ProfessionalRakeback.com is a SCAM, and they are promoting a SCAM poker site named Full Flush Poker

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

Game Protect:

Intent is necessary to prove fraud. Yet you come up with the most bizarre rationalization that if something already happened, intent is no longer necessary.

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Yes, as it is not possible to unintentionally embezzle player deposits.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

Intent simply means that the person's purpose was to steal from people rather than just having made ignorant business decisions.

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No. Intent covers all areas within the criminal law.

Despite of this, How Quaint/ kahntrutahn did not intent to steal from people. He intent to promote a scam to get commissions.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

In the law that you quote both (a) and (b) are necessary, not (a) or (b).

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According to your "logic", if someone already cheated people in the height of US $ million, but do not intent to cheat further, then he did not breach the Fraud Act, right?

Please describe how managers and employees of an online gaming company can unintentionally embezzle player funds and make false and misleading statements about the financial status and withdrawal time frames?

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

Bank robbery and fraud are 2 completely different types of crimes. Fraud by its nature is deceptive. The necessity of proving intent in an overt crime plays a much smaller role that the necessity of proving intent in crimes based on schemes. You should already know that.

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If someone knows that the company he promotes embezzled player funds, he can not unintentionally promote this company. Therefore, you have to prove that he knew that the company he promotes breached criminal laws.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

What I've said about fraud has been based on the Fraud Act which you early on in this thread stated was the basis for your case before then quietly deleting that statement. Then you went on and on about Roman law which has nothing to do with the UK's Fraud Act. Now you're back to the Fraud Act. You're just all over the place.

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You have stated that the US law and European law are similar and I informed you that most European countries uses Roman law and that I doubt that the US uses Roman law as well. This statement was not in relation to the UK Fraud Act. You mix everything!

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

I just don't know who you are trying to fool. We all know that a group of players successfully suing a site that has run off with money would be a big news item . Yet you try to tell us that it's something that you commonly do as a perk of your affiliate program. If you actually did what It already hyou claim that you do, we would have heard about it by now.

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It already happened! You should improve your knowledge base. Maybe Bing is a better choice.

Please explain why it was not publicised, even though a big news item?

Game Protect:

At this point it would behoove you to simply stop embarrassing yourself with your silly posts. Why don't you have your lawyer write them for you?

Embezzlement and cheating people is something that you need to go into a court to prove. It's not something you can present to a court as a given. Is your lawyer on vacation? If so, you really need to talk to him when he gets back.

And no, intent obviously isn't anywhere near to being equally important in all crimes. When someone robs a bank, all a court needs to know is that he robbed the bank; intent is pretty much irrelevant. Whereas when a business doesn't pay customers, the business' intent is hugely important in determining whether a crime even took place.

So please stop embarrassing yourself with your smoke and mirrors and start answering some of the fundamental questions that have been asked of you.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

Embezzlement and cheating people is something that you need to go into a court to prove. It's not something you can present to a court as a given. Is your lawyer on vacation? If so, you really need to talk to him when he gets back.

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Who said it is something you can present to a court as a given? You? Game Protect for sure not:

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Lawyer and civil court proceeding, in case you have a valid claim and we can not reach a resolution

http://game-protect.com

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

And no, intent obviously isn't anywhere near to being equally important in all crimes. When someone robs a bank, all a court needs to know is that he robbed the bank; intent is pretty much irrelevant.

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Who said it is equally important? You? I for sure not!

You said that intent simply means that the person's purpose was to steal from people and I informed you (even though senseless) that intent covers all areas within the criminal law and is not limited to steal from people:

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

Intent simply means that the person's purpose was to steal from people rather than just having made ignorant business decisions.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

Whereas when a business doesn't pay customers, the business' intent is hugely important in determining whether a crime even took place.

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Please explain how a business can unintentionally embezzle player funds or can unintentionally make false and misleading statements about their financial status and withdrawal time frames? For you as an google intention expert, this should be no problem at all!

I asked you a lot of questions you did not respond/explain, because you are not able to explain your bullshit! Before you continue to state mountains of bullshit and gibberish, I higly recommend to first learn how to read.

