I have yet to have a bad experience with Kaiser. Have you ever used Kaiser?
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I have yet to have a bad experience with Kaiser. Have you ever used Kaiser?
Yes, and it sucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionDave
I hate HMOs.
Though honestly I may have to revisit considering one because an HMO might be better at this point than this severely reduced list of doctors.
You are OK with this for routine stuff and simple procedures. The problem is if you get really ill its russian roulette with your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionDave
Read your ideas druff and seeing what I see everyday is that complete socialized medicine is the way to go. Eliminating the crooked insurance and drug companies as well as limits on malpractice claims will make everything better for the whole not just the few. I would like to hear more from the Canadians on this board their feelings. I have family in Canada and they never have to wait for emergency procedures and things like hip surgeries can be postponed in many circumstances. The bills my patients receive make them sicker than their illnesses. I don't think it will happen because of american greed.
Another problem with for profit health care is that the disabled get moved to medicare. So even if you have insurance through work, if something devastating happens, the insurance company can walk away because it's rigged to put disabled people onto government insurance. So health insurance companies get to collect the cash, and if the worst happens, they don't lose. SF Rigged.
Why would any Canadian or anybody else with a version of socialized medicare chime in? All we keep getting told is how bad things are by people who don't live here because they read some propaganda from someone with a political agenda in the states.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
All you have to know is that a few years ago there was a big campaign to nominate & name the "Greatest Canadian" ever & a guy by the name of Tommy Douglas won in a fucking landslide.
Please explain. They are well qualified doctors as far as I see. I'm not sure I understand how doctors at Kaiser are "worse" than other doctors. My wife had an emergency surgery and they did a fantastic job.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthisYou are OK with this for routine stuff and simple procedures. The problem is if you get really ill its russian roulette with your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionDave
And they have great facilities (at least in Southern California where I'm at)
Some of the doctors at Kaiser are good. Others aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionDavePlease explain. They are well qualified doctors as far as I see. I'm not sure I understand how doctors at Kaiser are "worse" than other doctors. My wife had an emergency surgery and they did a fantastic job.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
And they have great facilities (at least in Southern California where I'm at)
BUT....
Kaiser's problem is that the provider and the one who pays the bills are the same. All doctors are pressured to keep costs down.
There have been many horror stories involving long waiting periods for approvals, denials of necessary procedures, and basic cheaping out in every variety.
So, yeah, if you need something major, the last thing you want is your doctor trying to cut corners because he'll get in trouble if he spends too much money treating you.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffSome of the doctors at Kaiser are good. Others aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionDave
BUT....
Kaiser's problem is that the provider and the one who pays the bills are the same. All doctors are pressured to keep costs down.
There have been many horror stories involving long waiting periods for approvals, denials of necessary procedures, and basic cheaping out in every variety.
So, yeah, if you need something major, the last thing you want is your doctor trying to cut corners because he'll get in trouble if he spends too much money treating you.
Druff,
We have had Aetna (HMO) for years through my employer. We have never had an issue with them. I do not know if there is a difference with Aetna (or other HMO PLAN) individual or group plans.
But I imagine it is worth a shot to you to check it out.
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Originally Posted by splitthis
Right! And in turn taking away any reason for those same companies to spend billions on research and development on life saving drugs and procedures which people around the world come to America to recieve to save their lives.... Sounds like a sound plan.
I keep hearing these covered california radio commercials with people saying how their rates have gone down. I don't know anyone that has had their rate go down. Who are these people?