draw for Day 2: http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...l=1#post562464
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffCome on, you don't really believe this, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
The government's intervention on April 15, 2011 did not affect the money that was already stolen by Full Tilt. The government simply put a halt to the scam (though they didn't realize it was a scam at the time of the bust!)
On 4/15/11, Full Tilt was broke, and they had stolen all of our $300 million that they were supposed to be holding for us.
That's why everyone is so pissed, and rightfully so.
Hmmm guess I forgot about that...I'm just tired of hearing "professional" players who should pursue other careers say Howard & Chris ruined their life
I am idiot. Who cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
Lol Wow vs Corky from Life Goes On, who has the more severe case of downs syndrome?
Hey chaps great story
Some of these pros were indeed stupid in that they had a 250k life roll and 230k of it was on Full Tilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedishQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Hmmm guess I forgot about that...I'm just tired of hearing "professional" players who should pursue other careers say Howard & Chris ruined their life
I used to repeatedly warn everyone not to do things like that, as even the most "stable" sites were still operating illegally and without regulation, so your money was not as safe as it appeared.
However, I'm still in the camp to where you don't blame a victim of a theft just because they acted stupidly with their money.
For example, if you left $20,000 sitting on the passenger seat of your parked car, and came back to find the window smashed and the $20k gone, I would be the first person to say that you were an idiot. However, the guy who stole it is still a scumbag thief and still deserves to be punished for his crime. And you still have the right to be pissed at him.
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Originally Posted by lol wow
i'll admit that my life roll is being depleted by my ever so awesome jew lawyer.
but i haven't had to sell my A4 yet, so i guess i got that going for me.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffSome of these pros were indeed stupid in that they had a 250k life roll and 230k of it was on Full Tilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
I used to repeatedly warn everyone not to do things like that, as even the most "stable" sites were still operating illegally and without regulation, so your money was not as safe as it appeared.
However, I'm still in the camp to where you don't blame a victim of a theft just because they acted stupidly with their money.
For example, if you left $20,000 sitting on the passenger seat of your parked car, and came back to find the window smashed and the $20k gone, I would be the first person to say that you were an idiot. However, the guy who stole it is still a scumbag thief and still deserves to be punished for his crime. And you still have the right to be pissed at him.
Howard & Chris were just a cpl poker players riding the gravy train right and had no reason to believe the gravy train was bout to stop?? So if the government doesn't shut down the sites, nobody woulda been the wiser? Coulda happened to anybody, I blame the guy whos shady enough to lie about health issues (bitar)
the reason why howard & chris showed up this year is they probly felt like they never really did anything wrong and just got unlucky for the most part
They weren't just riding a gravy train.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedishQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Howard & Chris were just a cpl poker players riding the gravy train right and had no reason to believe the gravy train was bout to stop?? So if the government doesn't shut down the sites, nobody woulda been the wiser? Coulda happened to anybody, I blame the guy whos shady enough to lie about health issues (bitar)
the reason why howard & chris showed up this year is they probly felt like they never really did anything wrong and just got unlucky for the most part
Howard and Chris were two of four board members who approved of stealing the player money in order to keep the company afloat.
Even more offensive, Full Tilt was still giving out profit distributions to owners (despite there no longer being profit) while they were stealing player money.
If the government didn't bust them in April 2011, the scam would have just continued longer, and would have been for even more money.
They only cared about having enough player funds to process expected cashouts, rather than having all player money on hand.
No matter which way you try to spin it, it's clear that Howard and Chris were stealing player money, which was not theirs to touch.
You're correct that neither believe they did anything wrong. They have talked themselves into believing that they were simply borrowing from player funds after various unexpected things occurred which depleted Full Tilt's operating funds. They figured that their choice was to either "borrow" this money or shut the site down, so they chose to "borrow" it, and then things just didn't go as planned.
But that's bullshit. You can't give yourself loans by stealing from other people (even if you think you intend to repay). If you have depleted company funds, you need to either sell the company or get investments/loans from third parties in order to keep operating. Stealing other people's money is never an option.
The problem is that Howard and Chris saw player money as "theirs" just because they were holding it for us.