Game Protect:

It's pretty funny when a non-native English speaker continuously tells a native English speaker with a journalism degree that he needs to learn how to read. But It's pretty sad to think that your chaotic posts probably reflects the chaos in your head.

I've explained the same things to you over and over again; and I've asked you to reply to basic questions. But you just keep coming back with nonsensical replies that seem to be written by a dishonest child. I think that it's pretty clear by now that something is rotten in Bucharest.

Okay, time to cut through the GameProtect BS and get back on topic.

In the coming weeks, I am going to take action against Full Flush.

These actions will include, but not be limited to:

- Tracking down ownership/management of other Equity skins such as Heritage, and warn them that they are essentially being freerolled. I think that Full Flush, with a lot of pro players, is probably the "winningest" skin, meaning that they RECEIVE money from the other skins (as well as the rake generated by them), rather than send money. This is why we aren't hearing complaints from other skins that they're not getting paid -- because they're not owed anything! But it's high time they know exactly what's going on.

- Buying up various .com domains and SEOing them to report that Full Flush Poker is a scam, as well as Professional Rakeback being a scam. Time to get the word out.

- Reporting the site and all known individual conspirators to US federal authorities. Not sure if they will be interested, but it can't hurt.

- Other actions I cannot discuss out here at this time.

Obviously they will never pay anyone, other than sending a trickle of small Moneygram payments out each month.

Time to shut this bitch down for good.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Okay, time to cut through the GameProtect BS and get back on topic.

In the coming weeks, I am going to take action against Full Flush.

These actions will include, but not be limited to:

- Tracking down ownership/management of other Equity skins such as Heritage, and warn them that they are essentially being freerolled. I think that Full Flush, with a lot of pro players, is probably the "winningest" skin, meaning that they RECEIVE money from the other skins (as well as the rake generated by them), rather than send money. This is why we aren't hearing complaints from other skins that they're not getting paid -- because they're not owed anything! But it's high time they know exactly what's going on.

- Buying up various .com domains and SEOing them to report that Full Flush Poker is a scam, as well as Professional Rakeback being a scam. Time to get the word out.

- Reporting the site and all known individual conspirators to US federal authorities. Not sure if they will be interested, but it can't hurt.

- Other actions I cannot discuss out here at this time.

Obviously they will never pay anyone, other than sending a trickle of small Moneygram payments out each month.

Time to shut this bitch down for good.

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i agree 100% with this. I'll write up a page and use my favorite free hosting site, and buy a .99 domain. fuck this clown

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Okay, time to cut through the GameProtect BS and get back on topic.

In the coming weeks, I am going to take action against Full Flush.

These actions will include, but not be limited to:

- Tracking down ownership/management of other Equity skins such as Heritage, and warn them that they are essentially being freerolled. I think that Full Flush, with a lot of pro players, is probably the "winningest" skin, meaning that they RECEIVE money from the other skins (as well as the rake generated by them), rather than send money. This is why we aren't hearing complaints from other skins that they're not getting paid -- because they're not owed anything! But it's high time they know exactly what's going on.

- Buying up various .com domains and SEOing them to report that Full Flush Poker is a scam, as well as Professional Rakeback being a scam. Time to get the word out.

- Reporting the site and all known individual conspirators to US federal authorities. Not sure if they will be interested, but it can't hurt.

- Other actions I cannot discuss out here at this time.

Obviously they will never pay anyone, other than sending a trickle of small Moneygram payments out each month.

Time to shut this bitch down for good.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Okay, time to cut through the GameProtect BS and get back on topic.

In the coming weeks, I am going to take action against Full Flush.

These actions will include, but not be limited to:

- Tracking down ownership/management of other Equity skins such as Heritage, and warn them that they are essentially being freerolled. I think that Full Flush, with a lot of pro players, is probably the "winningest" skin, meaning that they RECEIVE money from the other skins (as well as the rake generated by them), rather than send money. This is why we aren't hearing complaints from other skins that they're not getting paid -- because they're not owed anything! But it's high time they know exactly what's going on.

- Buying up various .com domains and SEOing them to report that Full Flush Poker is a scam, as well as Professional Rakeback being a scam. Time to get the word out.

- Reporting the site and all known individual conspirators to US federal authorities. Not sure if they will be interested, but it can't hurt.

- Other actions I cannot discuss out here at this time.

Obviously they will never pay anyone, other than sending a trickle of small Moneygram payments out each month.

Time to shut this bitch down for good.

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Looking forward to this!!

Full Flush now promoting an "Aruba Package" for a tournament there in November:

http://www.fullflushpoker.com/tourna...r-in-paradise/

Odds that anyone actually receives this package:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V3CfD8TPac

I asked Jonathan Brown for comment via Skype, and of course he ignored me.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Full Flush now promoting an "Aruba Package" for a tournament there in November:

http://www.fullflushpoker.com/tourna...r-in-paradise/

Odds that anyone actually receives this package:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V3CfD8TPac

I asked Jonathan Brown for comment via Skype, and of course he ignored me.

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I just finished a tourney there.. still have all sorts of bonuses and gems and tickets and cash back from the last $100 I deposited there some months ago..

Not much over 5$ entry is running and I'm talking mtts, lol..

I really liked this site. It was so rec friendly. Would love to join interchange. Maybe they will start accepting new York one could hope.. no chance a legit site like party or 888 will come.. I so want to leave acr and grand...

Will miss u full flush..

Bump?

Here is some other shady stuff from Kahtrutahn:

* He mentions his site under a list entitled "the larger rakeback sites, and hence most reputable, are:" on Poker.Wikia.com. In fact, he includes numerous links to his site on that website since he was granted a moderator role. There are probably 100 links to his site on that Wikia + there is a Full Flush Poker page on that site that has a more than favorable review.

* He wrote fake reviews for his own site here: https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/p...alrakeback.com

kahntrutahn ==== fucking tranny

Full Flush Poker got kicked from the gaming server park in Curacao! What a pitty.... :)

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Originally Posted by Game Protect

Full Flush Poker got kicked from the gaming server park in Curacao! What a pitty.... :)

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So it's down now, right?

I went to fullflushpoker.com and got a LOL error message with some phone number.

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Originally Posted by Game Protect

Full Flush Poker got kicked from the gaming server park in Curacao! What a pitty.... :)

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So what does this mean on the grand scheme of things?

There is only one possible reason that the sagacious curaco licensing outfit boots a client or poker site and it is not because it doesn't pay its players. Curaco kept licensing lock up until the day lock stopped paying curacos licensing fees , then lock got a swift kick in the ass. Im guessing that is the same fate that befell Full Flush.

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Originally Posted by Game Protect

Full Flush Poker got kicked from the gaming server park in Curacao! What a pitty.... :)

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So what does this mean on the grand scheme of things?

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A license provider take things serious only if he has to fear consequenses for his criminal behaviour. So this is a good sign for those who joined the litigation proceeding.

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Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO

There is only one possible reason that the sagacious curaco licensing outfit boots a client or poker site and it is not because it doesn't pay its players. Curaco kept licensing lock up until the day lock stopped paying curacos licensing fees , then lock got a swift kick in the ass. Im guessing that is the same fate that befell Full Flush.

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No idea what you want to achieve with your false and misleading statement, but I know that you do not know that Lock got kicked because they did not pay the licensing fee!

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Originally Posted by TicallionHmmm

So what does this mean on the grand scheme of things?

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A license provider take things serious only if he has to fear consequenses for his criminal behaviour. So this is a good sign for those who joined the litigation proceeding.

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Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO

There is only one possible reason that the sagacious curaco licensing outfit boots a client or poker site and it is not because it doesn't pay its players. Curaco kept licensing lock up until the day lock stopped paying curacos licensing fees , then lock got a swift kick in the ass. Im guessing that is the same fate that befell Full Flush.

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No idea what you want to achieve with your false and misleading statement, but I know that you do not know that Lock got kicked because they did not pay the licensing fee!

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WRONG! It was listed in sevral poker news outlets that lock got the boot after missing payment. You obviously don't know that licensing sites like the curacos will license anyone as long as they pay their licensing fees. You are ill informed if you believe that curaco takes equitys behavior seriously as well as delusional. Your litigation proceedings against a poker site that doesn't pay its players is akin to pissing into the wind. This game protect numb nuts sounds like the guy that was crusading against lock in this forum and claiming he would win his lawsuits against lock pros. There is nothing that was ever done to a site that didn't pay its players so don't waste peoples time.