Sidedish, let's say you were staying in my room during WSOP. Let's say that I chunked off my life savings during that time, and needed $10k to enter the Main. Rather than seeking a stake to get in, I simply open up the room safe and steal your $10k, figuring that I will give you that $10k back if I end up cashing.
Would you be cool with that?
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffThey weren't just riding a gravy train.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
Howard and Chris were two of four board members who approved of stealing the player money in order to keep the company afloat.
Even more offensive, Full Tilt was still giving out profit distributions to owners (despite there no longer being profit) while they were stealing player money.
If the government didn't bust them in April 2011, the scam would have just continued longer, and would have been for even more money.
They only cared about having enough player funds to process expected cashouts, rather than having all player money on hand.
No matter which way you try to spin it, it's clear that Howard and Chris were stealing player money, which was not theirs to touch.
You're correct that neither believe they did anything wrong. They have talked themselves into believing that they were simply borrowing from player funds after various unexpected things occurred which depleted Full Tilt's operating funds. They figured that their choice was to either "borrow" this money or shut the site down, so they chose to "borrow" it, and then things just didn't go as planned.
But that's bullshit. You can't give yourself loans by stealing from other people (even if you think you intend to repay). If you have depleted company funds, you need to either sell the company or get investments/loans from third parties in order to keep operating. Stealing other people's money is never an option.
The problem is that Howard and Chris saw player money as "theirs" just because they were holding it for us.
Sidedish, let's say you were staying in my room during WSOP. Let's say that I chunked off my life savings during that time, and needed $10k to enter the Main. Rather than seeking a stake to get in, I simply open up the room safe and steal your $10k, figuring that I will give you that $10k back if I end up cashing.
Would you be cool with that?
NO I WOULD KILL U, BUT THANKS FOR THE OFFER, ROOMS ARE TERRIBLE DURING THE COLLOSUS WKND
but I'm saying if the govt didn't screw us, it may have worked out for everybody with nobody the wiser
Howard & Chris were negligent in not covering their ass but their plan may have been to make sure all was right until the government screwed them with a bs ban. I mean really, do either of the 2 have a long history of doing scummy things? Sometimes a guy can make an honest mistake and get unlucky. Were talking about guys who have been doing nothing but play poker for a cpl decades and all of a sudden they are in charge of a large company? They probly got talked into it by that shithead bitar who was supposed to be the expert
They may have been talked into it by Bitar, but both are smart enough to know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedishQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
NO I WOULD KILL U, BUT THANKS FOR THE OFFER, ROOMS ARE TERRIBLE DURING THE COLLOSUS WKND
but I'm saying if the govt didn't screw us, it may have worked out for everybody with nobody the wiser
Howard & Chris were negligent in not covering their ass but their plan may have been to make sure all was right until the government screwed them with a bs ban. I mean really, do either of the 2 have a long history of doing scummy things? Sometimes a guy can make an honest mistake and get unlucky. Were talking about guys who have been doing nothing but play poker for a cpl decades and all of a sudden they are in charge of a large company? They probly got talked into it by that shithead bitar who was supposed to be the expert
A mistake of this magnitude simply can't be forgiven. Even if they don't think they were stealing, they stole. And the reality is that we would have never gotten the money back if Pokerstars hadn't bought them -- something they couldn't have predicted (the Stars sale, that is).
Oh, and there are still some who never got paid back because of the government's stupid rules about paying back "affiliates" (even if people were wrongfully tagged as affiliates), and of course Chris and Howard aren't exactly opening up their deep wallets to pay these people back.
Oh, I tweeted about this, but wanted to elaborate.
Brian Rast won his second Poker Player's Championship bracelet, beating Justin Bonomo heads up.
There were 3 bracelet ceremonies yesterday, all done after the first level of the WSOP Main, which I was playing.
One was for Rast, and one of the others was OSA's crush Tony Dunst. Of the three bracelet recipients, only one made a speech, and that was Rast.
I have no problem with speeches at bracelet ceremonies, provided that they are both appropriate and of reasonable length.
For example, Ryan Laplante, an openly gay poker player, happened to win his bracelet on the night of the Orlando shooting. The next day, at the bracelet ceremony, he made a speech that he's proud to be an openly gay man, and referenced the tragedy in Orlando. Good speech, lasted fewer than 2 minutes, and was appropriate. The reaction to Ryan's speech was wholly positive.