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Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO

WRONG! It was listed in sevral poker news outlets that lock got the boot after missing payment.

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Who told them that Lock got the boot after missing payment and where is the proof of their statement?

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Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO

You obviously don't know that licensing sites like the curacos will license anyone as long as they pay their licensing fees.

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No. Thank you for the info.

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Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO

You are ill informed if you believe that curaco takes equitys behavior seriously as well as delusional.

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I can of course not withhold with experts like you or SantaCruz, but if Full Flush got booted because of not paying the license fee and wanted to continue (like they say), then they would have already something else, wouldn't they?

But as everyone could see, they were booted unexpected and server and website is down and they had to provisionally create a wordpress site to say hello. :)

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Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO

Your litigation proceedings against a poker site that doesn't pay its players is akin to pissing into the wind.

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Based on what?

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Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO

This game protect numb nuts sounds like the guy that was crusading against lock in this forum and claiming he would win his lawsuits against lock pros.

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Game Protect do not claim to win lawsuits, a read on the website might be recommendable.

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Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO

There is nothing that was ever done to a site that didn't pay its players so don't waste peoples time.

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Your false and misleading statement is not in accordance with the info I have ;)

OK, so what has been done to punish any site that ripped off the people that played there?

edited to add, keeping pokerstars and full tilt out of this conversation obv

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Originally Posted by nunbeater

OK, so what has been done to punish any site that ripped off the people that played there?

edited to add, keeping pokerstars and full tilt out of this conversation obv

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https://game-protect.com/full-flush-litigation-offer/

https://game-protect.com/lock-poker-business-plan/

UPDATE October 26, 2016

You can join the Full Flush litigation proceeding even if you have no proof of the full amount owed. But you need at least any kind of proof that they owe you money. If you have no screenshot or email conversation, you can also add the deposit(s) you made. You can find them in the transaction history of your payment service provider (PSP). You can also request your transactions from your PSP and this for the past 5 years.

Background

The Curacao license requirements say that as a minimum, player information, game logic and financial transactions, must be operated on computer hardware situated within the Curacao e-zone. The gaming server provider of course make a daily backup of the data. So even if you have no proof of your total account balance, your data should be on the daily backups.

But there are 2 possible problems:

1) They will deliver manipulated data

2) Full Flush and or server provider will say that they can not find the data/daily server backups

From a juridical point of view: If they "lost" the data (they are required to store by law), then this is their fault and they are liable for the damage.

So even if you have no proof about how much is owed, you could still get your money.

However, such a case never happened before and no one knows how this will be handled in Curacao.

GP your like a bad rash that wont go away.. You are officially the Herpes of PFA.. We never know where you're going to pop up as its just random and there seems to be no cure for your appearance. Your the gift that just keeps on giving and never goes away and nobody really is excited when you show up.

For everyone bashing Game Protect, what is the basis of your opposition to them? I'm one of the players who had significant money on FFP, and am considering signing up for the GP Litigation. Why shouldn't I? Do I have anything to lose?

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Originally Posted by madmansam

For everyone bashing Game Protect, what is the basis of your opposition to them? I'm one of the players who had significant money on FFP, and am considering signing up for the GP Litigation. Why shouldn't I? Do I have anything to lose?

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Game Protect is selling snake oil.

He's an affiliate trying to drum up business by promising players reimbursement from companies that are broke. He's charging yearly fees or requiring players to sign on to his affiliated sites to receive his protection even though his protection is just an illusion.

I think that one of GP's most obvious hypocrisies is his over the top criticism of IHasTehNutz on his (GP's) web site. He writes about IHasTehNutz in a childishly abusive way in one of his blogs. And he did this because IHasTehNutz told players to be wary of Game Protect in a 2+2 post after GP recently tried to get players to sign up to get their money back from the nonexistent Lock Poker.

When Lock Poker was still running and still taking on new players no one really knew the extent to which Lock was stiffing its winning players. So Lock Poker remained in business. IHasTehNutz kept careful track of the known cashouts to show statistically that Lock wasn't paying its players. Before he did that, there was a lot of wishful thinking that kept people depositing their money on Lock. It was IHasTehNutz statistics that was used on the myriad of news services which in turn enlightened the public as to the dangers of depositing on Lock.

IHasTehNutz actually did protect players through hard work with no financial benefit to himself. He prevented a lot of people from losing their money by depositing on that site. If Game Protect's real interest was to protect players he'd have the maturity to respect IHasTehNutz for his accomplishment rather than ridicule him simply because Game Protect felt slighted. Game Protect can't even recognize a person protecting players when he sees one.

Game Protect is really just an obsessive, self-deluded, thin-skinned affiliate whose many juvenile and often nonsensical posts on this forum and others belies an individual who should be the last person players should pin their hopes on.

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Originally Posted by madmansam

For everyone bashing Game Protect, what is the basis of your opposition to them? I'm one of the players who had significant money on FFP, and am considering signing up for the GP Litigation. Why shouldn't I? Do I have anything to lose?

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Game Protect is selling snake oil.

He's an affiliate trying to drum up business by promising players reimbursement from companies that are broke.

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1) I never promised reimbursement

2) Game Protect promise dispute resolution and legal action for qualified accounts

3) Even not qualified accounts can join legal action based on a percentage.

4) a) You for sure do not know how much money the operator/owner has, you even do not know who the operator/owner is

b) In criminal cases it does not play much a role if the company is broke or not, because the operator/owner is liable with his private property

c) In the case of Curacao, it does not play much a role if the operator/owner is broke, because there are as well other parties liable

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

He's charging yearly fees or requiring players to sign on to his affiliated sites to receive his protection even though his protection is just an illusion.

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Legal action in regards to international online gaming is indeed very time-consuming and expensive and therefore requires that people contribute a little bit:

a) Euro 27 for 3 months or

b) Sign up thru our affiliate links cost free

Here are examples of "your" illusion:

1) Lock Poker

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Lawyer

I am in the process of drafting the complaint for a case against licensor Curacao eGaming and management of the Company. The community can help me by sending me all kind of proof to show fraudulent intent by owners. I have someone in the office helping me out.

Please send all relevant information only to Law firm

Bear in mind that printouts from community/forums may help to present the case but probably do not qualify as hard proof. I need money/payment transfers (incl. Western Union/Checks) that were beyond knowledge and reach of local management, proof of winnings without payout, e-mail correspondence with Lockpoker/Lockcasino etc. Furthermore anything that qualifies as sound proof against the owners/Company.

I need to show how much money was going in/out to assess the turnover they made.

I could use some more players with claims but want to avoid being buried in claims since I cannot assess all of that right now and have limited resources to do the case and have a lot of other cases to attend to.

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2) Full Flush Poker

If you have interest to participate in our Full Flush litigation 70:30 offer, please send the following info to Law firm using as reference: Full Flush litigation

a) Your full name

b) Full Flush Poker user name

c) Total amount owed

d) Date of the last payment

e) Proof of the money owed and pending withdrawal request(s) in form of screenshots or email conversation(s)

f) I (…your full name…) agree that law firm vdlaarschot.com will take 30% and I will get 70% of any amount you are able to collect.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

I think that one of GP's most obvious hypocrisies is his over the top criticism of IHasTehNutz on his (GP's) web site. He writes about IHasTehNutz in a childishly abusive way in one of his blogs. And he did this because IHasTehNutz told players to be wary of Game Protect in a 2+2 post after GP recently tried to get players to sign up to get their money back from the nonexistent Lock Poker.

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There is a misunderstood on your part! It is not required to sign up thru our affiliate links or pay Euro 27 for 3 months to join the Lock Poker legal action. To join the Lock Poker legal action, you have simply to send the required information.

IHasTheNutz said that Game Protect is a scam because we have affiliate links. This is double absurd, because he himself worked for an affiliate! Lol

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

When Lock Poker was still running and still taking on new players no one really knew the extent to which Lock was stiffing its winning players.