Brian Rast, however, made a long, rambling speech which was essentially split into two parts.
Part 1 of Brian's speech was fine. He thanked his family and friends, praised his father for coming a long way to see all of his final tables, etc. Pretty standard stuff but clearly appropriate given the occasion.
However, then he suddenly transitioned into an odd political/social rant which had no place at a bracelet ceremony. He railed against "nationalism". He mentioned something about global warming, but it was hard to tell what point he was even trying to make. He went on and on about how we're all human beings above all else, need to treat each other like human beings, and a bunch of other New Age psychobabble. This dragged on and on and on.
I did not time it, but I estimate that Rast's speech went on for 5 minutes, while the 1700 people at the WSOP Main Event Day 1B were chomping at the bit to start playing again, stuck there as a captive audience to Rast's droning rambles.
Keep in mind that I have no problem with Rast, and have generally heard good things about him, but boy was that speech cringeworthy.
Everyone at the event kind of just sat there dumbfounded, quietly and impatiently waiting for it to just be over.
At the very least, the WSOP should inform those wanting to make speeches that there needs to be a time limit (2 minutes?), since people are waiting to get their tournaments restarted.
In general, I do not like political speeches as part of awards ceremonies, especially poker ceremonies.
Oh, and entertaining Bonomo story from yesterday.
He was at the next table over.
Of course he was luckboxing into a lot of chips, where I watched some rec shove all of his chips into Bonomo's nut hand. Must be nice.
Anyway, that's not the point. I noticed midway through the day, Bonomo was standing the entire time. He even stood while playing hands.
Finally, some player cried foul, insisting that he could see their cards when playing while standing.
The floor was called over, and they insisted that he sit during hands he plays (along with when cards are being dealt).
Bonomo kept saying "but my back hurts" and the floorman responded, "We already offered to give you a second chair to elevate you higher, and you refused. You can't do this."
Bonomo kept insisting he needed to stand the entire time, but the floorman refused, saying, "I can't allow this. It just feels weird to have someone at the table always standing."
I am not sure which players objected. I know that Bruno Fitoussi was at his table, and was doing very poorly, so perhaps he was in a bad mood and finally raised the issue. I don't know. All I know is that the floor was called over because at least one person objected.
I don't necessarily think that Bonomo was using this as some kind of angle, but who knows. All I can say is that I agree with the floorman. If your back isn't healthy enough to at least sit while you have cards (or are getting dealt cards), then you always have the option not to play.
What Brian Rast really meant to say is fuck you Howard Lederer and Chris Ferguson in his bracelet ceremony speech.
Here is something possibly against TOS for WSOP where they favor a player who has great results but probably isn't known mainstream.
HOURS into the WSOP yesterday Chance Kornuth tries tweeting that he doesn't want to play this day and he wants his stack picked up by WSOPTD etc... and is tweeting @kevmath and some others who work for WSOP.
He says he would like to play today instead. Many people tell him the rule is if you get picked up you can get reenter the same tournament( But I believe they do refund you once for this)
Kornuth tweets today about how his day is going so far. I tweeted at him "so they didn't force you to play yesterday " He says nope.
Bunch of people believe this is a rules violation because his stack was just blinded off for hours yesterday and he had it picked up and then got to reenter today.
Maybe someone knows if this is not supposed to be allowed ? If it is not allowed then it is clear favoritism towards a player who is known on the circuit. I don't think they would do this for Mike Smith from Idaho.
https://twitter.com/ChancesCards/sta...30896711852032
https://twitter.com/ChancesCards/sta...97007194173441
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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Update on Jared Bleznick's weird ban-for-life followed by immediate unban: http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...ned-days-later
Oh, and I'm out of the Main.
I can get you an invite to the skats admin forum if you're ready for literally mwh posting pics of his wifes horrible cooking and sonatine just generally being super fat and weird looking
Stalling had become a big theme on twitter by pros during this ME, and of course expert staller Jordan Cristos is in the middle of it:
http://www.wsop.com/m/update/?postID...s-chris-jordanQuote:
Klodnicki eases into some gentle criticism of Cristos, but it begins to turn more confrontational by the end. "You gotta do us a favor," Klodnicki begins, asking Cristos to speed up his preflop decisions. "You take 15 seconds every single time," he says.