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a) Everyone who is able to read (I know you are not), could read in the forums that xy people were waiting xy months for a withdrawal.

b) The Lock Poker selling rate was also an indication about what was going on

c) In addition, there were also payout rating reports.

d) Finally, reports about Lock's shady behaviour

a) to d) was more than sufficient to see what was going on at Lock

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

So Lock Poker remained in business.

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Even after IHasTehNutz was finished with his payout report in December 2014, Lock Poker remained in business. Therefore, I can not see the relation between "IHasTehNutz payout report" and "Lock Poker remained in business"

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

IHasTehNutz kept careful track of the known cashouts to show statistically that Lock wasn't paying its players. Before he did that, there was a lot of wishful thinking that kept people depositing their money on Lock. It was IHasTehNutz statistics that was used on the myriad of news services which in turn enlightened the public as to the dangers of depositing on Lock.

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Now it would be great to know the meaning of statistically?

If you have no proof, you have no known cashouts. If you have no known cashouts, you have no track. If you have no track, you have no statistic! It is a simple as that... :)

As I have already stated above, before IHasTehNutz started to create his faked pending withdrawals report, there was already sufficient info available about what was going on.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

IHasTehNutz actually did protect players through hard work with no financial benefit to himself.

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So everyone did receive his balance meanwhile, based on IHasTehNutz's hard work? This would explain why it is so quiet now in his pending withdrawal report thread, even though victims can now claim their money. But if they already received it, they of course can not claim it again.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

He prevented a lot of people from losing their money by depositing on that site.

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I assume he prevented a lot of people to claim their money, because they have no proof of their claim, because he did not ask for or advised people to collect proof of their claim.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

If Game Protect's real interest was to protect players he'd have the maturity to respect IHasTehNutz for his accomplishment rather than ridicule him simply because Game Protect felt slighted.

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Do not collect and or advise players to store proof of their claim, which is required for legal action, is exactly the way to not protect players!

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

Game Protect can't even recognize a person protecting players when he sees one.

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People who try to protect players and or enforce their rights, get attacked and or banned on 2+2! This alone confirms that IHasTehNutz never protected anyone and his faked report was a show to draw attention to 2+2.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

Game Protect is really just an obsessive, self-deluded, thin-skinned affiliate whose many juvenile and often nonsensical posts on this forum and others belies an individual who should be the last person players should pin their hopes on.

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Agreed. According to the brain wash theory, if players want to receive what is owed, they must of course pin their hopes on legal experts like IHasTehNutz or alternatively on the ton of other bla bla experts in the forums!

I don't want any more Game Protect nonsense in this thread.

I deleted 14 junk messages from this thread related to the whole thing.

I left a few up which are most relevant to both sides of the argument.

I do not want any more of the following in this thread:

- Game Protect promoting his service or giving "updates" of the situation, unless actual money has been recovered and he can prove it

- People bashing Game Protect


Let's get back on topic, namely that Professional Rakeback is a SCAM operation and that owner Jonathan Brown is a scumbag who is a willing accomplice to scam sites.

OK, back to Full Flush and Kahn.

It's only my theory but I do believe that I understand exactly why Full Flush closed and why Kahn's sudden disappearance from the web last July is directly linked to that closure.

It's pretty well known that Full Flush didn't own the software that it used, it was leased from a separate company. The Chico Network also leased that same software.

On July 18 Chico stopped using that software and upgraded to a new client. There really isn't any way in the world that the software company could have stayed in business with just Full Flush's patronage. Chico's departure was the death knoll for Full Flush. It may very well be true that Full Flush is scrambling to find new software that it can use, but finding a new client isn't all that easy. So it's probably not looking good for Full Flush.

Kahn disappeared from 2+2 on July 27 just a week and a half after Chico introduced their new software. Since then, a lot of people who have tried to contact him haven't gotten responses either. I think that Kahn knew at that point in time that Full Flush was driving into a brick wall with the immanent loss of its client; but rather that warn players, he simply stuck his head in the sand. He continued to strongly advertise Full Flush on his site and I would guess that he continued to accept deposits from new players.

I think that Kahn read the above post that I wrote yesterday (or was contacted by someone asking questions) because today he wrote several posts on 2+2; which is more posts than I remember him ever writing in a single day. But he provided no useful information about Full Flush and no explanation as to his over 3 month disappearance. I'm certain that he knew last July that Full Flush was about to collapse but he kept quiet.

He also took down the Equity advertising in only the last day or so. I've been going on to his site every couple of days to keep track of that.

It's funny how when he was hawking the site, he wrote as if he had a direct line to management but now that the site is down he acts like he's just another poster.

2+2 cooperate with criminals!

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kahntrutahn on 2+2 November 9, 2016

For the record, I do not own any part of Full Flush Poker, Equity Poker Network, or any other gambling site.

Also, if Full Flush Poker goes down, I stand to lose quite a bit of money.

This has not been my first bad choice in a poker site. In 2006/2007, myself and our players lost quite a lot of money on PokesPoker (some of you old timers may remember them, they were a FutureBet related company, who, incidentally, are a number of the people behind Amaya nowadays, but I digress). When that happened, I paid $37,000 worth of unpaid rakeback out of my own pocket to players. If Full Flush Poker fails to return, our players will be compensated somehow.

At this point in time, I have nothing worth note to share with regard to FFP or EPN's future plans. With regard to what happened, we've already published a short read on it, and myself plus at least three other poker journalists/investigative reporters have been looking into the debacle and I'm sure sooner or later some of those details will be published, if not on the website I work for, then on another competing site.

I'm still hoping for the best.

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Lawyer will start petition for bankruptcy against Equity Marketing Management B.V. beginning of March and pay the costs, so everyone can join cost free!

The scam is back! From fullflushpoker.com website:

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Full Flush Poker and the Equity Poker Network closed operations as of October 2016. Players with unrecoverable funds should continue reading below.

We are the new owners of the domain FullFlushPoker.com – purchased via auction. We are NOT associated with the prior owners. We do NOT have your money. We are NOT liable for the debts of the prior owners of this website.

The Equity Poker Network has gone out of business. Full Flush Poker, the flagship skin owned and operated by the Equity Poker Network, has also gone out of business. The owners have ceased returning calls, instant messages and emails. Sources tell us that they have relocated from the countries in which they were operating, and a number of parties were financially injured as a result of this company closure. Player balances were left outstanding, software vendors were left unpaid, marketing affiliates were stiffed, and employees (participants of the Full Flush Poker scam) in the Costa Rican offices did not receive weeks worth of pay.

There is a supposedly pending lawsuit, though no evidence of this litigation has been publicly released, it very well may be a scam. Even if it is legitimate, we do not feel that the attorney, even if the litigation succeeds, will be able to recover any funds. Here is a good explanation as to why it would be likely to fail. Furthermore, the lawsuit and the people promoting it are unknown and unproven. Thus, we do not recommend players to provide personal information to these parties or to send any money upfront as they have requested. To be clear, we are not associated with, nor do we endorse, these parties.

A group of concerned affiliates and poker sites have come together in an attempt to help victims of the Equity Poker Network and Full Flush Poker business failure. Our goal is to provide a means by which players might recover their lost balances. While we finish working out the details of this program, we are asking players who suffered financial harm to contact us and provide information regarding the extent of their losses. Players need not provide any personally identifying information when submitting a claim.

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Any idea what the sense of this action is?

If they want to avoid the litigation proceeding, they are too late to the party, as around 20 claimants already sent their data and bankruptcy proceeding is in process.

Why would other poker sites concerned about the Full Flush Poker scam?

Did this end up getting resolved?

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Originally Posted by SetofKs

Did this end up getting resolved?

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It got resolved in that no one got their money, and Jon Brown of professionalrakeback.com bought (or got control of) the fullflushpoker.com domain, which he then used to promote the other "safer" sites with which he had affiliate deals.

The guy has no shame.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by SetofKs

Did this end up getting resolved?

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It got resolved in that no one got their money, and Jon Brown of professionalrakeback.com bought (or got control of) the fullflushpoker.com domain, which he then used to promote the other "safer" sites with which he had affiliate deals.

The guy has no shame.

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Solid ass fucking Todd. You still got it.

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Originally Posted by SetofKs

Did this end up getting resolved?

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Yes, those who joined the proceeding will receive 70%.