"I get 15 seconds in a $50 online tournament," Cristos says. "This is the Main Event."
"I'm just saying," Klodnicki says. "You have to speed up your preflop actions. Otherwise, when you're in a big hand and you actually do need to think, I'm going to clock you after 15 seconds."
The two continue to pass the conversation back and forth as the next hand is dealt out. It comes to Cristos, and he pauses briefly after checking his cards. Klodnicki is clearly uncomfortable as he watches Cristos operate, and he bites his tongue for just a few seconds before he can't help it anymore. "Clock," he says after maybe 15 seconds.
The floor is called over, and things begin to escalate a bit. The floorman tells Cristos that it's the second time he's been called for the same issue today. "If I have to keep coming over here, you're going to keep having your clock reduced, all the way down to zero. And then when I have to come over again, your hand is just dead."
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Sorry to hear, Druff.
Inebriated Player Gets Booted from $1.1k Little One for One Drop
http://www.pokerlistings.com/inebria...one-drop-12975Quote:
A player in the $1.1k Little One for One Drop, who claimed to be named Cory A. Cunningham, got belligerent and had to be escorted off the tournament floor by security Thursday night.
Cunningham was eventually disqualified from the tournament but received his buy-in back.
The incident began after Cunningham and an opponent at his table had been sparring back and forth. There was a disagreement over spending too much time in a hand, which led to Cunningham yelling “Time! Time! Time!”
Security Called to the Floor
Tournament director Jack Effel tried to reason with Cunningham but he got progressively more aggressive as time went on.
By this point a crowd had gathered around Cunningham’s table and action grinded to a halt in the tournament. Security was called to the table. Cunningham screamed at security to “get the f*** away.”
Cunningham was yelling at the dealer to show him what his opponent had but she put the cards into the muck.
Eventually Cunningham had to be physically dragged away from the table by a couple players while security assisted.
I also had a friend 86'd from the Rio last summer after having a few too many bourbons and telling a TD to "fuck off" drunkenly while serving a penalty for swearing in a $285 Deep Stack (he did get his money back, as this player did after Effel showed some rare leniency). They have a quick banhammer for stuff like that over there.
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Originally Posted by Suicide King
What a terribad fold. Like WOW.
story on the quads fold
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/20619-poker-pro-folds-quads-to-all-in-bet-in-main-event
How far into the tournament was this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzmoney
Surprised he got his money BACK, but perhaps the $111k buyin would have been a PR nightmare for Caesars (and the One Drop charity) if he made a big deal over it, so they just kicked it back.
I bet they wouldn't have refunded him if this happened at a $1500 event.
I can't imagine folding quads.
There's no way that's possibly justified.
this was the little one, only $1100 buy in...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffHow far into the tournament was this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzmoney
Surprised he got his money BACK, but perhaps the $111k buyin would have been a PR nightmare for Caesars (and the One Drop charity) if he made a big deal over it, so they just kicked it back.
I bet they wouldn't have refunded him if this happened at a $1500 event.
So I take a bad beat in the second to last level of the night losing 70% of my stack in a wsop event, order a bunch of shots, beers, etc. and start acting belligerent a little while before it's time to go to get a full refund.
Seems fair!
Here's the guy who got kicked out of the Little One Drop event:
http://edge1.pokerlistings.com/asset...m_IMG_5701.jpg
dance monkey, danceQuote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
antonio is such a douche
i hope he at least escrowed
Did you read the article? I thought it ridic until fillowing his reasoning about the betting pattern, table read, and that this was in the Main Event. Because, as he said, he would have made that call in a cash game or other tourney. And afterward, the reaction of his opponent when he folded strongly supports it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Mind you, I would have auto-donkey called. But that's why I'm not a pro mostly-NLHE player like Bowker, with or without lifetime tourney winnings of over $2.8m to date.
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=51645
Even great players make mistakes, and that fold was a mistake. Kwob is just another tourney donk these days, prolly glad to finally have his name in a poker headline.
Mumbles, didnt you say in a post that you were overweight? A little or like the rentacop on the right in this pic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff